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>there are people excited for this to use cartridges
What went wrong?
Disks are becoming obsolete is what went wrong.
It looks like a futuristic drawing of a vcr from the 80's
>>337284314
how long till games switch to encrypted USB sticks like movies are doing?
>NX will have flash carts
Can't wait
>>337284314
>disks are becoming obsolete is what went wrong.
Oh really and cartridges didn't?
>>337284013
With the complete drop in SSD prices why the hell not.
>>337284419
3DS games are already a proprietary version of that.
>>337284013
It's their handheld of course its going to use a cartridge. Joke is, when they announce it, /v/ will devolve into bashing thread.
>it just like the vita
>vita 2.1
>new 3ds buyers remorse should have waited for the NX.
>>337284559
>CD's/DVD's/HDD tons of load times
>NX very minimal to no load times
HMM. I WONDER.
>>337284559
If you think of like them SNES cartridges, yeah.
But we now have the technology to make "cartridges" that not only read in higher speeds than disks, but also store a lot more data, so I have no problems if it does end up using them.
>>337284678
It isn't just a handheld
There will be a console NX and a handheld NX that play the same games. Since the handheld has to use cartridges, the console must use them too
>>337284559
Cartridges never became obsolete, they only fell into disuse because of storage limitations. The tables have turned though, cartridges can potentially store many times more data than a Blu-ray disk. So unless we get an even bigger disk format that's also cheap to manufacture, carts are the way to go from here on out.
>>337284013
CDs are shit. They were used because they could do more but now tech has flipped back and shit like Vita and 3DS carts can do everything discs can.
If it isn't cart based then it'll be full digital. CD's are borderline zombie tech now.
>>337284678
>le NX is a handheld may may
They're not that retardedright?
>>337284836if you think of them like* fuck
>>337284559
>>337284314
>>337284013
This was a pretty good article about it.
Basically dude says that optical drives have a hard time keeping up with new CPU and GPUs so cartridges that are like 32gb so there's space for updates would be good, and no optical drive makes it smaller and you'd probably be able to switch out an HDD or something.
http://arstechnica.com/gaming/2016/05/why-nintendo-nxs-rumored-shift-from-discs-to-cartridges-is-actually-smart/
>>337284951
CDs are dying a slow death
>>337284956
3ds has been out long enough for a handheld replacement. They need something that can play miitomo. Plus why buy a small as fuck cart if you not going to make it portable.
>>337284559
They don't have disk rot, so no
>>337284559
I guess you keep your collection of games on a series of discs instead of an ssd
>>337285260
do Blu Rays have disc rot?
>>337285347
Yes, if they're produced poorly.
>>337285347
Yes
>>337284013
So, Cartridges get their glorious revenge.
>>337285002
That does sound interesting and a smart move on Nintendo's part.
How would this affect developers though?
If they can do away with all the games that require specific peripherals that only work on that particular game I'll be happy
If they bring back cartridges will it include awesome box art?
Great now I gotta blow into fucking cartridges again.
Thanks, Nintendo.
>>337285828
does awesome box art somehow not exist anymore
So if they really do use cartridges, would it be easier to pirate on?
Like those things they sell that are just a SNES cartridge with the guts replaced by a flashcart? Do you think it would be possible?
Like essentially an Everdrive for NX
>>337285837
Not necessarily.
These new-gen cartridges would be state of the art.
>>337285837
I licked discs to clean them before, so it's not going to change that much for me.
>>337285837
do you blow into your SD cards and USB drives every time you use them?
>>337286010
thats fucking gross m8
>>337285895
I dont know man I haven't seen any memorable box art on disked games.
>>337285691
it wouldn't, nintendo has always produced the physical games for their consoles
>>337285837
YOU USE A CARTRIDGE IN YOUR FUCKING PHONES YOU IDIOTS.
THEY ARE CALLED SD CARDS. JESUS CHRIST, HOW STUPID IS /V/?
