This is indefensible.
>>337226265inb4 blizz drone defense force
>>337226265
so this..... is the power.... of shilling your own game to generate hype....
Your point? Because a bunch of training bots who stand still have a shitty hitbox means the entire game has shitty hitboxes? Nobody who plays Overwatch is enough of a tryhard to care and if they were, they'd get laughed at for playing such a casual game.
>>337226265
>console games having aim assists
wow contact fox news
>>337226334
called it
>>337226382
>>337226443
That's not aim assist, you moron.
>>337226265
he draws that bow like a fucking idiot
>>337226382
>>337226265
>>337226514
>thinking it's the bot hitbox
>not knowing it's the projectile box
>thinking TF2 doesn't do the exact same fucking thing
>being such a neo-/v/ newfag you don't even remember the christmas bow massacre in TF2
>>337226382
An entity standing still should be the simplest thing to create an accurate and proper hitbox for you fucking faggot.
Its just a bug, game is damn good.
>>337226564
clearly miss the target but still count as a hit it's either assist or shitty hitboxes
in both case it's a game for peoples who dont want to be penalized for bad aim
did they fix 20 memerate?
>>337226382
Hanzo is huntsman 2.0 the hitbox for the arrow is fucking huge. You have to actively try not to get constant headshots.
>>337226659
>>thinking it's the bot hitbox
>>not knowing it's the projectile box
If that's what you wanted to show, you'd have recorded it with multiple characters. At this point it's impossible to say.
it's the arrow's shockwave you retard
I don't see the problem. The target reticle was pointed at the bot.
>>337226845
No and i doubt they will, it's really frustrating especially when you see kill feed that completely does not match your view when you died.
>>337227078
not going to bother with this trash then
>>337226845
Packet Rate is 20. Tick Rate is 60.
>>337226265
That's nothing.
Back in CBT he could shoot people through walls.
>>337227134
which means the effective tickrate is 20, keep up
Hmm...
>>337226265
Hanzo is essentially an Anor Londo archer. The hitbox on his arrows is fucking enormous. I assume the console players will actually land anything?
>>337227134
That's like saying PS4 games are 60fps because they're on a 60Hz screen.
local man surprised to find that console game is for consoles
>>337227297
what is this supposed to be showing
>>337227412
Console babbies can't aim for shit with their inferior control method.
It's either make the hitboxes reasonable or do what TF2 did with its bow mechanic and give the arrows homing properties. Pick your poison.
>>337227412
That controllers are shit for fps games.
>>337227473
>or do what TF2 did with its bow mechanic and give the arrows homing properties
TF2 just gives arrows projectile hitboxes, not the same thing
>>337226265
The arrow still visually hits.
I've never been hit by Hanzo in a way that felt unfair. Playing as him, I feel it is very difficult to land your shots so I'll take whatever generous hitboxes i can get. It's not a game-wide problem but seems character specific in a way that possibly balances him a bit. What's the problem?
>>337227412
that you have autism
>>337227547
When you're shit yourself, sure
otherwise with experience you can get very good results.
>>337226265
yea horizontal bows are a retarded meme
>>337227650
>I've never been hit by Hanzo in a way that felt unfair.
Really? He's one of the characters that I constantly get hit by when fully around a corner
>>337226265
There's literally nothing wrong with that.
Arrows work like that in real life and it's competitively viable.
You are just mad cuz your a poorfag who didn't pre-order this fantastic GOTY
Am I the only decent bastion player?
>>337226970
except it isn't dumbass
it's a projectile, not only do they have larger hitboxes, character hitboxes are larger just for projectiles
you people know shit about shit but still feel the need to post about it
>>337227819
Controllers are not accurate enough to track targets like you can do with a mouse.
This is a fact, this is why aim assist exists. Controllers are just not as good as a mouse, it is a fact.
>>337227924
>hitboxes are larger just for projectilesyou people know shit about shit but still feel the need to post about it
>>337227819
>>337227993
Wasn't there an FPS game which let PC gamers and console babbies player on the same servers?
Pretty sure there was and that console babbies cried so much that it was swiftly segregated again.
Also, hooking up KB+M to a console is considered cheating in console circles.
