http://kotaku.com/from-software-says-dark-souls-3s-seemingly-useless-pois-1776079738
You heard it here, folks. Poise is working as intended and won't be "turned on" says Bamco. Looks like the idiots who believed that Italian CS rep have only proved how stupid they really are.
http://pastebin.com/FFLvqTmF
Pastebin for you because Kotaku.
Good. Poise is shit and only shitters think they need it to git gud. Of course that won't stop them from blaming a lack of poise for them sucking. Anything but admitting it's they're own damn fault they're bad.
Bamco, the guys who tell players "lol don't take candy from strangers" when people are hacking and banning other players just demonstrated they don't even know what Poise is.
It's not working as intended because it just isn't working.
The value can still be enabled, Yhorm's shield and Wolf Ring still do nothing and Perseverance does more than any armor set.
Still no word from FromSoft. News at 11.
>B-but it was totally unintentional tat they left a very noticeable mechanic disabled for over a month.
>I'm sure they'll fix it.
laughingwhores.jpg
Poiseis shit, once you get past the arbitrary breakpoint where you won't get staggered in 1 hit, it just enables R1 spamming even more, lets you poisestab and fucks large weapons even more.
I don't get the argument that poise would be beneficial for large weapons when they have hyper armor, sure the hyper-frames don't start immediately but at least you won't have to face a DMB falchion user that 2-hands his weapon, hits your first UGS swing while spamming R1, breaking your poise first and vastly outdamaging you.
tl,dr poise is shit
Maybe Dark Souls 2 poise would be fine
>>337264113
Give it up dude, it's not happening. This is coming straight from the guy who's job it is to relay this type of info to the masses.
>>337263287
Why is everyone so keen not to give them traffic?
Everyone here is using ublock anyways, so they´re not getting any money.
>>337264821
Large traffic sites like Kotaku get ad money based on page views, not a pay-per-click system. Simply following the link is enough. There are ways to view the page without it counting, but uBlock is not one of them.
>>337264154
>laughingwhores.jpg
>jpg
>>337265048
I see, thanks.
>>337263784
It's a lacking combat mechanic that turns heavy builds near obsolete no matter how you look at it.
I'm just happy I'm not at the receiving end of this,
>>337263180
Did your perchance roll roll attack today?
>>337263180
>http://kotaku.com/from-software-says-dark-souls-3s-seemingly-useless-pois-1776079738
I would be mad a week ago. Not even sad right now.
But you can be sure I stopped playing DS3 because of the lack of poise.
Jokes on them, last From Soft game I bought believe it or not.
>>337265108
Thanks anon. I can now join the modern age.
>>337265198
>turns heavy builds near obsolete no matter how you look at it.
Explain please. Hyperarmor is already good enough and rewards good timing/spacing while punishing the bad. If anything, adding poise would just make it so everyone is running around in full havels with dark swords and estocs since their R1 spam wouldn't be interruptible.
>>337263180
I don't get what all this poise drama is, I have no idea what it is and I got through the first game fine. In fact I barely looked the stats at all, do you faggots really need to minmax because you're not good enough to just use player skill?
Holy fuck Those lying shitters.
>It's working has intended
>Situational
>Last time they spoke about this issue
They didn't even explain how it works!
Does any one seriously believe this shit?
>>337265298
>last From Soft game I bought believe it or not.
You mean the most recent game they've released also happens to be the most recent one you've purchased? No fucking way!
>But you can be sure I stopped playing DS3 because of the lack of poise.
So you gave up because you can't rely on a crutch that never should have been in the series anyway? Sorry the game isn't casual enough for you.
>Treating your costumer like shit
This is what we get for making dark souls the meme it is today.
>>337265298
how is it a joke on them when they already got your money?
>>337265298
>I stopped playing DS3 because of the lack of poise.
Absolutely pathetic. You didn't deserve to play 1 or 2 either.
>>337263180
They simply don't want to admit their mistake
>>337265934
They're already admitting that the implementation of poise in 1 and 2 was a mistake by finally fixing it now.
>>337263287
turned off my adblock to give them my hit because you're a faggot
>>337265545
This
They falsely advertise the way it works
Turns out it never has worked and doesn't do what it advertises
It's still a useless Stat
Hyder armor and preserve skill doesn't have anything to do with poise at all and work entirely separate
>>337265925
>>337265926
>>337265805
Didn't got my money on Dark Souls 2 I'll tell you that.
>implying poise is needed to pvp
>>337266218
>Hyder armor and preserve skill doesn't have anything to do with poise at all and work entirely separate
Not necessarily true. Hyper armor doesn't work at all if you have zero poise. But there's no difference in how it works between having 99 Poise and 0.1 Poise, as long as you have it.
>>337265805
>Sorry the game isn't casual enough for you.
>I'm calling him casual ay lmao
>Estoc
>Dark Sword
>Using the shittiest armor is practically the same as using Havels
>1 useless stat
>Vitality is also useless
Go fuck yourself you R1 spamming shitter.
>>337264426
Your step dad works at From?
>>337265926
>You didn't deserve to play 1 or 2 either.
Why? Because he doesn't enjoy being stun-locked by 2 rats and daggers?
>>337263180
>Links to Kotaku and not pastebin
How much of a newfag are you?
>>337266548
>can't abuse hyper armor
>calls others r1 spammers
That's like level 8 irony my dude.