>>337285909
It happened for 3DS within, what, a year? Two years?
>tfw didn't fall for the Gateway meme
>>337285837
DS uses cartridges and you don't have to blow into them.
>>337285909
Vita uses cartridges and hasn't been hacked.
>>337285939
>>337286010
>>337286067
>>337286226
>>337286264
t. "what's sarcasm?"
>>337285691
>How would this affect developers though?
They'll skip out on the NX because now they have to keep producing carts in mind when it comes to publishing and that'll eat into their budget.
Why produce a special version for one console when the other two can use the same factories they already have contracts for both versions
>>337286337
No one gives a shit about the vita to make a cart
>>337286242
GW wasn't a flash cart, it was a DRM device with a SD card reader
The first real flash cart for 3DS was the Sky3DS which came out in late 2014 I think, so nearly 3 years later
>>337286337
Well yeah, it's pointless to make a flashcart for something that has no games.
>>337286383
alas, I was merely pretending to be retarded!
>>337286337
vita actually has been hacked, just not as widely as 3ds or psp
Come to think of it, we have small ass memory cards with up to 128 gigs of space. Why are consoles still using disks?
>>337286337
Vita's been hacked.
It just has less functionality then a hacked PSP, so why the fuck would I spend more money for less.
I use my PSP as an emulator more then anything these days.
>>337285347
Yes, it just takes longer to set in because of the special coating they have.
>year of our lord 2017
>still using discs
>>337286718
cheaper
>>337284559
>cardrige
you literally can't be stupid enough to not understand the difference between 1992 tech and modern usb flash memory. Literally impossible.
>>337285909
you can buy blank blue ray disks and dvd disks for pretty cheap, as well as buy special drives for your desktop that can read and write on them.
games on disks nowadays use very strong encryption and authentication processes which makes disk based pirating very difficult.
>>337287003
I'd actually prefer 1992 tech. Modern flash memory is not meant to hold data for excessively long periods.
>>337286875
>2011 + 5
>posting Hunter Hearst Helmsley
>>337286875
>not owning your own games
>>337285837
u can blow my cartridge if u know what im sayin
>>337287212
>Eddie Guerrero is dead
>Chyna is dead
just fuck up my life, wwe
>>337284013
If we're talking PCB carts then theres no reason to use them over discs, because straight up carts aren't as good as people remember.
Carts don't have 0 loading or lag. They absolutely do. Try playing Metal Slug 2 on an MVS and you'll see just how bad carts can be.
>>337284559
Are SD cards obsolete?
>>337287272
>thinking owning a disc means you own the game
top kek
>>337287148
source: my orifice
so we are getting mario world HD?
If NX uses carts, then there is literally 0% chance of third party support.
>>337287561
not if they make a deal of exclusivity with sega/capcom/konami or something.
>>337287561
Why?
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>>337287704
>Konami
>>337287561
Data is data, son. The only difference would make is the hardware.
I think it's neat, desu. It could work in their favor. Cartridges are more collectible than discs, look at how vinyl blew up again. It's different and nostalgic to see again for a home console.
Tbqh I'm optimistic about the NX.
>>337287272
>not being the game
>>337287561
Every console NX onwards is going to have carts you dip.
DVD/Bluray will be obsolete soon too.
All disc based formats will.
>>337287925
>>337287780
but carts are more expensive to produce than CDs and JewLords like EA just cannot afford to lose 0.003% profit per sale.
also companies already have deals with CD production factories and would need new facilities to produce carts in
>>337287561
3DS, Vita, Tablets and Phones uses carts.
So does Windows 10 and every PC game. You don't install them from the disc you download the game from the STEAM/UBISOFT/ORIGIN server.
Also PS4 and Xbone can easily swap to SD carts if they want to.
What the NX needs is
>Couch co-op focus, which means no retarded gimmick controller
>3DS link compatability so I can play my 3DS games on a TV like I could play GBA games on a GC or GB games on a Super Nintendo
>Get rid of all the god damn ads and freeware garbage that gets automatically DL'd to your hardware
>>337287561
Third party support is 100% contingent on how well the console sales. If there is a big enough audience, they'll get the support.
