Youtube takes 50% ad revenue by default, so if you stream Nintendo videos, you literally only get 10% ad revenue.
YOU ONLY GET 10% RETURN IF YOU STREAM NINTENDO CONTENT COMPARED TO STANDARD 50%.
Meanwhile every other game is basking in the hundreds of hours of free advertising and instead of having Pewdiepie stream your game to millions of people letting him advertise it for you, you decided to tax the 5 loyal fans on youtube who stream your stuff. Hilarious.
What a huge miscalculation on Nintendos behalf don't you think? How outdated and greedy a company must be to do something like this.
>Play video games instead of getting a conventional job
>Demand compensation
>Bitch once a business screws your means of making money
It hasn't even been a complete 10 years since Streaming for pay began, of course it wasn't going to be permanent.
Hopefully Sony will soon follow.
>>337169913
>Bitch once a business screws your means of making money
The issue here is that Nintendo stands to benefit more from NOT stifling streamers.
As OP said, streamers are basically free publicity. Taking away incentive from streamers to stream Nintendo games is essentially shooting yourself in the foot.
>>337168870
good, streamerfags should get a real job.
>>337168870
Use your own content instead of Nintendo's copyrighted content then.
If you want to get 100% of the profits then make your own entirely original content, retard, stop piggybacking on the hard work of others.
>>337168870
I had no idea Nintendo was this stupid. I mean sure, the games have had some really bad practices put in place lately but this...
Its like they want to fail. I can't wait to see what big gimmick the next console has! should be kekworthy.
Are you a youtube partner? If not, why do you care? How does this affect you in any way?
>>337168870
Oh, look... a console problem.
>>337168870
I don't give a shit about youtuber problems.
>>337169913
>stand in front of a camera talking in a fake voice instead of getting a conventional job
>demand compensation
You guys are stupid if you can't understand that the one impacted won't be the streamers, it will be Nintendo
Say goodbye to free publicity and kids wanting to do the same as Pewdiepie and other famous streamers
>>337170898
This.
Or the compromise is that you create a new, copywritten property instead of leaching on other people's work.
>>337171145
DELETE THIS
>>337170623
>As OP said, streamers are basically free publicity.
Streamers are also the reason why many kids prefer watching streams to buying and playing the games themselves.
it'd be bad if you did it for free but if you make money off it you'll get no sympathy from me
>>337171298
Obviously they don't care and neither do I
>>337168870
Maybe they should have realized the free ride is over, no one is going to stop streaming the games just because they take a cut now.
It's not even really free advertising because large groups of people are watching the entirety of games and not purchasing them so what could have been a potential purchase is gone now because some jackass decided to upload his entire playthrough of a game.
It's sink or swim motherfuckers, you want to keep making money off playing games you better start making high quality content now that companies are starting to take their fair share for the work they put into it
>>337171443
Streamers won't disappear any time soon, better learn to live with them if you want to be relevant
>>337171512
And neither did the world for the Wii-U
I like Nintendo but the ones at the helm are morons
>>337171443
the kids who watch streams don't have any money to begin with
>>337169913
They aren't screwing their means of making money. They'll just make money from covering other companies' games.
>>337171298
>free publicity
People who like Nintendo can still make videos for free and not expect any profit from it like they should.
Youtube retards who can't get a real job don't do it for free, they expect to make money from their shitty tripe videos.
>>337168870
>thanks-a for the money! wa-hoo!
>>337171515
Too bad the free ride still continue with every other companies
Which is the main problem here
>>337171676
Nothing better than begging to mom and dad
>>337168870
>Doesn't know how percentages work
Nintendo take 40% of the remaining 50% or in other words 20%.
>Youtube: 50%
>You: 30%
>Nintendo: 20%
That's pretty fair. Youtube hosts the video and gets the biggest split, you made the video and get the 2nd biggest split, Nintendo owns the content shown in the video and gets the 3rd biggest split.
This is an arrangement where all three parties deserve a piece of the pie. Youtubers need to gain some responsibility and understand Nintendo aren't entitled to a fair share.
>>337171760
>People who like Nintendo can still make videos for free and not expect any profit from it like they should.
Yeah sure
Too bad millions of people do watch and are influenced by the streamers who do get money out of this
>>337171790
>Too bad the free ride still continue with every other companies
>Which is the main problem here
They'll jump on board soon enough, I mean who the fuck can resist free money
>>337171460
They only take money from people who monetize their videos.
>>337171515
>It's not even really free advertising because large groups of people are watching the entirety of games and not purchasing them so what could have been a potential purchase is gone now because some jackass decided to upload his entire playthrough of a game.
That doesn't mean at least some of those people won't buy the game themselves.
>>337171908
Companies who know where the priorities are
>>337171883
*Understand it's wrong to pretend Nintendo aren't entitled to a fair share.
>>337171898
t. delusional youtube cuck
Millions of people are retards if they let themselves be influenced by a bigger jobless retard.
>>337172039
Exactly, making a profit.
>>337171298
more like infamous since only fags and autists do this shit. I've never met a single stable guy who actively watches youtubers or streamers.