>>337266440
>Not necessarily true. Hyper armor doesn't work at all if you have zero poise. But there's no difference in how it works between having 99 Poise and 0.1 Poise, as long as you have it.
But unless you're 100% naked with less than 10 vit would you ever have zero poise
my biggest concern right now is not the poise issue but the fucking range that straight swords have that equal great swords.
>>337266548
>he called me a casual so he must be exploiting the casual meta
I'll just be over here wrecking fight clubs with my DSGA and superior spacing. Keep lying to yourself if it helps you sleep at night.
>>337266748
>hyper armor lets you trade 1 for 2 hits
It's ironic right?
>>337265432
There's literally no reason to use heavy armor over a set of rags since there's no difference in defense and now no difference in poise. You're gimping yourself.
>>337266742
>can't be bothered to scroll down before feeling the urge to voice their opinion
How's it feel to have autism?
>people unironically want das1's poise system back
>mfw I've been farming pale tongues with my black knight great sword and axe
You don't need poise to git gud
>>337266935
Oh, yeah I agree with that. I thought by "heavy build" you were talking about weapons, not armor.
>situational
but what does it actually do then
>Poise is working as intended
>there are items and weapon arts in game that boost poise
Can we get an update then that replaces poise-boosting sword arts of a lot of maces and great hammers with something that has a purpose then?
>>337267020
Not like ds1. I'd expect to at least take 1 hit and not stagger.
>>337267071
That's not the point, it makes the PvE experience worse. Armor is useless.
>>337267203
>wanting poise in PvE
The idea is to not get hit by the enemies
>>337267203
>armor is useless
well, it makes Fashion Souling easier to do.
>>337267203
>it makes the PvE experience worse
You shouldn't be encouraged to take damage. Play properly and there's no issue.
>>337267350
>The idea is to not get hit by the enemies
Go fuck yourself. I wan't to play as a tank.
I've never though poise would be such a big deal. In fact, I've been playing since DS1 and it wasn't until DS3 was release and everybody started talking shit about it that I learned what poise was and how does it work. I seem to have missed out this feature entirely, guess it's mostly noticeable on PvP, a thing which I've never participated in.
>>337267491
Go play an MMO then.
>tfw you discovered the perseverance meta
>>337267203
>I'd expect to at least take 1 hit and not stagger.
Which is similar to das1's poise.
In PvE, this enables you to just tank boss hits and hit them. It allows you to just stand there and drink if you need to heal. No dodging or blocking required. It completely trivializes content and effectively adds an easy mode.
In PvP, this leads to circlestrafe backstabbing that punishes whichever retard swings first or whoever lags more. Das1's pvp was complete fucking garbage for this reason. Do you seriously want giantdad tier meme builds back?
>>337267020
I want a system where you can poise through a few hits of a light weapon but not a hit of a heavy weapon. Give the smaller weapons less poise damage and/or the heavy weapons more.
It's not like your only 2 options are Dark Souls 1 poise or no poise at all.
>>337267479
>>337267350
I don't think you understand what I meant. It makes the PvE experience worse because it makes armor trivial and almost invites you to ignore certain enemies. Also, they have poise which is retarded imo.
>>337267692
Dude, how fun is it to be staggered by a punch in full Havels?
>>337264280
Dark Souls 2 had the best poise system. Weapons did large amounts of poise damage so you needed even more poise to tank a single hit, and you also get staggered anyway if not taking an action so no more tanking hits to backstab. It really shines when using Large weapons, where attacking reduces poise damage taken by 50%.
>>337267635
>>337267553
I'm the same, only played the first game but I never knew what poise was and got through it no problem. It's only /v/ fags that seem to care.
>>337263180
Almost thought it was the Pillars of Nosgoth in the distance.I hate being wrong.
>>337267859
Dude, how fun is it standing in front of a boss mashing your R1 button? Because it sure sounds like you'd love to dumb the game down and remove any kind of combat complexity to cater to your braindead mind. Are you the kind of person who would love an easy mode added to the game? It's essentially what you're asking for.
>>337268032SOUL REAVER 3 FUCKING WHENSoul Reaver 2 was shit imo
Can a sonyfriend tell me if Bloodborne had a poise system?
>>337268215
Fucking hell. Can't we have a midterm in this shit? That's all I'm asking. Make it shit but introduce it and give me at least a reason to wear havels armor ffs.
>>337268323
It didn't, but it also didn't have a weight system.
>>337268323
>Bloodborne
>relevant
>>337267719
DaS1 did precisely that.
>>337268502
it had a shit system though
>>337268492
No. Either you want poise to do nothing at all or you want any amount of poise to make you unmoveable.
and here we go with the anti-BB sentiments when all that guy asked was if poise was present in it.
>>337263180
lmao they ended up saying absolutely nothing about how it actually works
>>337268757
Bloodborne is to Souls games what McDonalds is to gastronomy.
>>337268323
Bloodborne was a game of don't get hit.
>>337269110
Or hit back harder if you do get hit
Good
Turning on poise wouldn't actually fix anything either because it just turns shit like Full Havel's Set + Estoc into an even stronger combination
>>337268949
>did not play bb
I pity anon.
Why don't they leave out poise but make heavy armour actually absorb a decent amount of damage?
