So what are your thoughts on Overwatch now that the beta has ended.
Bastion needs some kind of adjustment
Cooldown on transforming? A spin up or spin down on his gatling gun? Slower self repair?
I don't fucking know. Maybe a rework is in order
>>337245806
Just fucking get good for fucks sake he is so easy to counter if you know what you are doing
>>337246073
The problem isn't that he's hard to kill. It's that his toolset is out of line. How much else in this game are you absolutely forced to counter in X way, as opposed to everyone else having X, Y, and Z counters, and generally shit you can overcome by out skilling the opponent
>>337245806
>be Genji
>hop out of cover
>Bastion wants to unload on me
>press E
>watch him kill himself
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>>337245665
Good game but not much depth. The depth is in how combine the characters.
So unless you got friends, which I don't, the game won't have any staying power.
DON'T REPLY
THIS THREAD IS BAIT
THERE ARE ALREADY 5 OTHER OVERWATCH THREADS
SAGE
Meh. Not worth the 40$ paywall. Maybe 20.
>>337246073
you say this because all youve played against are bastions who are in the front lines like idiots
once you see a bastion hiding in the back of a cp with several teammates in front of him including some sort of support youll change your mind (assuming you dont get stuck in the shit tier elo)
Scrub Watchers: Only kill bad kids
>Bastion
>Torbjorn
>Mei
Meme Picks: Only picked by women and casuals
>Lucio
>Tracer
>Winston
>Captain CoD
Useless: People pick them but I will never understand why
>Widowmaker
>Genji
>Zarya
>Hanzo
>Reaper
One Trick Pony: 1 Move all they need baby
>D.Va
>Roadhog
Actually Good: Pick these to win, have at least one in the pocket
>Junkrat
>Mercy
>Pharah
>Reinhardt
>Symmetra
>McCree
>>337246198
There are at least 3 characters that any braindead player can counterpick to take down a Bastion.
Do some characters have more counters than other? Of course.
Does every character have a counter? Yes.
>>337245665
Fun but I'm serious need of some balancing.
90% of the characters are just gimmicky and dumb, and aren't worth using at all.
Maps are pretty boring.
Won't be buying it cause all my friends will be playing it on xbone and I don't own one.
>>337246198
Are you really implying Bastion only has one counter?
Very fun game but very flimsy content wise for 40 bucks.
I'd say buy it at a discount or on one of those key sites.
>>337246384
You are a fucking retard
Even if Bastion can be countered I think they need to change his fundamentals around. When I started playing the beta I was convinced I'd buy the full game but near the end of the beta my interest sort of fizzled out.
>>337246384
That's pretty much the stupidest tier list I've seen regarding this game. And I've seen a lot.
I trust Blizzard to balance this game, they are excellent at that.
If one character is too fun, instead of making the others better they will destroy that fun character until everyone is the same boring character.
>>337245665
I'm having hard time for these 2 weeks. It was a long time when i last time had so much fun in any game.
>>337246350
>TEAMWORK IS OP
A well placed hanzo, junkrat or maybe even D.VA ult can clear out a CP easily.
>>337246561
found the Mei player
>>337246701
That's just modern game design if we're being honest.
Play fighting games if you want everyone else buffed to match the strong characters. Actually just play fighting games if you want the ONE genre where the developers don't assume their core is retarded.
Just release it, i can't take this, game is so good!
>>337245665
TF2.1, would consider playing it if it were free, but full price is absurd.
>>337245665
Honestly the amount of time i played the beta would be how long i'd play the full game. It lacks content, still a fun little arcade game if anything
>>337246384
>explains his choices
>>337246561
>>337246678
>namecalling and shitflinging
>>337246845
It might be common practice now, but Blizzard are the masters of it.
>>337246290
>>337246341
>>337246479
>>337246551
>>337246619
>>337246701
>>337246769
Please leave and never come back
>Praising the game
>Little bit of miscontent so that people look past it
>All the same format
>All pretty much saying "I like this game but..."
>Trying to spark discussion to further advertise this game
/v/ has turned me into a tinfoil hat but it's literally right here in these posts
>>337246384
Have you ever played the game? Next time at least play for an hour before making a post like that.
How is Widowmaker?
pretty good, but some characters are horribly overpowered
>>337246902
>>337246924
>>337246936
The ride never ends
>>337247027
>>337247041
>more baseless assumptions and childish dismissals
>still no actual refutation
>>337247050
I find her to be the easiest hero next to bastion. I enjoy playing her but god damn I've had silly plays of the games almost as many times as I've seen Bastion with potg
great amount of polish and an overall fun game
but i can see myself getting bored of it very quickly because there isn't much to the game
it's not worth the price
but at least the price will keep the children and russians out of it
>>337247050
A good widow is slightly too strong, a bad widow is worthless.
>>337247027
I literally said the game isn't worth the fucking money they're asking. How exactly do you interpret that as marketing?
>>337247240
Because /v/ has become so paranoid that we're eating ourselves alive.
Being anonymous is our greatest ally and our biggest weakness
>>337245806
I'm getting a lot of use out of this picture.
>>337247027
Maybe there are no shills and lots of people just think that the game is okay but lacks content and isn't worth what they're asking?
Wouldn't that be a trip?
>>337247240
HOW DO I KNOW THAT
YOU COULD BE ONE OF THEM
>>337246274
>he stops shooting the moment you use E
>immediately starts shooting you again
what now huh
Judging by all the threads on /v/ it might become the next huge game. In both popularity and esports.