>>337168870
>YouTube streaming
>fucking with jewtubers
>bad
that is the only good thing nintendo did in the las 10 years
>>337172063
Congratulation you understand how the world works now, retards everywhere
Just look at the election, you have a choice between a literal walking meme and a murderer
>>337172152
Kids ALL do this, seriously
If you don't think the streamers are watched you are obviously out of touch
>>337171628
>if you want to be relevant
Get real with the exception of Minecraft. Streamers bandwagon on games that are already popular to get the extra views.
They're more parasitic than helpful..
>>337172389
And these games get more popular due to that, they feed each other
Even the Soul games only sell thank to streamers
Not saying it's a good thing obviously, I hate that shit, but that's how the world works right now
>>337172215
I still can't figure out why these millennial fuckwads enjoy watching people play video games and act like retards so much. Why watch someone play a video game when you can play that same game yourself.
>>337168870
Pewdiepie has played like what 2-3 Nintendo games? He plays west shit and meme games. I can't really blame Nintendo for wanting a piece of that dosh for doing nothing.Meanwhile, youtubers like Markiplier and Gamegrumps really dont give a shit and will keep playing Nintendo games.This policy isnt going to stop most people from playing Nintendo games.
>>337168870
Who fucking cares, everyone knows who Nintendo is and it will continue to have its fanboys. Fanboys will continue to make videos for free. Only literally who devs really benefit
>>337168870
>Oh no I'll have to get a real job! Fuck you Nintendo!
Don't monetize your Nintendo videos. Problem solved.
>>337168870
That is the least of Nintendo's problems right now.
I think it's unfair, Nintendo made the sale of the game, i should be able to do whatever the fuck i want with it.
>>337171145
It was all so clear and yet I failed to see.
>>337168870
they've crunched numbers I'm sure, they aren't wildly making assumptions and decisions like you are.
>>337168870
Yeah its kind of a dick move but its Nintendo's property and I don't give a fuck about youtubers so its a fuckup I can ignore. Heck if Playstation and Microsoft follow, I wouldn't be phased one bit.
If streamers truly have so big an impact on Nintendo's exposure they will reverse the decision. Nintendo has next to nothing to lose but a small minority of their fanbase. Even if they alienated the majority of their fanbase, they could just drop it and apologize and everyone would come running back to them. I don't understand how this is a stupid decision.
>>337173727
>they've crunched numbers I'm sure, they aren't wildly making assumptions and decisions like you are.
I wouldn't be so sure considering some of their awesome decisions of late
>>337173503
I bought a copy of star wars and posted it to youtube. Why should they take it down?
>>337168870
all this will do is lower nintendos exposure to the younger generations who only get their news from streamers.
I dont really care either way though
>>337168870
>Give commentary on some nintendo product as a review
>nintendo illegally files a DMCA on me
>reject the claim and counter file
>nintendo drops claim for monetization
fucking jews
They're fucking immune to the penalty of perjury of the DMCA purely because they're big and they can do what ever they want
>>337173962
>exposure they will reverse the decision
No they won't
They have ContentID bots that just report every video that so much has Nintendo in the video name, in the audio or any content used regardless if its DMCA protected
>There is nothing wrong with being a jew
>>337174646
who are you replying to?
>>337168870
Good. I remember years ago (2006-2009) I posted cinematics and music from my favorite video games. I actually made money off of it! I made maybe a penny every 10 views and netted about $800 over time until I shut down the channel after the money stopped coming in (had some questionable videos on there as well and just decided to delete it all once the copycats came in).
This took NO effort. I did it for the betterment of mankind. Not for monetary gain. The developers who worked hard on all that music deserve that money, not me. These retard shill "reviewers" and streamers are literally talentless hacks, and if they have any sort of talent, they should be able to make enough off of the 10% revenue to be satisfied with.
>>337168870
>Upload Star Wars VII
>Puts my commentary on it
WTF THIS IS MY VIDEO HOW DARE THEY TAKE IT DOWN
I do agree that 50%/40% is way too fucking much, but it's their IP.
The only reason Nintendo gets shat on for this is because they're the only company that has huge popular franchises that fans want to make videos for.
If someone made a fanvid using Banjo Kazooie, I hope microsoft does something about it, even though microsoft is doing shit with them
E3 2015
>>337174309
DMCA is a shit system right now anyway, Nintendo's just full of dickbags who think it's cool to abuse it.
>>337174893
Which one was worse, E3 2008 or 2015?
>>337168870
Just be glad they didn't decide to takedown your precious YouTube channel faggot.
>>337174867
>WTF THIS IS MY VIDEO HOW DARE THEY TAKE IT DOWN
>I do agree that 50%/40% is way too fucking much, but it's their IP.
There are explicit guidelines to how a review is DMCA compliant.
2008 was pretty terrible, but /v/ still thought it was the best conference.
No one tried to defend last year's conference.
someone make a nintendo game review where you watch the game play but only hear farting and shitting noises
If you are a 'youtuber' you deserve to get fucked in the ass.
>>337175005
At least in 2008 they were making bank off of the Wii.
