He has to be the single most underrated character in this whole game. A competent Roadhog is basically deadlier than almost any other hero in this game.
I don't understand /v/, why dont you main the Street Swine?
Because I main his hard counter.
>>337269525
this one is just an assassin in fat tank's disguise
I'd rather play Winston or Zarya if the team needed tank and play this fat guy if I want to get kills in route 66
Cause he's not waify material, duh. Don't you know anything, OP?
>>337269525
Because I only play honest characters. That hook isn't fair in any way.
Since Blizzard made a shooter where positioning is important, any hero that can force enemies out of a good position is pretty fuckin' powerful.
I fuckin' love Roadhog.
This the new balance thread?
>>337269525
I do main him anon.
>>337269691
FEEL THE BERN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! XD
>>337269525
I DO main him, junkrat is a close 2nd. I mostly main him because he counters the heroes that most people have trouble with. Tracer, Mei, and Bastion. nothing is more satisfying than hooking a Tracer who's trying to unload a clip and sneak away, a Mei who's standing around trying to line up a headshot on my frozen teammate, or a Bastion camping in a corner somewhere. I also just like the whole scrappy australian outback vibe
>>337269691
I only got to play the open beta for a few hours, so if you dont' mind me asking.
How exactly are you supposed to play this character?
>>337270120
stay with ur mates and shoot balls at baddies
>>337269525
>>337269691
>not maining both
>>337269525
Because he hands out the most amount of ult charge in the game just by being shot at.
>>337269906
half of these are unnecessary and half are just shit
except that mei thing, you really shouldnt count as a living enemy when youre invincible like during mercys revive animation or that
the timer for koth also shouldnt tick up when the point is contested
>>337270325
>half of these are unnecessary and half are just shit
Feel free to be more vague.
>>337270325
>the timer for koth also shouldnt tick up when the point is contested
lmao the game would never end
>>337270120
Tag someone wtoh heal orb
Tag high value enemies with weaken orb
Snipe at people with basic attack
Run away from danger because you are squishy
Use ult to make pushes with invuln or heal allies for large amounts
He basically depends on having a competent team that can protect him, otherwise he's the healer that can lend good fire support
Mercy is good for single target healing/damage boost
Lucio is good for aoe heal and point rushes, especially payload because his speed song boosts the payloads speed too
Symmetra is good for defence and general team support
And Zenyatta is an aggressive squishy support, a glass cannon. He does a lot of dmg fast, and his attacks are accurate, but he is very squishy. While his basic heal is the lowest, he can tag allies/enemies with his orbs and then fuck off.
>>337270120
stay near your teammates and pass healing orbs to them. throw discord orbs at people targeting you or at tanky characters with lots of health. Zenyatta's regular attack does a lot of damage if you're hitting someone you discorb'd. You can shoot 20 times before having to 'reload'. When you use the discord orb on someone, you can see where they are through walls, so you can charge your alternate attack, then peek the corner and fire at them for massive damage
>>337269691
>his hard counter
What?
>>337270512
>his speed song boosts the payloads speed too
WHAT
>>337269525
https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=DiMJ-s4T16M
The hardest character to play in any vidja gayme.
>>337270652
Discord makes tanky heroes paper.
>>337269906
>Bastion
>Decrease turret damage by at least 10%
>Increase time from turret mode to mobile mode by 30-50%
>Reduce self-heal rate by at least 15%
>Lower splash damage of ult, shot needs to be next to or direct hit for one-shot-kill
>Lower health by 20 points
>>337270120
Walk anywhere then get one shot by Widow bodyshots
:^)
I pretty much always pick him on Volstaya industries defense, he's so ridiculously good at defending the last point. I consistently go >5 KDA with him because you can completely shut down most entry methods, go around a corner and heal back up.
>>337270703
You didn't know? I tested it, even when I was solo moving the payload. Speed song makes the payload move a good bit faster. It's the equivilant of adding an extra person almost
>>337270751
>make one of the shittiest characters even weaker
how about no.
>>337270823
I knew I wasnt crazy when I saw it move faster.
>>337270798
I think he's better on the attacking team because he can hook camping snipers/bastions out of their spots
>>337270751
Wow lad no.
>>337270869
Bastion is okay but he's super overrated. I fogrt dwarf turret man's name but he's way better than bastion.
>>337270919
I usually prefer a tank like Winston Zarya or Reinhardt on offense so I can protect my team, but on Volstaya defense I just hook tracers all day long
>>337270751
bastion is already weak if you know what you're doing. only shitters think he's OP.
[spoiler/at most, if they have to nerf him they should make it so he can't spin around 360 degrees. make it so he can only look in the general direction he placed himself in when he transformed[/spoiler]
>>337269525
>why dont you main the Street Swine?
I'm really bad at playing tank characters in general. I wish I knew how to Reinhardt.
>le hipster thread
road hog isnt underrated u fags
>>337270325
Mei is all about being a dick desu.
I really enjoyed doing that, even more so understanding that's bullshit.
>>337271108
>[spoiler/at most, if they have to nerf him they should make it so he can't spin around 360 degrees. make it so he can only look in the general direction he placed himself in when he transformed[/spoiler]
They did that and gave him a shield, so his back was completely exposed.
