What do they look like under the armour?
Are they Hollow?
Naked
>>337260805
This answers his general body type, but I could've guessed he was like that since he's even able to wear that fucking huge armor. Doesn't answer what his face looks like or if he and smalls are Hollow.
>>337260643
This, also why is smoughs armor Desinged to be for a fat guy if he is smaller? Are they even human?
>>337260947
I always assumed they were part of the illusion Gwyndolin cast, and that they left Anor Londo at the same time everyone else did. I'm sure there are some resident lore autists around here that can tell you for sure though.
>>337261179
It's basically because Smough is batshit crazy. Dude eats bones for no reason.
>>337261368
Not a lore autist, but I thought they were also tricked by the illusion.
The head on smough isnt his head
His eyes are the holes on the neck
>>337261642
Specifically, the slits directly under his chin. Not the eye shaped holes below that.
>>337260643
They are not human so wouldn't go hollow. Hollowing is a lack of humanity something they do not have or need.
>>337261368
Ds3 might confirm that Orns was an illusion and smough wasn't. At least it said something along the lines of Smough being the last knight to guard anor londo or something.
Smough is real. He's a guard guarding the cathedral.
Ornstein is an illusion made by gwyndolin
He puts all his power into ornstein's illusion making him a tough enemy, leaving the illusion of gwynevere weaker.
They're not hollow. If they were they would fight each other
>>337261982
Hollows don't just blindly fight other hollow though do they? I mean, all the nameless Hollow mooks just stand around.
The Abyss Watchers don't find each other because they're Hollow, they fight each other because they all share a soul and want it to themselves.
>>337261530
Specifically, he grinds up bones into his food. Marrow parmesan, hmmmm.
>Gods
>Hollow
They dry out as the get old like Nameless King but that's it.
>>337262172
>>337261982
Aren't hollows drawn to humanity, or is that just a piece of headcanon I've made up at some point? It does make sense why they all only attack you instead of others.
>>337262734
I think so. Hollow mindlessly attack people on the suspicion they have Humanity.
>>337262709
I thought Gwyn was hollow at the end of DaS1
Why does anor Londo have so many demons?
>>337260643
>>337260643
Relatives?
Smough is probably a giant IMO
Ornstein was probably a human that increased in size when he got some of Gywn's soul
neither are illusions, you get their actual soul depending who you kill last
>>337261530
>not getting all dat calcium for dem gainz
It would be more disrespectful to dispose of the bones instead of consuming them.
>>337263927Overdrive
>>337261368
smough was real, ornstein wasn't. Smough stayed to guard Anor Londo to the bitter end instead of leaving with everyone else.
I bet he just wanted to smash that boypussy
>>337264071
Ornstein is definitely from the 'god' race, same as Gwyn because Occult deals extra damage to him. Occult does nothing to Smough.
>>337264071
I thought Smough had his size magically increased, based on the fact that when he dies the magic goes to Ornstein.
>>337262709
Gwyn and Nameless kings are Hollows. Hollows are just the term used to define being that used to have a soul but don't anymore. Gwyn offered his soul to burn to the Kiln, no idea why the fuck Nameless is Hollow too, but he definitely looks the part.
>>337264539
Ornstein just increases in size because he's an illusion
>>337264385
Unless occult does more damage because ornstein is gyndolyns illusion and in a sense an extension of Gwynn.
Also why are there beds in anor Londo? Who's rooms are they?
>>337260947
>>337261368
>>337260805
Maybe these here are slits for his eyes?
>>337264641
That's my point though. I thought the size increasing magic was Gwyndolin's doing, so when Smough dies, the power is just transferred into the illusive Ornstein instead and when Ornstein dies, his damaging power goes to Smough.
>>337264385
Could be a "god"
Could also be a god due to being given a part of a god's soul
Same thing, I guess. Same with Artorias. 4 Kings were probably large humanoids before being corrupted by the Abyss, like Ornstein.
>>337264702
There used to have people here you know, they just left over time.
I think it's also said that unless something is really tall, the regular enemies you fight who just happen to be bigger than you are like this for gameplay purpose, they're not meant to be a different size than you.
>>337264775
Gough can "see" just fine, even though his helmet blocks vision
Smough is probably the same
>>337264775
Yeah like a frog helmet with a false visage.
>>337264871
I'm guessing Ornstein is as tall as you first meet him.
He's quite larger than other humans.
>>337264940
4 kings were explicitly human
>>337264775
Maybe he's actually a tall dwarf and the nipples are the eye slits. He just peeks through the nipple that is appropriate in the moment.
That is my theory.