I don't need poise in PvP, that would just encourage people to R1 spam even more. However I feel like it should be there in PvE, simply because they decided to make enemies EPIC AND FAST like Bloodborne with retarded attack patterns that attack like 6 times and never give you a break. If I'm a guy in fucking huge armor, those shitty noodle armed zombies and rats shouldn't be able to stagger me in a single hit, plain and simple. There's no excuse for it being a completely useless stat and it's a bad choice. Anyone saying "DUDE JUST DON'T GET IT or YOU'RE NOT SUPPOSED TO BE HIT" is a fucking idiot because with poise being displayed as a stat, a stat that is only relevant when being hit, the game suggests that a build where you are taking lots of hits like a tank is possible, when it simply isn't.
>>337269396
Actually, I bought a PS4 just to play it. It was fun for the first 10 hours, then it got old.
Litteraly the only argument I heard from anti-poise fag is "haha now you have to dodge everything like me a real player haha you're so bad haha" they have yet to construct an rational argument to why putting a stat that does nothing in a game is a good thing.
Here some SIMPLE solution :
Poise was too strong ? Nerf it.
Poise is too good for light armor ? Make it scale with heavy armor.
Able to have heavy armor (high poise) and high mobility (low equipment load) at the same time ? Make it so you can't max both stat (oh wait, they already did that)
The major problem with DaS1 is you could max out both stat pretty easily.
Now playing a heavy build is playing on hard mode. Why would you have a weapon that takes twice the time to swing, but only has minor range and damage increase ? It's stupid. The fast weapon will do more damage per second and stagger enemies more quickly. There is no more build diversity. There is literally no reason to play heavy build unless it's for style and style only.
>>337269596
I agree. They should remove the stat completely for that reason.
>people still don't know poise is hyper armor during swings in DS3 now
Why don't armour have strength requirements?
>>337270015
Yes, but as was stated earlier in the thread you only need 0.1 poise to receive the full benefit. Going beyond that has no further effect on hyper armor.
>>337269783
But anon, with Poise, a lower Meta could be fun, i can see that in the arguments of many anons here, but it would also mean less players will be invading and fighting at higher SLs.
I am at 170 and have more invaders than at my first playthrough in the release week.
>>337270015
No people do.
That's not poise though.
That's hyper armor.
And it doesn't start until after you've begun swinging your weapon.
So go try and be LE EPIC SMUG HEH somewhere else you dipshit.
>>337268492
Fashion and resists. There should be no other reason to wear any kind of armor.
>>337268323
No poise, no weight
Wear whatever you want, wield whatever you want, and look /fa/ as possible while you're at it.
Right now, weight is just hindering Fashion Souls
Correction
>From can't figure out how to get Poise to work on anything but the dev version of the game
>rather than fixing it and risk breaking something else they're just leaving it alone
I hope to god we one day live to see a finished Fromsoft game, if such a thing even exists.
>>337270274
Weight should have never existed in DS3. It makes vitality an obsolete stat.
>>337270437
I don't think people realize how small the teams working on the Souls game is.
Maybe it's because it's Japanese but a western game of that caliber would have several times the staff I bet.
Because it's absolutely stupid how much VIT you need to wear a full set of heavy armor and still get a fast roll; I wouldn't mind something similar to DaS1 poise system. Havel's Ring got nerfed hard enough that outside of absurd SL200-ish builds you wouldn't be seeing any fastrolling havels. Forcing players to choose between high poise or good rolls is basically what I want out of DaS pvp. Ensuring that weapons are then balanced (so even full Havels wouldn't be able to tank more than 1 hit of a GS/UGS but could take 2-3 hits from a standard LS) is just a matter of trial and error/patching, but the fundamental poise system is fine in concept.
>>337270517
>hurr everyone should be able to run around with Havel Greatshield and Yhorms Machete durr
>>337270597
Are you even reading this thread you autistic faggot?
>>337270565
Number if staff does not correspond to quality. Ueda managed to at least get Ico and SotC to a "finished" state with a puny team, and those games were technological monsters for their time.
FROM just flat out cannot finish their games on-schedule, and they're not even the most intensive concepts. Every Souls game aside maybe Bloodborne was left either incomplete (DeS) or disgustingly unpolished (DaS2), or both (DaS1).
And that's coming from someone who adores the series.
>>337268215
>combat complexity
>rolling is complex
Tbqh, what the fuck is the point of weight, if there's no poise?
I'm with this guy>>337270517
By removing poise they could at least remove weight as well.
>>337270274
>>337270597
Compromise; divide armor/weapons into three or four weight classes and reasonable stat investment (20-30) will let you wear full heavy gear. If From is afraid of making effective armor, it shouldn't cost 40-50 soul levels to wear things.
>>337270903
And then everyone could hide behind greatshields forever. You can't take out Weight limits without turning the game into Bloodborne, which would require the removal of shields
>>337270903
weight also balanced heavy weapons and great shields
>>337266134
Sure you did faggot.
>>337271020
>And then everyone could hide behind greatshields forever.
Then remove any added effect of a greatshield and just make all shields uniform in stats.
I just use Havel's shield + longsword/estoc all day and never lose. If poise is ever turned on I'll just drop the shield for full havel set and estoc + leo ring.
If you take this game's pvp seriously you're probably mentally disabled.
>>337271106
>nerf everything into the ground and/or just turn the game into bloodborne
>to fix a stat that worked perfectly fine in the first place
This is why /v/ should never become game designers.