>>337227924
How do you know it's the projectile's box and not the hitbox? What indicates that? It could even be both. You have no reason to say it's one or the other.
>>337227889
>>337227473
Why not make the hitboxes accurate instead?
the arrow is retardedly huge because blizzard that should compensate for the lack of being hitscan.
That's why when tracers fight Hanzos there an 80% chance hanzo will win by spinning around in circles randomly firing uncharged arrows
>>337228140
http://www.gamesradar.com/pc-gamers-destroyed-console-gamers-in-tests-says-voodoo-pc-founder/
>>337227993
>Controllers are just not as good as a mouse, it is a fact.
Yes, you are entirely right. Mouses are better than controllers. But this does not mean in any way that controllers are shit, or that someone with a mouse is systematically better than someone with a controller.
What matter is experience.
>>337228140
CS;GO did it, PS3 babbies got demolished.
>>337229034
no just no
>>337229034
>>337229034
No, the speed and precision at which you can aim on a mouse is your own physical limits, controllers are limited by hardware and this shows by how fucking slowly they turn when they're aiming.
You're a moron.
>>337228749
There are Hanzo's that have clickers that just spam out uncharged arrows that kill. Because not only is the hitbox of the arrows huge, they actually bend and seek themselves to targets.
Source
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qehTrieBsdU#t=1m42s
>>337229034
>But this does not mean in any way that controllers are shit
They have their situational uses, sure
>or that someone with a mouse is systematically better than someone with a controller.
Assuming same amount of time spent playing, absolutely
I think the hitboxes depend on the character. I have a very hard time hitting Tracer and not just because she's thinner than most characters
>>337226514
>hurr durr someone came in and didn't agree with me CALLED IT!!!11
consider suicide
>>337229485
Why you mad tho?
>>337226265
Looks like they took a lesson from dark souls 2 and added shockwaves
Hanzo's arrow tips expand once they're airborne.
I thought this was common knowledge?
>>337229754
Finally, a reasonable reply.
>>337229754
it's not just hanzo's arrow that have expanding tips... if you know what i mean ;)
>>337229754
Is that explained somewhere? I doubt Blizzard expected people to know that just from his portrait with the arrow. Is it in one of those tips that pop up after you die or something?
>>337229754
>Hanzo's arrow tips expand once they're airborne.
How convenient
>>337229754
How do you explain the arrow stuck in the wall behind the target after the first shot?
We knew this from Hanzo's own gameplay trailer.
>>337226265
You literally play a console port what is the problem? PC is not the lead platform you cuck.
>>337230080
Arrows can hit things without being stuck in them, anon.
That's why arrowheads are sharpened on the sides. So they can cut things even if they miss.
>>337230130
Except thats clearly the aoe that hit the ceiling that killed her
>>337226265
>all these people saying it's the lrojectile's hitbox and not the bots
>not a single example
Come on then fags, genuinely interested to see this in a proper match
>>337229754
That's just his E
>>337230246
see >>337230130Dumb dumb.
>>337230161
But there is literally now way the arrow could of hit him.
>>337230130
This webm is nice because when you first look it, you will notice shitty hitboxes, but in reality is worse than that
it is the bugged explosions that don't get past minimum cover, see how in the first explosion it hits slighty behind the collum, so it doesn't damage AT all Widow, but in the second one it hits way far than the first one, but in the roof, so no obstacles, and thus kills her.
>>337230246
If you really care
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GFOFv1lVY_g
>>337230130
>>337230365
The explosion killed that bitch, not the arrow.
Jesus fucking christ i'm starting to think that maybe the "i don't even play overwatch" meme is true, actually.
>>337229229
>how fucking slowly they turn when they're aiming.
In other words
>What is sensitivity setting
>You're a moron.
Why? For thinking that someone with controller isn't systematically complete shit? You're the retard here.
>>337229296
>Assuming same amount of time spent playing, absolutely
you are right.
>>337230182
No, if that was the case it wouldn't have shown that he killed her, because that AOE didn't come from him.
>>337226265
It's the arrow hitbox not the bot...
And if you still think that characters have shitty hitboxes why didn't you try it on actual character?
