Legion in combination with the movies might bring a lot of people back.
It might be TBC 2.0 a silver age of sort for WOW.
What do you think /v/ ?
i think you're a fucking faggot, OP
No.
I really wish I could hurt you. I'll omit my autism and say everytime I see these and diablo 3 RoS threads I'm consumed with an impotent hate. I don't know who to direct it towards, I don't know why I have it - but it's a tangible thing, and I really loathe you.
I hope you're a paid shill. Only someone with a mental illness believes in blizzard - only someone who eats shit would believe the lies of legion, or the garbage that is overwatch.
>>337141931
With release of Legion the Subscribers will peak at 10 million again, if Legion is good it might keep them unlike WoD
>>337142003
>>337142000
It's gonna be good, have you seen beta?
>>337142091
What are you talking about aside for a slight misstep of WoD Blizzard has been on fire.
Overwatch, LoTV, HotS, RoS, Hearthstone are some of the best games on the market
/v/ circlejerks how WOW sucks, /tv/ circlejerks capeshit, /pol/ circlejerks Trump.
Shit... 4chan is literally turning into reddit.
>>337142097
It won't. No one is buying this bullshit anymore about how the game is going to be good again. No one trusts Blizzard anymore, they just feed complete bullshit to make it seem like everything is going to be fine and great and then it's always shit.
No one is going to buy Legion except delusional fan boys because no one trusts Blizzard at all anymore when it comes to WoW
>>337141931
ROFL. How much is Blizzard paying you to shill this, honestly?
>>337141931
is there any chance blizzard goes bankrupt if the movie makes like $300
>>337142391
2/10
I hope the movie bombs just because those turboniggers in charge decided to use humans instead of CGI. What the fuck? The only reason anyone wanted a WoW movie in the first place is because those FMVs in Starcraft/Warcraft/Diablo were always well done, for the time at least.
Legion is going to blow ass somehow. I like the class changes, I like what I read about the quests, I like what I read about Mythic+. Everything seems like it should at least be fun and keep me around for more than a few months this time...But it's Blizzard. Their recent track record makes me about as skeptical as it gets. I'll never get over how hard they fucked up on Diablo 3.
>>337142391
>misstep
When you lose over half of your subscribers, I believe that is more of a full blown fuck up.
>>337144147
Blizzard won't go bankrupt anytime soon but I can guarantee this will be the last WoW expansion.
nada
>>337142880
I'd take reddit over /pol/ users any day.
They are like the political version of /r/atheism
>>337146495
do you think they will start legacy servers once legion failed and they go below 1M subscribers?
They killed a large number of the characters in the intro mission alone. It's like they know WoW's days are numbered and few.
>>337141931
>>337142097
>>337142391
This obvious shilling is hilarious. People on 4chan don't fucking talk like this.
I refunded my preorder about a month ago, it just didnt feel like WoW to me. Ill either keep playing on vanilla servers or play other games.
>Artifacts
What if I want to wield a weapon/weapons that are different to the artifact? Like say, what if my class/spec artifact is a staff but I want a main hand and off-hand?
>>337147220
That picture is obviously someone pretending to be a shill.
Companies are not retarded. They don't send a robot with a script.
>>337142880
>turning into reddit
but reddit circlejerks bernie
>>337147645
you're fucked I guess the only thing you can do is mog it.
>>337147430
I talked about people like you with friends a couple of days ago and we couldn't figure out what the fuck is wrong with you. Now that I have the chance I have to ask: Why would you PREORDER legion after 5 years of garbage tier WoW? I'm not trying to be a dick here, I genuinly can't understand how you could preorder a game that has been unplayable for so long where the last three expansions have been complete garbage?
>>337147760
>people pretending to be a shill pretending to not be a shill
can we go deeper?
>>337141931
>>337142391
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>>337147957
mop was good
>no it wasnt xd
faggot
>>337142391
overwatch
scII
HoTS
D3
have all been universally panned, even by many blizz shills because they hall have the same fucking problem;
blizzard made games nobody actually wants
>>337148064
We are all fragments of the schizophrenic psyche of a single person. This thread is one person. They are a shill but deep down they know what they are doing is wrong, so other personalities fight it.
>>337147957
I wanted the free character boost that came with it because of arenas and I figured I'd be playing legion anyways so in the end it would be cheaper than buying a boost and then buying legion. I realize leveling isnt hard either, but I wanted it that night and I had the resources to make that happen. And at that point I was so sick of leveling I would have rather just not played that class than leveled it to 100
I agree with you though, in the end it was pretty stupid. But blizzard still refunded me like 6 months after the fact
>>337148064
Well, if I were a shill, I'd do robotic/obvious shills for my competitors to hurt their image.
So if I were trying to sell PS4's I'd come on here and give a bland essay on how perfect the Xbox One is, then more human responses calling me a shill.
>>337141931
>TBC 2.0
Nigger WoD was suppost to be TBC 2.0
>tfw WoW won't have a sad but sweet "Thank you for playing" ending
Everyone dying and the movie being a disaster is a huge sign Warcraft is ending.
>>337148508
>the movie being a disaster is a huge sign Warcraft is ending.
As much as I hate that not canon piece of shit I don't think it will flop.
>>337142000
This. Thread is now over.
>>337148508
>the movie being a disaster
explain?
They would have to rehaul the entire game to unfuck it.
>>337148218
what?
>>337148348
oh so you're still actually playing WoW? I didn't think anyone on /v/ would still play that game desu. when did you start?
>>337148850
I'm not the guy you replied to but the movie does look like shit desu. They should have done it when WoW was still a game loved by millions. People would have watched the movie despite it being shit just because of their love for the warcraft universe.
>tfw some of your friends are legimately excited for the warcraft movie
>>337141931
>can max every single profession and choose 2 active ones
>class garrison missions
>artifact weapons
>MMO that lost any right to call itself an RPG
>LoL-tier game community
>20 million gold cap
>Damage per seconds in the hundreds of thousands
>tanks with half a million HP
>gutting class abilities for your Moba style gameplay
i can keep going if you'd like
>>337149248
>mfw i'll force my dad to go see it as a bonding experience
>mfw i have no face
>>337149017
Ive just playing on private servers (nost/kronos), my sub ran out months ago. I've been playing since around the time dire maul was brought into vanilla, cant remember when exactly that was, 2005 I think
>>337149248
It's by a good director so maybe it won't be shit
The trailers make it look awful though
>>337149223
The opinions of a bunch of cynical contrarian neckbeards on /v/ don't mean much. These people have been saying "WoW is dead" since 1.5 years into Vanilla WoW.