In 2015 they alienated their whole fanbase, and I feel like they're set to do it again this year.
>>337175193
>but /v/ still thought it was the best conference.
Yes, because it was hilariously bad to the point of being amazing.
>>337174646
>Jews steal money from everyone
>hahahahahaha
>Jews get Jewed
>WTF thats my money REEEEE
>>337175195
Nintendo ContentID bots will file DMCA violations on everything even if it has nothing to do with nintendo.
You so much as mention it and they'll make a false claim
>>337171515
>It's not even really free advertising because large groups of people are watching the entirety of games and not purchasing them
Of all of the game companies in the world, Nintendo should worry about this the least. Their games don't have stories, they're built entirely around gameplay.
Watching Heavy Rain pretty much serves the same purpose as playing the game.
Watching Super Mario Galaxy is not going to give you the same thing as playing Super Mario Galaxy.
>>337168870
Nope. They should take 100%.
youtube shitters can get fucked
>>337175193
>no one tried to defend last years conference
I have seen some posts of people trying to defend it. I seriously cannot tell if their some sort of super fanboy or just a falseflag shitposter, just because of this shitty wojak meme
>Play video games
>think you're entitled to get paid for playing video games
You're only entitled to get paid for playing video games if you're a bug tester. Otherwsie, eat a dick.
>>337168870
>Has there been a bigger fuck up by Nintendos than this?
WiiU
>>337175398
>Nintendo should take 100% from lawful, DMCA compliant reviews
>>337175328
>Watching Super Mario Galaxy is not going to give you the same thing as playing Super Mario Galaxy.
Most kids/retards disagree, which is a problem for a company where 90% of profits come from software sales. I mean if there's a creative element like Animal Crossing you can still lure in kids or whatever, but otherwise it's "Galaxy was great, I watched the whole thing."
>>337175517
>file unlawful DMCA complaints
>think you're entitled to it just because someone does a review of your game
>>337171145
Wait she actually finally got fired? /v/ did it.
>>337171298
>Say goodbye to kids wanting to do the same as Pewdiepie and other famous streamers
good?
>>337168870
its was meant to be about more than just lets plays you dumb retarded moron.
>>337168870
>Has there been a bigger fuck up by Nintendos than this?
I see you're new to video games, or a world without handheld computers in every pocket.
>>337168870
Get a fucking job loser.
>>337168870
it's their game dude
>>337175195
To bad Nintendo has a trademark on Shit.
>>337168870
Nintendo isn't outdated. They're patching an exploit in the system. Technology progressed faster than the rules of practice. The let's play thing exploded before companies could establish the rights of their own content. Being allowed to profit off of posting entire playthroughs of their games, was nothing more than a convenient oversight. But someone has to stick their neck out, and be the ones that do what's only right of them to do.
Thinking you should be allowed to post let's plays for free, is the outdated concept.
>>337176218
>Thinking you should be allowed to post let's plays for free, is the outdated concept.
Its protected under DMCA as lawful reviews
I still like nintendo more than I like streamers, so no
>>337171298
They barely ever did any Nintendo videos before Nintendo enacted the policy in 2013. In fact half the outrage was from non-Nintendo game streamer/reviewers.
All that happened have streamers who never made a Nintendo videos like Total Biscuit making incredibly limp wristed threats "I'm so angry I will never make another Nintendo video", "This is why the WiiU isn't selling well".
Pretty much every big youtube channel that did do Nintendo content still did or still do Nintendo games.
Monetizing your videos are for kikes anyways.
>>337176631
Prove it.
>>337176862
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Digital_Millennium_Copyright_Act
DMCA protects reviews
>streaming nintendo games
That's like having a channel with 0 content
>>337170318
Hopefully, let's see how long anyone who isn't pewdiepie will last if they can only play indies
>>337176950
Throwing a link at me, isn't proof.
Besides, if you search "review", nothing supporting your point comes up.
>>337171298
>MUH FREE PUBLICITY
Are you actually so fucking delusional that you think a fucking company worth BILLIONS is going to be hurt by making commercials for their game?
Some obnoxious fag playing the game while screaming isn't saving nintendo any money, considering the majority of viewers don't actually buy the game
>>337168870
I don't watch let's plays and I don't think it was a smart move but if this affects you why don't you play something else?
>>337177134
That is proof
It says it right there in the introductory paragraph about how Reviews are lawful kinds of content that do not violate Copyright or DMCA
>>337177134
Gotta love millenials, cant even fucking read anymore.
>>337171443
And there are also many kids who buy a game because of a stream, even using the stream to help them progress through the game.
>>337177134
It protects critique which are synonymous as reviews for most purposes, educational, informational, etc
>>337177281
Don't use the term millennial cause that goes from 80-95 which is pretty much 90% of all of 4chan outside of /b/
He's just some shitposting faggot
>>337168870
LP's don't deserve a fucking dime and should all off themselves.
But it is what it is and Nintendo is being retarded as usual.
>>337168870
>defending jewtubers
>>337168870
And you thought Jews were bad
>>337177493
>defending nintendo making unlawful DMCA claims
>>337177134
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fair_use
Heres another link you aren't going to read.