>>337226334
>>337226514
>inb4 blizz drone defense force
Shit like this should be banable because you think you are immune to any argument and when someone disagree with you you can just say
>called it!
>HAHA YOU SEE GUYS TOLD YA THAT BLIZZDRONES ARE GOING TO TRY DEFENDING THIS!!1!1!
Just kill yourself
>>337230574
Nigger at 800 dpi I can still 90, 180, 270 and 360 turn faster than any controller on max sensitivity, they'res hit for fucking FPS and thinking that makes you a moron.
Add onto this that I can just turn up my DPI an be even faster than that.
>>337230627
>>337230563
HOLY FUCKING SHIT
IT BECOMES MORE TRUE WITH EVERY POST
STOP IT NOW
>>337230130
That's a fucking bot though
>>337230680
These videos were made by devs with class-named profiles.
They're not bots.
>>337230524
wow thats bad and people think this game will be competitive makes me laugh.
>>337230627
You get kill credit for assists
"Kill streaks" are both kills and assists
>>337230671
>Nigger at 800 dpi I can still 90, 180, 270 and 360 turn faster than any controller on max sensitivity,
Yes, your point?
>Add onto this that I can just turn up my DPI an be even faster than that.
Yes, your point?
Your mouse can go way faster therefore it is impossible to play decently with a controller? You clearly are the retarded one here. No one here is debating whether or not the controller is equal to the mouse, what is being debated is whether controller can allow for good plays or not which is the case.
Is this your first time using 4chan? You should learn how to read a message that someone quoted. Here, i'll sponfeed you what i quoted: >>337227547
>>337230650
This guy is mad and outraged that the projectile/hit boxes is complete and utter trash, on the edge of being able to be written off as just broken for the weeaboo character which he thinks he's leet pro at.
You're not leet pro, you are absolute trash, the game is broken.
>And if you still think that characters have shitty hitboxes why didn't you try it on actual character?
People did, same result.
Google it you tard.
>Shit like this should be banable because you think you are immune to any argument and when someone disagree with you you can just sa
Why are you so mad tho?
I fucking knew shitters in public lobbies weren't that good to continuously get stupidly high kills with Hanzo without some kind of bullshit at work
I fucking knew it
>>337226845
From what I've read private matches can have 60 tick rate and it's assumed ranked will have 60 tick rate
>>337226265
gotta compensate for the shitty servers somehow.
Also, is nobody going to talk about how much damage hanzo's bow does when you don't charge it?
>>337226659
It's both, do not forget CSGO. It is a problem with Valve's netcode and hitboxes for projectiles and objects. The change to spheres over boxes fixed this somewhat.
>>337230574
>Why? For thinking that someone with controller isn't systematically complete shit? You're the retard here.
in an fps against m+kb, yes, a controller is complete shit.
it's like taking a 100m spring in crutches against a normal guy. you will lose, because you are crippling yourself.
controller has way better uses than FPS. it can emulate flight controls, racing, and sensitive character movement pretty well.
but every single game where you have to control some sort of camera is inferior when done with a stick.
>>337230907
But what you quoted is right, whilst people have consistently provided evidence and examples of why controllers are significantly worse than mice you havne't given shit.
2/10 made me reply, kill yourself retard.
>>337226265
does this really matter when you are basically shooting blobs of enemies? The only way you know you did well is when the game tells you so.
>>337226659
>implying the huntsman is half as bad as hanzo's homing no skill needed arrows
>>337226265
Both shots are aimed to the left of the training robot, and there is wind is blowing to the right. I call bullshit.
>>337230253
It took 6 replies for someone to correct him.
>>337230627
Are you retarded?
You get eliminations for assists as well.
You have LITERALLY NEVER PLAYED THE GAME, have you?
>>337230627
>I have never played OW, the post
OW notifies everyone who did damage about the elimination. This means you see the message as long as you even did 1 damage.
Pharah's rocket killed the WM in that video.
>>337230981
>in an fps against m+kb, yes, a controller is complete shit.
No, just because something better exist doesn't mean the thing you were originally talking about is shit. Controller doesn't magically make you play like shit like >>337227547 is saying. It's inferior, but far from preventing any skill to display.