>>337271209
>massive tryhard attempts to call everyone else out on "taking things too seriously"
Hah
>>337271220
I am responding to the shit decisions that the devs themselves have made you mongoloid.
There's no point having weight if there's no poise. Literally zero.
>tfw I can't even be Tarkus anymore
Why?
>>337271036
>weight also balanced heavy weapons and great shields
Are you new? Heavy weapons are shit compared to their dex counterparts in general.
>This is why /v/ should never become game designers.
Nice pasta m8, r8 an 8/8
>>337271315
Sounds like someone got dunked on by some Havelstoc.
>>337266059
>Fixing it now
Having an entire stat, Vigor, where the main purpose is too be able to equip heavy armor for Poise (because the difference in physical defense/absorption is pretty negligible) is not "fixing it." They have a worthless stat for increasing a worthless value.
If they wanted it to be Bloodborne, then they should have made it like Bloodborne, which includes armor being weightless.
>>337271349
Aside from balancing greatshields and STR weapons
Good job, you're an idiot
>>337271365
>Heavy weapons are shit compared to their dex counterparts in general.
My Dragonslayer Greataxe disagrees with you. Just because you're bad with them doesn't make them unusable.
It's actually great for me. The meta is filled with R1 spammers and stunlocks because of the lack of poise, and Morne's Great Hammer has let me hard counter that pretty easily.
>>337271452
I've actually never had to deal with them since I don't play at SL 120 +-30, but nice meme spouting you Undertale-loving fag.
>>337271494
>Dragon Slayer Greataxe
>Good
>>337271493
>Aside from balancing greatshields and STR weapons
Why? What's there to balance? You could still have stat requirements and scaling differences but no weight.
>>337271489
That's a problem with vigor and armor weight, not a problem with poise. Hyper armor replacing poise is one of the better changes to take place in the series.
>>337271494
>Boss weapons
>Good
Nice meme newfriend. You sure must be a pro in PvE.
"Then maybe letting people know how these situation works would keep them from complaining. The way they’re speaking it seems like it IS a useless stat and they just don’t want to acknowledge. I understand they’re known for being cryptic, but there has to be a point where letting people know how something works becomes important - What they’re doing right now is just saying “It is working, you guys just don’t know how” to a base game mechanic."- Some dude on the Kotaku comment section
>>337271530
The issue is that a lot of STR/Quality weapons that aren't XBOXHUEG don't get hyperarmor, so even then it's not balanced particularly well.
That and straightswords/estocs/etc can get guarantee 2-hit combos which out-DPS weapons that can't trade thanks to no poise/Hyperarmor.
>>337271494
>>337271691
Because if those weapons had no weight effect you'd have DWGR STR flippers just like early DaS1, or the equivalent.
>Vitality is useless and a waste of points because heavier armor doesn't give jack shit for defence against lighter, more optimized sets
The fuck were they thinking
This could have been easily fixed by allowing armor reinforcement, and heavier armor having better scaling with upgrades
But no, now its just fucking pointless to use anything even mildly heavy
The game balance is beyond fucked in 3
>>337271840
>The fuck were they thinking
They lied to us. There's no way around it.
>>337271645
>>337271735
>I've never used the weapon so I'll just call it shit
I routinely win fight clubs even against estoc and dark sword users. All it takes is one slip up on their part and it's time to go to pound town. Maybe you should try something other than spamming R1 before completely dismissing heavy weapons.
>>337265125
even if they did get money based on views, uBlock still shows the ad as viewed, even though it was blocked
>>337271837
>Because if those weapons had no weight effect you'd have DWGR STR flippers just like early DaS1
So what? I'd take that over having a *literally* pointless stat, that is required to use armor that does *literally* nothing.
>>337271840
i was surprised to see that they didn't allow armor upgrade or weight reduction with upgrades as well. I just dont get a lot of the decisions they made with this game
>>337271365
>Are you new? Heavy weapons are shit compared to their dex counterparts in general.
that in itself is another problem with the game, but ignoring that if you even look within a single weapon class the better weapons often weigh more
>>337271951
>I'd take having unplayable PvP over having a broken stat that inconveniences one playstyle
You're a fucking idiot, son
With no Weight stat there is literally nothing stopping a player from gouging VIG and END, and just fastrolling around behind an unbreakable Greatshield.
You are trying to combine two known issues in PvP into one broken shitfest. Good job.
>>337268215
Guess what, chucklenuts?
You can already R1 spam most of the fucking bosses.
Because they stagger.
And then you get a visceral attack for even more damage.
Then you fucking do it again.
>>337271936
>I've never used it
Just stop making a fool out of yourself, everyone tried that thing. It's good in PvE and that's it. Shit reach and shit weapon art. Fume great-sword will always be superior.
>>337271723
>That's a problem with vigor and armor weight, not a problem with poise.
That's like saying "That's a problem with vigor, not with HP." or "That's a problem with endurance, not with stamina." Poise and heavy armors are the only reason you would need to really pump your vitality. And being "situational" in ways that no one has discovered and they haven't specified still isn't fixing it or improving it. Simply listing a value, saying it does something, and having it not do that thing is a massive flaw and oversight.
>>337272305
>With no Weight stat there is literally nothing stopping a player from gouging VIG and END, and just fastrolling around behind an unbreakable Greatshield.
