After the shitshow that was DS3, it's high time you apologize to this good game.
>>337146847
>shitshow that was DS3
I agree, it-
>Chariot
Now I don't agree.
>>337146847
Why would I? It's the best game in the series.
>>337147835
>>337147193
Yeah NOW you're saying this, a few months ago you were SHITTING on it non stop.
Fucking hypocrits.
>>337146847
Why would i apologize to the garbage game? Trash remains a trash, no matter how hard you force your shitty meme
>>337146847
>posting pictures of DS2 that aren't grey and washed-out to shit
Stop kidding yourself
3>BB>1>2
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
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The oversaturation and endless shitposting featuring the le Dark Souls 2 is le shit meme is a semi-recent event strongly-linked to Bloodborne's release
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DS2 apologists remind me of SW prequel apologists.
ds2 fans are so ridiculous they make me laugh every time
like what the hell happens in their head, they hate all games that arent ds2
In all seriousness DaSIII was pretty bad, I think people are just pretending it's good because muh Miyazaki,
>>337146847
Even with all its UI and mechanical innovations, DaS2 has and always will be the black sheep of the series due to its shit graphics and shit enemies.
>>337146847
That boss really sums up all das games.
>Bosses are highly telegraphed and straight forward to beat
>random trash enemies are a whirlwind of pain and torment
>>337150186
agreed
but DeS>bb>3>1>2
>>337146847
Did the chariot fight look that good? the lighting makes it look like an early view from the trailers before the downgrade.
Also I don't get why people keep posting this. We all know it's not a bad game. And while the souls games might not be better or worse we wanted it to be a souls game and expected that BECAUSE THAT'S THE TITLE OF THE GAME. It's bad in comparison for the same reason mgs5 isn't seen as very good. It failed in a lot of areas that we like about souls games in the same way mgs5 was still obviously a metal gear game but changed so much it put it in a negative light because it wasn't a very good metal gear game.
Ds3 is a better dark souls game because it does what souls games do better than ds2.
Now stop trying ro turn this board into /tv/ with these shit memes to bait out responses like the hundreds of threads just like this one but with George Lucas in the pic instead of a game we didn't all praise unanimously.
>>337150536
i didnt even knew miyazaki didnt made ds2 and i didnt saw any trailer or anything, i thought it was a direct sequel to ds1, and it was a fucking piece of shit, my biggest disappointment in a game ever. the only good part is the war against the ass faces giants in the past.
>>337146847
>directional input locked to 8 different points
>adp
>graphical downgrade
>adp
>adp
>soul memory
>adp
>a
>d
>p
yeah no go fuck yourself das2 was the fucking worst of the series.
>>337151070
The only other thing I'd add is how sluggish and floaty it all felt. You could roll or see others roll and they would glide across the ground. Same with some weapons when attacking. Everything just felt so slugish. If you attacked immediately after rolling and your attack was aimed in the oposite direction of the roll your character would just attack the wrong way. It was realistic since the couldn't snap around but it felt so wrong.
>>337150518
Since the game is slow and boring after the nerfs to all weapons and magic to the point where 90% are trash, they think it's balanced, even though it's less balanced than DS3
>>337151070
>adp
git gud. you don't need the stat for pve.
>>337151327
They made everything more sluggish and slow to be realistic or something, it really hurt the game like you said woth shit like roll attacks being useless half the time, stamina use being more fucked than DS3, etc
>>337151526
Sure if you want to faceroll with ranged attacks or a greatshield. If you don't raise agility to at least 99 there are literally undodgeable attacks in the game
>>337146847
I have always said that DS2 pvp was the best in the series. I remain convinced of this after playing the jerky r1 spamfest that is DS3 pvp.
Best pve content in the series goes to DS1 though.
>>337146847
nah all souls a shit
>>337146847
>DaS2 was a good game
This is a shitty meme.
>>337151664
>If you don't raise agility to at least 99 there are literally undodgeable attacks in the game
Are you confusing ADP for agility? Because you don't need to raise ADP to 99 for effective rolls, 20 or 30 is more then enough.
>>337151070
>Trash mobs
>Bosses with giant hitboxes bigger than their weapon
>Teleport into a enemy grabs
>All enemies able to spin around
>Rat bros being able to dominate you and just waste your time
>Blue sentinels never seemed to work
>Torch system really useless and going without one is better in all areas
Too early to judge, DS3 needs to get its DLC. I prefer DS3's main game over DS2's main game, but not by much. 3 was so fucking unfun at points that even the worst parts of 2 felt enjoyable in comparison.
Am I the only one who likes the series but really didn't like BB? Only one I didn't finish.
DS2 looked so great in the first trailers. Not only graphically, but some areas looked more interesting too. Like OP's pic, you can see that that's a downward slope which is not present in the final game, so I thought chariot was supposed to be just a strong enemy in a dungeon and it sounded interesting.
>>337151981
>Are you confusing ADP for agility?
He literally said agility. It's even in the quote of his post included in your post. You just pretending to be retarded, son?
Contrarians are really trying to push this "Dark Souls 3 wasn't good" thing
Bloodborne > Dark 1 > Demon's > Dark 3 > Dark 2 (SOTFS) > Dark 2 (vanilla)
I've never played BB because I don't own a PS4, but will soon.
I swear if it isn't the best game ever made that sucks my dick while I play it I'll never take you guys seriously again.
