>Punishing you for wanting to explore everything the game has to offer is apparently acceptable.
Explain this.
>>337192662
>being offered more content and characters reacting to a player's actions is punishment
>>337192769
>Getting one of your endings permanently screwed because you didn't go the route the game wanted you to isn't punishment.
Dunno OP, I got bored and quit after a few hours.
>>337192662
I didn't play it so I can't.
>>337192662
You can't really take bonus content as a big flaw IMO
>>337193275
>permanently screwed
Doesn't it just change a couple pixels? Also, you can delete appdata.
>>337192662
i don't know how people keep going during the water area. it's super boring.
>>337193275
Would you rather something like Mass Effect 3 where your choices don't matter?
The whole point of the Genocide route is to establish that exploring absolutely every single possibility, for no other reason than "just because," is something sociopaths and autists do.
>>337194116
I wouldn't call the genocide route bonus content though.
>>337193275
delete your appdata if it bothers you so much
i'm surprised you even give a fuck given that you simply consider it "exploring everything in the game"
you completely willingly miss the point of everything and then act flustered
>>337193275
>Permanently
>>337194506
I chuckled
>>337194176
Those couple pixels basically change the good ending into a terrible ending, not that I care about it because I won't be replaying Undertale anytime soon, but punishing you for exploring everything the game has to offer is retarded.
>>337194250
>It's intentional so it's ok!
No. I try to get my money's worth by playing all the routes the game has to offer and the game tells me that I'm an asshole and fucks up my good ending? That just makes zero sense.
I'm glad this game is slowly dying out.
>>337194481
>>337194506
I know about appdata and the good ending getting altered doesn't even bother me that much, but trying to punish you for wanting to do everything the game has to offer is beyond stupid.
>>337194738
If it means killing everyone who you befriended before, is it really worth it?
Did your feelings get hurt that bad by the ending of a video game? Butch up a bit, it's a piece of commentary.
>>337194897
Yes it is, because at the end of the day it,s just a game, and if I want to explore everything, I will.
>>337195156
pic related, you
>>337195034
I mentionned several times that the ending itself doesn't bother me. And you said it yourself: it's a piece of commentary, which means it can be argued with.
>>337195156
Then yeah, the game is calling you a psychotic asshole because you'll do horrible things if you think there won't be consequences just because you can.
>Game has multiple endings
>Same game punishes you for doing multiple endings
Why is this allowed?
>>337195512
It punishes you for doing only one ending, and that's the ending that you have to go out of your way to be an asshole to do
>>337195512
technically undertale has no ending
the "punishment" is simply the logical consequence of your actions
>>337195243
>>337195326
See that's the thing. I don't kill everyone in the game just because I could, but because I was curious to see what the genocide route had to offer. Hell, it even gives you the only two good boss fights of the game challenge-wise and now you're telling me I shouldn't do this route because that would make me a pychotic asshole?
>>337194204
It is pretty boring but when you reach the Undyne fight shit gets pretty DETERMINED
>punishment
you're all homos.
>>337195743
sans says it best himself.
>i know your type. you're, uh, very determined, aren't you? you'll never give up, even if there's, uh... absolutely NO benefit to persevering whatsoever. if i can make that clear. no matter what, you'll just keep going. not out of any desire for good or evil... but just because you think you can. and because you "can"... ... you "have to".
>>337195684
It's still an extra ending. Obscure endings have always been a thing way before Undertale. If the game punishes you for going for a specific ending, that's just plain stupid.
>complain when your choices don't matter
>complain when your choices matter
wew
>>337195812
This. Game gets a little mean and retards on /v/ get all triggered.
>>337192662
It's called consequence and MORE not LESS games should experiment with it.
>>337195743
If you were curious about what happens if you were to murder everyone and then go out of your way to murder everyone, then yeah, you're an asshole.
Can't wait for the next round of this shit when OneShot is released on Steam
>>337195850
>even if there's, uh... absolutely NO benefit to persevering whatsoever
The thing is, there IS a benefit to doing the genocide route, even more than one:
>Undyne fight
>Sans fight
>More of Flowey's backstory
>Sans' character is expended
>Seeing Chara
>>337196004
Sorry for being curious about what happens if I play the game differently.
someone post the Hitler pic
>>337195743
basically the entire route was intended as a critique of your mindset and conventional RPG gameplay with realistic consequences, but you're too dense to even realize that
bravo toby, bravo
>>337193275
>game makes you feel the pressure of your choices thoroughly instead of just going "lol ok everything is fine."
>>337196454
Oh I perfectly got it the first time i played it, but if your game has multiple routes and you're telling me not to play a specific route because ''muh consequences'', then no. Is Toby telling not to get the bad ending for every game with multiple endings now?