There's nothing stopping you from doing that now either, because you don't have to wear armor for poise you fucking moron.
>>337272236
Actually in 3 Quality far outdamages Dex thanks to the nonexistance stamina cost of Longswords and Estocs.
In fact Dex is kinda terrible, aside from some dual wield spin2win gimmick builds and running katana R1s.
>>337272338
Like I said, just because you suck at using it doesn't make it unviable. The same could be said about any weapon, but I've won more duels with the DSGA than any other weapon so far. It's all about that spacing.
>>337271936
Watch this if you have any love for yourself.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iSCOgi5imGA
>>337272597
I saw it when it first came out. What's your point?
>>337272596
>Like I said, just because you suck
>oh boy I sure showed him :^)
>>337272463
The weapon weights alone stop you from doing that at anything other than very high meme SL metas, which you seem to be completely ignoring.
That abd the fact that VIT is a limitation stat that prevents VIG/END gouging by forcing you to invest your points elsewhere, whereas in 1 END was a feast or famine stat that rewarded pumping levels.
>>337271756
>STR/Quality weapons that aren't XBOXHUEG don't get hyperarmor,
What weapon class below Greatswords should get hyperarmour in your opinion?
My favorite class in all of Dark Souls is fatass heavy knight with a side of miracles.
I want someone to tell me right now how viable that is in Dark Souls 3 before I buy this game.
>>337272712
You clearly didn't, wouldn't be having this discussion with you if you did.
>>337272713
>better greentext since I have no argument
>oh gotta include that one smiley face too so he knows how good at memes I am
>>337272830
You'll get stunlocked if you can't kite for shit
You can always fastroll when below 70% weight
You have mana and a mana flask instead of limited casts
>>337272830
Armor has no poise and miracles are shit.
So no, you shouldn't buy it.
>>337272830
>I want someone to tell me right now how viable that is in Dark Souls 3 before I buy this game.
It's not for 2 reasons:
Miracles and Magic are shit overall;
Poise doesn't exist.
>>337272895
>you suck is now an argument
Hello summer-friend
>>337272830
Good in PvE and bad in PvP
>>337272873
I'm not about to rewatch a 15 minute video I've seen already just to analyze it to understand some vague point you're attempting to make. Why don't you just tell me what you're trying to say instead of being a faggot?
>>337263180
then, whats the point of heavy armor now?
>>337272795
Regular Greatswords and CGSs barely get hyperarmor was my point, and I'm not sure that Axes do either which as STR weapons they should.
Hyperarmor really only sets in UGSs, GAs, etc. In my experience using nothing but GSs on my first character.
Do people have a tough time using heavy weapons or something? I win against ganks all the time with heavy weapons, one of my favorite things to do is camp out at the giants after Pontiff and wait for Aldrich faithfuls to try and gank me
Its fucking stupid how good hyper armor is and the fact that you will always get 2 hits in
>>337272943
>>337272950
>>337273056
>>337273068
>>337273056
The argument was about the viability of a weapon. The fact that you suck is just supplementary to the focal point. But yeah, keep cherry picking posts, it sure makes it seem like you have something worthwhile to contribute.
>>337273138
The issue isn't that STR isn't viable, it's that there's clearly an unfinished mechanic that they're lying about/ignoring that makes armor an entirely irrelevant side of the game.
>>337271494
>Casuals actually thing meme axe is good because of its R2
Dark souls should've died with DS1
>>337272486
To be fair, quality out damages Str as well.
Which is kind of the point. You invested in both physical stats so you should have the highest physical damage.
>>337273318
The R2 is terrible. Did you mean the L2, because even then it's situational and rarely pays off.
It's all about that rolling R1. Shit is way too fast.
>>337273121
>Regular Greatswords and CGSs barely get hyperarmor was my point
I main the Claymore and my 2hR2 can poise through UGS 2hR1 attack. 2hR1 poise through anything below the GS class. What more do you desire?
>>337273486
I think he meant the weapon art.
>>337272461
Wasn't there a video detailing the situations where poise is active? As I remember it was during a roll and while taking a sip.
>>337265298
Good. We don't want faggots like you in our community.
>>337263180
>n-no we swear it works it's just really well hidden :)
If nobody could even figure out what it even DOES, which already rules out all the reasons people could want poise to begin with, doesn't that make it pretty fucking useless?
Assuming they aren't talking out of their ass and it doesn't do literally nothing, that is.
>>337273308
Well yeah sure, that I can agree with
Bringing back poise would do more harm than good though
>>337273467
>splitting the difference in a mid-tier weapon should outdamage defined investment weapons
Lol, no. That's just a side effect of From fucking up the upgrade system yet again, and the push for the idiotic huge SL meta which lets Qual players get both damage stats to softcap.
Quality worked best in DeS where it was the "I haven't gotten the weapon I want yet but need something to keep progressing" option.
>>337267867
So you rebalance and introduce other subtleties to poise. Like capping armor poise below a UGS 2H R1, and below most weapons' R2s. Or removing poise from neutral stance, so you have to be attacking, rolling, ie doing something to benefit from it. Or both. Then specialized builds might put iron flesh, perseverance, big mclargehuge unique attacks etc on top of that.
Don't just turn it off then lie that it's still there.