>>337265137
>Gough can "see" just fine, even though his helmet blocks vision
He is 100% blind. Just use the no sound dragon ring and he wont be able to find you as long you dont hit him
>>337265329
Yeah, but he can still behave as if he can see, as long as you make noise.
Smough might be the same, but you can't tell as the fight includes Ornstein.
>>337265585
I think you could probably spawn Smough alone in debug mode, right?
>>33726094
They're giants of londo, they can get corrupted by the abyss, but they can't go hollow.
Also there are no official profiles, so there's no telling what their faces look like, and you should stop being such a prick, you asked what they look like under the armor, not what they look like under the helmet, what someone looks like, and what their face looks like are not the same thing, especially when asking about armored figures in fiction.
>>337260805
why would a dude wear a fatass armor when he is ripped as fuck
>>337261368
>>337261538
Ornstein was an illusion, he left long ago, probably in search of Artorias. That's why you encounter him in both Drangleich and Lothric. Meanwhile Ornstein did not leave, according to some item descriptions he was the last giant of Londor in all of Lordran.
>>337266317
So is the Ornstein in DS2 non-canon fan pandering shit like getting Solaire's set from Pump-a-Rump?
>>337266317
Anon, I think you should go to bed.
Sleep tight.
So Ornstein is like Boba Fett now? Too cool to be killed the first time?
>Liked DaS3, but don't want to go to NG+
>Decide to play a new character in DaS
>Died four. Fucking. Times against the Gaping Dragon
>Including one when he was 1 hit away from death when all I had was a shitty +2 longsword.
>>337266206
easily answered, to lure your opponents into a false sense of security
also why i love the catarina set, because "what could this fat onion probably do?"
>>337266206
So that hot undead bitches squirt all over the place and crawl all over his three foot cock when the armor breaks off.
>>337266736
how
>Dark Souls comic could've been about Sulyvahn's rise to power
>About Gwyndolyn's meeting with Yorshka
>About Ornstein's quest to find the Firstborn
>About Yhorm's happy days with Siegward
>Even about fucking Greirat and Loretta
>Instead we got some bitch """""knight"""", a guy wearing Solaire armor which is literally the only way people can know for sure we're in a Dark Souls comic, and a guy named Aldricht
Fuck that.
>>337266736
>died
>against the gaping dragon
Shit, anon. I think you really need to git gud.
>>337266859
Got hit by an exploding knee of death, mostly. The first time he jumped I forgot he could actually follow me so he landed on my face.
>>337266736
heheh... g-great joke anon..
heh... hm...
>>337266479
>So is the Ornstein in DS2 non-canon fan pandering shit like getting Solaire's set from Pump-a-Rump?
What? I just said "That's why you encounter him in both Drangleich and Lothric"
Him traveling is canon, so him appearing in different places can't be considered as non-canon unless specifically stated otherwise by the devs, which they'll never say.
Also how is Solaire's set from crow non-canon? The crow itself is canon, anything it trades you can be considered as coming into its possession, with Solaire quite possibly being dead for centuries there's nothing canon-breaking about the crow having his armor. Especially since DS3 confirmed Solaire had no real power whatsoever and was an actual human.
>>337266736
I died five times against the gaping dragon.
but it was my first souls game, on my first playthrough of the game, and I was cursed, so any hit killed me.
>>337266206
well hes an executioner, not a knight. He wants to look intimidating
>>337267239
Because you kill him in the Cathedral but his armor set somehow ends up at Archdragon Peak? And also because he's switched to dark magic.
>>337266759
>false sense of security
the fat armor is 10x more scary than generic knight armor
seriously, the fake head and fat armor freaks me the fuck out
>>337266736
>thread asking how many times you died to DaS3 bosses
>everyone saying 0 or 1 for each boss
>already 15+ on Abyss Watchers
>>337267535
What part gives you trouble anon? It's one of the few bosses I'd recommend keeping some distance with because his charge attack are usually ok to dodge.
>>337267451
he is still a knight, just not the elite 4 knights of Gwyn
you wouldn't let someone who is not a knight guard the royal's chamber
>>337267535
Don't worry anon they were probably level 50 because they grinded with co-op and PVP15 times though?
>Ornstein abandons his post to find Nameless King
>Nameless King proceeds to stomp him
What a cuck
>>337267535
anon these are not hard games, your post is telling me you either didn't grow up playing hard as fuck NES/DOS games as a child, making you a casual who doesn't belong here, or maybe you have a brain disorder and have the reaction time of a sloth.i died 6 times on the nameless king but everything else was 1 death at the most to learn the moveset, the games being billed as extra hard games only applies to people who have not honed their skills playing tough vidya for 2 decades or more
>>337267698
his hammer description confirms this. but still, he was an executioner and was probably made a knight when things went to shit. his armor also represents his gluttonous and cruel nature, I think that's a good enough explanation
>>337267535
Generally most anons don't reply to those questions unless they're tryhards, lie or go for bragging rights, because it's normal to die a crapton.