Believe me, you're going to be so proud, and its going to be yuge.
>>337284559
yes, disks are literally too slow for consoles
>>337284920
Not to mention, as done with N64 cartridges, Devs can install data chips to allow more data and possible better visuals if the system cannot allow it.
Now, to think that today's passionless industry will ever do that is being incredibly optimistic. But it's happened before with games like RE2. We'll see.
>shit decade with le memes, SJWshit, faceshit, hipters and gamerrrs
You need to ask?
>>337285184
shut up i wanted to buy a new 3ds for my birthday man
>>337284013
Can a cartridge even hold the same amount of data as a blu-Ray disc?
>>337288938
Gee, I don't know, it's not like there are fucking 248 GB MicroSD cards.
>>337284559
To be fair carts even when PS1 was around was still better in terms of quality, the thing was CD's were significantly cheaper to produce, but we got the PS1 load times because of it.
Carts were simply phased out because CD's, and later DVDs were cheaper to produce, problem is you can only put so much on a disc of any type.
And at this point its better to just DL your games onto your hard drive then use a disc
Hopefully with flash based carts we wont have the issues of running games straight off of shoddy console HDDs
>>337288567
Not with the amazing amount of censorship Nintendo has been doing with their games.
Word is getting out that they are treating their consumers as morons and trying to Nanny them. Worst thing possible as a retailer and producer.
>>337289030
Kek
>>337288938
A better question is: can an SD even hold the same amount of data as a blu-ray disc?
I hear that some can even muster 126 gb of data! Sounds like sci-fi doesn't it?
>there are people who think "cartridge" means old school giant cartridges and not much smaller SD cards.
>>337288938
How the fuck is this board so fucking stupid when it comes to technology?
>>337289041
Hell we're seeing a step back to PS1 load times today. Where the data is so advanced and textures so high resolution that several PS4 games have 15 to 30 second load times. Even the "great" Bloodborne, saviour of PS4, has horrendous load times.
>>337289041
Games on the PS4 download them from the Servers onto the HDD and install them on the Disc Drive
So does Xbone.
What I wouldn't be surprised that this happens. There is no Internal HDD for the NX cause everything is on "Carts" and you have to buy it as a separate feature if you want to play DLC games.
I'm calling it.
>>337289076
True
Ninty needs to get over the kids focus and start recognizing the loyal manbabies like myself who kept them afloat in the dry periods. If they did that they'd definitely get a swing of momentum from online communities such as /v/.
And you can't underestimate that.
>>337289278
That's good though. "Living" games fucking blow. As does having to install shit to a HD.
Anon I don't want to scare you, but technology has advanced
It is absolutely acceptable to bring carts back, they have enough storage space to rival blue rays
>>337284686
>>NX very minimal to no load times
>source is my ass
>>337288106
>JewLords like EA just cannot afford to lose 0.003% profit per sale
The issue with Wii and Wii U is that the cost to make games work on the underpowered hardware was too much money and effort for third party devs. Third party made Wii versions because of the huge install base. NX won't sell like the Wii, but it'll be powerful enough to run multi-plats without anywhere near as much effort as going from PS360 to Wii or the downgrading a Wii U version would have required to play PS4/XBONE. Being slightly less profitable is fine, if NX has an install base that's big enough. NX sales would just be extra money because the games themselves would take little to retool from their PS4/XBONE versions.
>>337289349
/v/ board in general regardless of the shit what other anon says is the generalization of the video game consumers as a whole.
Cause what is said here is being trickled down into other social mediums. They want a Disney image but going for a fucking Fisher Price image.
>>337289278
Seeing as how all the good members of Nintendo left or died, and now they are "embracing mobiles"... well I don't expect anything good out of Nintendo.