>>337273796
meant to reply >>337264280
>>337265805
>Sorry the game isn't casual enough for you.
Not him, but it's the lack of poise thats actually making PvP casual friendly. Fights boil down to -who gets the first hit gets 2 guaranteed hits after which the target rolls away and rinse and repeat.
DS3 PvP is a fucking joke compared to DS1, which I bet you think had bad PvP.
>>337273593
I used the Hollowslayer, Executioner's and Wolf Knight Greatsword in my first playthrough and in PvP and PvE the hyperarmor came so late in the swing it was pure luck to get a hit in against an aggressive enemy. It just feels like significantly less hyperarmor than the dedicated STR weapons get.
>>337272830
Worst choice rigth there
>mfw """"""""paladin"""""""" build with cathredal knight set
No face. It doesnt even reduce damage enough.
>>337273138
Everyone knows how good Hyper-armor is (although the attacks that use it are usually slow as fuck and easy to avoid). But there's no middle ground.
It's "use a giant weapon that grants hyper-armor to avoid being staggered" or "use the fastest thing with a decent range (short swords, estocs) to quickly stagger people."
Hell, the whole "guaranteed second hit" would be a great way to implement poise without it being broken. People with enough poise could recover and roll away after one hit, rather than getting staggered for 2. They're not unstoppable, they can just get away faster.
>>337273974
I nuse hollowslayer and I can say that it's hyperarmor is perfectly fine, I'd trade with UGS, straight swords, rapiers, everything fine.
I think you're just retarded, anon.
>>337273739
Not really. STR weapons already get hyperarmor, all poise would do is prevent Dex/Qual weapons from having free stunlock, which would benefit dual wield Dex weapons more than anything.
Poise would nerf Quality weapons pretty hard, but A: they need that and B: it's a situational stat.
>>337274176
It was my first character and I won't pretend I understood the hyperarmor system at that time, so it's possible I am completely retarded.
>>337274279
in general the hyper armor frames happen during the actual hit frames of your attack. hollowslayer's moveset is fast so I guess it can be difficult
>get hit once
>you are forced to get hit twice aswell
>only after that you can roll/parry/hit
Who thinks this is good design? Its worse than das1
>>337274178
Poise does more than that
It would enable poise stabs for example, making heavy weapons practically useless since you could just walk right through them for a backstab
It would make fights last fucking years because even now its ridiculously easy to dodge everything
It would change how the whole game feels, plays, and the entire meta scene
Its not just "lol some weapons would get nerfed"
>>337273690
I've never seen it, but I'd be interested.
Although that's pretty fucking dumb, if the points where poise come into play are only when the player is already mostly invincible or recovering tons of health.
>>337273752
>every other possible stat build is fine but if you do STR/DEX it should be shit LOL
Quality is fine as it is, if you invest in both of the physical damage stats and end up not having as many other stats like VIT, VIG, and END then you should have the highest physical damage possible.
That said, weapon balance is still fucked due to straight swords and such being way too good and other weapons not being good enough.
>>337266134
That edgy, edgy bait tho
>>337273690
During a roll was confirmed to be equip load, not poise.
Never heard of while taking a sippy or using other items.
>>337274447
Havel's armor doesn't actually give that big of bonuses, its primary advantage was the fact that you could poise through nearly every hit that wasn't a UGS or great hammer.
Now, a dual wielding dagger user can keep you in a stunlock indefinitely and theres nothing you can do about it
the lack of poise is what caused R1 spam fags to exist entirely because theres no consequence when greatswords stagger you as hard as a dark sword does, the darksword just does it 3 times as fast
>>337274447
The only reason this doesn't work well is because of killcombo WAs and the fact that STR weapons never drop R1 combos but DEX weapons inexplicably do.
I would be fine with Poise being gone if weapon combos made any kind of sense and had variety aside from R1>R1 or R1>L2>R2
>>337273690
I just tested the sip one with 70.41 poise
Still getting Staggered
>>337273705
>souls community
>>337274447
>get hit once
>you are forced to get hit twice as well
or
>get hit once
>opponent does L2 combo that hits 3 times and each hits procs bleed
>receive 1400 from the combo itself and the bleed does the remaining 300+ health
Yeah, shit game design.
>>337271756
Morne's is definitely an outlier. All other Ultra Strength weapons are absolutely fucked. Morne's, DSGA, and other hyper armor weapons are only viable because of how people are taking advantage of the lack of poise.
If they fixed it in any way it would fall back into relative obscurity, but until then I'm L2ing the fuck out of black knight glaives, exile greatswords, and warden twinbladers.
Does anyone knows how to turn on poise? Why those fags that made the youtube video don't release instructions or a mod for it?
>>337274523
Poise stabs were a product of DaS1 animations taking so long. In 3 if you actually give the enemy tine to punish an attack that hard, you fucked up.
The general pacing of fights is entirely a different issues and has nothing to do with Poise, yes Poise would exacerbate the problem but the problem is already there, rolling and healing being completely free actions stems from Bloodborne.
As for it changing the meta scene, good. Straightswords are factually superior to almost everything because of the bad stunlock system, and if it weren't for the fact that 99% of SS users are shitters the PvP would be as awful as DaS1's launch PvP. It NEEDS to be shaken up.
>>337274893
>All other Ultra Strength weapons are absolutely fucked.