People still cried about it
>>337271136
Mei is all about taking that dick
T H I C K
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>>337271129
>road hog isnt underrated
yes he is. when most people play a tank, they pick reinhardt or d.va
>>337269906
Maybe I just suck at playing Mcree, but I don't think removing the AoE on flashbang is a good idea. It's hard enough to score a direct hit with the fucking things as it is, and the stun duration is practically nonexistent anyway.
>>337269850
kek
>>337269906
>>337269906
Only agree with the zenyatta change. Mcree one seems cool.
The others are in a good spot already imo. Some of the WM and junkrat changes isn't a problem if you actually pay attention since she calls it out and rat explode everytime. I love soldier but i don't think he needs a buff, he's versatile as fuck and fits almost any comp.
>>337270823
Wait, is this why I occasionally saw 6 on the affected teammates counter?
>>337271285
Yeah you do suck.
McCree is a beast right now
>>337269987
Good taste in heros anon!
>>337271334
The problem with Rat's is it rewards the playing for playing poorly and dying, and requires no sort of skill or resource. It's just there as a free gift to the player.
The soldier one is actually a nerf, I worded it weirdly. I mean it takes him slightly longer to reload.
>>337270751
I'd be fine if they did that, but I think if they did, they should at least give him his frontal shield back when in turret form. He'd still be good at holding down chokepoints since it would be hard to take him out once he's fortified. Personally I think the main reason why people hate Bastion is because of his ridiculous damage output, not because he's hard to kill.
>>337271252
hes not popular because hes dog shit against most characters
more like rightly rated u cunt
Reinhardt and Roadhog a best
>>337269906
all changes except mei are shit
git gud
>Playing as Reinhardt
>Have shield up so we can push the obj, slowly moving forward
>Mercy healing me while I take no damage
>Teamates either aren't there or are in FRONT of my shield
>End up switching because playing him with a shit team is pointless.
the only reason i'm not maining zarya is because she doesn't have a good skin that gets rid of her fucking pink hair
>>337270512
>Lucio is good for aoe heal and point rushes, especially payload because his speed song boosts the payloads speed too
How did I never know this? I love playing le black skate man.
>>337271245
Top tier taste friend
>>337271252
Because Reinhardt is the only character that's actually a dedicated tank.
Those roles are absolute bullshit and mean nothing.
>>337271689
>Caring about skins
>In a first person game
You can't even see it.
>>337269525
because I don't play this shit game.
>>337271512
Should rephrase it to reload time, not speed.
>>337271285
Yes. You suck.
Flashbang is a no brainer kill.
>>337271374
I'm decent just shooting people, but I almost never bother with the flashbang because it hardly ever fucking works and I end up getting killed 8/10 times I try to use it. Either I misjudge the AoE radius and fuck it up and get shot, or I hit with it, and the stun lasts for less than a half a second and I still get shot. It's easier just to fucking shoot them.
>McCree is a beast right now
Meh. I rarely have trouble against people playing him. It's Genjifags I have a problem with. One of the last games I played we were attacking and had 3 fucking Genjis and no one would switch because they all claimed to main him even though they were all under level 10. Another time I ended up defending against an entire team of the faggots. Every 20 seconds there'd be Japanese shouting and and some little bastard darting around slicing people.
>>337271689
>What are the winterskins
She does need one that gives her better hair though.
>>337270869
>>337270956
>>337271108
A singular bastion is garbage. A reinhardt shielding for him with a widowmaker covering the corner peekers is a total pain in the ass on certain chokes. Tracer ultimate wrecks it though if you're able to get close.
>>337269906
>slow down junkrat's grenades
So no one ever lands a direct hit ever again?
Why did you make a thread about road hog but post mei?
>>337270404
nerfing torbs turret is unnecessary since its shit without ult or without someone else occupying your attention in which case its serving its purpose correctly
slowing down junkrats bombs is incredibly dumb since it doesnt solve spam at all and only serves to fuck with people that have already learned the arc for the three days itll take them to correct their muscle memory, their range is entirely dependent on how long they can bounce and making them arc harder wont help curb blind corner spam as it helps they occupy "blind hit" airspace for a longer amount of time
mercys ult doesnt need to be nerfed
giving bastion falloff doesnt solve his inherent design issues in that recon form is fucking worthless and youre only ever useful when immobile when immobile teammates are a gigantic drag on team synergy
zens discord ganks dont need to be any freer
dva is redundant no matter how you buff her because her niche is filled far better by other characters, buffing her to be better than them is the only way to make her worthwhile which is stupid
soldier 76s accuracy is the root of the problems he causes, not his reload speed
increasing the range on mccrees stun is INCREDIBLY stupid no matter how you change the hitbox
et fucking cetera
youre neither identifying their issues correctly nor attempting to address them properly, youre just fucking with stats on a vague "feel"youll be working for blizzard within the year, congratulations
>>337271785
Ayylmao
>>337271894
There are always multiple ways in around. If people are funneling into a single bastion they are garbage.
A reinhardt wasting time protecting a bastion is a wasted hero slot.
the map design in this game is atrocious
the only reason bastion and hanzo are even a problem is because every map has a damn mandatory hallway
>>337270913
>>337271373
>>337270823
>>337270703
How fast can a team of 6 Lucios speeding around the payload make it go?