All my friends are talking about it aswell even the ones who dont play FPS games have been caught by the hype.
>>337247337
I dunno man. I agree, there's a lot of marketers around, spamming threads and such but this paranoia is getting out of hand. And funny enough, shill threads do spark discussions and that's not necessarily a bad thing.
>>337245665
>Tfw Bastion was the first hero I played
>Loved the fuck out of him
>See a bunch of people just camping turret mode
>Start hating Bastion because of this
>Refuse to play him because of it
>Last day of the beta comes around
>Fuck it I'll play him
>Have a bunch of fun
>Don't abuse the turret mode
>Use it as and when needed
>Still do better than the camping bastion on our team
He's a fucking great character, it's a shame that people only use turret mode to camp and be cheesy when he's incredibly versatile in most situations without turret mode.
>>337247174
some of your list is right, but the biggest one you miss on is Lucio. In conjunction with a Mercy, lucio provides a large amount of utility in the form of movement speed, and additional aoe healing when needed, as well as a strong ultimate. Most "pro" teams run Lucio and Mercy 100% of the time for this reason.
>>337247446
>5 overwatch threads active at all times
>The first 10-20 replies are always the same
>Every time the thread goes past page 5 10 new replies
It would be one hell of a trip
>>337247372
Once bastion sees you and you don't see him, you are pretty much dead and his range is ridiculous, so you are always at an disadvantage when fighting him.
>>337247687
You actually actively monitor every overwatch thread?
Fuck that's a bit sad tbqh
>>337247668
Mercy is 100x better than Lucio. He will fall out of usage as people catch on.
Unless you make Lucio outheal Mercy(which would be stupid) OR the more radical choice: Swap their ults
Give Mercy an AoE shield effect. Give Lucio an AoE resurrection
>>337246384
Your "Actually Good" picks ARE the fucking meme picks you mongloid.
I think it was a great game.
The people who complain about Bastion are literally faggots who expect to be able to walk in front of him and kill him.
They are COD/Halo/TF2 players who just are too incompetent to counter a fucking immobile turret.
>>337247560
>it's a shame that people only use turret mode to camp and be cheesy when he's incredibly versatile in most situations without turret mode.
Of all the retarded shit I have seen said about bastion, this has to be the worst.
>>337247908
if you're only picking 1 healer, yes Mercy is better, but a good team comp will have both until nerfs, etc. Mercy is there for the big emergency heals, and Lucio is there for triage aoe when needed
>>337247876
HOLY SHIT, golden eye 007 had a black twin??
Best character coming through
>>337245665
Fun/10
>tfw listening to Stains of time and sneaking up behind the enemy team with Genji
>pop Ultimate and go to town.
Shit is cash needs to come out sooner.
>Elder god tier
Aussie Joker
>God tier
Clint Eastwood
Mrs. Fries
Asthma Boar
>Great Tier
Spider-Woman
Donkey Kong
Rufio
Dark Souls Boss
Healslut
>Good tier
Samus
Weeaboo
>Meh tier
Gh4nd1
Edgelord
Gamer gurl
>Bad tier
Teleporter
>Kill yourself tier
Dwarf Fortress
Weeabow
Badstion
Mary Pop-ins
SJBubble-You
>>337247560
Good Bastions don't really sit at a spot for more than maybe 10 seconds, they constantly switch locations and then fuck up your whole team with the rapemode ult
Pro's
+Visually it looks pleasing,great art style
+Blizzard magic is at hand and Overwatch can run on potato powered systems
+Great UI that minimizes a lot of the fluff that's not needed for the type of game that it is.Easy to navigate
Con's
-Hero roster is mostly uninspired or carbon copies of heroes and abilities from other games.Most notably Team Fortress 2
-Playing on Epic isn't that much better than playing on High or Ultra settings.
-Maps are bland and uninspired compared to other games.There's no game defining map here so far.
-Music is a generic orchestral soundtrack,nothing special.The only track you'll remember is the piece leading up to the play of the game,which 9 times out of 10 features Bastion
-There needs to be more map objectives and game types to make it stand out from the crowd.
+/-Solo and Party queue times were short to non-existent during the beta.This will change at release,for better or for worse
Overall I had fun with the beta when I played with friends or when other anons communicated in game.It's great for when you only have 30-60 minutes of vidya in your day,however anything after that feels hollow and empty
>>337247893
But I don't
Thats the thing
>tfw blizzard is going to cave into all the noobies and casuals complaining about bastion
>>337247372
>Pretending bastion is a stationary target
>Pretending bastion is never covered by a Reinhardt and healed by a mercy
>Pretending bastion will always be out in the open
>Pretending a player will always run right at bastion
>Pretending every map has dozens of flank routes
>>337247876
Nigger once any class sees you and you don't see them you're at a disadvantage, Bastion is an offensive Builder, he has high damage and range just like Hanzo and Widowmaker, and to a lesser extent Torbjorn, he just has slightly different counters.
Official, irrefutable list of characters categorized by type, listed in order of usefulness on your team. I have created this list with a team of experts, if you disagree you have autism
>Offense
Pharrah
McCree
Tracer
Genji
Soldier 76
Weaper
>Defensive
Junkrat
Bastion
Mei
Widowmaker
Hanzo
Torbjorn
>Tank
Reinhardt
Roadhogg
D.VA
Zarya
Winston
>Support
Mercy
Lucio
Zenyatta
Symmetra
>>337248082
Oh I see what you're seeing there, but 2 healers is a crutch and going to fall out of style once people start REALLY playing their classes/mechanics up. This isn't my first competitive game and definitely not my last and you see these types of strats early on ALWAYS.