>>337267931
>it's normal to die a crapton
Speak for yourself.
>>337267535
I've probably died a total of 15 times to Abyss Watchers between the two characters I've played. I don't keep a death counter so I'm not sure. Fume K***ht was honestly easier due to not being so fast-paced, even in his second phase.
>>337267754
>cuck
>Orn asked his good friend and tutor to return to Anor Londor, it having been moved, and the infliltration of Pontiff Sully was corrupting the place
>The Nameless King, still angered by his exile challenges him to a duel
>Ornstein cannot best his closest friend
>He's also lost his knightly brother and compatriots of Gough and Ciaran who never returned after looking for Artorias
Ornstein... Had a hard life.
>>337264632
I don't think nameless is hollow because he grieves when his bird dies
>>337267931
>because it's normal to die a crapton.
Literally just hang back until you've learned their moveset. Git gud.
>In the age of ancients, everyone was hollow
>Hollows are actually immortal
>A few of the humans found the lord souls and became lords
>Meanwhile, the furtive pygmy finds the dark soul
>He passes it on to all his descendants (the humans)
>Every human after that had a fragment of the dark souls inside them, giving them their humanlike appearance and their sanity
>During the age of fire, death is permanent and the dark souls fragments (humanity) are trapped inside their physical bodies
>As the first flame fades, humanity is free to leave their bodies and float around in ethereal form
>They leave their physicial bodies behind as non-sentient shells, as they once were before the age of fire.
>The darksign actually brands everyone, but stays dormant when the age of fire is in its prime
>The undead curse is actually just humanity returning to its true form, leaving hollows behind
Is this correct?
>>337268121
>>337268316
I'll play however I want really. I'm not particularly good at games in general and I don't want to clock a hundred hours just to learn a moveset or figure out a weakness of a boss through suicide charges with different weapons. If I die I failed, who gives a shit. It's a game.
>>337268245
Ciaran abandoned her life as the Lord's Blades, but what about Gough? Dude was just chilling shooting the occasional calamity dragon. I don't see how Gough couldn't have visited either of them.
>>337266206
because he was a cannibalistic executioner
it fits his character
>>337268457
>If I die I failed, who gives a shit. It's a game.
wow that's absolutely embarrassing how casual you really are
>3 tries on the butterfly
>6 tries on iron golem
>8 tries on ceaseless discharge
>beat these faggots on the 2nd try
No fucking clue, I guess I just need room to run around.
>>337268457
Yeah just forget it, confine yourself to petty excuses and pathetic delusions.
>>337268457
>hundred hours
Takes a minute or two to get the hang of it. Less time than you take dying over and over again.
>>337260947
They aren't Human, they're of the "lord" race. Therefore they are not undead.
>>337261368
Not everyone in Anor Londo is an illusion, most of the silver knights exist in night Anor Londo.
>>337268121
>>337268316
>hurr hurr I'm so good at the game I've NEVER died to a boss stop being so bad
The whole point of the series is that eventually something is going to catch you off-guard and kill you, and you'll learn from experience to not do that thing. Stop acting so high and mighty.
>>337268310
Should've worded that better, Nameless King is Undead, but not yet Hollow.
>>337268401
maybe
>>337268582
>8 tries on ceaseless discharge
Alright now that's just sad.
>>337260643
They are godkin and not descendants of manus, thus do not go hollow.
>>337268637
>being this triggered because one person in the entire world is better at one video game than you are
it must be suffering to be you
>>337268575
>>337268586
Man, Dark Souls was a mistake. Cancerous, tryhard fanbase. Funny how Demon's is my second favourite game of all time.
>>337265720
Is the debug build even available anywhere? It was up on steam only for a short time.
>>337268786
I'm more than likely just as good as you are, friendo.
>trying to prove your superiority on an anonymous imageboard
>>337268637
Never said I haven't died from a boss. Just that I don't die over and over again to them, because I do something else than blindly rush them. The games themselves aren't difficult. They vary between the tedious slaughtering of boring mobs and simple learning of enemy movesets and patterns.
>>337268786
He's a different anon
>>337266317
>Ornstein was an illusion, he left long ago, probably in search of Artorias.
Doesn't his armor indicate he was in search of the firstborn?