>>337271686
>playing him with a shit team is pointless.
>not becoming a melee reinhardt, pinning faggots to walls and beating the shit outta them and being a bigger target than your teammates
>>337271852
>meh
instantly discarded
>>337272061
I imagine it wouldn't stack.
>>337269850
>That hook isn't fair in any way.
As opposed to fucking Tracer with her timewarp bullshit and Hanzo and his "Ryu ga waga teki go fuck yourself" arrows?
The hook is obvious, anon. Unless you're Reinhardt or Zenyatta, turn the fuck around.
>>337272061
I'm assuminghopingit doesn't stack, or there's a limit
What a time to be alive.
>>337269906
I'd say increase Junkrat's reload speed as well. Right now he rewards blind spamming areas more than most characters are, due to his high damage and splash damage in general.
As for Dva, personally I'd like to see it that she has some kind of alt fire in general. Simply because as far as characters go, she feels a bit too simple.
I'd say that Hanzo also needs some kind of nerf on his ult, though don't know what persay. Being able to pierce through walls and the huge AOE is good enough without ALSO doing so much damage. Maybe reduce the damage, or duration?
Also, haven't played much against Genjis, but having something to make it a little more obvious when hes using the deflection skill would be nice. But that might just be my inexperience with dealing with him.
>>337271894
A good Tracer can fuck the shit out of a Bastion. Last time I played Bastion, I was dug in and completely fucking the rest of the team, but every couple minutes this same Tracer would pop in, stick me, and manage to get out before anyone could touch her. We still won because the rest of her team was garbage.
>>337269906
>nerfing junk rat this hard
Good thing you aren't in charge of balance.
>>337271935
As opposed to brainless landing all of them.
>>337272180
>Forbes
Why is Forbes writing about this?
>>337272060
I can't really disagree. I have loads of fun in the game but the maps could need work. I'm not even that good at shooters but when I pick Hanzo I get loads of free kills just shooting out of chokepoints or down hallways. I mean, I try to aim but it still feels like I'm being handed the kills.
>>337272180
it's Axe all over again
>>337271852
If you use the flashbang well in conjunction with his other skill, you will one shot pretty much anyone in a 1v1.
>>337272281
Why aren't you writing about Forbes?
>>337271894
If that's a team working together it's perfectly fine for them to be hard to take out.
>>337272146
Oh fuck off.
>>337272165
>Hanzo and his "Ryu ga waga teki go fuck yourself" arrows?
Hanzo's Ult isn't that hard to dodge unless you're in a chokepoint.
>>337272281
literally said that to myself out loud the second before I saw this post
>>337272314
>>337270652
This >>337270741
Discord makes all enemies take 50% more damage, which (technically) means a Pudge with Discord on him has effectively 300 HP.
Additionally, Zenyatta's attacks do not have spread or recoil or falloff damage. Whether he is up close or at max range, he will always hit for 46 damage (92 on headshots).
Pudge, on the other hand, has both damage falloff, spread, and a very short range with his weapon. Though he has a large health pool, we've already said his health will be significantly reduce to about twice that of Zenyatta's.
For comparison:
>Range
Zenyatta > Pudge
>Damage (overall)
Zenyatta > Pudge (though Pudge does more close range damage)
>Damage Falloff
Zenyatta (None) > Pudge (Significantly more falloff at mid & far range)
>Mobility
Zenyatta = Pudge
>Health
Zenyatta < Pudge
>>337272314Axe?
>>337272281
hard to believe isnt it? forbes only cared about business and appearance. now they let fucking anyone write for them. its like fucking ted talks, they just dont mean anything anymore
>>337272525
>hurr durr i play dota xD look at me
yeah fuck off retard
>>337272569
>hurr durr i dont play dota xD look at me
yeah fuck off retard
>>337272082
Usually because I'm the only person on my team on the objective.
I remember one game I was playing widow and I only stopped the payload at one point. I had less than 10 seconds obj time and I had the gold medal on my team for it. People just kill and ignore the objectives. Hell I can't even count on my hands how many times we were in overtime and my team just chases an enemy out of the point and loses.
>>337272569
Dota character
>>337272060
It's because of the stupid objectives. The maps also seem very linear. Like skyrim caves.
>>337269906
I love Winston
I think the only thing his ult needs to be improved on is when its active the camera goes into Third Person.
First person is just way too confusing.
>>337272648
>>hurr durr i play dota xD look at me
>yeah fuck off retard
What? I've never played an ASSFAGGOT in my life. This is common knowledge for anyone who has played an FPS like TF2. Watch a damage video on the Scout's scattergun for more information.
>>337272180
>run into a Turret
>said Turret destroys you
Do they WANT to act stupid?
>>337272346
So dodge roll in, flashbang and headshot?
>>337272512
I'm not calling for a nerf or anything, but even people who agree with this comic must admit that sometimes the chaingun can be pretty bullshit. I can't tell you how many times I've been killed just trying to corner peek. It's even more bullshit than Widowmaker's shot speed.
>>337272005
i kekked
>>337272406
> Hanzo's Ult isn't that hard to dodge unless you're in a chokepoint
You mean.