>>337149423
oh also, I didnt play during cata or mop at all
>>337149457
The music doesn't fit at all. Plus the marketing feels like it's catering to the lowest of the low.
>"GLHF"
>ORC AGGRO. GET THE TANK
Pax trailer looked pretty good though.
>>337149423
>>337149524
I played on nost and kronos too and that experience completely ruined modern WoW for me because I could see how much the game turned to shit and that it was not just my nostalgia making me long for vanilla/tbc WoW. that makes we wonder even more why you would preorder legion. did you not know that retail turned into a single player game?
>Blizzard sends all of WoW's top talent to work on a new game that ends up getting canned
>Those people either retire or go work on Overwatch, Hearthstone, Heroes of the Storm
>The director behind Cata and MoP leaves, joins Riot
>The WoW team is now almost entirely interns, people new to the industry, and people from failed MMOs
>At the "largest the development team has ever been," WoD had one content patch and there will be 14 months between it and Legion
Gee, I wonder why the game is shit now.
>>337149334
>Damage per seconds in the hundreds of thousands
Is that bad? Bad numbers are scary?
Sign up for beta on your accounts. Beta is starting this Thursday. You owe it to yourselves to at least try some things out before baselessly criticizing it.
>>337142391
>misstep
Releasing a game with an obscure glitch that has to be patched out is a misstep.
Leaking game play footage or a trailer a few days early is a misstep.
Losing over 3 million subscribers in one quarter and another 3 million in the following quarter, cutting enormous amounts of contents you promised your consumers, rehashing concepts your consumers are very vocally opposed to, and developing no new content for 14+ months, and have people, both fans and employees all around agree it's been the worse expansion to date is not a misstep, it's a fucking disaster of cataclysmic proportions.
>>337141931
>>337142391
kill yourself
>>337149995
>cutting enormous amounts of contents you promised your consumers
http://www.mmo-champion.com/threads/1874264-A-collection-of-all-known-cut-delayed-content-in-Warlords-of-Draenor
Most people in the thread say is not cutted out because they didn't promised it.
>>337141931
I've been following the alpha/beta and some of the features actually look good and promising, but i not convinced yet.
>>337147645
I can't confirm but i've heard that they will add apperances to those and/or possibility transmog it the way you want it.
>>337149887
if not for the stat squish in warlords, we'd be at what, hundreds of millions of DPS by now?
if blizzard's entire raid design is simply to make muh bigger numbers, they really are in a sad place
it took WoW 6 years to reach 30k DPS, yet less than 4 after that to reach 300k
what happened?
>>337149995
>it's a fucking disaster of cataclysmic proportions.
Hey, I see what you did there.
Funny, before WoD people considered Cataclysm to be by far the worst expansion. WoD makes it look good in retrospect.
>>337149223
If the Deadpool movie could be good, maybe Warcraft can be too?
>>337150352
I'm trying to understand what's the fucking problem.
>>337149519
>he opinions of a bunch of cynical contrarian neckbeards on /v/ don't mean much
well, obviously. the rapidly dwindling subscriber numbers do say something though.
>>337149887
it might be autism but I hate the high numbers too. makes the game seem like cheap trash. it's not rational but I just feel that way.
>>337149995
but they added a selfie cam, anon.
>>337149838
>The WoW team is now almost entirely interns, people new to the industry, and people from failed MMOs
Isn't this exactly what /v/ wants? I mean they want something new to mmo industry and this is the only way it will evere happen, new blood.
>>337149519
I was hyped for the warcraft movie until I saw the stills. They look like horseshit. I'm reserving ultimate judgment for when I see the actual movie but between the stills and the trailer I don't have my hopes up. At this point I think full CGI would've been better.
And "vanilla is dying" was a meme until last year when subs dropped to their lowest numbers ever since vanilla in only two quarters and Blizz stopped publishing them. This does in fact signal that WoW is dying, if not, already dead.
>>337141931
Do you play a Warrior, Shaman, Mage, or Rogue? Chances are you are going to hate it.
>>337150450
Yeah, but the game being shit and the movie being bad isn't the same thing. /v/ isn't most gamers in the world, either.
>>337150559
Assassination rogue is high tier like the original subt after the revamp.
>>337150508
They should work on their own game rather than ruin one of the only decent games (before WoD) left in the industry.
Wildstar was almost entirely people new to the industry, too. It had a lot of potential, but they screwed the pooch. Hopefully they get to try again someday, make a game worth a shit.
>>337150449
Back in burning crusade, we would go back and attempt Naxx40, because even at 70 the instance wiped us hundreds of times. And even though it was old content, there was still a challenge to go back and attempt to clear it.
In WotLK, Sunwell was still hard at level 80, though ToC/ICC gear quickly changed that, but for the first half of that expansion previous content was still incredibly hard.
In Cata, people still couldn't clear Heroic ICC without a little bit of challenge, though once people got into the first raid tier of the expansion, they were able to power through it like nothing.
And it has only gotten worse still.
Also, I'm not sure if trolling faggot or not, but a faggot you are.
>>337150743
>Wildstar was almost entirely people new to the industry
But they didn't do anything new they jut elevated tedious shit to a new level
>4 raiding guilds
>>337150827
>big numbers are bad because old content is srs bsns
>hurr you trolling because you don't agree with my autism
You're a fucking retard.
>>337149983
>You owe it to yourselves to at least try some things out before baselessly criticizing it.
Why? I'm not as masochistic as you
>>337150743
>people new to the industry
a good bunch of them were old wow devs.
and it doesnt matter if it was if the game was good before wod since blizzards policy is forward so its only good the see something new for a change.
>>337150352
I feel like a lot of it has to do with there being 4 raid difficulties, resulting in 4 different item levels of raid gear.
It will be interesting to see how the scaling goes in Legion since they changed it up a bit. You now reach those "sweet spots" for stats faster than before, and don't get as retardedly overpowered as quickly. Their aim is for there to be a gradual increase in power and not massive spikes we saw from ToT>SoO or t17>HFC.