Heroes that can displace other heroes are going to reign supreme.
>>337248804
Torbjorn needs to be top tier defense and it's pretty good.
>Master Tier
Genji
Roadhog
Lucio
Mercy
Reinhardt
Widowmaker
Tracer
>Weab-bat Tier
Dva
Hanzo
Mei
>Useful in most situations
McCree
S76
Junkrat
>2edgy2bgud tier
Reaper
Bastion
Tjorb
>Skill Required Tier
Hanzo
Pharah
Winston
>Barely fucking useful Tier
Symmetra
Dva
Zarya
>>337247541
Swift strike out of there and look for a way to flank him while deflect recharges, or just coordinate with another player to kill him while you keep him busy
GET FUCKING GOOD
>>337248804
I find that Zarya has a bigger impact than D.VA, and Mei>Bastion, but its decent.
>>337248804
Swap Mei and Bastion
and there's a HUGE power gap between Reinhardt and the rest of the tanks
>>337248898
>Torbjorn needs to be top tier defense
Torb main here, he's trash. Everyone else just skipped geometry and physics in school and can't figure out how to destroy his turret without actually being shot by the turret. Same goes to bastion
>>337248974
>Tjorb
>Edgy
Explain
>>337246957
>>337246821
The pro scene pretty much agrees that widowmaker is the most OP character in the game, and entire matches revolve around shutting her.
You double fucking retard.
>Get 3 legendary skins
>Get told item unlocks reset
ok
>>337249036
>He can't set his turret up good
>He can't defend it while giving his whole team armor with his killer Nail gun
Torb is top tier defender and even good tier attacker if you aren't a shitter son.
>yfw people think D.Va is good
>>337246384
>meme tier:
>Tracer
She's one of the higher skill ceiling characters in the game.
Pretty meh and the characters feel gimped as fuck
>>337249115
Well her gun is very competent at all ranges, the buildup to 100% is almost instant, she's extremely mobile and her dmg is absurd. Other than that, she's fine.
McCree can give her a run for her money though, that fuck's just flat out broken with how he can 1v1 anyone and murder them in one second and after that, do it again almost instantly.
>>337248213
I play him a lot but he's easy mode. His hitboxes are fuckhuge to "compensate" for projectile speed and curve so headshots are very easy and even accidental often, his spread shots instakills nearly the entire cast when aimed on the floor directly in front of them
it's fun tho
It was fun for the weekend, but it really has zero depth and caters to the biggest retards way too much. It's like Hearthstone, made an FPS.
Good porn, tho
Utter garbage
>>337249318
I just wish she wasn't as potent up close, closing in on her doesn't have the effect it should
>>337249157
Oh I set it up just fine. I'm not retarded. But I'm also not blind to what's going on around me. No matter WHERE you set it Junkrat/Genji/Pharah/DVA/Widowmaker can deal with it. I also play a lot of Junkrat so I can see it from both sides.
>>337249115
>The pro scene
This game is in beta, there isn't a "pro scene" there's a couple "pro" players that have an inflated opinion right now. I could start going through all the times "pro players" have been wrong at the start in any of the competitive games I play(or am still playing) but that'd be another post.
>>337249258
>edgy
People only play him because he's easy as fuck to get POTG with, er I mean watch your Turret get POTG. He barely does anything.
>>337245665
I didn't like it very much after playing it.
Too unbalanced, way too much stun/slowdown/instakill bullshit, maps often lack alternative routes that'd allow you to flank defenses, making you just senselessy kill each other at a small chokepoint until the time runs out.
Gonna wait a year for the patched version that'll also be 20$ cheaper before even considering playing this again.
>>337249675
>This game is in beta, there isn't a "pro scene" there's a couple "pro" players that have an inflated opinion right now. I could start going through all the times "pro players" have been wrong at the start in any of the competitive games I play(or am still playing) but that'd be another post.
Oh there is one. Blizz forced it, like they did with HS. And especially HotS. The pro scene has been defined and there are the people you will see at every event because that's how it works.
>>337250478
I don't know how to say what I already said, without just saying it again so I'm just gonna call you dense and move on with my day.
>>337246274
what are you gonna do about the inevitable Reinhardt set up right in front of him
>pick reinhardt
>other team picks mei
>unpick reinhardt
>>337250320
>maps often lack alternative routes that'd allow you to flank defenses
Nigga there are always routes that allow you to flank defenses. You must be complete trash.
>be junkrat
>see bastion
>shoot nades up until the air and off shit all while standing behind 3 walls and 6 proxies until I get a hit marker
>3 bastions and 2 torbrets destroyed
>mfw
>be junkrat
>see rein setting up on the payload being lame
>throw C4 at my feet
>wait out the CD
>detonate it
>fly 30 feet up
>throw C4 behind rein
>detonate it
>he flies 200 feet off the PL
>rain nades down on it
>kill his team while he's still soaring through the sky
>mfw
![ani_tyrone-biggums-scratch[1].gif~c200.gif](https://i.imgur.com/ioUPMmd.gif "ani_tyrone-biggums-scratch[1].gif~c200.gif")
>>337245665
It's all the lessons Blizzard learned about keeping players hooked applied to an FPS
It's digital crack cocaine and they got me hooked in the beta.