>>337150095
Uh.... have you played SOFS?
Thought so.
Keep on memeing.
>>337151693
I have always said that DS2 pvp was the best in the series.
And I will forever take that people like you are just shit at DaS1 pvp and couldn't figure out the most basic mechanics the babbling retards you are. DaS2 pvp was utter shit on release, and its remained shit to this day. Muh 6 million balance patches only shifted usage of cancer meta weapons, but the core physics and mechanics remain total garbage.
As a shit cherry on top lies some of the worst design decisions ever made: no full orbs and SM matchmaking.
>>337152693
>game is all grey
>they release a update at full price as if it were a new game but now it have colors and swapped enemy and item placements
>think this is somehow good
>>337152995
So you didn't play it then?
Thanks for confirming. Opinion discarded.
>>337152693
Didn't SOTFS actually make a lot of lighting in the game less colorful? And it still has a bunch of dull bad lit areas
>>337152690
before bb, i was in a real rut. i dont think i finished a single game in like 2 years before i got bb. once i bought it, i played through the main story, did literally everything there is to do, and i thought i was gonna be done with it. but once i beat the last boss, i just made a new character and kept playing with a new build. bb really got me back into games.
>DaS3
>bad
wew lad
>>337153253
I'm on my 4th character in DaS3 and feel very much the same way you just described. Once the PS4.5 launches I'm hoping to recreate the same feelings with BB.
>>337152378
I didn't like it either, the setting isn't for me. I prefer dark fantasy over sickdark victorian. The weapons were also really limited and the pvp was shit.
I still like Dark Souls 1 the best but it's ridiculously broken. Poise is absolutely overpowered and looking how broken Havel's Ring and Ring of Favor were back then you could wear even the heaviest armor and still light role trough the game.
>>337153153
i am not that guy but i played it you retard and it was shit
>>337150880
DaS > BB > DeS > DaS3 > DaS2
Dark Souls 2 is the worst, now and forever.
>>337154315
While I had a unique and incredible experience with DeS when it came out in the west I don't see how DS3 is worst.
>>337146847
I don't have to apologize.I was never on the DaS3 bandwagon to begin with.The moment i saw the animations and that animu feel of them i knew that the game was going to be shit.
>>337153612
If you want a game with a tight balance then play some action game. RPGs are the one genre where worrying about balancing too much makes for a bland, forgettable game.
>>337154527
The animations in 3 are thousands of times better than the ones in 2.
>>337152213
Remove the line about rats and no one can tell what soul game you're talking about
>>337154606
In this case being completely broken makes the already bad second half of Dark Souls 1 even worse and more forgettable. I will hold off on my general opinion till the DLC for Dark Souls 3 is out though since the DLC for dark souls 1 was honestly only highlights from start to finish.
>>337154675
Did we play the same games?DaS3 feels like japanese trash.DaS2 feels like a proper game.
>>337154902
>bad second half of Dark Souls 1
>>337150880
>>337154252
Why do people suck DeS's dick so much? I played it a couple of years ago when this place kept saying it was still the best title and, while it was alright, it was nothing special. I know it came first and is the template for the soulsborne franchise but honestly compared to DaS it felt like a chinese bootleg version of DaS. Soundtrack was ass too. Its only quality that stands out is the atmosphere in some places and even then DaS still did that better.
Enlighten me plz
>>337154915
Are you insane? Even the character moves in a shit way in 2, everything is off. DeS, DS1 and 3 all have similar type of animations so you can fuck off you bioware shill.
Artorius of the Abyss > DaS 1 before endgame + Dukes Archives > BB > Dark Souls 2 SOTFS > Dark Souls 3 > Dark Souls 2 > Dark Souls 1 endgame > Dark Souls 3 infinite stamina bosses
>>337154902
More like the last 1/4. The fact its so short, is what saves it from being terrible.
>>337155113
good taste
I actually fell for the DSII is bad meme, for a while I too used to put it at the bottom of my rankings.
Last week I started playing DSII again after feeling DSIII was lacking somehow and because in my original run of DSII I never got around to doing the DLC areas.
I was amazed by how much more there is to this game than DSIII, it's not as polished as Bloodborne but you can tell much more effort went into making it. What's more, it's so much more fun to play.
I'm sorry DSII, I was wrong about you all along.
DeS>BB>DaSII (SotFS)/DaS>DaSIII
>>337155093
>DeS, DS1 and 3 all have similar type of animations
>if it feels similar it must be good
kill yourself console turd
>>337154902
The second half is exactly where the poor balance matters the least because you are fully upgraded at that point, so difference in power is pretty negligable compared to the early game. Look at it this way, sequence breaking to get good gear, upgrade materials and embers early isn't balanced, but it sure as fuck is fun. Making insanely powerful builds is very fun too.
>>337146847
But why? 3 is the best in the series. And I never said 2 was bad, just not enjoyable as the others.:)
>>337155113
>Artorius
>>337155003
Most fun pvp (not most balanced)
Best gimmick bosses
OST is on par with DS1
Best hub
Best NPCs
Best atmosphere and visual level design
>>337155093
Dark Souls 3 has a lot of similar animations because they could not finish revamping all of them.
Some of the new animations, like Swords and Daggers are completely insane.
Then we got the weapons who got to keep their animation, but got speed up. I.E Axes and Rapiers.