Whether that actually happens or not is another story. So far it feels fine on the alpha. Specs like fire fury don't feel as shitty as they did at the start of an expansion when it comes to getting procs.
>>337150984
and you're the reason why WoW is a shell of its former self, and it will remain that way throughout Legion, keep paying Blizzard, you cuck.
>ability pruning
Fucking blizzard. Why are they so determined to make wow a 5 button game?
>>337151091
>le cuck xd
Amazing argument dude.
>>337149834
All I did was play arenas, there was nothing else really that I liked in the game, but honestly arenas were enough and it provided me with a competitive outlet. Also it wasn't like I put a lot of thought into it, I bought it at like 2 or 3am after I'd been drinking. I wanted a warrior right then and there and that was the easiest way of getting one. I decided I wasnt playing legion before I realized I could still return it (saw a forum post about some guy doing it and suceeding), I just figured the $40 or $60 or whatever it was was gone and didnt really worry about it
>>337150984
>immediately disregarding all old content once a new expac rolls around is a good idea
The only thing which could get me back into the game are legacy realms for Vanilla/TBC.
WoD/Legion are such a steaming pile of shit.
>>337150827
>Back in burning crusade, we would go back and attempt Naxx40
That's just because you're shit and didn't clear it when it was current content.
>>337151021
I got into alpha thanks to a friend and am glad for it. It's basically a demo that got rid of that itch to play WoW again. Even in Alpha, it's such a boring fucking game with the same mistakes of it's predecessors. The biggest difference this type around is I didn't drop $65 on it.
Legion will not "save" WoW. It'll sustain a few million subscribers, but it's not the radical expansion most of /v/ seems to expect.
>>337151237
Same m8, never touching the game again unless it's legacy.
>>337151280
>23 guilds cleared Naxx40 in NA
>>337150609
my first point was: they should have done the movie earlier, when a lot more people loved the game, remember?
>>337142000
Checked n Rekt
>>337151280
Almost nobody did you stupid nigger
>>337151210
I hate this too, but almost every MMO does it. Cataclysm was interesting in that leveling had been changed for a new experience, but now I wish the changes were gone or at least changed again because now it doesn't make sense that everything is still broken.
>>337141931
>legion will be TBC 2.0
that was WoD, you can tell by the spike in initial sales figures in its first month.
the only thing this will do is bring back the wrath emo kids who will main demon hunters and make youtube pvp videos with the sounds of death metal again.
but after the squished every classes abilities, reduced the stats on character page to one large number and 3 stats, and giving every class/player the same legendary weapon at the start.... WoW is Opera.
>>337141931
>followers, resources and shit are back
No thanks
>>337150352
>>337150449
I can't into the math behind it, but it has something to do with gear/stats inflation as content progresses. It trends upward at an exponential rate which is why three expansions into it, you get absurd HP and DPS numbers. This probably wouldn't be a problem except that the 32-bit client can't handle such large numbers and, honestly, it just looks silly seeing a bunch of 9,253,980 digits flashing across your screen.
>>337150450
if the numbers seem bad in any way, try to think it this way
we have defeated elemental lords, and black dragons. We defeated the lord of outland and banished a mighty demon. We killed an old god and the lich king. Not even a big bad orc infused with old gods power could stop as. We traveled to an alternate timeline to put end to a huge invasion. And now, we are facing the biggest armies of demons we have ever seen.
so of course its logical to have big numbers of damage with such achievements.
i just realized how much of a shill i sound but who cares, im anon
>>337150984
shouldn't you be standing around in your garrison right now? fuck off, twat.
>>337151409
Yeah, and you're bad for it. That's why the game had to keep getting dumber and dumber, for people like you.
>>337141931
Anyone who played "alpha" for a few hours knows that this is going to be another garbage expansion just like the last 3.
>>337150414
I honestly didn't think Blizzard could do any worse than Cataclysm, but man oh man, WoD sure proved that wrong.
>>337151623
okay
>>337151557
>This probably wouldn't be a problem except that the 32-bit client can't handle such large numbers
Now this is a good argument against big numbers, take note "le old content should be relevant for years" mongoloids.
>>337151593
shouldn't you be signing petitions? fuck off, twat.
>>337151662
Can confirm. I spent most of my time on the alpha killing alliance quest givers for artifacts.
>>337141931
Doesn't matter what they do, they've already killed the fundamental gameplay of WoW with easy mode, free epics, LFR... I mean LFR for fucksake, what's the point of playing at all, there's just a complete piss easy mode to beat all of the bosses... you used to do everything you could, band together in guilds because you HAD to just to get a chance to see into raids... all of the big raiding guilds are disbanding, and the whole game is just shit. They've already lost all the subs anyway, so they may as well stop this shit and just appeal exclusively to hardcore / oldschool players now.. they won't though. Best we can hope for is vanilla servers
>>337151662
So Reddit tier friends and family along with memelord guilds like Encore and Honestly?
Got it.
>>337151748
What the fuck is this image suppose to be? "Het" is the term yurifags use to refer to heterosexual romance.
No wonder you can't clear anything, you're a moron.
>>337151834
>Best we can hope for is vanilla servers
Why the fuck would Blizzard set up a superior version of their own game? Why on earth would anybody buy Legion if they could just play vanilla/bc/wotlk instead?
Would be a pretty retarded move by Blizzard.
>>337151169
To better compete with assfaggots.
>>337151861
If even reddit is telling you it's shit, you should probably listen.
>>337141931
Everything on the alpha forums has lead me to believe that (a) Legion will be released in an unfinished state and (b) it will have worse class design than even WoD. No thank you.
>>337151834
Ya I dont think the board members in charge of the decision making now realize how big of an impact the elite/hardcore players had on the community as a whole back in the day. It provided something to look forward to, or a measuring stick of sorts.
>>337142391
>hearthstone lumbers along for two fucking years with Naxxrammas and Goblins vs Gnomes
>oh thank god they're gonna start cycling sets, the long dark is finally over
>hey boss can we just give Shaman an unironic 4 mana 7/7? There's no gimmick, it's just a fucking 7/7 on turn 4. but muh overload
I'm pretty convinced that Hearthstone's success is entirely accidental against all efforts by the devs.
>>337141931
>>337151517
>>337149995
>>337151662
>Well, literally everyone seems to have hated WoD
>Even gaming websites panned it
>It is universally thought of as the game's absolute lowest point
>So how can we turn this around with our next expansion and make people interested in the game again?