I'm having some serious fucking withdrawal right now
>>337250941
>there are always routes that allow you to flank defenses
>lying on the internet
That's a bad habit, anon.
>>337251545
Name one.
It was fun. I pre-ordered it b/c of the beta
>>337251648
Hollywood All of greece temple of anbuis China and russia
My thoughts are that I want Mercy to mommy dom me and tell me she loves me and that I'm a good boy.
LET ME CHOOSE WHAT MODE TO QUE FOR I DO NOT LIKE PAYLOAD
>>337251852
>mfw I know you're wrong because there isn't a single map you can't get behind enemy lines with junkrat at the LEAST but I don't have pictures of the map layouts to prove it
>>337248794
Except most of the other classes can't kill you in 2 seconds of burst fire at practically infinite range.
I don't think Bastion needs to be nerfed so much as reworked. As it is now he's too strong in disorganized pub games but goes completely to shit when the opposing team communicates well.
>>337251986
I want Mercy as a girlfriend for this reason
>>337251648
>Hanamura
>first point is only accessible through a two meter wide gate
>if you decide to go over the small holes in the gate you get immediately killed as you're completely out in the open all alone in front of the enemy team
>>337245665
It should be renamed "Ult of the game"
>No mods
>No content
>Bare ass TF2 clone
>40 fucking dollars and 60 on console
Dead in two months. Three at most.
No amount of waifus, bought reviews or shilling saves a competitive shooter from problems this huge.
And you sons of bitches going on about Blizzard "polish" can eat a dick. WoD was polished. D3 was polished. HOTS was polished. Starcraft 2 was polished.
Get ready for the blues to set in once again you hit burnout and see the game for what it really is.
I'm just gonna sit back and laugh once it starts.
>>337248889
Lucio isn't really used as a healer, if you're familiar with WoW, think of him like an elemental shaman (pre wod), they're not there to heal, but when it's an emergency or the right situation, they can heal effectively for a short period of time, he's more for harass and movement speed, but I agree that the meta can and likely will shift
>>337252456
I feel like Temple of Anubis is the worst in this bunch. A good Bastion can effectively cover all entrances easily. Throw in a Widow on a pillar to cover him and the point and good luck taking it.
>>337252289
>Junkrat
>Having a hard time on any map
Weak bait faggot
>>337252456
Nope, you can use any character specific "jump" to get over the right side of the gate to make it on the building/catwalk
also if you go through the little holes when your team isn't pushing the primary gate so you're "all alone" you're dumber than I thought.
>>337245665
I'm really surprised at how madly in love /v/ is with this game.
This hasn't been the case for Diablo 3, Starcraft 2, Hearthstone or HOTS, has it?
>>337245665
I think I'll stick to jerking off to it.
I had "fun"
>>337253010
Diablo 3 was definitely the case. Delusional blizzdrones hoodwinking themselves into thinking the game was fantastic.
I should know. I was one of them. For the record, it took me some time to admit that D3 sucked shit through a straw for free.
>>337252361
>Mercy will never be your milfy gf
>you will never impregnate her
>she will never leglock you as you fill her womb with your semen
>>337245665
It's shit.
Dead before birth.
And I don't play shit games.
>>337248624
>pretending you don't have your own Reinhardt and Mercy/Lucio
>pretending maps don't have flank routes
>pretending you can't switch to Roadhog, Junkrat, Genji, hanzo, Widowmaker, or tracerpun in pic was not "He was destroyed! 0/ fucking 10.
>>337252456
Except any flanker can easily get past that gate and rush the point, forcing the defenders to move back and leaving the gate less guarded
>Tracer just blinks through. I think she can even blink through the hole at the top if you get up on top first.
>Reaper can teleport or wraith through
>Soldier can sprint through (if you're lucky or have good timing)
>D.Va can breach easily
>Genji can climb to the hole and swift strike into the health building
>McCree can roll through
>Winston can jump through
The biggest issue here is a Bastion AND a Torb turret on the point. But if you can force Bastion to move their defense would fall apart because of being down two players at the point (leaving only 3 defenders if they have a support, even worse if they have a Symmetra)
>>337253010
d3 was pure trolls trolling trolls leading up to the release
nobody has major complains about this game on /v/
>>337252990
>says there are maps you can't flank on
>no you can you just gotta use your characters abilities
>lol nice bait faggot
ok.
Game is shit and im surprised at how hard its being shilled here.
>>337248995
>look for a way to flank him
With how poor these maps were designed Bastion would have to be pretty stupid to ever put himself in a position that could be flanked.
I also like how people act like they can coordinate with their team to kill a bastion but the other team can't do the same to protect him, or have multiple of them.
>>337253325
>nobody has major complains about this game on /v/
Shill pls.
Definitive Best Possible Balance Changes to Fix Overwatch
>Bastion
10% slower reload time in Turret Mode
15% slower repair speed
>Widowmaker
25% longer time between shots
30% slower charge time
>Roadhog
2 second longer Hook recharge time
-100 Health
>Zenyatta
+100 Shields
>Lucio
Team Boosts last 2 seconds longer
>Mei
25% longer time to Freeze targets
10% damage reduction
>Reinhardt
E ability recharges 1 second faster
>Tracer
10% speed increase
1 second longer recharge on LShift
>>337253317
>running around
what autism is this? this is a shooter, i stand behind cover and shoot, repositioning is for autists
How to help Zenyatta:
>transcendence heals the Harmony target no matter where they are
>transcendence deals half of its hps as damage to the Discord target as long as they stand in it (75 dps)
>>337253317
You don't realize. The only people that make complaints like the guy you're responding to think the game exists in this 1v1 vacuum where the opponent never misplays and knows his exact move at every turn.