They needed to breathe new life into their management for a long time, but honestly the picked the wrong type of people. I agree, I'm sensing an EA, Activision, Ubi$oft and Microsoft coming very soon in Nintendo's release futures.
>>337289469
Having cartridges would indeed have next to zero load times
They are more compact than CD's and with cartridges, you don't have to install games, you can literally start the game then and now
>>337289515
>Fisher price
Just because you don't like Amiibo doesn't mean it wasn't successful
>>337289531
"good people left"
Only the scumbag drop outs from retro left, and they became a literal who Dev
>NX released
>Fast load times
>comfortable controller
>gets a few nice games that make 3rd parties interested
one can only dream.
>>337287414
That's not really anyone's decision but my own, though.
>>337289531
>"embracing mobile"
Yeah, in a way that makes sense for mobile, not just shoving $30 games in mobile like every shitposter wants to say happened to Sega Konami and capcom anon
Nintendo isn't wasting their devs for mobile, they hired deNa for it to make games as a social style adversiement
>>337289467
but storage space isn't even the only benefit.
Flash Memory is becoming the new standard of memory, even since it has moved beyond only being in RAM.
Instead of relying on the RPM of a disk motor in order to put data together from contiguous loops, they can load data straight into the RAM the same way RAM loads data into a processor.
>>337289531
Nintendo really needs a Specialized Marketing Team who is unbiased and relay on What consumers want on their system, Iwata probably got rid of them cause he himself is a consumer and knows what the consumer wants cause he really does communicate with the community as whole (For example he is on every Direct and every feed) but ever since he died THERE was no one to replace him since the "marketing team" must of got integrated into NOA memehouse which is a fucking bad idea.
If the marketting team comes up with different information from consumers than what MEME house comes up with they would know they are the cause of the downfall of Nintendo and are contributing to it.
>>337289469
Do you understand what makes discs take longer to load? It is a mechanical system.
>>337289685
Disney has fucking Infinity you fucking TWAT or are you that out of touch with gaming these days?
>>337289798
EA Atleast made a nod that they would release Battlefield 1 of NX "makes sense"
>>337289685
That reminds me
I remember back when Retro got new people who used to work for Naughty Dog, I noticed Tropical Freeze had overall better designs in the animals, it must be the Naughty Dog team who still had the talent of making Animals from the Crash games
I really hope the mobile thing is a joke
The last thing Nintendo needs to do is ruin another generation with its retarded mainline gimmicks
Wii only sold well because it cornered the normie market and had a few good titles to keep oldfag gamers interested.
>>337286676
>>337286812
Not for piracy.
>>337289531
>Good members of Nintendo left
nah chill
Iwata was too casual and his best man move was apologizing for E3
Yamauchi will always be the reason Nintendo lost third party support to this day
Also We have useless drop outs from Retro
>>337290275
>it cornered the normie market and had a few good titles to keep oldfag gamers interested.
You pretty much described mobile gaming.
>>337286242
It took more than 4 years to get CFW running on the 3DS.
You missed out on 2 solid years of 3DS piracy unless you had a flashcart like Gateway.
>>337290517
Yeah, and that has already been cornered.
Wii was sucessful because of its motion controls, which no console had done sucessfully at that time, it was so sucessful in fact that everyone jumped on the bandwagon which is why we got the Kinect and Move, but those flopped because only normies like that shit, and normies arn't going to spend $400+ for it.
Can't wait when this piece of shit launches with three more New SMB reskins and another piece of amiibo justification software like fucking mario tennis.
>More and more digital downloads
>3DS and Vita have proven that cartridges still work
>Flash memory prices dropping like rocks
>MUH OBSOLETE
your hard drive in your pc is a fat cartridge
fuck off, all of you
>>337291270
Jesus christ you're retarded
>>337289685
>Amiibo
Thats ok, but they need balance. At least make uncensored versions of games available digitally for adults.
>>337284013
>Thinking games are going to get any cheaper by staying on discs...