>I know, let's refuse to learn from our mistakes at all and carry over all the elements people hated from WoD into our new expansion.
>No, not as some optional side thing for people who enjoyed them. Let's make them mandatory for artifact and story progression.
Blizzard has no fucking idea what they're doing at this point.
>>337151169
Me too m9 I miss hunters in BC. All those keybinds :^)
>>337152197
>Blizzard has no fucking idea what they're doing at this point.
They know the game is going to sell enough and that's the only thing they care about.
>>337141931
>no more weapons
>lolbringer
This should sum up where the game is going OP. Shame on you.
>>337151360
Way too many if you ask me.
>>337152104
Hearthstone was a complete accident. It was a side project by 10 or so people that Blizzard advertised as a casual tablet/mobile game. They did not expect it to take off like it has at all.
It cost next to nothing to develop and it costs next to nothing to maintain.
Now, here we are a few years later, and it's their most popular, top grossing game.
>>337152197
>I know, let's refuse to learn from our mistakes at all and carry over all the elements people hated from WoD into our new expansion.
BUT IT'S GOING TO BE DIFFERENT THIS TIME
BLIZZARD SAID SO
DELETE YOUR POST NOW
>flying mounts are good
>I like lfr/lfd
>ability pruning is good
>MoP/WotLK was the best expac
>the old talent trees were bad, these new ones are great!
>reforging/gemming/enchanting gear in an RPG was dumb anyways
>Legion looks like it might be pretty good!
what are some other crazy things teenagers/literal retards say these days /v/?
>>337152416
>what are some other crazy things teenagers/literal retards say these days /v/?
Flying mounts are bad
>>337151310
alright. kudos to your for being honest and answering my question in a way that makes sense. looks like buying/subscribing to WoW is now something akin to a drunken mishap. funny that.
>>337152398
Yeah it's a good story but I wish they'd hire some of Magic's consultants or something.
Or I dunno, not drop the fucking ball every 6 months with stuff you'd notice in routine play. HS scratches the CCG itch when you want it NOW, in your house or on your phone but stuff like Dr Boom is amateur dev tier MY OC I USE TO WIN shit.
>flying mounts are good
oh! found the retard!
>>337152416
i don't mind lfd if it restricted to your server and doesn't port you to the dungeon so that you have to run there but if it finds groups for you it's a good idea
>>337151861
What the fuck are you talking about you nigger? They gave alpha access to everyone who cleared Mythic.
>>337152416
I'm not going to say MoP was the best expansion or anything, but if you think it was bad you should probably just stop looking into Blizzard games in general. It was as good as Neo-WoW is going to get.
>>337152736
Yes?
I wanted to play WoW since TBC was released but sadly my PC was a toaster back then from all the porn my brother downloaded that bogged down the computer. Couldnt get it till i built my own PC a little after Cata. It was fun at the time but probably because all my friends in high school made a guild together so it was more of a "i like this game because my friends play". By the time MoP came out it was down to me and about 2 of my friends. Then WoD came and i was the only survivor and boy do i regret buying that shitshow. Havent played WoW since about a month after WoD released. I miss my old pals ;_;
>>337152479
Flying mounts are trash. God, I fucking hate blizzard for that one. I miss walk walking and exploiting places. It gave me just another way to show how I was drastically better than everyone else.
>>337152197
You have literally zero idea what you are talking about.
>>337142097
>10 million
I give them 4-5 mil peak for the first month
>>337152813
>LFD/LFR
>Flying mounts
>Abysmal class balance
>ability pruning
>new talent trees
>raids are piss easy
>SoO lasts for 12 months
It was a trash expansion.
>>337151559
ew.
>>337151821
>shouldn't you be signing petitions?
I already signed the petition.
>>337151834
because nobody wants legion while millions of people want vanilla and tbc. they would make more money.
>>337152982
Check out this good goyim from the MMOC forums.
>They will be back up to 12m+ subs when legion hits, and wont fall below 10m for the duration of the expansion.
Can you believe people are unironically this delusional?
>>337152416
>what are some other crazy things teenagers/literal retards say these days /v/?
Vanilla was good
>>337153494
Name 1 game you think is good.
>It might be TBC 2.0 a silver age of sort for WOW.
>Dont worry guys Cataclysm will bring back the good old days
>No i meant MoP! MoP will save us!
>No i meant WoD will do it. God bless you Chris Pardo TBC 2.0 here we come.
Stop this meme right now
>>337153428
They are called Blizzcucks for a reason.
>>337152479
cancer
>>337153428
Utterly delusional. The game has below 3 million actual humans playing it right now following WoD's subscription trends since Blizzard decided to stop releasing that information.
They really think the game is going to gain 10 million people when Legion hits?
>>337153623
>chris pardo quit after two months
we couldn't handle the guilt
>>337153494
Jokes on you, vanilla wasn't good. It still is.
>>337152872
imagine this but the wow you played was about 3 times as good
oh and everyone else was just starting out too
>>337152407
>>337153565
Not Vanilla WoW.
>>337153757
I really would love to know why you think it's so good.
It was dogshit aside from the community features.
>It might be TBC 2.0
People said that about MoP
WoD was literally the past versions of areas from TBC and even it wasn't good
They need to stop trying to recreate TBC and just make something good
>>337154083
>I really would love to know why you think it's so good
>Good RPG elements
>Good MMO elements
>Amazing world
>Fun gameplay
>Great content
gee I wonder why people loved vanilla. you're either too young to have played it or you're a paladin/druid cuck kys.
>>337154217
I'm no lore fag or anything, so I only know what people tell. Put it's not a past version of Outlands, it's something like an alternate universe where the Orc's didn't suck fel blood out of Mannoroth's dick so they never turned green.
>>337154317
not him, but ive been playing on kronos 2 since launch, most fun ive had in an mmo since 2009
rip kronos, ddos too strung
If they actually made content for their game maybe people wouldn't quit. Legions success depends solely on them having content patches. People complained about MoP but at least the Isle of Thunder patch had shit to do it in it.
Hell people consider ToC one of the worst raids but at least that patch added the Argent Tournament. There has to be an Ulduar patch in the middle or the same mistakes as WoD will be repeated
>>337154317
Holy paladins were the best healers in vanilla, druids were beasts in PvP.
