I can't figure out how in the heck have Myst - like games fallen off the radar and been replaced, in modern era, with impotent walking simulators of Chinese Room variety or even worse cheap knockoff of Android games that Jonathan Blow peddles.
Was it because no one can reach Cyan's artistic level? Were Japanese devs not interested in this? These sorts of spatial puzzles seem to be adjusted not only to high def gaming but also VR gimmick and no one even attempts to do them properly in any medium.
How are puzzle games coupled with outlandish art so scarce?
Realtime 3d graphics killed it I think
Cyan is working on a new one, I forget the name of it though
>>337184023
But that's the point, that aspect should further emphasize its strengths.
Same reason point-and-click adventure games in general died off. Market got over-saturated, people got bored.
Not to mention there could be Myst-like spinoffs of popular series, imagine if Metroid Prime had that puzzle level or focus, or subset.
>>337184285
Point and click adventure games have completely different focus which was very dialogue heavy, you have no idea what you're talking about. Not to mention that they never really died, in fact some of the best games were produced while the genre fell off mainstream radar and are still going strong. Myst was an adventure game that had nothing in common with P and C classics.
>>337184285
>Market got over-saturated with several Myst games so much that 20 years later there's only several still
>>337184450
>>337184531
Maybe you guys are too young to realize how many of these types of games existed in the 90s.
>>337184830
Give some examples, then.
>>337184959
https://www.google.com/search?q=myst+like+games&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8
Maybe point-and-click isn't the best descriptor. How about "pixel hunting games."
>tfw playing mystcraft because myst is ded
>>337185118
You're a fucking retard shut up lol
>>337185335
Who wants to dick around in uru
Will obduction live up to the standards set by their previous games? Or will it be shit?
>>337185342
You're right, there totally aren't dozens of myst-like games that were released between 1990 and 2000. Yep. I must have imagined my childhood.
Calm your incoherent rage, anon. If you're looking for myst-like games, there are tons of great options to choose from if you're willing to go a little retro.
>>337185862
Stop pulling the imaginary age argument you fucking retard, pixel hunting has nothing to do with Myst games.
>>337185818
I can tell you that it already looks worse aesthetically and that's like half of the game.
>>337185862
No games can match the world building and atmosphere of myst
>>337186110
Yeah right now it looks like generic unreal engine asset game #1040194714876
I really hope they can make it good
>>337186131
Yume Nikki
VtmB
STALKER
Deadly Premonition
are some of the examples, genre / gameplay not regarding.
>>337186320
Probably just a nostalgia cashgrab like what Paradox will do with VtmB 2.
>>337186110
Don't be an idiot. If you bothered to google search "myst like games", the first link is chock full of them. I'm not talking about games like "monkey island", either, but real Myst clones.
It's not even a complete list. Just looking through it, off the top of my head, I remember playing Crystal Key for example, which they omit.
>>337186131
I personally tend to agree. The books were pretty entertaining, too.
>>337186521
Names nigger, I know there are no or very very few Myst like games, let's hear what you think.
Give me five titles you picked off google, you said there was an abundance.
>>337186436
>Probably just a nostalgia cashgrab
No that just isn't how rand miller is
He is really passionate about his games and isn't about money at all. He refused to make myst games after riven multiple times, but they convinced him over and over.
>>337183439
Myst is good
>>337186885
Who did the art? Him? I wonder if he likes Metroid, La-Mulana and games like that.
>>337187179
I think i watched a talk of his brother who said that originally rand did basic drawings of what he wanted then his brother would actually do the art on the computer.
>>337184023
it's called Obduction and it should be out in about a month
>>337186790
Crystal Key.
Journeyman Project 1, 2, 3, and 4.
7th Guest.
Atlantis: The Lost Tales
11th hour.
Your obviously either retarded, or a very bored troll. Either way, doesn't matter. I have no doubt you'll have some incoherent rage-spittled excuse for having being called out as an idiot.
I'm not going to reply to you again.
Whoever is asking for Myst-like games:
- The Crystal Key
- Dark Fall
- The Journeyman Project
- Syberia
- Amber: Journeys Beyond
Just to name a few. Seriously, if you grew up in the 90s you would have seen the store shelves overflowing with these games in the wake of Myst.
>>337187658
You're conflating FMV adventure games with Myst which is a completely different thing despite technically using the same methods. I didn't play Atlantis and Journeyman project so I have no ideas about those. It seems Atlantis is definitely a Myst-like.
>>337187803
Stopped reading at Syberia. Can you into perspective?