Anon, get your head out of your ass. When will you realize that companies will charge what they fucking want, what they can get away with. So an upgrade whilst demanding the same price as discs by the average user is the only way to go.
>>337291020
True, but it would imply that the NX is a handheld, or some kind of intentionally less powerful system as to economically make sense the size for cards or cartridges would need to be in the 4-8 GB range just north of the 2-4 GB range of the 3DS and the Vita.
I'm still picturing the NX as a system that is something of a successor more to the 3DS than to the WiiU. I expect that it will be a portable that can optionally stream to a TV possibly several systems all streaming to the same dongle.
>>337291532
>Make versions of Nintendo games
>for adults
>>337284013
I am just glad it has some form of physical media.
I was really afraid it was going to be Ouya or OnLive type platform.
>>337284013
>get a game
>install it to a usb device, plugged into usb 3.0
>???
>profit
>>337291725
Not make, release uncensored. Such as Xenoblade, you fucking buttboy.
>>337291621
Producing games on carts does increase the actual cost of manufacturing. Regardless of whether or not companies are keeping prices the same for more money.
Carts just gives them even more of an excuse to charge more than disc games.
>>337284013
Its not like anyone uses disks anymore. Pop a disk into an xbox and it DLs the game from a server.
>There are people that don't want cartridges and prefer games with huge install times on disc
>People still not realizing that cartridges demolish load times and flash memory is becoming cheaper than ever
>>337292303
People just don't want yet another reason for third parties to skip making games for the NX
>>337292974
Why would cartridges affect that at all?
>>337291734
Nintendo can barely get online play right, we're generations away from a digital or streaming only nintendo console.
>>337290069
infinity is also fucking dead now you nigger
>>337292303
flash memory is not cartridges
>>337284314
Because everything is going digital.
>>337293384
I really hope not, but it is bound to happen. I like collecting and owning my stuff
>>337291690
>True, but it would imply that the NX is a handheld, or some kind of intentionally less powerful system as to economically make sense the size for cards or cartridges would need to be in the 4-8 GB range just north of the 2-4 GB range of the 3DS and the Vita.
There are 512 GB SD cards out in the wild. Of course, the max developers would need right now are 64 GB and those would be much cheaper given that they're only Masked ROMs as opposed to readable/writeable SD cards.
The NX is guaranteed to be a software platform with an NXWii and NXDS as the hardware products. This way they share the same OS and in all forms, share the same gaming library to the point where you can use the same game cards on the NXDS as you would on the NXWii.
That last part is critical because this is how they save on the pricing discrepancy between discs and cartridges. They lower the effective costs of the game cards through logistical savings, i.e., saving money on retail space at stores, shipping costs as they only need to ship on version of a unit as opposed to 2 different units with different casings, standardized casings as opposed to 2 different types, and a few others I may be forgetting.
While this move isn't a big deal for Microsoft or Sony, this is a HUGE move for Nintendo given the type of fractured development and user base they've created.Actually this would be a big move for Sony to copy, which I expect them to for the PS5 and Vita part 2
They can put their games on whatever they want. More fucking Mario games and shitty remakes with shit locked behind amiibo will still be garbage no matter the format.
>>337284013
Why do people keep using this shitty fan mockup when talking about the NX? It's a stupid, impractical design that makes zero sense.
>>337294945
Sony's already been dipping their feet in with super easy ports between PS4 and Vita, PSTV, PS Mini's, PS Now
They just need to actually make a full software ecosystem that works on multiple systems and not just half ass it
>>337284419
>like movies are doing
lolno
the cartridges are just going to have like a registry or certificate file and we're going to have to download shit aren't we?
>>337296243
No console is going fully digital for the time being. The original XBONE made all three of them take note.
>>337286412
Rumor has it is very easy to develop games for the NX, as well as porting them.
Hopefully using cartridges won't put them in another Gamecube situation where they have little storage space on them. Unless they can manage 50gb carts.