>b-but muh class balance!
is mostly a meme from the official forums. We even had a feral tank, two shadows and even a retri in our guild.
>>337154498
>I'm not a lore fag
>Put it's not a past version of Outlands
Clearly. Outlands is literally a destroyed Draenor
>>337141931
>It might be TBC 2.0 a silver age of sort for WOW.
>$0.5 has been deposited to your bank account
>>337141931
>It might be TBC 2.0
That was suppose to be WoD. Blizzard managed to convince and recruit everyone they lost throughout the entirety of MoP to return for WoD and they dropped the ball so hard, they lost all those people they brought back plus an additional 3 million. In just under six months they managed to lose what took them four years to lose in previous expansions. You can't burn consumers this badly with a bait and switch and expect them to return in droves just because.
The meme used to be "WoW is dying!!!" now the meme is "<insert expansion here> will save WoW!!!"
>>337154746
>is mostly a meme from the official forums
I know. Retards who played those classes will still try and say it was unbalanced though.
>WoD in combination with the movies might bring a lot of people back.
>It might be TBC 2.0 a silver age of sort for WOW.
>What do you think /v/ ?
I knew I had seen this before a year ago. Almost the exact same wording too.
>>337149223
That, and I still hate the idea of Orcs and Humans teaming up to save the day when its supposed to be based on the original Warcraft.
Orcs are the fucking villains and always have been, I don't understand this big push to make them look like misunderstood anti-heroes now.
>>337154746
>>337154921
Because most Vanilla WoW discussion is from retards who get off hand information from Youtube comments 10 years later.
My favorite Vanilla WoW memes
>There were no shadow priests
>druids and paladins could only heal
>there were melee hunters look at the survival tree dude
The bizarre thing with the whole legacy thing is that they're basically ignoring the sleeping giant that is the old player base.
Right now the meta of player behavior is ridiculously fucked. The whole game is set up for "boost your way to the expansion entry point > level up in the expansion areas > run the loot treadmill". It wouldn't be that bad except they're going more than a year without content updates, so the life of a subscription is about 2-3 months until you've hit the expansion cap, filled out your LFR set, and fucked off because going any farther is a major time commitment that is difficult to break in to because guilds know you're either an addict who should have been playing for the last year, or you're a resubber who's going to dump the game in a few weeks anyway.
The thing is people want to come back, but they want to pick up where they left off and/or play in a progressive environment. Blizzard caters to neither.
It's not like they need to release a 1 for 1 implementation of Vanilla, but they really should get their game in order so the whole thing isn't an anachronistic mess. It was understandable that people wanted to level ASAP, because end game is where shit happens at the moment. But they sell level boosts for that now. You don't need heirlooms and lowered xp requirements at this point. What they need is a mechanic to progress through a decade's worth of expansions at a reasonable pace so that people can play at the expansion they liked or left at and work their way back up to live. Or chill at the expansion of their choosing with everyone else who want to do the same.
Right now the anachronistic mess that is leveling to 60 in a post-WorLK world feels fucking weird when you go to level 60-70 and then 70-80 in areas that have been referred to as the past for most of the quests up to that point. The fact they gutted a bunch of original dungeons doesn't help. Millions are waiting for WoW Classic.
>>337155209
retribution was op at one point, unlimited stacks mane
>>337154810
Wait, now I'm confused. Isn't outlands what Nargrad, Hellfire Peninsula, Netherstorm, etc are? Or is that just where they are located?
I know for fact they said WoD is an alternate universe of some sort.
Everyone seems to be at least mildly excited about Legion. Everyone except us brewmasters. what the fuck are you doing to my spec blizz?
>>337155356
Its a pocket universe where our world is not effected. If that were the case the our world would have changed due to time shenanigans as soon as Garrosh stopped the orcs from drinking blood
The draenor we visit in WoD is what Outland looked like before demonic influence tore the planet apart .
>>337155506
>outlaw rogues are literally shit
>LOL PIRATE LMAO
The spec is fucking shit right now without restless blade.
>>337155317
>reckoning stacks
Was never OP. That video of that guy 1 shotting Kazzak was done by having a level 1 constantly attacking the paladin for over an hour getting automatic crits on him because he was sitting down and it took like 10 broken grey daggers to do it.
Reckoning wasn't viable as dps spec in a raid because you were never being crit and in pvp you were dependent on someone critting you a lot to kill them and honestly if a rogue was critting you that much in fight you were already dead
>>337155506
Making it amazing, what the fuck is wrong with you? Brewmaster is literally the only redeeming thing about Legion so far.
They might as well just be called "Fire storm monks".
Dragon's fire brew gives you an AoE fire aura and Rushing jade wind gives you an AoE wind storm around you.
That on top of Keg smash is going to make monks AoE monsters.
>Holy paladins are now melee healers who's artifact is a 2 handed hammer with a libram
>paladin buffs are now unique buffs that don't just overlap with other class buffs
They're doing some things right. Legion just needs content patches
>>337156041
>Holy paladins are now melee healers
>dhs
>melee hunters
Just like we need more fucking people in melee range
>>337155198
Blame Chris M and his self insert Thrall. Also, the film seems to be running with the whole 'muh refugees' theme for progressive brownie points.
>>337156041
>They're doing some things right
The stylistic changes they're making are cool, but the pruning/simplification they're doing is really bad. It's going to be way less difficult to play a class to its utmost efficiency DPS/HPS-wise. Each class/spec is losing buttons to press, most of those buttons being situational/utility buttons. The game will lose a lot more of its depth and difficulty and won't hold peoples attention for as long as WoD did because of it. Legion is almost definitely going to flop hard as fuck.
>>337156136
Melee aren't the problem its the boss/raid design.
HFC was shit for melee because majority of the fights were designed where melee were a hindrance to healers and the whole group.
>>337155506
All I know is they're finally listening to DKs. Only thing I wish they'd either revamp or do away with is Sudden Doom.
RIP warriors tho
>>337155854
I wish I lived in your fantasy world too.
unfortunately in reality brewmasters in legion are dying while questing to rare mobs, which every other class and spec can easily solo. causing 5 man dungeons to rage quit because it's just a wipe fest due to how squishy monks are. failing to hold multi enemy threat because their aoe is non existent RJW and breath of fire do no damage. and enjoying one of the most hands off rotations since vanilla pallies.
the 50% purify is garbage too. every time a mob touches you while questing you have to stand there and wait for 10 seconds for the dot to clear before you can interact with any quest object or do anything since you now have no way to clear it.