You can't speak logic to these guys, they are perpetual victims because they can't blame their self for their own shortcomings
I want to play more so I guess that means I enjoyed it. Also, Junkrat.
>>337253407
you dont need to kill bastion, you just need to cause chaos. flanking is effective in more ways than one. someone will kill the bastion if you dont, because since you know, he can't move, once he shoots everyone knows where he is
Needs at least two more maps and another support hero.
Balance is okay but the following would improve the gameplay experience for both mid- and hardcore players alike:
>reduce McCree damage OR increase fan the hammer spread
>slighty increase Symmetra turret damage
>slightly increase Tracer blink charge time
>increase Zenyatta HP by 50 and very slightly increase his movement speed
>reduce Reinhardt shield size OR shield health
>slightly reduce Pharah rocket splash damage
>slightly reduce Soldier 76 heal ability
>buff Bastion mobility OR health, just do something with the fucker, he's useless in any competent setup
>increase Widowmakers full charge shot time OR decrease damage
>decrease overall Ultimate charge gain by 25%
Rest of the heroes is pretty much okay at the moment, don't listen to shitters whining about D.Va or Mei.
>>337247893
Wasn't DaS3 the exact same when it came out too? people arehaving funI know I am, went into the beta expecting nothing and came out pre ordering it
>>337246198
he is countered by like half the cast, its not like only one person can do it. i know running head first into him with your "main" seems cool but its just dumb
>>337253317
I've never really had a problem with Bastion but that torb turret infuriates me sometimes, the instant lockon throws any subtleties out the window on places like the final point of anubis
>>337253423
>Giving zen more health
He would be down right broken faggot. He has highest damage output of support with discorb on top of having a decent HoT that doesn't even take anything or have a cooldown.
>>337253551
>Increasing symmetra turret damage
Not when she can stack 6 of them faggot
>>337248185
Underrated post.
>>337253551
Ultimate charge should be wiped when you die.
>>337252958
>>337252958
On which point, the first or the last? Because getting into that side area by the first chokepoint makes Bastion a lot less effective, and the last area is FULL of flanking routes to take. The best bet would to have bastion stay back by the spawn entrance, covering the point with a reinhardt but on both sides bastions backside is completely exposed to flankers
What about Zenyatta?
>be bastion main
>people try to counter me
>genji shitter comes up to me and tries to press E
>I stop shooting for a couple seconds then wreck his shit
>widowmaker tries to snipe me
>I wreck her shit because Bastion has ridiculous range
>scrubs try to flank me
>can turn 360 degrees at any speed to a fuck them up too
>entire team tries to rush me
>wreck all their shit without having to reload since I have so much ammo in my magazine then heal myself afterwards
get good you fucking shitters and no sorry Bastion isn't getting a nerf :^)
>>337253772
Her main purpose is to set traps with her turrets and her (fantastic) weapon and against good teams you have to place the turrets all over the place so yes, they need a slight damage buff.
>mfw trying to learn Tracer
fuck I am so slow on the reaction and aiming
I'm convinced that this game has the same problem as League of Legends. You're pretty much fucked if you want to be one "guy who carries games." You had better be grouping up with friends who are equally skilled as you are, because this game is so fucking casual that retards can play on the same level as competitive players due to super easy mechanics and low-skill ceiling and you seriously do need a team that is overwhelmingly better than the opponent's if you want to win convincingly.
Also, there is a huge laundry list of changes that I want Blizzard to implement. I'm seriously HOPING that there is going to be a fucking huge patch note list that fixes all of the tiny issues that I have with the game, but I'm scared that the Release Day Patch Notes are going to be tiny at best. I know there are people who are like "BASTION ISN'T A PROBLEM AND ONLY NOOBS DIE TO HIM" and I don't completely disagree with sentiment, but you KNOW he is going to get some nerfs come release day and I worry they're going to just change him and call it a day.
It's probably going to take YEARS before Blizzard pulls their heads out of their ass and implements all of the changes that "I" want.
>>337253914
What about him?
>>337253947
>shes met to spread her turrets out
>Can place them on the fucking payload
No if they buff damage she either has to decrease the number she has or make it so you can play them near each other for a good 30 or 40 feet
>>337253831
That would change the entire game so it will never ever happen.
>>337253423
>>337253672
Zenyatta would be fine with 25-50 more health so he doesn't get literally one-shot by so many abilities.
nobody except Tracer should die to a single bodyshot of a sniper in this game.
>>337253953
dash when reloading
e when deep breath
ez
>>337253317
>rush point
>barely manage to arrive at point after getting 90% of HP anihilated by Bastion and Torb
>six more turrets on point
It has my first waifu in it.
>>337253953
>tfw you're confusing yourself more than your enemies when you blink around
>>337253545
No smart bastion will get flanked since most maps don't have a way to get behind people. And he can easily stop shooting once there is no threat and re position since it takes no time to go between forms as Bastion.
>>337247560
>it's a shame that people only use turret mode to camp and be cheesy when he's incredibly versatile in most situations without turret mode.
You can't just say retarded shit and not explain yourself anon. Bastion without turret mode is shit, you may as well play 76, as all you're doing is running around shooting and healing yourself, just not providing any healing to your team and doing far less damage.