Reviews are protected under Fair Use
>>337177236
Why would you lie to me? I searched "reviews" already. So if you tell me the first paragraph is about reviews, then I know you're lying.
Also, let's just cut the shit, a let's play isn't a review. So it's disingenuous to try and frame it as such.
>>337177281
If you read the thing yourself, then you would be able to point me to where the relevant bit of information is.
>>337171443
It definitely depends on what sort of game it is.
If people are watching for the story, they're a lost potential purchaser if they watch, but if they're watching for the gameplay, they'll be more likely to play if it looks fun.
That's pretty jewy, but then again so is streaming
>>337176950
None of that actually supports videogame reviewes, the only part about criticism is for movies and for that only small snippets are allowed.
>"Motion pictures (including television shows and videos), as defined in 17 U.S.C. 101, where circumvention is undertaken solely in order to make use of short portions of the motion pictures for the purpose of criticism or comment in limited instances,"
Don't just link something pretending it says something it doesn't.
If you take the movie part then a lot of reviews would simply be not allowed if they show too much game footage and letsplays and streams would 100% be not allowed even if they were used for criticism.
Therefore Nintendo's Creator programme would have otobe accepted as the only right way to do letsplays and Nintendo would have rightful ownership over any letspaly or reviews that heavily use Nintendo footage regardless of whether they were criticism.
>>337177417
No, seriously read. Your post was already discredited.
No one gives a damn about giving Nintendo undeserved money.
>>337168870
Fuck off Markiplier
>>337177717
Well, I searched "review" on this, and found relevant information. Unlike the other link.
And from what I'm reading, let's plays clearly fall outside of the realm of a "review".
>>337168870
Nintendo is out of touch because they've been successful regardless of having incredibly shitty decisions that fuck over people like incredibly archaic online systems and shitty controller schemes and inferior hardware.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J3xuy5YALl0
Nintendo has always been super spergy about protecting their IPs. This video shows off how assblasted they got about Blockbuster allowing them to rent games.
>>337176730
Some of them even became paid shills, so they won in my book. All this youtube faggotry is so dumb.
>>337168870
You misunderstand.
As youtube is right now, Nintendo can content claim any video with their content.
So it's not 40% vs 10%, it is 0% vs 10%
Nintendo still does not like their content being viewed on the internet as they believe (probably rightly) it can take away revenue.
>>337177742
>I searched "reviews" already.
Maybe because you're an idiot who won't actually read what the DMCA does, protects and penalizes.
Heres the excerpt you refused to read
"Examples of fair use in United States copyright law include commentary, search engines, criticism, parody, news reporting, research, and scholarship. Although related, the limitations and exceptions to copyright for teaching and library archiving in the U.S. are located in a different section of the statute. Fair use provides for the legal, unlicensed citation or incorporation of copyrighted material in another author's work under a four-factor balancing test."
The DMCA protects copyright holders by making unlawful circulation and distribution of material online illegal. It also protects the people's rights to criticize, make commentary, use lawfully under preexisting copyright laws for most of all purposes, educational, informational, etc.
>it doesn't say "reviews" explicitly therefore they're not covered
they are covered explicitly under Fair Use.
>lets play isn't a review
says you, the player playing the game actively makes a critique and commentary and impression on the game which could easily be argued as protected content.
>>337177920
That part is about unlawful or lawful intent. Some people attempted to circumvent copyright by uploading portions of movies pieces at a time to unlawfully distribute it. That obviously is NOT protected at all.
If you read the previous article about Criticisms of DMCA you'll see a subsection where 57% of google's claims were to remove apparent DMCA violating clauses
>jewtubers still whine about nintendo rather than playing other games
They should be fucking thankful other companies aren't following nintendo
>>337178379
"jewtubers" complain about Nintendo's false DMCA claims
>make videos with Nintendo content
>don't sign up with Nintendo
>still make money
>>337168870
It's in the Top 5 for sure, but there's a couple of worse stinkers.
>>337178445
>"Jewtubers"
>Literally playing games while talking over them
>Cry and moan about not making enough money. For playing content you had no part in at all
>Not jews
>>337177947
Lel nigga I wasn't even in the conversation and thats my only post in this thread
>>337178260
>Maybe because you're an idiot who won't actually read what the DMCA does
Or maybe, I'm not dumb enough to do your leg work for you.
>they are covered explicitly under Fair Use.
Well if YOU read what constitutes fair use, then you would know that Let's Plays aren't protected.
>says you, the player playing the game actively makes a critique and commentary and impression on the game which could easily be argued as protected content.
A critique of the game is not the only factor. Another factor is the amount of the media that is being copied.
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fair_use#3._Amount_and_substantiality
>The four factors of analysis for fair use set forth above derive from the opinion of Joseph Story in Folsom v. Marsh,[2] in which the defendant had copied 353 pages from the plaintiff's 12-volume biography of George Washington in order to produce a separate two-volume work of his own.[5] The court rejected the defendant's fair use defense with the following explanation:
[A] reviewer may fairly cite largely from the original work, if his design be really and truly to use the passages for the purposes of fair and reasonable criticism. On the other hand, it is as clear, that if he thus cites the most important parts of the work, with a view, not to criticize, but to supersede the use of the original work, and substitute the review for it, such a use will be deemed in law a piracy ...