>>337155209
>There were no shadow priests
>druids and paladins could only heal
The problem was there was no high level gear that fit the specs. In fact there was very little gear that could compete with the very rigid raid sets so Prot/ret tanks that were amazing in dungeons had no place in a raid. Shadow priests could do damage but they would always be behind warlocks and mages with the same skill and gear bracket. There were plenty of ferals to see a few in each guild but their long term damage was no good.
There were never melee hunters and no one ever said this. They only had mongoose bite and raptor strike for damage while having a host of abilities designed to keep an enemy at range. The problem with vanilla hunters and melee was stealing good melee weapons from classes that badly needed them.
If you think a prot paladin was a viable tank for MC or BWL you never played one
>add merchant in Dalaran that spawns in random places at random times
>sells expensive vanity items
>sells a unique spider mount for 2 million gold
>people on forums bitching they can't afford the radical spider mount
God forbid something in this game have some difficulty to acquire. God forbid they actually add something for people to spend their mountains of gold on.
Whiny entitled cunts
>>337157170
I'm going to sell so much gold during legion. I fucking love new expansions.
>>337155273
I agree, and honestly this is the one thing I don't understand why WoW doesn't follow FFXIV's example for.
That game can be played at your own pace, and character progression makes sense. There's a lot of content to get through, and there's always players to do it with because of the way level scaling works. If you don't have the latest expansion, that doesn't matter - you can just play the one you do have. The game doesn't even install the files for the latest expansion's areas if you don't own it. The game is more than its endgame.
WoW? Endgame is the entire game. You are told to ignore everything except the latest patch's content. It's a game with ten years of content, but none of it is incentivized except the very latest stuff, a tiny portion of a huge game.
>>337157149
>Shadow priests could do damage but they would always be behind warlocks and mages with the same skill and gear bracket
SP weren't brought to raids because of the debuff limit. Their entire spec was built around debuffs and dots. Their dots would knock off the sunder armors and warlock curses.
Once the TBC patch hit and the debuff limit was increased only then did they shine in raids from damage and utility.
Nothing better than being a holy paladin and having near infinite mana from your crits and a shadow priest mana buff
>>337156935
Pffft, what drugs are you on? Brew mastery are literally immortal tanks. Who's tell you they are bad?
Gift of the Oxen is the most broken shit ever. Your oxen bubbles spawn based on how much damage you take, and they heal for the same amount of damage it takes to spawn them. You literally can't die unless you're getting global'd.
RJW is 540% attack power damage. BoF is 320% of your attack power. Dragonfire brew is another 400% attack power. Then you have keg smash which is 900% attack power. Those coefficients are stupid high and over almost all other melee classes.
No idea who you're playing with or talking to, but I promise you, they are wrong.
>make LFR gear much worse than before and have its own shitty unique models
>add premade group finder
>add flex mode to raids
LFR should honestly be removed at this point. It serves absolutely no purpose now that flex exists. Flex is just as easy as LFR but just requires the slightest bit of effort to get into
If it wasn't for the legendary ring I wouldn't have used LFR at all during WoD
>>337157679
>SP weren't brought to raids because of the debuff limit. Their entire spec was built around debuffs and dots. Their dots would knock off the sunder armors and warlock curses.
This is the type of meme that retards like you saw once on the WoW forums or in jewtube comments and automatically took it as fact.
Spriests had a talent called Shadow Weaving which stacked a debuff on bosses that made them take more shadow damage. 1 Shadow Priest was standard in any raid to increase your Warlocks' damage.
>>337158273
1 shadow priest that got to do dick all during a raid except apply 1 debuff on top of having no gear for their spec
>>337159546
>no gear for their spec
How about you make an efford and at least pretend you played vanilla.
>banish gul'dan the fuck outa nowhere
>now he can cross timelines for some reason
>now he can summon entire legions and cities faster than the 2 factions can kill them
>easily kills tirion
>easily takes over illidans body
Who the fuck is even the main villain here? archimondo is banished and now this green nigger pops outa nowhere with his saiyan zenkai boost or whatever and takes over the world.
>>337159660
He's right though. Other than random assortments of epics the tier gear was made for healing priests
>>337159797
>Who the fuck is even the main villain here?
The Void Lords. They are the ones who control the Old Gods, and the Old Gods are the ones behind pretty much every major event of Azeroth.
>>337159806
Those other random assortments of epics were just as good as tier gear but without set bonuses. The 1 Spriest who gets to come to the raid is still more than the "literally no shadow priests" you retardedly implied earlier. And Spriests did way more that just apply the debuff, they did their full damage rotation and benefited from their own Shadow Weaving debuff because believe it or not Spriests did amazing DPS.
You're dead wrong on all counts, blindly flailing around trying to shit on Vanilla WoW in any way you can. It's time to give it up blizzcuck.
>>337156274
Yeah I heard about that.
Never thought I'd see the day when a movie for Angry Birds would look more appealing to watch than a Warcraft movie.
>>337141931
Stop talking about/buying Blizzard shit, please. They don't give a fuck about you and they make garbage.
>>337160150
so is this gonna be the final nail in the coffin? or are we gonna have another "fun" expansion like MoP since there's no one big enough to fight later.
>They're removing the Silver Proving Grounds requirement for Heroic dungeons
That alone is gonna set the tone for how the expansion is gonna play out.
Have you ever played with someone who couldn't beat Silver Proving Grounds?
Please let me get in the beta. PLEASE LET ME GET IN!
>>337141931
>Everyone gets a legendary
>more garrison faggotry
>new class that looks like it was removed from an anime for being "too gay"
>every single thing about the """"plot""" is 100% cringe
>still has dungeon/raid finder
>WoW community fell apart a long time ago
>Return to form for WoW
I am considering starting some casual wow again.
I stopped before pandas came out.
Since i am a huge quest autist could somebody tell me if i will be able to do all pandaria and draenor quests if i start now ?
Are there any limitations, i think they have changed the world quite a bit since i played.
>>337158273
And that one shadow priest spot was reserved for whoever sucked the GMs dick. And god help you if you tried pugging anything, because sitting there waiting on a healer meant the inevitable "just respec" or "just try healing and stay out of shadow form". The spec existed, and it was good for leveling and PvP, but it was a pain to do dungeons/raids due to the meta, especially leveling. Maybe you got lucky and earned the Shadow Priest spot in your guild, but most of them didn't.