Basically fuck off.
>>337254257
>Most maps don't have a way to get behind people
Use your ability's holy fucking shit.. Genji Hanzo Widowmaker Lucio Junk rat and phara turn most maps into jokes
>>337254190
She like, in her late 30s anon.
>>337254257
>No smart bastion will get flanked
>being this bad at videogames
>2017
>>337246384
Thank god I pick Zenyatta
>>337254353
And?
>>337254353
turn that frown upside down
>>337254249
....do you have ADHD, anon?
>>337253423
>all these nerfs that make the characters boring and unsatisfying to play because you're too stupid to change your strategy from "hold W and LMB" to literally anything else
>Bastion
Nothing he's fine, get good. He could probably afford a buff.
>Widowmaker
Make her gun charge slower for each shot she doesn't unzoom on
>Roadhog
He's fine, could probably use a buff. Maybe let him move while healing to cancel the effect. He's a 1 trick pony
>Zenyatta
Stop. Learn what his orbs do. This nigga is straight assassin in disguise as support. We don't need him tanking damage AND doing what he does already
>Lucio
This guy is literal trash. Wastes heals on people not taking damage, can't heal enough on people that ARE taking damage. He only works now because people are terrible at doing damage their self. Really all it takes are 2 damage dealers on 1 team calling targets out and Lucio won't be able to keep up
>Mei
Another scrubfilter. THOUGH I do think her freeze range is a LITTLE too far. Her damage is fine, the freeze time is fine. If you can't backpedal and shoot her at the same time you deserved to get frozen, it's that easy.
>Reinhardt
You realize that thing pierces right? Lets not make it more spammable than it already is
>Tracer
lol
>>337254257
why dont u just be smarter than him and out flank him?
oh right, this is /v/, you want everything handed to you on a platter
>>337254058
>he fucking dies to obviously placed Symmetra turrets
I want the game to be balanced around mid- to hardcore play audience, not your faggot ass that can't even handle a game as casual as this.
>>337245665
Will definitely play it again once it goes free.
I had most fun playing as Zarya.
Still hate her design but maybe it'll grow on me.
>>337254396I purposely left him out for the (you)s
>>337254446
try to counter me as a bastion and I'll tell you how I'll wreck your shit
no he doesn't need a buff
>>337254484
>Implying I died too it
Faggot if you want a buff it also needs to debuff somewhere that is called balanced you autistic fuck. She can't have 6 turrets that do good damage. Fuck Torb can't even have one turret that does good damage outside his god damn ult
>>337254589
AI games don't count anon
How do we fix Thornborg? He's ass.
>>337246384
>symmetra in actually good
You lost all credibility right there, son.
>Be Bastion
>Sitting on point with a Reinheart shielding me
>RED = DEAD
>Entire team is getting utterly destroyed
>One poor Tracer is the only one who is trying to do anything but tunnel down my line of sights, the only player to kill me during the game
>End of round, other team has a bitch fest about how Bastion is overpowered, most of them quit
>Hurrdur why can't I run towards him, if only there were other ways to go to flank him
This is why people think Bastion is overpowered, because they are shit. His range isn't THAT good, and you're completely fucked when under attack, healing is too slow to help you out of cover and shifting out of turret form while under fire is asking to be killed, but so is staying in.
If anyone needs a nerf its that whore Mei.
>>337254579
Seems like it didn't work much since I was the only one pinting that out.
I guess not many people appreciates based brobot
>>337253831
Ultimates are the random crits of overwatch. Gotta keep the shitters happy
>>337254691
armor give 80% dmg reduction instead of 50%
>>337254543
i never got that character. her sheilds last like .5 seconds and im too retarded to use them when they're needed because i can only think of one thing at once. also her gun has the stupid bullshit where it's a wobbly laser that you just have to point at someone
Zenyatta is fucking awesome design wise but his nerf to line of sight and his pathetic health make me very angry. If he's supposed to be right in there in the pack he needs more than 150 health. Fucking Mei has what, almost 300 health plus a self healing invuln? Mei is a better healer than Zen. Sad.
I want to play.
Release the game.
Release it right now.
>>337248002
>Junkrat
>meme pick
>>337254661
no seriously how would you counter a bastion
Feels like a F2P. They could've sold a 20€ version with every character unlocked and the 40€ would have all the shit, but this way it'll be deader than Starcraft 2 in few months.
Is there any other fun online multiplayer games to play while I wait? I don't want to go back to tf2 but I just need more you know?
>>337254589
Ok.
I'm junkrat behind 3 walls shooting nades in the air and off shit until they all land where you're at and kill you before you can pack your shit up and roll out.
Keep in mind that I've graduated high school and played sports so I have a pretty firm grasp on how to make things bounce.
Your move buddy.
>>337254691
Let him upgrade his turret to level 3 after a minute and half of NON STOP hammer that or let him build up to 4 turret using scarp he gets instead of armor.
>>337245806
I agree that he need to be changed, but not nerfed. He should be buffed.. Bastion is the worst character in the game atm. Literally only viable in some gimmicky strat with screens on payload.
>>337254627
I said "slighty" increase the damage, not make her turrets instalaser anything down. Also she already got her biggest debuff a few weeks ago concerning her shield buff for allies. They can't buff that because it leads to 200hp Tracers running around and nobody wants that, so embrace her role and make her even more defensive.
>>337248804
>Winston
>not useful
He's amazing at being a nuisance and bullying the supports. If you actually care about trying to keep the attack team from completing objectives he's invaluable.