>>337196718
i don't think you're mature enough to understand the themes in this game OP
i'm gonna leave now
>>337196552
>Game calls you an asshole and encourages you not to do everything it has to offer.
>>337196784
See ya.
I was slightly irate when I discovered you can't normally reset the game if you enter Chara as your name.
For what purpose Tobi
For context, beating the genocide route only changes the ending still and post credits music. The rest of your pacifist route is completely the same.
I think people overstate how big of a deal this is. I bet these same people get butthurt over getting the high chaos ending in Dishonored or not finding the BOMB in Jock's Helicopter in Deus Ex.
>>337192662
You can do whatever you want.
The game just has a thing where it seems to be self-aware and will fight back if you try to murder everybody.
I think that's a pretty cool idea, you don't really have the level of self-awareness that Undertale has in any other existing games before it
>>337192662
?
The game doesn't really punish you.
I even found the "Congratulations! You failed the puzzle!" sign in waterfall to be hilarious.
The worst you'll get punished by is the need to backtrack.
>>337195156
>They're just pixels, why would I care. I want to explore everything.
>Wahh it messes up my good ending.
These statements are contradictory.
>>337197623
I'm repeating myself at this point, but it's not the fact that the good ending is altered that bothers me. It's the fact that Toby tries to dissuade you from exploring every avenue.
OP is like the alternate retarded version of Chara that doesn't even understand what he's actually even doing
>>337197769
How is he trying to dissuade you? You cannot both state that completing the genocide right is dissuaded by the fact that it changes the good ending and then say that the change doesn't bother you. The statements are contradictory. He cannot be dissauding you if it does not bother you.
>>337197939
i'm telling you, this guy is fascinatingly stupid
i keep trying to ignore this thread but he keeps coming up with total gold, he's running in circles
>>337198034
I understand completely that he is, but that doesn't mean it isn't fun to completely destroy and dissect his viewpoint
>>337197939
>Tries to
The further you go into the genocide route, the more tedious the grinding becomes. Flowey straight out telling you when you reload the game after finishing pacifist route that you should just leave the game alone. The distorted music. All more or less subtle elements that try to tell you: ''Stop what you're doing man, this is a bad idea.''
>>337197769
If getting an ending that kills all the characters is enough to upset you, why did you do the genocide playthrough in the first place?
All I want
is a complete hard mode
I would legit pay into a kickstarter if tobi made one to work on a hard mode. If he ever wants more money, this option is always available.
>>337198034
And you're literally not contributing to the argument at all. I didn't come here to shitpost. If my argument is flawed then I'd like to see someone tell me why. The anon you replied to at least gives me some arguments. Oh well, I forgot this is /v/ after all.
>>337198148
The tedious grinding is just an increase in difficulty because that's what genocide is, a harder mode (in most respects).
All of those other game mechanics are trying to be indicative that completing the genocide route will change the game because, of the moral message behind the game that killing characters for the sake of curiosity or because of the lack of consequences is wrong. But you've stated that this doesn't bother you. So what's the problem exactly here?
>>337198161
Because I knew it existed and what I had to do to get it?
>playing morrowind
>go into shop
>kill shopkeeper and take all his goods
>guards try and kill me
wtf dood? i was just trying to explore every possible option. why am i being punished?
>>337198623
No. Grinding isn't difficult in Undertale. Just tedious as fuck, and the problem here is that the game assumes that I'm doing that route just because I can, but that's wrong. I'm doing that route to see what content I'm gonna get out of it, because at the end of the day, who doesn't want more content in their game?
>>337198795
Nice strawman.
>>337199159
But that answers nothing about the core of my question to you. What exactly is your problem with the genocide route? You purport that Toby is trying to punish you, but then offer no proof that he is.
>>337199159
Don't use phrases like "straw man" that you do not understand.
>>337199159
So if that's all you care about, then you got more content. Having a different ending after doing the genocide route is more content.
>>337193275
>screwed
That's the true ending tho.
Now that you're done, you're free to move onto other games, I'm free in the human world, and we both get to kill more stuff.
>getting upset over killing off a bunch of monsters and furfags
>>337195243
%playername% the demon of genocide and stat gain is cute!
I want to enter into a long-term committed romantic relationship with %playername%!
>actually letting toby fox guilt trip you and make you dance like a puppet
Its a fucking game, only faggots shy away from the holocaust route
I want to abuse and be abused by dead demonic demon child.
>>337199159
>I'm doing that route to see what content I'm gonna get out of it
And you got the Genocide ending out of it. Doesn't that fulfill your goal?
>>337192662
"punished" is a strong word for it. A slap on the wrist is technically punishment, would you throw a shit-fit over that too?
>>337192662
>characters giving you shit for murdering their friends is 'punishment'
>>337199159
That is not what a strawman is you fucking underage tard
>playing Undertale at all
Explain this