Then we got Spears, who are a 100% Dark Souls 1 carry over, but with enemies that recover and moves 2x faster. The spears are practically useless.
>it's a DaS2 did nothing wrong episode
>>337146847
How many times are you going to make this thread? People who dislike DaS2 aren't going to change their minds, and people who like DaS2 have no reason to apologize in this thread.
>>337155870
For every terrible decision Dark Souls 2 made, the fact remains: Unpatched it was one of the few games where you can play as a Faith character, and go full faith very very early. After one of the first bosses even.
Compared to
>No, did we mention all the damage spells are located in the last part of the new game
>Goingtothecatacombs.jpg
>>337151070
>WAAAAAAAH WHY ISN'T MY INVINCIBILITY BUTTON FREEEE WAAAAAAAAH WHY DO ARPGS REQUIRE STAT INVESTMENT WAAAAH
If i have to say good things about DS2 it would be powerstance, bonfire ascetics, the broken early game bell tower pvp and these chicks
>>337154902
>bad second half of Dark Souls 1
The whole game is bad
>>337156261
>needing stat investment for something based specifically on reaction time
>so disappointed with Dark Souls 3 that I want the souls series to end and either make a new series or a Bloodborne 2
I feel like Dark Souls 3 was solid as fuck but had the least amount of highlights.
1 had an incredible amount and even Dark Souls 2 had a little bit more even if the game had the most flaws and is ultimately worse.
>>337151526
ds2 fans will defend this
>>337156261
>dont level adp
>game is broken and you get hit by things that should not hit you
>level adp
>game is broken and things that should hit you dont hit you
everything about it its retarded and you are retarded
>hey what about you give a soul, and then you are invincible for more time when you roll and backstep, what about that
who the fuck thought this would be a good idea
>>337156682
>needing stat investment for something based specifically on reaction time
You mean like raising endurance so you can fastroll in heavy armor?
>>337156682
>needing
I have never invested a single point in ADP and have never had any trouble clearing DSII.
Never used a shield either, so I didn't just block as an alternative.
>>337157169
Are you him?
How does it feel to be playing DaS2 on a toaster?
>>337155113
AotA has really bland design. I mean the bosses are great, but everything else is shit.
>>337156978
>>dont level adp
>>game is broken and you get hit by things that should not hit you
more like get hit by things that SHOULD hit you
>>game is broken and things that should hit you dont hit you
so like DS1?
>hey what about you give a soul, and then you are invincible for more time when you roll and backstep, what about that
>who the fuck thought this would be a good idea
The morons who came up with "hey what about you give a soul, and then you can hold a sword that for some reason requires intelligence to swing properly"
>>337157112
That's not the same thing. There are alternatives to heavy armour that still allow you to fastroll but every character starts out with a shit amount of i-frames no matter what.
>>337157387
AotA is 4 medium areas with 3 great bosses.
Compared to Lord Souls areas: 1 great area and 6 short and shit areas.
AoTA has the advantage of not overstaying its welcome.
>>337156978
>don't level vig
>game is broken and you get killed by things that should not kill you
>level vig
>game is broken and things that should kill you don't kill you
You're retarded. The only thing ADP did was make PvP level brackets about 20 soul level's higher.
>>337155696
I love the PvP and DeS is my favorite game, but in a lot of ways it's awful.
Just out of the list there, the NPCs are worse than DaS and the atmosphere and level design is strictly worse than BB. Like all of the Shrine is awful, the drawbridge is shit, the swamp is shit, and Stonefang is generic Dwarfshit Thaigs/Deeproads from fucking Dragon Age.
Can't tell which is worse. DaS2 apologists or MGS4 apologists after Phantom Pain was released.
>>337157491
Wow, it's like they're supposed to be weak and bad at fighting at the beginning
DaS2 has:
>best PvP by a longshot
>best weapon variety
>actually balanced magic
>best armor variety
>most content
>most replayability
>b-b-but muh SM that only matters if I play for 400 hours I want poisestabfests and r1 dark sword ganksquads get gud muh beeteem
Just how shit does someone's taste have to be to consider the pile of dogshit that was DS2 a good Souls game? Or is this just hipster contrarianism?
>>337157351
>ADP 9
I wouldn't go that high personally.
I first played on PS3, but I'm playing through SotFS on PS4 now.
>>337158102
Keep moving those goalposts, bud.
>>337157469
>more like get hit by things that SHOULD hit you
like the webm i posted champz?
>>337157738
no its not you dont even know anything about the game you are defending you retard
>>337158297
>hipster contrarianism?
>DS2's superiority is universally agreed upon
>a few loudmouth hipsters disagree
>>337158297
Considering DaS1 is literally half a game and DaS3 is shit, I'd say it's the best Souls game
>>337158406
ADP doesn't have shit to do with most of the dodges in that webm tho. It affects rolling iframes and only those. Dodges from weapon movesets are just timing and luck
>>337158406
>adp
>weapon moves
pick one
>>337158317
>I wouldn't go that high personally.
Neither would i but i started as a knight so this is his base ADP.
Clerics start with 4 and depraved with 6.
I really like great hammers lately.
>>337158530
>universally agreed upon
>universal
>there's a huge part of the Souls community that like every other game better
>but us DaS2 players, we're the majority yeah yup uh-huh
>>337157957
FFXIIIfags are getting kind of annoying lately.