>>337254774
its already been explained to you multiple times by multiple people. you are a retard, get that through your head, actually wait, dont, keep playing bastion, i like free wins
>>337254779
immediately transform when I see your stupid nades coming at me in the air then heal myself
go ahead try again
>>337254879
>tfw want to play as winston to go ape on people
>Can't stand his gun
Fuck you blizzard
![zenyatta-gameplay[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/OkYWdQA.jpg "zenyatta-gameplay[1].jpg")
REMOVE THE LINE OF SIGHT BULLSHIT ON HARMONY ORBS YOU FUCKING KIKES
>>337248804
This list is SO official that it came from the game itself.
i want them to buff my winston
>>337253423
Try these instead.
Reduce the slowdown from Mei's freeze gun, or increase the cooldown on icebox. Then she can get a movement speed buff for balance.
Decrease Torbjorn's swing speed with the hammer, but give the turrets more power and the ability to move them after placing.
Tracer is fine as is. Her ult can be garbage sometimes, even with a stick, but she's already powerful enough without it. So leave her as is
Lucio should have either lower HP regen or a reduced health pool. He's fun as hell to play, but I rarely ever died as him. Arguably the best support character
Zarya needs a slight buff, she's not as fun to play and outclassed by other tanks
Hanzo's ult is fairly easy to hear coming. Reduce the damage as it goes through walls so it doesn't just appear and kill
Symmetra needs buffs. Turret health maybe, not sure
Increase the spread on McCree's fan the hammer
Shrink the massive crit zone on D.Va's mech so she can actually be useful since her guns can't do shit outside of point blank range. Add a slight movement speed increase while she's firing for the same reason.
Also, something to prevent the Reinhardt + Bastion + Payload garbage. And make commendations worth something. Get 5 votes? 5 credit reward.
Can't think of anything else right now
>>337254914
it's because you cant. sorry buddy
>>337248974
>Winston
>Skill
It sure is hard to jump into squishy targets and hold left click.
>>337245665
IMO the random heroes mode is more fun than the ordinary mode
>>337249185
>People think D.VA is bad
Git gud, seriously. Or at least start using D.Va how she is meant to be used. Get the fuck into the other team with your jet, wreck their support and offense, pop your shield then jetpack right back out. Also jetpack your ult into their mass, 90% of D.Va's don't seem to understand that you can jetpack before using your ult.
Enjoy winning every game as half the other team is distracted by you leaving your team to stomp shit.
>>337254967
Or at least give him some way to catch up to allies. Fucker is slower than torb's turret
>>337254923
ok you left your position and my team moved in on the point.
We won. Gg, had fun.
>>337254776
wouldn't even want them to do that. I'll gladly pay 40 bucks to keep F2P shitters away and make the live of cheaters harder.
>>337255018
tax season is over, I've already donated my share to charity this year, I don't have to help out retards like you for another 6 month
>>337248804
>mercy before lucio
when you will you shitters learn
D.va needs a buff.
Either remove the slowdown while shooting, or increase the cannon damage.
>>337255074
nope. I only moved a little bit to the left and then wrecked your whole team since I have ridiculous amount of ammo in the mag
>>337255074
you have no team, they are all dead because I killed them before you were shooting at me
>>337252861
>Bare ass TF2 clone
>Wanting all the shitty bloat from TF2.
>>337246384
>Zarya
>Useless
>Actually likes Symmetra
>Mercy as a better support then Lucio
>>337255087
Enjoy paying 40€ for worse than you could get for free
>All these sperglords crying about Bastion
I mean he's basically hardcountered by almost a dozen different classes?
>Hanzo, McCree, Widowmaker poking at his hitbox around corners
>Reinhardt charge brings him out of turret form
>Roadhog hook brings him out of turret form
>Play Genji, press E
>Pharah peeking back and forth throwing rockets or just hurting with splash damage
>Junkrat nades bounced around a corner
And that's not even considering the use of ANY ultimates.
>>337254954
His gun is weak as fuck I'll admit, even against a Widowmaker or a Mercy it still takes 3-4 seconds of direct fire to actually kill them.
>>337249185
D.VA is my favourite character but she is too weak, her guns barely do any damage, I find her handgun when she is out of suit seems to do more damage than her in suit weapons. Also her suit self destruct often kills/damages her, I have to run completely out of the battle zone to escape it.
>>337255127
that's what I thought.
What is the ultimate tourneyfag team?
I'm thinking health lucio + speed lucio + junkrat + reinhardt + pharah + mcree
>>337255350
>>337245806
Bastion needs
>Slow movement while in sentry mode
>Like almost freezing speed, not enough to dodge but enough to adjust firing angle
>Recon mode rifle made accurate for longer bursts before needing to reset
I'd be open to gatling gun spin up too if his ammo pool was doubled
>>337253551
>reduce McCree damage OR increase fan the hammer spread
Instead of that, I'd like
>Flashbang only stuns on direct hit
>Fan the hammer starts off weak, but damage ramps up per shot landed. Total damage on tanks would be the same as it is now but flashbang->fan on anything else would suffer
>reduce Reinhardt shield size OR shield health
God no, it breaks fast as it is already
>slightly reduce Soldier 76 heal ability
>decrease overall Ultimate charge gain by 25%
I don't like either of these
>>337253947
The turrets main purpose is to slow enemies, not do damage. She would be way too strong considering Symetra can already do 120 dps on top of the 6x20dps + slow she gets from the turrets.