In short, we must often ... look to the nature and objects of the selections made, the quantity and value of the materials used, and the degree in which the use may prejudice the sale, or diminish the profits, or supersede the objects, of the original work.
>2016
>Making videos for the sake of money without advertising bots
You have to be an absolute NEET if you need a Paetron and youtube bux
>>337178723
>make a review of a nintendo game
>Nintendo files a DMCA claim despite it being blatantly false and unlawful
>File counter Claim under Fair use
>Nintendo and you now have to argue with youtube about how your review doesn't violate the DMCA
>nintendo drags ass answering counter claims
>meanwhile you're losing money because nintendo makes a false claim
That's what you deserve for not getting a real job
>>337170623
>Taking away incentive from streamers to stream Nintendo games
They're not taking away the incentive. They're still being paid to do effectively nothing.
>>337178986
>Or maybe, I'm not dumb enough to do your leg work for you.
If you actually read it you'd see the citation of Fair Use and got the point that I made, but no you cherry picked the word "review" then claimed the DMCA didn't protect it, even though it does under Fair Use.
>>337171290
angry wagecuck detected
>>337179031
>>meanwhile you're losing money because nintendo makes a false claim
Wow it's almost like you could just get a real job if money is that important to you
>>337179547
>this type of media you produce doesn't count because I said so
Youtube basicly kills game companies if the game doesn't have :
>multiplayer
>Le funny physics
>open world
>sandbox
This was the reason SOMA sold bad, because jewtubers plays the whole game so others doesn't have to buy it.
>>337179705
Youtube allows people to freely express their opinions about companies who attempt to rip you off by making false claims of how a game operates or looks, AKA every bullshot and "E3 gameplay footage" ever
>>337168870
>Has there been a bigger fuck up by Nintendos than this?
Wii
Wii U
DS
3DS
and their alienation of 3rd party developers
>>337179602
>media
Are you legitimately arguing that talking over a game is really worth money? Literally anyone can do it, it requires no skills beyond basic comprehension of recording and editing.
Literally the only thing you bring to the table is talking (usually screaming) over the game while playing it
>>337179705
>developers make SOMA
>SOMA turns out to be shit as people learn about it on youtube
>no one wants to buy shit
>people don't buy it
>some fag on /v/ thinks that informed customers shouldn't know this
or you could use the copyright deadlock to ensure fucking nobody gets any money.
>>337179307
If you actually read it, then you could have lead me to the "fair use" portion. I'm not going to just blindly begin reading the document, because you insisted the information is buried in there somewhere.
But you didn't read it, you couldn't tell me what to look for, yu were just linking something you have a vague notion about, and expected me to try and makes sense of it, or give up trying.
>>337179971
SOMA was bad?
>>337179948
>Are you legitimately arguing that talking over a game is really worth money?
People pay for it, therefore there is demand generated by it and thats completely true.
So yes, it is worth something
>literally anyone can do it
anyone can own a business
anyone can be an actor
anyone can be a racecar driver
anyone can be a burger flipper
>it requires no skills
neither does being a burger flipper but they're still paid too
>>337179705
SOMA has hilarious physics.
Look up an Any% speedrun.
>>337168870
Good. I hope other companies soon will get on with it as well.
>>337170318
They already tried to alienate Youtubers by copyrighting "let's play" Fine Bros. style.
>>337180029
>then you could have lead me to the "fair use" portion
ITS IN THE FIRST FUCKING PROVISION OF WHAT IT PROTECTS
>>337168870
Well, there's no other way to legally stream Nintendo games. In Japan there are no Fair Use laws, so from a business perspective Nintendo probably thought this was a great idea.
>>337172660
Why watch people play sports hen you can go outside and play them yourself?
Why watch cooking shows when you can go cook something yourself?
Why watch home improvement shows when you can just fix your own house?
Why watch DIY's when you can figure it out yourself?
Why watch reality shows when you can just live life?
get the concept now?
>>337179825
Wii was a success monetarily and the DS is the best handheld ever released.
>>337168870
Maybe that's why there's close to no videos of any nintendo stuff, serves them right.
>>337178260
Fair use is a legal defense, not a law. People going "YOU CAN'T STOP MY LPING BECAUSE FAIR USE" might as well be saying "YOU CAN'T STOP ME FROM MURDERING BECAUSE INSANITY DEFENSE". It doesn't work like that.
And further, fair use typically covers only short segments of the original material being used. There's literally been been cases where news stations have lost using a fair use defense because they showed more than 30 seconds of a movie, and the judge deemed that to have been too much. The exact limits of what each judge will accept as fair use differs, but I'll just say that the judge is probably going to bend to the suggestion of a multimillion dollar corporate lawyer rather than to your claim that "this is totally a fair use of their content!", especially when precedent is against you and even more especially if you're using it for commercial purposes like youtube bux.