>>337158102
"Muh lore" doesn't excuse the fact that needing to put points into a stat to get better at magically roll through things is dumb.
>>337158618
You're not fooling me, it's just not humanly possible to be this stupid. It's a pretense. Would you also consider pretending to like eating shit just because most people dislike that?
>>337158758
>91.8% weight
Well no shit you don't need agility.
>>337158297
It's not the taste, it's just the fact that Dark Souls 3 was much worse, so it made 2's flaws easy to overlook in comparison.
>>337158406
>attack animations
>being affected by ADP
No.
>>337158880
>put points into a stat to get better at magically roll through things
Literally putting points into END
>>337150186
BB would be good if it was longer than 3 hours.
3>2>1>Demons
that simple guys
>>337158912
>Well no shit you don't need agility.
Oh i'd love some agility to speed up my knives/bombs in PvP but i am too cheap to spend my souls on consumables.
Once i enter the high soul memory bracket i'll probably start buying all the crap i like.
>>337159061
No, that lets you use heavier equipment without getting slowed down as much because you can endure it's weight. END and ADP are apples and oranges.
>>337158730
>>337159031
you can see the guy being hit 200 times by the enemy without being damaged, what would never happened without adp leveled
>>337158297
It's mostly just people who are extremely bad/haven't played the series much. DaS2's mechanics are clunky and simplistic and the bossfights are all piss easy, so both PvP and PvE lend themselves to scrubs and casuals.
>>337150351
Reminder that /v/ has considered DaS2 a let down ever since the first week of release.
>>337159249
Did you put your arrows the wrong way around by mistake?
DeS>BB>1>2>3
>>337159313
He's not rolling through those attacks though.
>>337159504
/v/ considered Dark Souls 2 a let down ever since it was announced that Miyazaki wasn't directing it, so that doesn't really mean much.
>>337159530
switch des with 1 tho
>>337159530
If you unironically finished playing Dark Souls you aren't qualified to post about vidya.
>>337158896
>>337159313
>SHITPOSTING SHIELD: ACTIVATE
Dude, you have no fucking idea how the game works and you're proving it crystal fucking clear
Consider killing yourself
>>337159574
>/v/ considered Dark Souls 2 a let down ever since it was announced that Miyazaki wasn't directing it
You mean since it was announced to have a PC release.
>>337152693
Just started it a few days ago. Runs amazing but I want the pursuer to go and stay go
>>337159402
>Their just bad at it :^)
What does that say about the people who finished and still say it's garbage?
I think all 3 are good. They each have their own weaknesses. DaS2 weapon and build variety with DaS3's bosses and hitboxes would be incredible.
I kind of want to see them release a game that's literally just all 3 put together. All the bosses, all the weapons, everything. Would be fun.
>>337157738
>any form of pvp meta in ds2
top fucking kek
>>337146847
>The From Syndrome
>Muh DaS2 was better than 3!
No, no it isn't
>>337158406
Where did that guy get those animations...?
>>337160165
>Dark Souls 2 hitbox meme
>>337160195
You really need to be brain damaged to actually enjoy the R1 spam uninspired linear garbage that is Dark Souls 3, or play the games only for boss fights because those are the only things that redeem it somewhat.
>>337160294
I love Dark Souls 2, my power stance whip playthrough was my favorite run of any souls game, even more than my first DeS run. The hitboxes are fucking awful though.
>>337151664
I got up to fume knight without knowing about adp and I never use a shield in these games. It's completely doable. ADP just makes it so the game breaks in your favor.
>>337160395
>R1 spam uninspired linear garbage
This describes every game other than Demon's Souls and Bloodborne though.
>>337146847
Nope, DaS2 may be liked by PvPfags but still its the inferior souls game. Chariot was a good boss tho, remind me to the gimmick boss fights of DeS
>>337148425
It's almost as if /v/ isn't one single person.
>>337156978
>>337156978
Spot on with the ADP part. The mimics did that shit to me in das1 too though. All the fucking time. I'm so glad they can't bullshit grab you in 3. At least I haven't had issues yet...
>>337151664
>there are literally undodgeable attacks in the game
What are those attacks if i may ask?I consider running away from an attack a dodge too.
>>337160575
Are you retarded? Bloodborne's just as bad if not worse, only saved by the superior moveset. The other games actually require you to dodge and counter and punish mashing.
>>337146847
I never actually encountered this thing in ds2.
best pvp of the series
>>337159297
>it's OK needing to raise a stat to do things
>it's not OK needing to raise a stat to do things
>>337148425
>v is one person
>>337159297
>>337146847
Stop making these fucking threads, you fucking loser. DaS 2 is and will always be a fucking piece of shit.
>>337159625
DeS is better than DaS in pretty much every way that matters.
Better bosses, better levels, better music, better characters.
>>337161141
How can it even compete with DS1
goty 2014
>>337161340
nice meme
Guys I don't think I'll ever end up beating the DS2 ice DLC, am I missing anything?
>>337161548
Yes. One of the best areas in the series. Unless you're talking about the snowstorm section in which case nope.