>>337269001
It's not just blind rushing that causes death, making mistakes is human nature. Like I said, the whole game is about learning from mistakes. It doesn't matter if it takes 2 deaths or 12.
>>337269043
ehhh time illusion hazy multiple dimensions lore canon miyazaki a team something something vaati
hope that explains it
>>337263151
So if a hollow kills you and takes your humanity he turns back into a human?
>>337268947
ok
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s0WlFd7vHtk
>>337269258
it's too late for that once you've completely lost it
Guys, i found something
you remember ash lake in dark souls 1? there was a cut in half archtree
you couldnt reach it, but it was pretty visible and close to the island you walk through to get to the stone dragon
the half of the tree that fell when it got cut is right next to it, in this position \ however a bit more leaning torwards its treestump half
almost making it a bridge from the lake to the treestump
now, in dark souls 3, when youre about to finish the game, you must travel to "kiln of the first flame", an ugly place indeed but theres something interesting about it, it has a big fucking "arena" where you fight the soul of cinder
this arena is nothing but an ash floor, but when you see whats below it when looking at it from the bonfire, you can see some TREE STUMP-LIKE structure holding all that ash
AND the way to get to the arena is crossing a small hill of what looks like ash with structures below it, this hill is in this position \
see the similarities?
>>337269326
>implying you're actually that guy
ok
>>337268401
Could be, or it's possible that the dark sign is artificially designed to force humanity away from humans. The darksign links you to the flame and makes you virtually immortal, but your humanity starts to leave you and you become hollow.
To fight this, you have to specifically burn your humanity to reverse the hollowing, but this also reverses the abyss and sustains the flame.
Because of this, I think it was a concoction of the gods to force humanity to rid themselves of humanity to sustain the flame.
>>337269435
and here comes the backpedaling and damage control
>>337269326
Yeah OK that's totally you anon
You're not a lying shitter or anything
>>337269429
Got any pic? That's cool.
>>337269515
>n-nobody could ever be better than me at video games! NOBODY!!!!!
>>337269510
>>337269616
Again
>trying to prove your superiority on an ANONYMOUS image board
No one actually thinks you're the guy unless you show some proof you fucking troglodyte.
>>337269210
What kind of mistakes exactly are we talking about? I can't remember any such situation in the game.
>>337260643
They're illusions
>>337269786
Rolling too early, too late, being too greedy in your swings, etc.
>>337269686
do you want me to stream it or something?
>>337269564
i cant take screenshots just now, but heres ash lake and how the cut part of the tree is leaning
>>337269326
fuckin super sick videos, subbed to your YT and followed you on twitch. glad to see someone with skill putting this reddit casuals in their place
>>337269686
>>337269616
>>337269515
>>337269510
>>337269435
>>337269326
>implying that's you
Anyway, whooooo fucking gives two fucking shits and who should give a shit. Seriously, the fucking Dark Souls fanbase has become a circlejerk of "git gud xD" and massive, cancerous fucking faggot tryhard instead of a group of retards trying to enjoy a hard game. Utterly fucking pathetic. The franchise should've ended at Demon's Souls, jesus fucking christ.
>>337269861
>Rolling too early, too late
The invisibility frames too big for that, especially if you put any points in the stats. Or maybe I've just gotten used to it by playing Warband, but I've never had any issues dodging swings.
>being too greedy in your swings, etc.
That's just the start of the learning curve, when you figure out the combat system.
>>337260643
someone post the pic of smough under the armor
he's not even actually fat, he's buff as fuck
>>337269994
Just take a screenshot of your fucking channel options or some shit, I don't know it shouldn't be that hard for you to prove.
>>337270068
>The invisibility frames too big for that, especially if you put any points in the stats
none of the stats affect iframes except in the non-canon B-team spin off
>>337268818
>>337270057
i dont think either of you played demons souls or were here for demons souls threads, because they were full of people laughing if you had trouble with easy bosses, like maneaters. pic fucking related, you immigrants.
>>337269787
>herp derp it is all a illusion herp derp
Why Dark Souls lore is so retarded?
>>337270057
>>337270180
Good. Wasn't sure what it's like in DS3 since I haven't played it yet. Never raised ADP in DS2 and never had any issues with it.
>>337270151
literally the first reply
>>337267535I died 30+ times to Sentinels in DaS2. Everything else was 0-3 though
>>337270226
Hey... Man-eaters were stressful.
>>337270305
don't post in a dark souls thread if you've never even played the latest game retard
>>337270398
they really weren't if you had played any sort of difficult video game before dark souls, even modern stuff like ninja gaiden or devil may cry on dante must die is ten times harder than anything in any souls game.