>>337254153
>go junkrat
>Get in for free since the only one covering the gate is a bastion and maybe a turret
>spam point from out of their sightlines
>watch as all the Torbs run at you only to die to your traps
>Get a free point cap cause of their no supports
Plus both flanking routes on Hanamura have multiple health pickups on them. So health isn't a huge issue if they're stacking the point
>>337255350
>>337255397
Every time.
>>337255310
All you have to do to avoid the ult blast is to get behind a wall. Silly.
>>337255397
Saved.
Is it just me who finds Winston pretty weak? I mean, i get the chimp-out mode is good but his damage just seems so bad otherwise.
>yfw your team Lucio uses ult
>>337255397
kek
Bastion players are faggots.
>>337245806
He needs his sentry mode to be slightly nerfed and only slightly by giving him like 1 second of wind up time, this will allow players to react to him if you don't see him around a corner and he starts shooting you
He also needs his recon form buffed, that form is absolute garbage and his gun is shit, he is just a walking target
>>337255397
>>337255062
That's her optimal way of playing, but it doesn't mean she is good. She has low life, both in and out of the mecha, and can't shoot past her nose.
A tank that can't get shot and can't do significant damage is kinda bad.
And the fact that nobody likes using a healer, and most people are stupid as fuck to clean the plate after D.VA has done her stuff only adds to the feeling that she is useless.
>>337255552
Ya i agree his shield is pretty weak aswell. When I play Mcree, one fan the hammer and his shield is pretty much fucked
>>337255607
>shield literally nullifies insta-kill Ults
Hate going up against a team with a Lucio on it.
>>337249036
But Torbs turrets just instantly snap onto anyone within their range.
>>337255757
Doesn't change the fact they do shit damage outside of MOLTEN CORE and even then the damage is goodish at best.
>>337255308
I pretty much only play hanzo and I hate his ult and how it's pretty much potg guaranteed. I'll dome 3 guys in a row but if I get 3 kills with the ult it's always that.
Someone needs to make an image of bastion on the computer saying how he is balanced and that you just need to git gud.
>>337248431
Is a very real possibility, because they "Reworked" Nova for the same reason in HotS. Entirly different teams, yeah, but it just goes to show that he Blizzard philosophy allows for the possibility for it to happen.
>>337255860
I would enjoy this.
>>337245665
I honestly had no issues dealing with Bastion. Sure, if not dealt with he'll deal massive damage, but if you concentrate fire on him for any length of time, his health goes down reasonably fast, and the player starts freaking out and tries to move.
I think people's main problem is they lack the ability to pick targets out in terms of threat level.
>>337255669
She needs an alt fire, I'd agree. I don't think you should buff her canons, she is meant to be close range.
Maybe give her a right click to change weapon mode? Switching from close range cannons to a longer, slower to fire morter or something.
If that fat cunt Mei gets an ice shard that can one hit KO from across the map, D.Va should get something. I don't agree that she is bad, but she is certainly not top tier.
>>337255552
He's actually pretty OP with a coordinated team.
You jump to the enemy's backlines, throw down your barrier, and completely fuck their Widowmaker and Hanzo up and overall be a huge fucking distraction while your team follows up. With your ult, you instantly become 1000HP, so if you time it right you wait until you have ~100HP left and then instantly become huge and knock people around.
He doesn't work at all in pub games though, since your teammates are too busy dying and you're barely killing off their Widowmaker before you have to jump away for health. That's why you think he's weak.
>>337255860
>>337255929
Would have to have I am not a robot part also
>mfw a genji tells me how hard is to walk in front of bastion and press E
>mfw a genji tells me how hard it is to hear IIIIIIITTTTSSSSSS HIIIIIIIGH NOOOON and press E
CATCH ME IF YOU CAN
>>337255981
Anon?
>about to capture objective B
IT'S HIGH NOON!
NERF THIS!
JUSTICE RAINS FROM ABOVE!
MOLTEN COREEE!!!
>>337253423
>Bastion
is weak and easy to deal with, he needs a rework tho
>Roadhog
is mid tier at best and is an ult battery for the enemy team
>Lucio
is literally S tier why the fuck would you buff him
>>337255981
You have to say Candlejack first you fucking
It's stupid that the game favors ults for play of the game over legit kills. If anything it should be the other way around. I'd rather see someone go on a headshotting spree than see insta kill ults over and over.
I don't care that much about Bastion but it is pretty pathetic when he gets POTG for camping in the corner of a room and shooting everyone who walks past the door way
>>337256085
Next time remember to thank your local Reinhardt player for being able to completely invalidate half the ults in the game.
>be bastion
>get bullied by genji
>mfw
>>337256149
>headshotting spree
>widow powerful enough to 1shot body kill
>hanzo with xbox huge hitbox arrows
>implying chaining kills is hard
a piggie or soldier running around the back making 2 or 3 people turn around in confusion does alot more work than any of those potg
>>337248804
>Meercy at top
>not Lucio
list immediately disregarded
I... I... uh... I kinda like it.
I had fun.
how do you counter a good pharah?
>>337249036
Torb isn't trash, he's very useful to provide some coverage for flanking routes and to defend the front line from various heroes trying to backstab. The turret isn't good enough to sit on the main path the enemy takes or some shit, that's retarded. Some even slightly intelligent placement of the turret and decent aim with Torb himself can be very effective, especially with Molten Core.