>>337180194
Yeah, but its a linear story game so most people have already watched the whole thing and doesn't have to buy it.
>>337179705
then please explain how 5 Nights at Freddie's sold tens of millions of copies throughout the franchise AND has fucking shirts and toys you can buy at nearly any store.
>>337180278
Do you really expect him to read it correctly?
He most likely just ctrl+f'd for the part about movies
>>337180627
furries. Autism.
>>337180627
Autism and porn.
>>337180593
People file counter DMCA claims all the time under Fair Use.
>insanity defense
you have to prove insanity the same way you prove Fair Use. Actually its the other way around, a company filing a DMCA has to knowingly and lawfully acknowledge some content under good belief that its violating their copy right. So in a way you have to prove that the content you're filing a DMCA claim on is actually violating your copyright.
So yes people can just go "its fair use" and yes you have to prove they did infringe on your copyright under penalty of perjury.
If you read the DMCA wiki like I said, it'd show this to you.
>>337180278
Why would I even start to read the document, without knowing that?
Let's put it this way. I just copied the bulk of the article. It's 9 pages long. now imagine that in paper form. Imagine someone just dropped 9 stapled pages of information in front of you and said "here's proof". You're not gong to at least ask which page the "proof" is on? You're just going to immediately start reading?
And then to top it off, the REAL information isn't even on those 9 pages. Because the definition of fair use is in another document entirely.
No, it doesn't makes sense what you're expecting.
>>337180593
I commend your effort, but it's never gonna get thru that autists head (he's used DMCA 21 times this thread like it matters)
You're arguing with people who are entertained by PewDiePie and JonTron, you gotta dumb it down
thank god there is somebody taking steps to stamp out this cancerous shit
>>337180916
>Why would I even start to read the document, without knowing that?
Can you scroll?
It literally has a section about "Provisions"
why don't you do a ctrl+f on "provisions" its in the table of context and if your monitor is bigger than 800x600 it'll probably be on the list of shit you'll see that organizes it.
>its too long
>I don't want to see what the DMCA protects, I'll just claim its too long to read one paragraph then go to provisions! I don't care if he already told me it was under fair use, I didn't want to Ctrl+f that
![Arino[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/KD2GwJX.jpg "Arino[1].jpg")
Playing video games and recording it is fair use! There's no precedent for people having to go through official channels to license it!
>>337181393
Fair Use states you don't have to get permission, so yes you don't have to go through any official license channel
>>337179705
>Youtube basicly kills game companies if the game doesn't have good gameplay
Good
>>337168870
Internet ad revenue in of itself is a giant retard ponzi scheme with huge amounts of fake reporting.
It's funny that nintendo is trying to get a piece of it. It looks this ungodly system is eating itself, just like the ouroboros. That is the author of it, so it makes sense.
>>337181123
No one mentioned fair use, until after I refused to read the link. The other anon did what you should have done, and posted the article on fair use.
If Provisions don't cover "reviews", then what's the point in searching through it? You're not making any sense. I have to go read the document, in order to see provisions listed on the table of contents, and then from there, I have to read about fair use, in order to click over to the article about fair use, to get the morsel of information that's actually relevant.
Which you CLEARLY didn't do yourself, because you believed a let's play counts as a review, when the article on fair use says otherwise.
>>337168870
First thing that comes to mind is that Nintendomination channel that only posts Nintendo video.
I dont know if his videos are monetized because I use ADP but if they are >mfw
>>337168870
I thought it's them taking 40% of the 50% you get. As in, they take 20% of the whole thing leaving you with 30%
>>337180593
>Fair use is a legal defense, not a law. People going "YOU CAN'T STOP MY LPING BECAUSE FAIR USE" might as well be saying "YOU CAN'T STOP ME FROM MURDERING BECAUSE INSANITY DEFENSE". It doesn't work like that.
Lenz v. Universal Music Corp., where in it was decided that copyright holders DO have to consider fair use before issuing a takedown of content under the DMCA.
>>337181673
>no one mentioned fair use
it was mentioned like 22 times before your post
>>337181440
Translation for the retarded:Game Center CX is not fair use and must be licensed. Let's Plays show more footage than GCCX, and logically must also be licensed
>>337181123
Also, if you can't even paraphrase part of this so called proof then there isn't much argument from your side.
>>337181673
>No one mentioned fair use
see
>>337177717
They did very very early on in the thread
>I refused to read the link
because it proved the initial statement wrong? oh yea don't read shit you don't like because it defeats your narrative
>Provisions don't cover reviews
so you're gonna cherry pick the word "reviews" and not actually read the provisions where it links to fair use that covers criticism?
>>337181764
yes, it is. but it sounds better to whine about Nintendo leaving content creators with 10%
>>337181836
>make a dumb claim
>ur wrong because x, y, z
>PROVE IT!
>heres two articles about what DMCA covers and including fair use
>OMG I HAVE TO READ? THIS IS TOO HARD
Literally nobody on youtube does anything of value. They should be grateful to get any money at all for masturbating in front of a camera.