>>337231023
>you havne't given shit.
About what? The fact that you can perform decently with a controller?
>>337231275
>>337231304
Actually i've played for about two hours but i did not know that. Was it in the tutorial? Cause i skipped it.
>>337230130
>>337230365
>>337230436
Are you guys mentally handicapped? Or really didn't even play the game?
The
>Elimination
Pops out even when you get an assist
Elimination and Final blow are 2 different things you retards
Anything could have killed her and she dies about a second after the arrow was fired, what killed her was the explosion, the AOE's are big and she died like a millisecond after the explosion
If anyone here seriously thinks that it was the arrow that killed her you didn't only never played overwatch but you never played a FPS game...
>>337231309
>square wheels may be inferior but that doesn't mean they're shit
>>337231365
They don't say it anywhere because they want casuals to feel better about themselves.
>>337231386
I would appreciate it if you deleted this post, i am >>337230436 poster and i was stating that the explosion killed her, not the arrow
Thanks in advance
>>337231275
Come on dude not even reddit will defend shit mechanics in the game this hard just concede this and notify blizzard you dont like it
>>337231398
That would've been a good analogy if there weren't good player with controllers. What you are saying is that controller prevent any skill, which can be disproved simply because there are very good players that use controllers.
>>337231386
man your really are desperate I preordered the game just so you can be happy my shill friend.
>>337231552
A good player with a controller will always be worse than a mediocre player with a mouse and keyboard.
Hanzo is literally le treetrunk arrows Huntsman Sniper all over again. I was amazed at how easy it was to land shots on him when I was playing him and promptly went back to Widowmaker because it felt dirty.
>>337227819
>otherwise with experience you can get very good results.
Yes, aim assistance and bullet magnetism really takes so much experience to get used to.
>>337231309
Oh okay, i get it.
So what you're saying is that playing with a controller is like being in the special olympics?
Someone with one leg can run fast, just not nearly as fast as someone with both working legs.
I would however say that the guy with one leg is comparatively slow. Bad at running, even.
>>337228015
they are and it's been admitted by blizzard they are
the fact that some open beta scrub is saying otherwise when you know SHIT about SHIT is crazy
>>337226265
Hanzo's arrow hitboxes are garbage
more news at 11
>>337231626
controller have that built-in? did not know, thank you for the information.
>>337231629
Yes that's what i am saying.
>Bad at running
This is where i disagree, though. Controller does not prevent fast-paced gameplay when you have high joystick sensitivity.
Why are people only taking notice of this now.
Huntsman has been broken for years.
>>337231821
It's because TF2 is the epitome of high skillcap FPS but Overwatch is shallow and requires no skill whatsoever.
>>337230069
It actually is, isn't it?
>>337226382
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=peHUNnARS54&feature=youtu.be
>>337231908
>those fantastic hitboxes on soldier 76's gun
Damn this is the pinnacle of skill based FPS right here.
why didn't Blizzard make single player practice mode available until launch?
>>337227297
If that was on console all those shots would have been headshots.
Don't this shit game have a general? I see spam of this shit every single day, mostly waifufags that need to be contained somewhere or shill defense force.
>playing TF 2.5 in 2016
>>337226265
That's pretty bullshit considering I've missed closer shots entirely with Hanzo
>>337230914
>People did, same result.
>Google it you tard.
I tested it myself dipshit and the only extended hitboxes are in the crotch area(between the legs) and on the head, straight up from the shoulders you are still hitting head, it's nothing like in this WEBM the heads are just small as fuck in this game and it would be impossible to hit headshots with chars other than S76 Or widowmaker...
>Why are you so mad tho?
Because with trash like you on this board creating your safe space it's impossible to have any argument with anyone
>If you disagree with me you are a blizzdrone/weaboo/etc. etc.
>>337226265
>2016
>still expecting hitboxes to represent the actual visual thing that flies
come on are you stupid? this was done to death 10 years ago
also the game is is shit
>>337232165
This is how /v/ is now.
Just go with whatever dreck everyone else is bleating over
>>337226265
this is why you arrow flick around corners with Hanzo
hit box is so huge you dont think about accuracy only where you think people will get hit
>>337232276
>le neo-/v/ meme :^)))
Fuck off, you weren't even alive when /v/ was created, over 10 years ago.