> unless Hanzo is smarter than a vegetable
>>337272796
>ASSFAGGOT
look at you tough guy, arent you grown up
>>337272165
>Ryu ga waga teki go fuck yourself
I'm using this in chat someday
>>337272827
Honestly if you just flashbang, spam your gun till it empties, you're basically gonna kill someone without even aiming if I recall right. Rolling to close the gap if you're far away can help also.
>>337269906
This entire list minus the Zenyatta change is pretty stupid.
>>337272931
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zXlbdaJC-nQ
>>337272931
Says the kid that got defensive that no one plays DOTA
>>337272005
DELETE THIS!
>>337273065
>no u lol
You need to be 18 to pots here.
>>337272406
Hanzo's ult is only easy to dodge if you see it coming and far enough away that you can get out of its huge as fuck AOE. But considering the whole point of the skill is to go through fucking walls/floors you shouldn't be given that much forewarning.
>>337271852
You need to get good with his Flashbang. McCree has two skills: Left Click from across the entire fucking map or Flashbang followed by Fan>Roll>Fan. If you know how to use it properly you should get a kill every time, it's almost broken in its strength for killing divers.
Saying that it's not good because you fuck up with it all the time is pretty stupid.
>>337272512
*flies above you*
"nothing personnel kid"
>>337273154
Oh d*mn! Ya got me xD!
>>337273171
The thing that pisses me the most is that it can enter spawn points. You won't see or hear it coming after respawning and can just immediately get eaten.
>>337273348
Never fucking reply to me unless you're contributing to the thread.
>>337271852
Flashbang has a max range and a pretty hefty AOE. You can back up about 7-10 meters, throw it above a Reinhardt's shield, then fan his head and kill him. This applies to essentially any tank that gets anywhere near McCree, they all lose hard unless Roadhog manages to hook him first, or D.Va just uses her E to run away.
This plus him having good mid to long range damage (35 even after damage fall off) means he is pretty much the best at close range, and one of the best at mid and long range. Even against a Genji E he can just throw a flashbang at the ground near him and still kill him.
>>337273502
Or what faggot?
Anyone living in/near Tucson want to go see the Overwatch Launch Celebration? https://www.tugg.com/events/106231
>>337269906
Literally only nerfing heroes that blasted your anus you shitty waste of skin
>>337272525
I think you mean 450HP, anon.
Roadhog has 600HP, a 100% damage increase is double damage, bringing him down to 300HP.
>>337272807
The problem isn't bastion.
The problem is the fucking horrid level design that forces you to run into bastion on 95% of the maps.
>>337273732
The only hero admittedly that blasts my ass is McCree.
>>337273291
>JUSTIC- UGH
Is there a bigger salt factory than Mei? I got so many hate messages over this beta, it's great.
>have enough friends to play TF2/Overwatch/Dirtybomb/ET/BF4 etc
>they all somewhat competent in games like Assfaggots
>absolutely retarded in any team-based shooter
>run and gun like it's CoD
>absolutely ZERO teamplay
What is it with shooters and people not cooperating? I've seen better teamplay in fucking hide'n'seek in kindergarden.
>>337272924
>>337273171
Maybe I just play against shitty Hanzo's then. I've only been caught in the dragon thing like 3 times and once was when the whole team was rushing an archway at Li Jiang Tower and there was literally no place to move out of the way. Most of the other times, unless you're in a tight space, it's pretty easy to dodge because the yelling tips you off beforehand.
>>337273206
>Flashbang followed by Fan>Roll>Fan.
>>337273595
>Flashbang has a max range and a pretty hefty AOE.
I guess I need to practice more. It just seems like I almost never catch anybody in the AoE and on the off chance I do, the duration of the stun is so short the guy is back to firing on me, and usually tearing me apart because I'm so close, right after I pull my gun back out.
>>337269906
Scrub detected
>>337273883
There you fucking go. someone was actually smart enough to point the flaw.
Why do devs make maps that are claustrophobic as fuck and makes you vulnerable in some cases?
>>337269906
>Mei can't contest/capture points while in her frozen shell
Why the fuck would you think this is a good idea? She's one of the few characters who can easily contest a point because she can protect herself from overwhelming amounts of fire coming at her. Why would you take this away from her?
That's part of her role. She's good for defensive play, and therefore good at protecting the objective. Making it so she can't do that if she also wants to actually do anything is fucking stupid.
>>337273940
literally just the overwatch pyro
>>337273940
I've only played against one really good Mei who got me salty as fuck and she was a level 47 playing against my team who were all < 15.
This video is pretty fucking funny though.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w_Mp5gE0HSw
>>337273783
Yes.
>>337273940
I don't think there's a less fun hero to play against, no. Every skill she has save her right click is just pure anti-fun.
That doesn't mean she's overpowered, hell she's probably kinda underpowered, I hope they rework her to be both more fun and better. I already just hate seeing her on either team though.
>>337274070
Hefty was probably an overstatement. It's probably like a 4-5 meter diameter on the explosion range, essentially you need to get it RIGHT above Reinhardt's shield for it to affect him, and it won't affect shorter character's near him. It's a huge skill throw and I respect McCrees who can do it, but it's maybe a bit overpowered - him, Widowmaker, and Tracer are in a weird state of balance where their power is supposed to be tempered by player skill, but if you're really, really good at aiming they're just flat better than most other characters in a similar role. Widowmaker less than the other two, especially since Hanzo is pretty much all she has to compete with.