>>337187803
>Dark Fall
just no
I'm too lazy to post a screenshot that would completely refute this shit you posted but just google how Dark Fall HUD looks like.
>>337187918
>You're conflating FMV adventure games with Myst
That seems like an arbitrarily rigid categorization. I can see why people would object to classifying Myst with SCUM games, but at a certain point, it seems kind of meaningless.
I guess if your restriction is "point-and-click slideshow games with arbitrarily low amounts of FMVs", you're going to be unsatisfied. Even Myst had FMV dialogue sequences.
>>337188435
It's not arbitrarily rigid, especially considering some of those games came out while Myst wasn't all the rage and focused on technological aspects rather than puzzles. FMV was just a crutch in Myst, never the sole focus, nor did anyone play it to read the diary.
>>337188147
How the heck is Dark Fall not a Myst-like game?
>>337188720
Start with the fucking ghost hunting device and go from there.
I hope Obduction will be much different than The Witness, I really disliked the puzzles in that game.
>>337189296
they were ripped from an android game
>>337189423
This basically
The people at cyan are actual artists, not indie hipsters pretending to be also. So it will be much better
>>337183439
prob cause it doesn't look impressive in trailers, and since the internet/social media peoples attention spans is much smaller because of the increase in information and the lack of time to sift through it all, so your game needs to capture people in 10 seconds, hence the rise in action games and cgi capeshit kino
puzzle games could def find a niche market for indies though. i cant imagine they're too expensive to make
>>337190112
But Myst already has a reputation that can give it a stable following.
>>337190112
It's hard to design good puzzles. Last great puzzle game was SpaceChem, before that? I have no idea.
>>337190340
It's been over 20 years, anon. Everyone who played Myst in the 90s is dead.
>>337190442
>It's hard to design good puzzles
This. Also, there are only so many original ways you can do the whole "walk around in an environment and flip switches and push buttons" thing.
>>337190575
It's not like more than a handful of people played it for more than 2 hours.
When you think about it, Myst was sort of the like the first game tailored for casuals.
Great game all the same, though.
>>337190743
Yes, but that's not the point. The whole idea of 3D environment is that you can go around the object, look up, down, from all sides and gauge the area, then come up with the solution. The perspective is the gameplay, not the input / output, that part is the consequence.
Optimal way to do it would be to merge Myst puzzles with a game like pre-Pratchett spawn Tomb Raider and have demanding gameplay to boot.
>>337191071
There were no casuals before Internet boom.
>>337191206
>Optimal way to do it would be to merge Myst puzzles with a game like pre-Pratchett spawn Tomb Raider and have demanding gameplay to boot.
True, but certain anons in this thread appear to flip their shit at the notion of combining a Myst-like experience with any other sort of gameplay mechanic or gimmick.
Personally, I think it's a great idea. I guess there's not much demand for it these days or something.
>>337191643
Well, both classic Tomb Raider gameplay and Myst puzzles take actual effort and talent to design, both mechanically and from the artistic standpoint so even if there's a demand, there's hardly anyone who can answer it.
After all /v/ is the proof that those inferior retcons have much more vocal, rabid and numerous following. And there are of course shills.
Puzzles are really important for atmosphere building. Deadly Premonition would go from an interesting experience to a 10/10 game if SWERY knew how to design even average puzzles. Puzzles should be the story vehicles, fuck.
It's because modern gamers are retarded. Or at least, developers seem to think their retarded. The amount of dick-holding in modern games is ridiculous. Think about it, what's the point in playing these explorative puzzle games if the game just has a giant fucking arrow over your head telling you where to go?
>>337192785
Even smarter players HATE getting stuck on puzzles if they're not in the mood for it. It's a death sentence when you're competing for people's attention spans and they can just switch to another game or watch something on Netflix.
It's one of the reasons I'm glad The Witness is having success. Even if you think it's a lame collection of minigames, at least it's showing that there is an audience willing to sit and contemplate the screen for hours and poke around and get stuck on stuff.
>>337191071
>Myst was sort of the like the first game tailored for casuals
A lot of casuals picked up Myst because it was bundled with CD drives and because it had a ton of hype and cool graphics. It wasn't "tailored" for casuals in any significant way.
It's not like Myst invented the idea of not being able to die or anything like that.
>>337194134
Pretty much this. Myst and Riven were hyped as "experiences" more than anything. If you were going to need a CD-ROM drive anyway, why not pick up this Myst game that everyone's been talking about?
VR is a niche product so I don't think it can sell Myst-like games the same way CD-ROM drives did in the 90s.
Talos Principle was pretty nice. Short but I enjoyed it.
I still think Labyrinth of Time is the best one though.