>>337269995
Ash Lake really was the comfiest location
>>337270392
What the fuck did you do to die so many times?
>>337270501
Why not? I don't mind being spoilered.
>>337270542
>i am too poor to own a PS3 but i watched someone beat maneaters on youtube so that makes me an expert
kek
>>337270591
>huge angry fucking hydra roaring and jumping around, spitting water at you
>crabs and mushrooms trying to kill you
i don't think you know what the word "comfy" means
>>337260643
Smough is probably MC Hammer
Ornstein is probably Lebron James.
>>337264775
If that is actually the eye slits then I gotta give props to fromsoft for that tiny attention to detail because I've never noticed that.
>>337270687
what was the point of your post? i have the original chinese import demon's souls.
>>337266736
Just bait him into charging headlong into a wall, hit his leg, repeat
>>337270649
>>>/reddit/
fuck off loser. your opinions on dark souls are invalidated due to being too poor to play the best game in the series
>>337270649
Sentinels are impossible to me without a shield.
>>337270842
I'm studying for my uni entrance exams though, so I've kept myself from buying it so I don't waste too much time. I just spend a few hours shitposting before bed.
>>337270936
>without a shield
You can dodge, you know.
>>337271007
>i'm too poor and underaged to play video games but here's my uninformed opinion
laffo
redditors never change
>>337265137
>Gough can "see"
Gough is blind, m8. He can't see shit.
>>337269429
>Dark Souls 3's kiln of the first flame is ugly
Bitch what? I disagree. I think that area was one of the more beautiful area's in the game. There were small patches of flowers blooming and they were a cindery, flamey color. The flowers were the only living things in the entire arena and they looked like small, blooming pockets of flame.
Does anyone even play DaSI anymore? I just did a run completely unhollowed and didn't run into a single invasion.
I was finally able to fight Chester's phantom in township since previously I would be invaded within 30secs of going human.
>>337271007
>uni entrance exams
are you not aware that 4chan is a website for NEETs?
NEET = Not in Employment, Education, or Training
Perhaps you should try another website suited for people like yourself, like Reddit
>>337271007
I hate to admit but I'm a terrible player.
>>337270542
Demon's Souls was praised and raged at (and still is) for being a hard game. Yell casual and "git gud XDDD" as much as you want, the general impression from most random fags is that it's a hard game. Maneaters like most bosses are hard until you know what to do. For the longest time I used the fog gate glitch to kill them.
>>337270591
It felt too lonesome to be comfy. Most locations were like that though but Ash Lake wasn't comfy to me.
>>337270773
I just noticed it myself and cropped the pic. The more I look the more they look like eye slits and I think I'll buy into that idea. I mean, his armour is too distorted for me to believe that the helmet is really the shape of his head and face.
>>337271221
I tried going to other sites, but they said I was too "assburger" for them. Do you know what that means?
>>337271335
it's a shitty meme from south park
>>337271204
Ever since DaS 3 came out DaS 1 has about a 1 to 2k increase in average player count on PC, likely because of new people wanting to play the series in order.
>>337262172
I thought that they fight each other because the dark corrupted them, so they are constantly fending off the legionnaires who are turned feral while they themselves are waiting to go feral.
>>337271297
To be honest he might've been deformed. I've noticed that the only characters in the Souls games that are "cannibals" (which I'm quite certain are Maneater Mildred, the Butchers, Aldrich, and Smough. Correct me if there are any more.) are typically extremely large and grotesque and they ALL hide their faces. So it wouldn't be too far fetched to say that Smough was quite deformed as well. But I'd still say that those are eye slits for sure.
did everybody die all of a sudden
>>337267535
Abyss watchers were legit ez, though. They will fight themselves for the first part, though you'll have to put in some work. The second part is just an easier to read Maria with less damage.
>>337267535
>beat most bosses on my first try during my first playthrough
>die a stupid amount of times when i come back on my second
what's wrong with me?
>>337272539
THE SAME THING HAPPENED TO ME!! I only died to Aldrich, Wolnir, Soul of Cinder, and a few others but I only died once if at all to any of the bosses except Soul of Cinder who took me a few tries.
Second playthrough I got stuck on the Abyss Watchers... -_-
>>337261179
Of course they're not humans
>>337272539
I know how that feels anon.
>almost beat Aldrich on my first try without drinking estus
>get surprised by his tracking arrows and die
>fight him again
>eat shit like 6 times without even reaching half of his health
>>337271505
How come I couldn't find anyone in Steam? Does DSfix not allow me to play online?
I was able to make signs, but I saw zero orange signs anywhere. Maybe I should try invading
>>337273826
No idea, I was getting invasions quite often.