>>337274207
>Actually defending it
wow lad
>>337274250
3:40 gets me every time, that banshee wail jesus christ
>>337273883
>>337274162
It's not though. There is only one point I can think of. There is always at least one other way around if not more. The problem is people don't use them/realize them or whatever, they just continuously run straight down the middle over and over.
>>337274065
>What is it with shooters and people not cooperating? I've seen better teamplay in fucking hide'n'seek in kindergarden.
I don't know about the other games, but with Overwatch it seems like most people don't communicate enough. I can remember all the games I played where people actually used voice chat, and every time but one it was basically just somebody saying "X is on the point". The other one time it was a nigger who was super salty about the other team having 3 Widowmakers.
>>337269906
widowmakers are much needed changes
disagree about winston
mccree just needs his ult reworked and alt fire dps decreased
mercy doesn't need buffs
junkrat is fine
soldier is fine
d.va needs to do more damage
zenyatta just needs a bit more hp
lucio doesn't need a nerf
bastion is fine the way he is
tor is fine too
mei is fine
>>337269525
Wait, Pudge is in Overwatch? I guess I gotta try it now...
>>337274529
>Gibraltar
>other way around
>Hanumura
>other way around
>Hollywood
>other way around
>Kings Row
>other way around
Almost every map comes down to an absurd chokepoint and its hilariously awful balance. Throw a shield man and German milf on that Bastion too and it's almost impossible to break through.
>>337271758
they all have high health and are capable of pushing the team forward slowly while drawing most of the fire in order to keep other teammates alive. They're all tanks, they just have different ways of going about it
>>337274070
Yeah I think its more either bad players, or just you got super lucky. I've been hit by that ult a dozen times just by happenstance of being nearby and the damn thing clipped through a wall and killed me. If you don't see it coming, and you shouldn't, it can wipe the whole fucking team.
>>337274854
hanumura and hollywood are the only maps with big chokepoint issues
>>337274854
Point B on Hanamura fucking sucks for flank routes. One Bastion is usually enough to hold it, but people are starting to figure out that if you take two, and put one in each corner near the spawn room it's pretty much impossible to get by.
>>337274586
THICC
>>337274070
Even with a short stun, if you FAN you obliterated the person you're up against. This is especially true with the lower HP chars who won't even get a second to act before they're dead.
>>337272648
>ted talks don't mean anything anymore
I'm not sure what you mean exactly aside from very few talks but if you are referring to TedX it's, somehow, not affiliated with TED and let's just about anyone have a talk about anything, even ASTROLOGY and fucking Anita.
>>337275193
>Even with a short stun, if you FAN you obliterated the person you're up against.
I'm just shitty at video games. I don't even know why I enjoy them so much. Sometimes I'll fan from way up close and maybe hit once before I get torn to shreds.
>>337275351
Might be just that hes not a good fit for you then. Or you can just practice more with him and eventually you'll get there.
That said, Overwatch is pretty casual in general, so it dun matter too much how good/bad you do in the long run.
>>337274792
>Crying about McCree ult
lel
>D.Va needs more damage
kek
>>337275530
I don't know. I've had some pretty decent runs and Gold Medals with him. Seems like I hit a cold streak after I hit level 10 and the matchmaking started getting more and more disparate.
>>337272213
That was probably me. I started playing Tracer just because Bastion gets fucked by her, but I'd still usually lose because the community is ass. Four fucking Widowmakers on Attack? Are you shitting me?
>>337269906
>Junkrat death-bomb removed
salt detected
>>337274854
There is you're just too stupid to take a few steps over to find the path.
Hanumura, on point A I assume you mean the chokepoint is the double doors? Well go to the right and there is a room with stairs that take you over and back down to the little room on the other side of the doors, where most bastions camp. There you go easy bastion kill.
Then on point B the front door I assume? Well you can go in the front straight, or to the right. Or you can take stairs on the right side to get to the top from the courtyard area. There's also many ways if you have a even slightly mobile hero like the left balcony that takes you to the point directly or to the upper walkway.
>>337274492
I like 1:15. Dat laughter.
>>337269906
It's posts like this that remind me that /v/ doesn't know what they're talking about half the time and often sucks at what they play. Thanks for that.
>>337275567
mccrees ult is literally push button to get kills at any range, it's very badly designed
d.va is just really bad all round, she can't dish out damage and can't tank all she is good for is her ult.
>>337275789
why do people keep drawing his left leg as the peg leg? its his right leg. I've seen so many artists get it wrong
>>337270120
stay close to the front lines but not too close
check the enemy team roster, if they have a genji/tracer/reaper watch your ass
make sure discord is bound to something like mouse4 and make sure that shit gets on what it needs to
drop your bad heal on people I guess who gives a shit
and then
FUCK PEOPLE UP. His LMB does massive headshot damage on a discorded enemy. You will melt Roadhogs in no time and if you can aim you can also deter just about anything from attacking you. RMB charge up is good if you know someone's coming around a corner.