>>337161145
>it's not OK needing to raise a stat that determines what armour you can wear and affects defense, resistances and poise
>it's OK needing to raise a stat that affects some abstract thing that makes you roll better just because
>>337161262
simply ebin reaction image
DaS II is the most bland and forgettable game ever, I have zero interest to ever replay it
>>337161548
>Guys I don't think I'll ever end up beating the DS2 ice DLC, am I missing anything?
Use the wiki if you are really really stuck.
http://darksouls2.wikidot.com/frozen-eleum-loyce
>>337161463
it cant
*teleports you from behind*
nothing personell, kid
>>337161548
whole lotta wasted time and back-tracking
>>337161757
>abstract thing that makes you roll better just because
Bet you just panic roll through shit instead of actually timing them
>>337161832
Damn right it can't
>>337161757
>it's not OK needing to raise a stat that raises your survivability
>it's OK needing to raise another stat that raises your survivability
top kek
>>337161962
You're the reason why Dark Souls 3 sucks so much. Fuck you, buddy.
>>337161894
It's the shockwave.
>>337161894
he is supposed to put his hand between his legs, it looks weird because of the stairs
DaS1 > DaSIII = Bloodborne > DaSII
>>337162058
what are you on about
>>337155113
This is objectively correct.
Anyways. I prefer DS2 over 3 because it did things differently. DS3 is just DS1 with a bigger number on the end and a lmao throwbacks.
It doesn't create anything new, it doesn't expand the story properly. Hell, it doesn't even have a proper ending nor explains the story well at all. At least Dark Souls 2 had explanations with SOTFS.
I also preferred the DS2 slower combat, as you could anticipate things easier. Instead of these CUUHRRAAAZZZZYYYY Bloodborne enemies jumping and dodging your shit constantly, whereas you cannot even get a hit off unless you're using meme weapons.
>>337146847
Dark Souls 3 was a disappointment, but Dark Souls 2 is a trash game.
It feels like shit, it looks like absolute shit, the progression isn't fun, the bosses are lazy and uninspired (almost as uninspired as Dark Souls 3's). Every mechanic is anti-fun.
>>337155113
SOFTS is not better than 3, no way
Also your entire way of ranking is autistic
>>337161448
>Better bosses
More original and varied, yes. Better? They're piss easy and gimmicky as all hell so I guess it depends on what you want from a boss fight. No boss in the series has ever been as fun and cool for me as my first time fighting False King, but at least half of the bosses have virtually no replay value whatsoever whereas there are plenty of bosses in DaS that are fun after multiple times through, especially in the DLC.
>>337146847
>DaS3
>shitshow
>>337162151
The way backtracking was handled is what made Dark Souls 1's world good. The way Eleum Loyce used backtracking was also what made it such a damn good area, especially since it actually encouraged you to use its shortcuts despite warping. But you faggots seem to hate actual exploration and prefer a straight line with dead ends and shortcuts that are glorified checkpoints before bosses.
>>337146847
No because for all you can say against 3, 2 was much much worse.
The only thing in the entire game that was good about 2 was the dlc. The dlc areas were actually fun to play and the characters they added were fun to fight. Every other area in 2 felt like a slog compared to 3
>>337162208
>It feels like shit
This is what ruined it for me. DasII's weapons felt like butter-knives compared to the ones of DaS
>>337161495
Your opinion is the shitty meme, you shitters started emerging around the release of the PC/SOTFS versions.
>>337161978
the only thing ds2 changed about that was removing poise
>>337162162
No it isn't.
>>337162162
>Dark Souls 2 had explanations with SOTFS.
>At least Game had explanations with an expac vs. game which does not yet
Oh wow.
But I enjoyed Dark souls 3 more than the other 2 games before it
>>337162281
DSIII is the worst entry in the series.
>>337161978
> sample with obviously hacked stats is relevant
seriously ?
fuck PCcucks
>>337162105
Reminder that this isn't a bug. This is how the game deals with hit detection:
>enemy begins attack
>is player in range? If yes, they will get hit no matter where they are when the attack actually reaches them
>you MUST dodge to activate iframes to avoid taking damage
>actually getting out of the way of the attack doesn't even matter
>>337150186
>>337150880
>>337153401
Wait is DeS3 really this good? I heard it was an improvement on 2 but better than 1? srsly? Making me want it even more but I'm such shit tier internet for downloading currently + on a bit of a budget.
>>337146847
I am about to replay DaS1 since I missed all of the DLC stuff my first playthrough, STR or DEX?
>>337162448
Except it also made guard breaking much more viable, and removing poise by itself already would make a situation like that much less cancerous.
>>337162518
Yeah you're a faggot
>my opinion is better: the thread
>>337162527
it's a different kind of game. It's a good deal harder, too. Better than DaS? I don't know if I can answer that, it's a tough call.
>>337162010
Don't move the goalposts, faggot.
>>337162476
Considering how you kekolds praise A team over B team, you'd think Miyazaki would deliver a better story? It seems not. He'd rather do the same story again and not introduce anything new at all or explain things well.
>>337162597
90% of all discussion among human beings is over opinion
>>337162718
well yeah is there any point arguing over facts?
>>337162574
See >>337162713
As I said. You'd expect them to deliver a story with an actual ending, considering this is your praised Miyazaki, within the base game. But it seems he can't even do that right.
Worded myself poorly. Not trying to bait.
>>337159634
Well, if by "finished Dark Souls" you mean "beat the game once and then said 'Well, I'm done with this game forever!'", then yes, you're right.