This
A huge advantage of UGS's were the fact that if you ever got hit, you'd get stunned, it was a trade off for being super slow.
A darksword or an estoc even post patch still out performs every other weapon. I can't really say I've lost a battle to any greatsword user in a 1v1
BEST RING IN THE GAME
>>337263180
>Always played the tank/miracle bro in dark souls
>Tanking it out with some of the fiercest enemies in the game and even the gods.
>My heavy shield and Lance worked wonders
>Dks3 comes along
>What the fuck why am I not able to tank my enemies
>Why are miracles so shit
>Why are the boss weapons sbit
>Dex fags get everything now
Dark souls 3 is some of the worst trash in the souls series. Either you roll a Dex fast pussy little gilryboy character or you're pretty much nerfed to shit.
>>337274630
Except Vig and End are worthless thanks to no poise and quality weapons costing nothing stamina-wise, and Vig is irrelevant because of the stunlock and fucked up matchmaking system
So Quality just ends up being mathematically better at high SL with no drawback.
Quality shouldn't be shit, it just shouldn't be the top build, over builds that actually involve sacrificing more stats.
>>337275239
Just like how the pendant was the best starting item.
>>337275102
Healing in Bloodborne wasn't free
High end guns with high end BLT could easily do over 800 damage with a single ashed shot, and STR builds had the cannon
Straight Sword R1 spam is literally countered by havelstoc or hyper armour heavy weapons
I can do 900+ damage with 2 R1s while you hit me once for 350 damage max
So what has DS3 actually done right, mechanically?
Why is DS2 considered worse than 3?
>>337275413
You had to build around punishing healing in BB, or predict it off a retarded opponent.
In DaS3, there is no means of punishing Healing.
So you're right, they actually made it worse.
>>337275318
spiked mace is a top tier weapon with a 1300 incescapable damage combo, you stupid fatroller
>>337263180
>working as intended
but that is just a straight up lie
>>337263180
>it's not that we forgot to add posie and you gotta turn it on, it's actually situational
>the way it works is you have to use a weapon skill toturn poise on
gg from
>>337272830
Flattening enemies with a huge weapon is still good and satisfying, and even though poise is pretty shit the armor that gives you poise also gives good defense.
Miracles are fine too, you just don't get any especially amazing miracles but you still get solid options like Tears of Denial and Force is actually useful in this game because it knocks enemies on their ass and other stuff like Sunlight Blade or Sacred Oath or Deep Protection or Regeneration, etc.
these threads amaze me, it's just a bunch of people whining about something that they have no input in and can do nothing about.
what point is there in saying "oh From you're so stupid that you didn't make your game how I think it should be"?
Isn't poise in DS3 how hard you are to stagger mid-attack?
I thought it was obvious from just playing the game and doing a little testing here and there.
Also, magic helps fuckall in PvP aside from perhaps crystal homing soulmass. My second character is a mage and I nearly always need to resort to my Moonlight Greatsword but even then I'm shit out of luck because I'm just all around worse in melee combat stat-wise.
Plus it's even harder if you're the one invading and there's a bunch of guys spamming R1 on your ass. No way in hell you're getting even a single spell off, people have even awakened to using the seed too, now. So much for the asymmetrical PvP.
>>337275413
It only takes one good hit with an estoc or straight sword to go into the R1-R1 combo, and with the Estoc or Dark Sword I can outrange many STR weapons. Even if it's only 5-600 damage per 2 hit combo, it's FREE 5-600 damage that badically can't be punished with anything but a spear. And it costs me nothing to R1>R1>roll away as much as I want. AND I'm free to have a shield because of low weight and stat investments
>>337272830
It doesn't work anymore. Tanks class is nerfed to shit. And miracles are as well, good luck trying to tank in this game because faggots COMPLAINED too much about it.
I don't care that poise is worthless. Bloodborne was perfectly fine without it.
It bothers me that it's worthless AND they leave it in the game AND they lie that it was intended and not just lazy design.
>>337275327
That doesn't mean the quality build itself should be worse, that means poise and unbalanced short swords etc should be fixed.
>>337275808
No. Hyperarmor is either on or off and only exists on certain weapons. Poise does nothing.
>>337275318
>fat rolling
Yeah, no shit bro.
>>337275417
I'm pretty sure most of everyone agrees that DaS2 has the best PvP in the series for a variety of reasons. Maybe that'll change when From finally gets their shit together with DaS3.
>>337275569
>>337275935
That wasn't me
Poise promotes sloppy play and r1 mashing.
Hyperarmor promotes careful spacing and knowledge of your weapon.
It's a good thing Fromsoft saw the light.
Tears of poisefaggots are delicious.
>>337275923
Not talking about hyperarmor like during an Artorias Greatsword flip.
If you have poise you're harder to stagger while swinging your weapon. It's true.
>>337275803
>what's the point of calling people out on their bullshit. Just take it up the ass.
Reminder that bloodborne had the best staggering system.
>>337275908
Bloodborne is a different matter. You didn't have the options you have here.
>>337276012
>Dex boypussy
>>337275916
The only way to fix Quality weapons is to play with their damage values, if you change their range or make them drop combos they become irrelevant garbage like half the Dex weapons
>>337263180
Wasn't Kotaku ang Gawker going to go out of business?