>>337160412
I don't know. No one can really tell. But I can be almost sure there will be one more game after legion at the very least.
Sargeras was "corrupted" by the Old Gods which lead to him killing the other titans. By corrupted I mean the Old Gods showed Sargeras that the goal of the titans was untimely pointless. The titan's goal was to bring order to the universe, and while Sargeras was constantly out fighting demons he realized that the nature state of the universe was chaos. And that sort of drove him crazy, so now he wants to destroy the universe because he feels it's been too far corrupted as a whole.
Sargeras is basically the strongest fighter in the WoW universe, and he's one of the few people who could fight the Old God's and their bosses, the Void Lords. But he doesn't want that, as I was just say. So Sargeras has been going around destroying world and killing other titans to get rid of threats to the Old Gods/Void Lord. Now, supposedly the strongest Titan to have ever been born is sleeping in Azeroth, which is why Sargeras is coming here in Legion.
So, I guess there will have to be one expansion where we kill Sargeras, and then one more where we wake up Azeroth and go kill the Old Gods. We can't exactly kill the Void Lords because they are "darkness", and of course "darkness" and "Light" (The Naruu) must exists with in the universe.
>>337161323
>And that one shadow priest spot was reserved for whoever sucked the GMs dick
It was still one shadow priest. Thanks for conceding the argument.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ANjsSg8JXGo
Kind of a follow-up response to legacy servers from Ion for anyone who's interested.
>>337161323
*leveling in dungeons I mean. Lord knows the number of times I tried to run SM or WC and the priest says "I'm shadow" when we got there in a group consisting of a hunter, rogue, warrior, and warlock.
That's the one good thing about dungeon finder: finding a group at any level and everyone knows what their role is in the dungeon.
>Legion in combination with the movies might bring a lot of people back
the movies won't do shit unless you played already and they give you wod or a free month or something, but they will definitely bring back 2 mil or more
i just hope they don't fuck up again...they will
>>337161672
The reasoning was tweaked. Basically Sargeras found a titan world soul corrupted by Old Gods, realized it was a problem and killed it + the Old Gods.
He then realized that if it occured here, it'll occur elsewhere, and he built the Burning Legion to wipe the universe clean, reasoning that if life popped up once, it'll do so again.
Azeroth is of note because not only does it possess a Titan's World Soul, but it also has Old Gods on it, which means it has to die.
A bit of a TLDR for it, but there you go.
>>337161750
I'm not even the guy you were arguing with. Just saying it was more of a pain in the ass than it was generally worth.
On the other hand, half the fun of vanilla was running a dungeon while the hunter and lock pets tanked and some poor bastard ended up the default healer in ret/enhancement/shadow/feral spec.
>>337161956
>the movies won't do shit unless you played already and they give you wod or a free month or something
If you see the movie you get everything for free even wod.
>>337153428
>falling for jaylock bait
holy shit are you kidding? dudes a huge well known troll on MMO-C forums, and a prime example of why that forum is so shit. They wont ban him for some reason, but calling him on his bullshit is banable.
>>337161750
I like the idea of fixing fucking retail instead of going back to broken as fuck vanilla. And yes I played it, I miss the good times but don't want to try reliving them because I remember how much stupid shit vanilla had.
Fingers crossed for first wave beta invite.
>>337161750
>admits leveling is broken in modern wow
>this is somehow relevant to legacy servers and not the WoW team trying to find some shitty workaround nobody wants because they don't understand their market
they're gonna get so destroyed on the internet if they go through with this
>>337162084
>because I remember how much stupid shit vanilla had
Like what anon? Go ahead and name 1(ONE) thing that was stupid shit you little bitch.
>>337161971
Was that in the new book? I don't remember that.
From what I understand the world soul was corrupted, but they couldn't kill it because that would mean killing all of Azeroth.
>>337162332
>all of this aggression
why are nostfags such massive babies?
>>337148508
I would play again if they made a fucking final happen. Archimonde maybe.
For Legion to be good, there has to be max level content other than one raid and the new garrisons. The diablo styled mythics are a step in the right direction, but any respectable staircase has more than one step.
>>337162332
>broken specs
>meme grinding
>have to drink/eat after killing 1 mob
now you have 3 kiddo
>>337162564
most people ignore the whole 'you must be 18 to post on this website' part of the rules
>>337146495
I hope so, but only because I want them to work on old stuff and make 10 years of content relevant again.
>>337162652
>broken specs
>meme grinding
>have to drink/eat after killing 1 mob
Specs weren't broken, grinding is just gameplay you don't like, having to eat and drink after 1 mob is a result of questing being difficult and mana being a valuable and limited resource.
None of those were negatives or actually existed, try again.
>>337162664
like shitposters who prematurely call someone a little bitch when their wittle feewings get hut
>>337162795
>None of those were negatives or actually existed
they were negative and actually existed, try again retard
>>337162332
bosses having limited debuff slots at all was retarded
>>337162384
It was.
Basically, Sargeras was off slayin' demons when he came across another world soul, but instead of the kind or sweet dreams of a new world soul, they were fuckin' godawful nightmares of eldritch beings and shit. Insert some good ol' demon kidnapping and torturing, he figured out why the world soul was like this.
So he fucking cleaved the planet (and consequently the baby world soul) in fucking half and told the Pantheon who told him to get fucked for doing that.
The Pantheon later found Azeroth before the Old Gods could actually burrow deep into the baby titan's mind/soul so they were able to prevent it.
>>337162332
Every class only had one viable spec for raiding (minus mages which had 2 after MC)
Soul shards were retarded
Leveling was simply a chore. Yes it's way too fast now, but having to literally fucking grind on mobs to level in order to get the next quest hub is straight retarded.
Gameplay in raids was boring, having to simply wait for your threat because of your retard tank only spamming sunder was not fun.
Raids were literally designed around 20 people being good and the rest being retards.
>>337162880
>they were negative and actually existed
I told you why they weren't/didn't, formulate an actual argument next time
>>337162923
>bosses having limited debuff slots at all was retarded
Limiting debuffs on bosses made for an interesting dynamic. You had to pick and choose your raid composition carefully because of it, and every debuff that was applied had to be done strategically. I can see why people think it's outright negative, and even if it was negative it hardly damns all of Vanilla on its own.