Otherwise, here's a free (You)
Is this bait or this the Zelda cycle?
>tfw made a qt in DS2
>can't replicate her even partially in DS3
>>337162428
The movement is horrible.
>>337162527
Only if you value bosses, graphics and novelty over good world design, encounter design, combat, pvp, build variety and balance.
>>337162392
>The only thing in the entire game that was good about 2 was the dlc. The dlc areas were actually fun to play and the characters they added were fun to fight.
Who started this bullshit anyway? The DLC for DaS2 is the same crap people complained about in the main game turned up to 11.
And Crown of the Ivory King is the second worst shit to ever grace any Souls game. There's nothing fun about it, it's From at it's laziest yet.
I've always preferred Dark Souls 2 to 1 and now 3.
It tried to do things differently. Whereas 3 just copies 1 and waters things down in favour of fancier graphics.
2 is also nicely nonlinear in the first part and you can also choose to do the DLCs in any order at (almost) any time (assuming you've done the relevant prerequisites). 3 is just a lot more linear and I doubt the DLC will fix that.
2 also has a high variety of areas, sure some might look rather boxy and others might look a bit shitty, but there's a decent amount of variety
3 is very short, re-uses the same area 3 times with firelink, has a fairly large castle lothric area that gets very samey, then there's lots of swamp and catacombs and anor londo, these things are far too reminiscent of dark souls 1 and it just comes across as lazy.
both 3 and 2 don't feel like the areas are lifting their designs from real world locations. it's actually worse in 3 since everything has this high fantasy design to it, whereas 2 is a lot more dark fantasy like it should be
3 also doesn't have the bonfire ascetic system which is disapointing
>>337162527
Story and lore: 1
Level design and gameplay: 3
Covenants: 2
>>337162961
Everyone knows it but people will always try to pass it off as an ADP problem.
>>337150186
Nah, it will always be this.
>DaS3=BB=DaS2=DaS1>DeS
Every game has brought improvements but has also taken a few steps back.
>>337163054
The only DLC I enjoyed for it was Sunken because of that area design. Prety much the rest of it was crap but damn that was one hell of an area to have fun exploring.
>>337162527
Doesn't fall apart midway through.
>>337163054
>There's nothing fun about it
Exploring a big, open, interconnected, consistent area in search of secrets that are hidden all over the place isn't fun? Gathering your own squad of knights to take on the boss that has been built up during the entire area isn't fun? The most creative and engaging invader NPC isn't fun? What IS fun to you?
>>337162713
Blame lorefags like ENB for that. LOOK AT THIS BROKEN STRAIGHT SWORD HILT HERE, COULD THIS BE GWYN'S FIRST BORN USING THE PENDANT TO TIME TRAVEL BACK TO AGE OF FIRE TO PREVENT SEATH FROM BECOMING SCALELESS?
Demon's Souls storytelling
>background, setting, and game objectives all explained clearly
>info on the game universe expanded upon through dialogue and item descriptions
Dark Souls "story"memeing
>LOL AMBIGUOUS BULLSHIT THAT DOESN'T TELL YOU ANYTHING
>barely any idea who you are or why you're doing anything
>item descriptions are vague so as to leave plenty of room for souls jewtubers to shill their theories
>muh nihilist endings where nothing you do matters
>>337162524
thats even worst, because all the devs know its autistic and retarded and they do nothing about it because they dont give a shit about the game, this is not fine just because its intentional
>>337162920
theres something wrong about ds2 faces but i cant tell what is it
>>337163184
I think Dark Souls 2 would have been better if it had released last month and was also a bit more open world and interconnected, and also had a lot of stuff we saw in Dark Souls 3 mixed into it.
You could probably connect most DS2 and 3 locations together in a nice big open world ARPG map.
>>337163054
fuck yourself, it was the one of the only good areas in the entire game. It actually looked nice, you were exploring to find more knights for the bossfight which was a neat idea, it was actually a bed of chaos done right, the bosses were interesting and fun to fight (minus 2cat), it had a cool secret area you could access, and I actually felt like I was exploring a cool ice fortress and having engaging and challenging encounters rather than any other area in the base game which felt like a boring layout with a handful of enemies thrown around in groups.
>>337163081
>Some might look shitty
All the areas in Dark Souls 2 look shitty.
The ones you can argue look cool like Shrine of Amana are horribly designed and also still look like garbage.
>Dark Souls 3 is linear
Yeah, it is, but at the same time if you're good you can do the sequence break and kill Dancer early giving you access to some cool stuff.
Most of the games are fairly linear, Dark Souls 2 "looks" like you can go 4 ways in the beginning, but you can only go to Heides or the Forest. The Gutter and the Forked Road are blocked by requiring ladders and a fragrant branch.
Sure, you can kill Dragon Rider then go to Huntsman's Copse but that's basically one of the two intended routes, the other being going to the Bastille.
>hipsters
I just want a Souls game which puts the focus on the multiplayer.
The only reason anyone gives a shit about the Souls series is because of the groundbreaking 'pseudo-multiplayer' elements in the original game. Then instead of expanding on that, they're just been scaling it back.
Dark Souls 6 is just going to be a soulless shitfest where the only kind of multiplayer allowed is you can summon ten helpers to escort you through every level.