>>337226443
>fps and temps in the upper left
>console faggot showing his awesome knowledge about video games
>>337232370
tongue my undercarriage
>>337232248
>Because with trash like you on this board creating your safe space it's impossible to have any argument with anyone
Cry more, blizzdrone.
>>337232429
>Implying the PC version is changed in any way compared to the console babby version.
>>337232370
I was in your dads womb LOL XD
>>337232458
>>337232531
ironic shitposting is still shitposting
hang thyselves
>>337226443
>>337232248http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GFOFv1lVY_g&t=11m15sYou didn't test shit, you lying fuck.Blizzdrone: BTFO
>>337231908
>>337226265
He only gets one fully charged shot per 2+ seconds so it better have a decent hitbox. Not to mention the arrow has travel time, unlike most weapons.
The only crime is that the reticle isn't accurate.
>>337233048
>Why do you need to be good with a character in order to win????
Of course casuals think this is okay.......
>>337231894
well don't you look stupid
>>337231908
>>337233167
>WELL DONT YOU LOOK STUPID
>WELL!?!?!? MMHMMHHHH!
>>337232883
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GFOFv1lVY_g&t=11m15s
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GFOFv1lVY_g&t=11m15s
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GFOFv1lVY_g&t=11m15s
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GFOFv1lVY_g&t=11m15s
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GFOFv1lVY_g&t=11m15s
Fuck you, retard.
>>337232883
>I tested it myself dipshit and the only extended hitboxes are in the crotch area(between the legs) and on the head, straight up from the shoulders you are still hitting head, it's nothing like in this WEBM the heads are just small as fuck in this game and it would be impossible to hit headshots with chars other than S76 Or widowmaker...
>Literary posts a vid where it's shown
Thanks for proving my point you retard.
30:50 the same video where he shoots with mc cree, when he shoot near her legs it misses but the fucking tip of a wing is a valid hitbox.
>>337233582
So you're trying to say that the hitboxes are not total trash in OW?
Yet you think that video is proof to the contrary.
Or do you agree with me, that the hitboxes are trash?
In that caseWHY THE FUCK ARE YOU ARGUING WITH ME?
I'm done with you, fuck you are stupid, I'm out of here.
Enjoy replying and me not seeing it at all. Cunt.
>>337231552
>That would've been a good analogy if there weren't good player with controllers.
compared to pro fps m+kb players, no, there are literally NO good fps players on this entire planet with a gamepad.
a gamepad is one of the worst input method for a shooter, on par with a CH HOTAS set.
>>337233864
we both know too well that you are going to see this.
Just because hitboxes aren't exact in the game like OW doesn't mean that they are "trash". The only thing where hitboxes are not as shown on character are between legs and upwards from shoulders to make hitting headshots actually possible.
Why aren't people butthurt that in games like Dota 2 or Starcraft A unit can be outside of a skill "range" or inside it and it will/won't hit it? It's not a Battlefield or Another cod this game was inspired by assfaggots for fucks sake.
![Quake-Live-Gets-Update-22-with-Steam-Trading-Cards-New-Arenas-Much-More-466515-4[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/KSiKwab.jpg "Quake-Live-Gets-Update-22-with-Steam-Trading-Cards-New-Arenas-Much-More-466515-4[1].jpg")
>>337231814
>Controller does not prevent fast-paced gameplay when you have high joystick sensitivity.
As someone who actually tested quake live with various input methods, I can confirm you can use any joystick and controller. we could try a quick match, you ramp up your gamepad sensitivity and I'll take you on.
download from quakelive com, it's free and post your nick ITT, quick match should take only a few minutes of your time
I will only use melee, I promise
>>337227412
that whoever was playing is utterly shit
>>337230130
The thing that makes this confusing is how it says "Eliminated" as if you're the one who killed them. That was one of the dumbest things in the beta. I'd get a 5 player kill streak off of assists. I really don't know how Blizzard manages to screw up something so basic as differentiating kills and assists, but they managed to do it.
>>337231881
Basically this. TF2 is the greatest game of all time.