He's best to play on defense if you have a torb/symmetra for extra hp. If you don't have that and they have a sniper, you might as well switch off because even the shittiest sniper - I'm talking playing on PC with a ps4 controller shit - will bodyshot you over and over and delete you from the match.
>>337275785
Are you Chaniga or Chainga or something? If so, damn you're a fucking excellent Tracer. Most other Tracers I've played against aren't that great, but that motherfucker must have killed me like 8 times.
Simple ways to fix Mei
1). She can cast ice tomb on other teammates, massively healing them but NOT giving them invincibility
2). Instead of ice flamethrower into freeze, lets just make her ice flamethrower slow people down.
3). her ulti is a single target ability that does nothing to the target but causes all allies in a close radius to turn and shoot their teammate, lasts a few seconds.
>>337274854
You do realize thats why theres high mobility characters, right? There are often paths you can take going out of bounds on the map to get around certain areas and catch people unaware from behind.
I wish there was a way to filter out teams that are playing with their friends.
>>337276108
there are points on some maps where there are no alternate routes
>>337275970
Except McCree has to either wait while walking VERY slowly as his ult locks on to people - the more HP they have the longer it takes - or he has to cancel it and lose 50% of his charge.
Fucking hide behind something you whiny bitch.
>>337275970
Dva's damage is pretty good, and her shield can negate any attack thrown at it for its duration. However, shes not to be played like a tank typically. Shes meant to get in the back line and kill squishies. Her damage only sucks if you think her guns are anything but shotguns and try to fight at range.
>>337276075
Also if you're in a fight and the enemy doesn't notice you, you can hold RMB charge up your orbs and launch a barrage of them at once. If you can learn the timing and accuracy of it, it's fucking beastly.
>>337276086
>3). her ulti is a single target ability that does nothing to the target but causes all allies in a close radius to turn and shoot their teammate, lasts a few seconds.
This makes no fucking sense at all.
>This person is really cold! Shoot them!
Not to mention it's literally stronger than her current ult.
>>337269691
This has got to be bait. I play both heroes a lot and there isn't a more one-sided fight than Roadhog fisting Zen. You're slow as fuck and one hook means you're dead.
>>337276086
>turn her into winter wyvern
because blizzard isnt under enough scrutiny for unique characters
>>337269525
>huge health
>huge damage
>ranged stun
>can self heal
Nobody says hog is bad.
Who has the worst skins in the game, and why is it Widowmaker?
>>337276231
Thats why I specified high mobility chars. There are a lot more options than you might think.
>>337276254
lol what, his alt locks on to his first target almost instantly and lack of mobility isn't really an issue since you won't be using it out of enemies sight.
>>337273291
>A flying Pharah doing shit to a Bastion
>>337272304
>>337272060
The biggest reason why kills are easy in Overwatch anyways is the glowing red outline on enemies that you can see from miles away.
Everyone has it and only retards would turn it off.
Casualized FPS.
>>337269525
>He has to be the single most underrated character in this whole game
>UNDERATED
The fuck he is. I Don't think I've ever played a game with no Roadhog.
You know who is underrated?
Symmetra.
FUCKING Symmetra is a machine.
>6 sentries at a time
>2 sentries alone can kill someone in like 2 or 3 seconds
>her gun can fuck up tanks quickly, destroys everyone else even moreso
I regret not using her more in the beta. I only used her in the last few hours. When people see how good she is, they are going to nerf her to hell.
Went 21-3 on my like 5th time ever using her.
>>337275891
cool argument
>>337276490
His ult locks onto people as fast as their HP pool allows, and while he's locking on he literally
IS NOT
GOING
ANYWHERE
Kill him quick or fucking hide
>>337272206
>Right now he rewards blind spamming areas
Its a grenade launcher, you are not supposed to use it like a rifle and go for direct hits.
>>337276620
Kills are easy cause everyone is made of tissue paper and pretty much every damage ult will kill everyone even at full health. The outlines are the least of the issue.
>>337269906
Some of those things like the bastion nerf are shit, but the Mei one absolutely needs to be changed. There is literally no way to counter it. You can't even shove her fat ass out of the capture point for god's sake.
#1 waifu
theres not enough porn of him desu
>>337269906
Only a few stuff needs to be nerfed like make Bastion have to commit more when going into sentry mode (longer animations in and out, wind up before shooting) and Mei not having 50 extra health for no reason when she can already put up defensive walls and heal herself fully whenever she want.
I LIKE that every single character in the game is OP (in theory), if anything they should buff a few of them. It's more exciting when you know the dangers and play around them.
>>337276762
While true, you're also not suppose to just park your ass in one spot shooting over walls blindly racking up kills.
>>337276635
>>337276635
>>337276635
Also that video of Torb winning while dead, I did something similiar while using Symmetra.
I got the play of the game, and my sentries kept getting kills while I was just walking around.
Anyone else too lazy to use the hero names?
I just say 'sniper' or 'pudge' or 'engineer'
>>337269525
>why don't you main the street swine
Because having a main in a game where each character has so few tools and such strong counters is pure idiocy.
>>337276478
Winston, His scuba skin barely looks different from his normal one and the explorer one is nothing special.
Widowmaker at least has the huntress one which is kinda cool.