DaS>DeS>BB>3>2
>>337163339
sunken king felt like it was over too fast. I really felt like I didn't get a chance to explore that cool looking aztec pyramid enough. Ice fortress and chained fire pillars were also awesome level designs. I can't think of anything in the base game that came anywhere close to being that interesting.
>>337163659
You can get down The Gutter by buying the cat ring, and you can get the fragrant branch down there and use it to unlock the path to the fork road.
>>337163459
yea but dark souls have MUCH more lore than des, and if you want to discover things about des and the lore theres not much a lot really, just some cool things here and there, and thats all. i like the mystery of ds1 , but its different from the mystery of ds2, because in ds2 not even the devs know what is going on and when you discover things by putting items descriptions together etc its just shitty and not interesting as it was in ds1 and bloodborne.
>>337163687
>the only reason anyone gives a shit about souls is multiplayer
IM GONNA STOP YOU RIGHT THERE.
The pvp and co-op was a nice little addition to Demon's Souls, but Demon's was not reliant on it by any stretch. It was a game focused on character building, exploration, and good level design, while not being even remotely hand holdy, and using extreme restraint in things like cutscenes.
A ton of encounters in Dark Souls 2 and 3 are basically encouraging you to co-op by having gank squads or enemies duplicating.
>>337162281
3 would have a amazing game, had the Bloodborne improvements been finished.
Instead we got 2 Bloodborne endgame bosses, 2 weapon types with new animations, a lot of weapons with speed up animations, and some with Vanilla Dark Souls 1 and 2 animations(i.e Spears).
We also got Bloodborne enemies with no poise, which is fucking shit.
And we got a lot of shit content, and too many short shit areas(I.E Road of Sacrifices).
Also too much shit Japanese content(Tengus, Nameless King, The Masters, Curse Tree, etc), without any effort put into them beyond the Curse Tree.
>>337163405
Same fucking knights in groups again, same types of bosses again, the laziest pre-boss gauntlets yet, bland level design, those fucking respawning reindeer...
For fuck's sake, Ivory King reuses bosses within the DLC itself. Anyone who claim it's anything but shit can go fuck themselves.
>>337163816
Cat Ring requires 16000 souls or something.
So you're effectively killing at least one boss to get that kind of dosh, and when you're low level those souls are better spent on levels.
You can argue these things if you want, but at the end of the day, it's absolutely not as open as Dark Souls 1 or Demon's Souls. Dark Souls 3 is even less so.
>>337163794
example, covetous demon from ds2:
>There once was a man whose deep affections were unrequited. He transformed into the Covetous Demon, which only made him lonelier than before.
>mfw
fuck that, this is not interesting or creative, is just a fat guy, that became jabba from star wars for whatever reason
>inb4 aldrich and king allant are the same
no it's not the same they didn't became deformed because they were hungry or because they were lonely its because they absorved souls and shit
LITERALLY unplayable garbage
>>337163964
They don't really encourage you to do that because even the biggest groups of enemies become broken as soon as another person enters the scene. It's just the simplest ways to make encounters more engaging, 1v1 fights tend to be unchallenging to any more experienced player, so groups are a quick and lazy way to give veterans more of a challenge without severely changing the core design of the games.
>>337163659
You can also go to FotFG and get a fragrant branch off of melentia and go to the shaded woods that way
There's a few other branches further down the heide's/no man's/bastille route too.
it's still fairly non-linear compared to DS3. Being locked out of the archives until you've killed Aldrich/Watchers/Yhorm is a bit shit.
>>337163964
>The pvp and co-op was a nice little addition to Demon's Souls
>literally one of the focal points of every single DeS trailer, one of the things that received the most praise by reviewers, and probably the single most unique and recognizable things about the series in general
>a nice little addition
>>337162527
I wouldn't say better since it's mostly a Retread in the Super Metroid Sense but it's pretty much on Par with what made Dark Souls and Demon's Souls fun and entertaining for me at least.
All the Homages to Demon's Sous were nice.
Things that make 3 a shit game:
>unbalanced as fuck(hopefully gonna be fixed)
>no sure-fire guardbreak anymore
>useless covenants
>being virtually forced to farm covenant items
>shit weapon variety
>bland world
>no ascetics
>fuckton of bonfires, same of them are actually useless to the player
>aside from some bosses it's still easy
>no point in item durability anymore
>no powerstancing
>poise literally turned off
>shit fashion
>shit story that doesn't g anywhere
>convoluted NPC questlines which are hillariously easy to break
>fast roll under 70%
>another shitty swamp that no one likes
>estus chugging is back
>shitty NPCs, most of them are either straight up clones or expys with next to no dialogue
>weapon infusion limited as fuck
>no PvP arena
>terrible fashion, with sets mixing terribly for the most part
>literally being forced to wear equipment on all slots because the defences are flat %s
>boring NG+
>most weapons have the same WAs
>weapon upgrade memory aka soul memory 2.0
And some others I forgot about.
>>337164051
>We also got Bloodborne enemies with no poise, which is fucking shit.
What's wrong with that? BB doesn't have poise either.
>>337155003
>Enlighten me plz
Sony only so much like BB Sonyggers will eat that shit up and call it the best ever.
>>337159504
I remember since us Euros had to wait a few days after it was released in the US and the whole of /v/ were losing their shit at how bad the game was
>>337163687
the only reason people summon at the beginning of levels instead in front of boss gates is because pvp is so crazy now.