>>337182016
Why should I take the internet as truth at face value? For all I know you could have made it up or edited it by the time you linked it. There must be a healthy dose of skepticism otherwise you're a naïve fool.
>>337182260
>implying anyone does anything of value anymore whatsoever.
I'd say about 50% of all jobs in 1st world countries are pretty much bullshit to varying degrees.
Eh they lose sales with let's plays and playthroughs . I saw Bayonetta 2 all the way though on YouTube . They need the money and I think all companies should do this.
>>337181810
ctrl+f "fair use"
>>337181905
>see
Like I said, that post was after i refused to read the link. He's replying to me.
>because it proved the initial statement wrong?
At that time: Maybe it did, maybe it didn't. But I wasn't going to do your leg work for you. If you wanted to prove something, then show you know what you're talking about. And not try to use a cheap argument tactic by throwing links to 9 page articles.
However, in the end, you were wrong about let's plays being protected.
>so you're gonna cherry pick the word "reviews" and not actually read the provisions where it links to fair use that covers criticism?
I searched what I thought would most easily lead me to the relevant information. You said "reviews", so I searched reviews. If you wanted to claim that let's plays fall under fair use, then you should have said fair use. Searching the article was more than I should have done, really.
>>337182413
Then why even ask for proof if you're just gonna blindly deny everything under "you could have changed it"
Which is a load of shit anyway because you can see the change logs on every wiki page
>>337182672
AnonI'm trolling you I'm not that other guy.
>>337168870
Good, fuck youtube streamers. They don't deserve money for that shit.
>>337182506
>I searched what I thought would most easily lead me to the relevant information.
No you fucking didn't because you stopped at the word "reviews" then said "I didn't find it therefore it doesn't cover it!"
>>337168870
1. Youtube videos are only a career for very few people who got in early and got lucky.
2. Get a fucking job, loser. A real one. Fucking waste of air.
3. It's their content, you're literally adding nothing to it.
4. Who even uses youtube for streaming? I think you're confused there.
>>337168870
>Why can't I make money off someone elses content without them making a dime!!!
>SO UNFAIR!!!
>>337182260
What >>337182446 said. I don't watch Twitch/e-celebs, but I don't see why people say they don't have "real" jobs or anything. These personalities may be faggots, but it's the people, not the jobs.
>retards saying its just right for Nintendo to do this
You are all stupid as shit.
Youtube videos are already marketing Nintendo games. They are getting more out of the videos people make than the 40% of ad revenue.
>>337183239
So why can't I do the same for movies then?
Why can't I do a 'lets watch' and play a whole blockbuster movie but occasionally give inane comments on it?
>>337179825
>DS
>3DS
If you wanted to list failures, you're looking in the wrong place.
At least list Virtual Boy or licensing properties to CD-i or something.
>>337172115
No matter the company, the shareholders are their biggest concern. Constant growth and tapping any potential revenue stream
>>337183408
Gee I dont know.
Maybe because you WATCH a movie, you dont PLAY a movie like games.
So if you post the complete movie on youtube for people to watch for free of course you cant because people are already getting the product for free.
>>337179215
>They're not taking away the incentive.
Yes they are.
Why would any streamer spend time streaming a Nintendo game for 10% ad revenue, when they could spend it streaming a non-Nintendo game for 40-50% revenue?
They'd have to bring in 4-5 times as many viewers for a Nintendo game stream to pay off as well as a non-Nintendo stream.
>>337181807
All that means is that you can't DMCA people for shit that's obviously fair use. Of which,
>The audio was of poor quality, and the song was audible for about twenty seconds of the twenty-nine seconds
Falls well within the traditional "30 seconds or less" rule of thumb. You can bet your ass an entire LP of a game would not.
Check out http://fairuse.stanford.edu/overview/fair-use/cases/ to get an idea of what would be judged fair use or not. If you want a particularly wild example of something not being judged fair use, check out Ringgold v. Black Entertainment Television, Inc's ruling.
>>337172660
Laziness. Pure and simple. A lot of us didn't have the option growing up, fortunately. So we had to git gud. Kids today don't have to and seem to be fine treating games like a movie.
>>337174728
HOLY SHIT
>>337170623
>As OP said, streamers are basically free publicity. Taking away incentive from streamers to stream Nintendo games is essentially shooting yourself in the foot.
There are kids these days (like 10-14 year olds) who watch streamers who don't play the game and have no intentions of playing it either.
>>337184134
And yet you have shit like FNAF, which sold like crazy thanks to streamers.
>>337168870
It's fair, most watcher don't play anyways
> brother kids visits me
> ask them if they like to play video games
> "no thx, just want to watch lets play"
>>337184283
ok and ? every game is different, just because you are a consumer doesn't make you an expert at running a business. Once you have seen playthroughs of games like The Order or Outlast there is little incentive to buy the games.
>>337170652
if streaming isn't a real job, but they make more money than you, doesn't that mean your job is the one that isn't real?
>le t's plays are free advertising meme
Yeah I'm totally buying that game after watching a complete playthrough of it online. Sixty bucks for something I already seen and experienced? Sign me the fuck up, famster. I also totally buy games after I pirate and finish them. When they are 80% off on Steam, that is.