>>337276921
If it works you're supposed to do that obviously. They're extremely obvious anyway. Light up like the sun and his gun makes loud noises when firing them.
>>337277036
>Pudge
Come on, she's just thick.
>>337276418
>getting in hook range as Zen
You played a shitter
>>337276485
No, what he means is there are many invisible walls and slanted "you aren't supposed to be here" roofs that prevent you from flanking.
>>337276898
How fucking much of a scrub can you be?
Bastion is troublesome for the first 2 hours then becomes one of the most pathetically underperforming heroes in the game.
TL/DR: you're bad and so is Bastion.
>>337269525
He's not viable in every situation, his kit is best for attack, and he falls down pretty hard on defense, especially considering his lack of shields=free ultimate charge, and that just makes it quicker defense break. Also he lacks the ability to meaningfully defend anyone, even D.Va can block enemy fire, roadie can only help attack.
It doesn't make him bad, it just means his only viable half of the time.
>>337276490
No, he's right. Even in the short time the public beta was open people were figuring out to hide behind something when they heard "Nerf this!" or "It's high noon"
>>337277069
>Because having a main in a game where each character has so few tools and such strong counters is pure idiocy.
Oi m8 ur a cheeky lil buggah say 'at 2 me face n see wut happens.
>>337277036
I'm usually terrible with names, but the character designs make it easy to remember them. I also don't play assfaggots though so there's that.
Bastion's turret form should not be able to do as much damage as it does. It doesn't matter if he can die quickly if you can get some safe shots off when a good bastion parks themselves in view of a tight choke point and can just hold down LMB and kill anything that tries to walk through in 1-3 seconds
Even the first time I ever played a bastion on the random hero mode I completely demolished everything and everyone on the enemy team the second they got into view
>>337269906
>making McCreed completely useless
>>337276478
>tfw the characters you like to play have the worst skins
>the ones you don't like to play all have the best skins
JUST
>>337277423
Why do all players who play Reaper do shit like this?
>>337277198
Man I hate this as Genji. Climb up to a roof but because it slopes ever so slightly I just glide slowly off while being super vulnerable. Meanwhile there are a bunch of much steeper ground that I can safely traverse.
>>337277250
I never said he was troublesome, do you just assume shit in bad attempts to rile people up? TL/DR: okay
>>337272082
>only person at objective
>more than 2 enemies there
>your giant ass is a free target and you die before you can even start moving from L shift
>>337276075
oh I should also add that Zen REALLY shines on defense and not just because you're likely to have a builder.
If mercy is good for assaulting a fortified position and Lucio is good for contesting a point, Zenyatta is good for defending. Your range allows you to keep people topped off when they are spread out, and on defense you're likely to have other people watching your back. You're also less likely to have to deal with snipers. His damage means you can surprise people trying to sneak around or just straight up murder any tanks trying to charge in.
his ultimate is made for denying enemy ults, so when they make their big push just hit your Q button and tell them to get fucked.
I mean I play him on offense too, but he's way more fun on defense.
>>337276335
don't rely entirely on it though. Early on I disliked Zenyatta because I thought that was how he was supposed to do damage. But his LMB is beastly on its own (does more damage per orb) and very accurate.
the RMB charge is hilariously good against the fatter tanks or if a Widow has used her ult. But most of the time I honestly stick to LMB and it's fine.
>>337277559
>why do 13 year old edgelords do stupid shit
because that's what they are on this planet for, anon.
>>337276404
Call it "Winter Madness" or something. The cold weather makes teammates turn on each other.
It's just a ripoff of Winter Wyvern's ultimate though.
>>337277324
>not only having a "main," but maining an assassin-type instead of a tank or support
>>337276478
One of her costumes should have been pre-talon or something.
>>337272648
90% of people I've played with called him pudge or tracer scout or some bullshit like that. Character archtypes are hard to ignore and get ingrained. Hence people called 76 the COD guy or genji the ninja.
Pudge was the first character to get a hook as part of his kit.even before stiches and the butcher., so it makes sense people having a fat ugly character with a hook and lots of HP pudge
>>337277651
Why suggest a nerf to a hero you don't consider troublesome?
Are you clinically insane?
>>337269525
Am I supposed to use left or right click when I hook someone? I see Roadhog's one shotting people all the time but when I do either at point blank it does half health at most.
>>337277559
Probably a new player who thinks that the teleport doesn't have a ton of vulnerability frames before he can act.
I've also heard people say that placing the teleport location can be tricky, sometimes it will snap a few feet closer right before you start teleporting and you're fucked because everyone can see it.
>>337276889
I think the cutest thing about her accent. I never knew Chinese could be so cute.
>>337270739
>>337276478
i like widowmakers skins, i personally think tracer has the worst skins aside from the preorder one.
>>337269525
Is that pudge?
>>337277950
left click and melee
>>337269691
the very presence of genji invalidates the existence of zenyatta, whereas roadhog can still function relatively well when theres a zenyatta on the enemy team
>>337277823
I get a rush from being behind enemy lines and causing mayhem by picking off weak targets from behind. Dick-ass thief lifestyle.
>>337277950
Right click shoots out a ball that explodes at a set distance. If it hits something before it has reached that distance, it deals shit damage. If it doesn't hit anything but goes off right in front of someone's faces, it's the same damage as if you did left click right up close.