Instead of just one person maybe breaking into your game you can have like 3 or more different factions all fucking about in your level in an environment that's much more dangerous than the previous souls games.
Not to mention, you get waaay more souls for beating enemies in a summoners world than beating a boss in a summoners world. I don't know what they changed but I feel like I get like 40,000 souls just for going through anor londo and killing invaders and enemies and i get fucking nothing for helping someone kill a boss
>>337164198
Only in SotFS ya fucking pleb.
>>337164085
>posting dickstrokephil
>>337146847
If anything DS3 made DS2 look even worse.
>>337164213
Funny how "homages" are called "rehash shit" when it's any other game or company doing it but suddenly once it's your precious Dick's Holes Fromsoft are geniuses for reusing bosses, characters, and story elements.
>>337158406
The problem with these enemies wasn't the hit box it was their tracking and infinite combos. Try harder.
>>337164148
theres a game released in the same year called skyrim, you will surely enjoy it
I miss the fashion.
>>337164281
Bloodborne is designed around no poise.
Dark Souls 1 has some design idea that players are suppose to have some Poise, and a shield for learning.
The only good thing about Dark Souls 3 is that shields is insanely viable in PvE because of how they work, except they don't block % damage for shit anymore.
>>337164405
>Only in the definitive version of the game; the version anyone discussing DS2 would be referring to.
>>337164067
>Same fucking knights in groups again
So? They're some of the best designed knights in groups in the game. They're the easiest to backstab, the tracking is pretty lenient and they are fairly slow and very predictable. What "pre-boss gauntlet"? There is only one, and while it IS shit, it's the only bad part of the area. The fight against Aava and the fight against Ivory King are unlike anything else in the game. Ivory King himself is fairly basic, but that's because the fight isn't just a straightforward 1v1 duel, if they made him more aggressive and hard to predict then repeating the raid would become tiresome. Not to mention the fights are actually built up during the area, instead of coming out of nowhere like most Souls bosses. Also "bland level design"? Are you serious? It's the only level in Dark Souls 2 or 3 which actually uses its shortcuts to do something meaningful rather than serving as checkpoints before bosses, which makes it on par with the better areas of Dark Souls 1.
>>337164521
ornstein was the best ds2 boss imo
>>337164556
did i write ''hitbox'' in my post?no?
that's what i thought
>>337151373
I remember pre patch DS2 having incredible hihg speed heal miracles. Holy fucking shit, it was amazing. Fuck the nerf to that.
>Miyazaki took away all my cool armors and replaced them with generic garbage
>can't even make a blonde qtpi anymore
>>337164662
Poise was introduced to make Armor viable.
Everyone in Demon's Souls just used Black Leather, Binded or Ancient Kings because it was the best armor set in terms of not fucking over your stamina regen and giving you a decent amount of armor.
Poise was a great way to balance the reduced stamina regeneration and higher equipload for armor while making it so you aren't totally fucked over if you do get it since rolling is heavily favored in these games.
Demon's Souls and Dark Souls 3 both have ridiculous fucking stunlock on enemies and players, it kind of makes it shitty to play.
>>337153236
Yes and op keeps posting modded pics as well.
>>337164838
>someone trying to use healing miracles in PvP
>run in to punish/interrupt
>it was actually WotG
>>337164378
>the only reason people summon at the beginning of levels instead in front of boss gates is because pvp is so crazy now.
As someone who's spent ~600 hours doing red invasions in DS2 and ~120 so far in DS3, no. I would estimate 75% of my invasions featured the host and two gold phantoms just breezing through the level spamming down all the enemies from 50 miles away with lightning spear.
>>337164746
>The fight against Aava and the fight against Ivory King are unlike anything else in the game.
You cannot be serious...
>>337164746
>There is only one, and while it IS shit, it's the only bad part of the area.
And not only this, but the area was designed explicitly with co-op in mind. Complaining about how hard it is to solo would be like choosing to use a broken straight sword and then complaining that you deal no damage.
>>337164649
>Play Dark Souls 3
>Get Dragonslayer Spear to +5
>Get Leo Ring and one of the buffs(Lloyd Sword Ring, Power Within, etc)
>Use the Special on a boss
>Deal only 800 damage and be stuck in recovery animation until boss performs counter attack
>Use Normal attack
>200 damage
>Could have performed 3 sword attacks in same time frame for 900+ damage
>>337164882
>That black guy
>>337164781
That's what the webm you posted was showcasing, the correlation between adp and hitboxes. Regardless there are many more problems with DS2 than solid design choices
>>337165071
Which bosses are they similar to, exactly?
DS2 had the rat covenant which was kinda unique.
Oh and the dark covenant was a neat little sidequest type thing.
also blue eye orbs
>>337164945
Demon Souls at the least was playtested and designed around the poise. Even if they most likely found it to be fucking shit like 50% into making it, and added hyper armor to some of the slower super weapons.
>>337165115
>And not only this, but the area was designed explicitly with co-op in mind.
That's not exactly a good idea in a predominantly single player game.
Dark Souls 2 is fantastic
>>337150186
Nah
BB>DaS3>DeS>DaS1>DaS2
DaS2 had the best PvP though. BB had the worst
>>337165135
>feast upon defecation
Every time
>>337146847
Absolutely not, ds3 still better than ds2