>>337185123
You aren't experiencing them, though. You're watching something on a screen rather than playing it.
It's like watching a sport over playing one.
>>337185327
Tell me the difference between watching somebody play that latest Zelda or Mario game and me playing it myself. Aside from the obvious one where I don't have to push any buttons for the game to advance.
>>337170623
>As OP said, streamers are basically free publicity.
But then many of these kids feel that they don't even need to play the game if they just watch someone else play it.
>>337185776
But the whole pushing buttons thing is the core of what makes a video game a video game.
>>337170750
>>337170898
This desu.
These streamers think they'e entitled to money by just talking on camera while having a game in the background.
Most of the people are there for the game, not you talking. Take away the background game and you lose all the viewers.
Basically making money off someone else's creation (Nintendo, in this case).
>>337185776
You don't get to dictate the game at a comfortable pace. You don't get peace and quiet since the LPer will be blabbing on and throwing a bunch of donation links and patreon annotations all over the video. You don't get that smooth 1080p or 60 fps quality if the original game does offer it. You don't get to find cool secrets at your own pace, since you have to watch him grind for them, or skip them entirely, thus taking agency away from you. You don't get to try out the various difficulty modes. You don't get the joy of possible multiplayer if the game has it.
Among other things.
>>337185123
>>337185776
It's not the same at all. you just won't be immersed even close to as much.
>>337185983
Not these days, it isn't. Most singleplayer games are nothing but interactive movies and the pushing buttons aspect is only there so the movie can be sold for $60 and milked further with DLC and microtransactions.
>>337186417
This entirely depends on the type of game you're playing.
Corporate shills and let's play fans. I can't tell which is more detestable.
How can anyone be mad at this?
Youtubers deserve ZERO dollars, not even 10 percent. I wish the other publishers did this. Then maybe the retards on here wouldn't make it about console wars all the damn time.
based nintendo
>>337175238
This.
2015 was some next level bullshit
Kinda interested in getting in on the service actually.
Do they do advertising for you when you partner with them?
I imagine you'd get loads of viewers in this way.
>ITT: Autists defending e-celeb bullshit and narcissists like pic related
>"muh real job is entertaining the public"
>"muh fair use"
>>337169913
>Sell water
>The purification process takes time and knowledge
>People bitch when you sell them water
>Play vidya on youtube
>Have to edit for hours for a 10 minute video, editing takes time and knowledge plus having to write a script
>People bitch when you get money for it?
Being an entertainer should be free now? Cuba and 50s Russia called, Commie.
My 2 cents here is that there's no correct answer.
You have videos with people just playing the game, no effort put into it, no amazing skill, no funny or charismatic presence, nothing.
And then you have people like AVGN and JonTron. Like it or not, they don't just play the game, they do an actual show, with 90% of the content being created by them, just using the games as base.
It's unfair for the first one to get all the money when they did nothing, but's also pretty unfair to say that the second one is just milking someone else's work.
>>337170318
it's harder for sony, and even if they manage to take control, there still the biggest cancer left,LoLand soon to be overwatch
Good. It'll force the pathetic losers to get a job.
So for the Ninty cocksuckers defending Nintendo doing this retarded shit
You go to any Wii U thread and you ask why did it fail, 9 in every 10 drones will say "Nintendo fucked up the marketing", which is true
So while it can be agreed even among the most retarded drones that Ninty fucked up the marketing, when people talk about a possible way of improving Nintendo's marketing strategy...the drones defend them shooting their own foot?
Do you understand the contradiction you retards find yourselves in?
I don't expect much from company cocksuckers, but if you understand Ninty has a problem with marketing...
Why do you defend their attitudes that pulls the company away from fixing it's own mess?
>>337188167
Bob, while I'm not a Nintenigger. You have to understand that most of the people defending are 18 year old idiots acting like they're part time McDonald's job makes them better than streamers. Nintendo is also ran by old Japanese men, who learned their style of business in the 70s. So they're out of touch.
>>337171145
Bet most of the nintendo employees made use of her service
>>337188167
wii Us problems were more than marketing. it didn't have any games for a year and the entire concept of the console itself was a confused mess
>>337188945
>entire concept of the console itself was a confused mess
So, a marketing problem?
Isn't the biggest issue of this program that you're effectively locking yourself out of making content for non-Nintendo stuff?
>>337172660
Not everyone has money to drop on a dime when a new game comes out. Sometimes you got to rely on watching someone else play through it so you can see ahead of time if it looks like its worth your time and money. Some people do commentary, some don't. Sometimes people get used to listening to guys sounding like retards sometimes. They're just doing their best to entertain Anon.
>>337168870
If you don't fucking edit and cut your videos you deserve nothing, let's plays aren't transformative.
>discouraging lets players in it for the money
at least nintendo is doing something right for once
>>337173260
I think they will anyway with a content id and take it anyway. Might as well get 10%
>>337184781
>they make more money than you
Not if they're streaming Nintendo games.
>>337168870
This is how corporations operate, deal with it hippies.