So in short, left click if you hooked someone. Just make sure to aim at their faces, that will kills most of the cast except for anyone with 250 or more health
>>337277950
Left. Right click is for medium range and dose next to nothing if you hit them with the ball.
>>337277851
So what? A non-purple Widowmaker? Could be interesting.
>>337277956
>I've also heard people say that placing the teleport location can be tricky, sometimes it will snap a few feet closer right before you start teleporting and you're fucked because everyone can see it.
This.
It was a rare occasion that I got to play an assassin because for some reason those are apparently the most popular characters, but it took a bit to get the hang of his teleport, and even then sometimes I'd end up teleporting in front of a sniper instead of behind them
>>337277423
honestly it's not the damage it's the range, there's next to no damage fall off on it, so he can still shred you from a mile away as easily as he can up close, I think they just need to increase drop off a bit, and maybe make it a little weaker to shields, he reallt just needs a bit of a tweak, bastion was hell to balance early and he still seems to be trouble, even the devs admit as much as that, it's how to tell anyone who says bastion is "fine" is talking out their ass.
is there any time a pharah wouldn't be decent on a team?
>>337270739
good fucking kek.
>>337277950
hit 'em with the normal shotty round and then melee. What you see happening is Hog doing a 3 hit. Hook, shotty to the face and melee as it's going off.
>>337269525
Playing Genji while listening to MGRR sound track sold me on him anon. I am sorry I understand why you main Roadhog he's great but Genji is the only life to live,
>>337272178
i think the push limit is 3x
>>337276418
think of it like McCree vs Tracer.
Tracer can kill McCree easy if she gets the drop or flashbang is on cooldown. But McCree is still considered her counter because most fights will end in flashbang/RMB/ded.
If you get in hook range as Zenyatta you're doing it wrong, same as Pharah. And speaking from experience I find Roadhog to be the easiest thing to kill as him except maybe D-Va's mech form. Dude just melts.
>>337278239
if they have a good Hanzo or Widow.
>>337272827
>So dodge roll in, flashbang and headshot?
It's not a dodge roll, it's a reload.
You flashbang, fan the hammer, if they're still alive you roll, fan the hammer, if they're still alive you suck and deserve the death that's coming when you reload.
>>337277146
DELETE THIS!
R8 m8s
>>337278420
I just found out from watching a video that the roll includes a reload. Fuck, I thought it was a dodge. No wonder I'm so garbage with him.
>>337273902
I always liked how if the character died while saying a line they'd groan in a similar pitch
>I'm on the point! Join me if you Wiiiaghhhhhh
>JUSTICE RAINS FROM ABAUUUUUUGHHH
>MOLTEN COOOOGHHHHHNNN
>Roadhog
>>337278170
>Less revealing clothing
>Natural skin Color and Hair
>No Infared Sensors
I know this hasn't happened to any other skins but maybe altered voice lines with more emotion I guess?
>>337278620
I dunno bastion seems pretty balanced already, have you thought about getting good?
>>337278620
any time somebody posts balance changes and they nerf bastion hard I can tell they are a grade A shitter
>>337278634
I like that little tidbit. It gets so hilarious hearing them on the radio.
>>337278620
>Zenyatta
harmony orb used to work like that and he was insanely overpowered. Just the HP/shields change is all he needs (and he really does).
also lol at those bastion nerfs. Not happening.
He's the most fun Tank behind Reinhardt but the fact is he's a bullet sponge and in this game that's not a good thing. Sure he can heal all his health but shields are in general all around better because enemies can't build ultimate with shields.
Roadhog on the other hand is all meat and bones so every shot by the enemy is free ultimate for them. Sure he can stay alive well enough but if you continue getting shot at while not killing or doing damage yourself then Roadhog is literally more useful dead at this point.
>>337278620
1.Bastion is now unplayable.
2.Ok
3.Good
4.Doesn't need the movement buff, her glide
already has a two second cool down. Fine for charge though
5. Not sure.
6. Not bad
7. Not bad
8. Sure
9. No for snap, yes for range.
10. Sure
11. Yes
12. Yes for health/armor, no for the later, they did that before and it was too strong.
>>337278832
>I know this hasn't happened to any other skins but maybe altered voice lines with more emotion I guess?
actually the norse mercy skins have an alternate voice line when you ultimate, she says "To Valhalla!" instead of Heroes never Die!
>>337272281
forbes has been doing video game journalism for a long time now. how do people not know this?
>>337278620
Bastion:
+Return frontal shield
-He can only spin 90 degrees to the left or right
>>337278340
>>337278634
>mi wo sutetemo myoBUUEGH
Genji's BUUEGH is definitely the funniest thing about playing him, but Mei's are definitely the saddest, the terrified screams when she's caught by a long reinhardt charge is just the most tragic thing ever.
>>337278832
>any other skins but maybe altered voice lines
How? I know Mercy changes up her Heroes never die line depending on her legendary skins, but yeah they could probably do something like that.
The real problem with what you listed would be the no infrared sensors, that's involved with her Ultimate so there'd have to be an equivalent. They could just do something like 76 and give her glasses or something she could adjust to facilitate activating the ult.
>>337278620
>that pharah change
why?