>>337276027
No. It isn't. It's been tested and is easily demonstrable. With a weapon with no hyperarmor, like a straightsword, any attack will break you out of your swing, even with maximum poise. This has been tested by various groups since day 1.
It does NOTHING.
>>337276036
>what's the point of calling people out on their bullshit. Just take it up the ass.
Who are you calling out? where is the person from FromSoftware that you're speaking to? Where is the media outlet that is publishing your argument?
They're not here, you're just yelling at a wall and feeling smug about it. It's like watching a retard trying to hump a door knob.
>>337276012
>Tears of poisefaggots are delicious
this cringe is insane
>>337276284
Friendly reminder that Fromsoft only ported DaS1 to PC due to fan interest, unlike most companies they at least pretend to listen to their fans
"Never discuss issue with games" is idiotic.
>>337268323
It wasn't really a poise system but it was probably the best staggering system of the series.
>>337276027
There is no hyper armor in Artorias's greatsword flip. You can be knocked out of the air and stunned like any other animation because its just an animation, theres nothing special following it
>>337276426
My reiterpallasch unescapable R1 spam disagrees with you. BB was broken as shit
>>337264154
>lol, we put a number on a stat that doesn't do anything just to piss off /v/
>>337275908
Bloodborne not having poise was okay because the stun timings were so short
in 3, the stun timings last forever until you get hit again, and then they reset instantly
In Bloodborne it was almost impossible to get stunlocked because the stun timings just werent fucking there
>>337263180
Maybe it reduces how much stamina it takes away while blocking?
>>337275417
Weapon arts are cool in concept, but unfortunately a lot are underwhelming.
I like that MP returns and getting another estus flask for it, but it seems like a lot of (non-sorcery?) spells cost too much FP.
Lifegems being gone is better than how they were in Dark Souls 2, but they could have stayed as a more rare item instead of completely removing them.
Poise not working properly is complete garbage.
It's a mixed bag...
>tfw PvP shitters ruined dark souls
holy shit you guys are cancer
if I was autistic enough I would cheat online just to make you pay for what you've done to dark souls
>>337276578
In reality this is the problem
its a number stat in game that says it does something when really it does nothing at all. There are items specifically for this but they do literally nothing because the stat they buff does nothing.
There are people who probably haven't looked up online that Poise is unusable and they probably have "poise builds" only to be sadly disapointed to find out they don't work at all
>Poise returns
>Everyone just upgrades to the heaviest armor they can find and keep spamming that R1
>>337263287
Thanks mate.
>>337276843
This is why you don't play at SL120
>>337263180
I just feel like if i'm wearing full plate armor and i'm winding up to swing my sword that takes 3-5 business days to finish I shouldn't be interrupted by an undead with literally NO WEAPON brushing his hand against me.
>>337276106
I would be fine with them doing that and not fucking over other legitimate quality builds in the process.
>>337266229
So you just gave them money for 1 and 3 then plus probably dlc? Yeah, jokes on them totally.
>>337276927
This is why DS1's pvp was utter garbage
>>337276843
R1 spamming is a thing because there is no poise
there is no difference between a greatsword and a darksword now, they stun the same and the darksword stuns far more often
>>337277048
If he's a PC player he probably got the game for $5 and didn't spend any money on DLC.
>>337277132
>what is hyper armor
fucking jesus christ, learn how to use it
if and when you see your opponent attack, go for 2 hits, always. And you will get those 2 hits because hyper armor
>>337275417
Oh yeah, and hexes being downplayed along with pyromancy REQUIRING stats to cast pyromancies is dumb; it should've been like Dark Souls 2.
>>337276843
>Poise returns in a way that's actually different and more situational
>Provides an advantage without letting you just ignore hits
Whatever Poise does now, it's so negligible people are questioning it's existence. I like the idea of poise being different, but not it being useless.
>>337277048
Yeah, pretty much this >>337277285
>>337277059
I wish. I remember trying to make a build with havel's and those painting guardian swords for max possible DPS but people had enough poise to regain control after a few hits and parry the fuck out of me.
>>337277301
>just use hyper armor that only lasts for a few seconds
>just trade the hits!
no this is fucking stupid, its not a cure and its completely derived out of shit design. I shouldn't have to cast hyper armor every single fucking time just to get the buff over a darksword swinging faggot. There is literally NO reason to use greatswords because things like darkswords exist
>>337277285
If that is the case I don't think from or anyone else would care if he didn't support them then.
>>337263180
>only 7 incidences of "kotaku"
this place really has gone downhill
>>337267575
or lit. any other souls game who knows man!!!!!!!! WHO KNOWS MAN!!!!!!!
>>337277301
>greatsword does as much damage in 2 hits as this fucker got in 3 because thats how long it took me to "trade" hits with him
>>337275808
>not using Great Farron Dart
>not using Crystal Hail
>not using regular Soulmasses instead of Crystal ones
>not using Great Deep Soul
>not using Dark Edge
>using the shittiest rendition of the MLGS
You need to work on your sorcerer game, friend. I do perfectly fine in regular invasions and in fight clubs. You just need different setups in each one.
>>337277449
You get 1 hit in, while I tank through it and stun you for 2 hits
I don't see the issue.
>>337277626
No you don't shitter. Watch this video. >>337272597
>>337276668
I backstep to get out of stuns and works great.
>>337277626
>you get one hit then another!
>but you took 4 in the mean time and he did more damage regardless