>>337163289
>I told you why they weren't/didn't
You're wrong, formulate an actual argument the next time.
>>337162950
So they're retconning a lot of the old story? Because I was more than sure Azeroth's world soul was corrupted by an Old God. That's what lead to things like the Curse of flesh and such.
I'll have to read the new book.
>>337162158
The beta has been going on for half a year now. How are you not in? Rofl.
>>337152197
Blizzard should never listen to fans or the internet.
Eat shit you fucking shill.
BLIZZARD ISN'T GETTING A CENT OF MY MONEY
Unless they release Legacy servers, that is.
>>337141931
just because the box is green doesn't mean it will be anything like burning crusade
>>337163289
>specs weren't broken
That's all you said and didn't back up your argument at all.
If you honestly believe specs like arcane or ret weren't absolute dogshit and were usable then you simply didn't play vanilla.
>>337163374
>parroting
Spot the loser in the argument
>prove him wrong then you blizzcuck
>>337163391
Not necessarily retconning, but expanding upon or shifting events slightly. Sargeras still goes insane, but instead of him going full edgelord, he goes Hitler.
Curse of Flesh was and always has been purely an Old God deal.
>>337163615
Spot the mad kid who is wrong.
no it won't, it will actually be a terrible experience outside leveling just like cata, mop and wod were
>>337163721
>still parroting
:::^^^))))
>>337163464
WoD was a game in which the director absolutely refused to listen to any feedback and believed he was incapable of being wrong.
Alpha and beta testers, the ones that were there to actually test and provide feedback, were completely ignored and questioned why there was even a test if no feedback would be listened to.
>>337156543
Is it even possible to make melee not a hindrance to healers?
>>337163806
>still memeing
;D
So, cucks that played the beta or what the fuck ever:
Who's died so far?
>>337162969
>Every class only had one viable spec for raiding (minus mages which had 2 after MC)
This is a meme. The only inviable raiding spec was Protection Paladin.
>Soul shards were retarded
I disagree.
>>337162969
>Leveling was simply a chore. Yes it's way too fast now, but having to literally fucking grind on mobs to level in order to get the next quest hub is straight retarded.
Leveling was simply a chore for you. You just personally didn't enjoy the gameplay and that's okay. Plenty of people did. I don't go around saying that rolling around and spamming R1 in Dark Souls is a chore if I don't enjoy the gameplay, I just acknowledge that it's not my cup of tea and move on.
As for the grinding mobs to level thing, that's not an outright negative. Plenty of highly-praised MMORPGs have had mob grinding as the primary way to acquire levels. Having to grind 1-2 levels on mobs to unlock a quest hub isn't a bad thing.
>Gameplay in raids was boring, having to simply wait for your threat because of your retard tank only spamming sunder was not fun.
Purely subjective. I personally think classes like Mages and Hunters were boring as fuck on bosses, but classes like Rogues/Warriors/Ferals were fairly deep and complicated.
Having to wait for threat on bosses is the result of threat being an actual mechanic that you need to think about and can fuck up with. The alternative is what we have now with tanks generating 99999x more threat by default with their abilities and nobody ever worrying about threat being mismanaged. Not a negative.
>Raids were literally designed around 20 people being good and the rest being retards
This isn't true.
>>337163916
Varian and Vol'Jin
>>337141931
>Cataclysm will bring back old Wow
>Mists of Panderia will bring back old Wow
>Warlords of Dreanor will bring back old Wow
>Legion will bring back old Wow
Just give up and let go
>>337163919
Do you nost cucks ever get tired of outright lying and defending poor game design?
>>337163892
>if I copy his discussion style, that will guarantee me a victory in the internet argument!
meme this fgt
>>337163590
>If you honestly believe specs like arcane or ret weren't absolute dogshit and were usable then you simply didn't play vanilla
Ret Paladins were top tier DPS with gear when fighting undead/demon targets. When not fighting undead/demon targets, they were mediocre so long as they had gear. In PvP they were borderline immortal due to self-healing and cooldowns. This whole "le ret pallies are bad" maymay needs to die.
Arcane Mage was a PvP spec, it was viable in raids when Mages needed to be tanky and absorb raid damage.
>>337164219
>I can't stop shitposting because I'm a retard
You're a mad memer.
>>337163812
sounds like Legion
>>337164157
great arguments. thanks for conceding bud.
>>337164302
says u
>>337164307
Same director.
>>337164395
says ur mom
>all of these wrathbabbies and blizzcucks getting utterly BTFO
feels good lads
>>337164479
ur12
>>337164636
for u
>>337147904
It's literally more Trump than bernie on. Reddit
>B-BUT MUH NON-VIABLE SPECS!!!!
In vanilla you had 3 talent trees. What the fuck makes you think that each one should provide you with a "working spec"? To begin with, no spec was about allocating all points into a single tree. For example, if we talk about "muh arcane!", Most PvE mages pre-AQ rolled with 31 points in Arcane and rest into Frost, so they used frostbolts with arcane power and pom and all the arcane tree +mana etc talents. That spec was referred to as "arcane frost" and everyone was content with it. What the fuck are you faggots whining about?
>b-but there was no arcane-themed attack that i could for the entire fight!
If you popped clearcast and wanted to conserver mana you used Arcane Missiles. That's enough for you entitled faggots.
>b-but i deserve more!
Shit like this got us into WoD.
>>337164423
Chilton and Afrasiabi are the CDs for Legion, they've been involved since vanilla and chilton has been a lead designer since BC
>>337142391
>It's gonna be good, have you seen beta?
every expansion with this shit
>>337164335
>saying things like this is a meme and i disagree and considering them real arguments
>actually saying leveling wasn't a chore because you didn't like even though grinding mobs all day is objectively uninteresting and repetitive
>actually arguing raids couldn't just be completed by around 15-20 people when this wasn't uncommon and still happened on nost constantly
Considering you didn't even give any real arguments, I guess I really did win this little internet fight. Man you guys really suck at debating. Just goes to show how shit vanilla really was i guess.
>>337164859
>regurgitating refuted points
>and then declaring yourself the winner
desperate as fuck dude
>>337164703
You think I'd have forgotten about you being unable to prove the other guy wrong by now but I didn't
you gonna carry that weight
>>337165042
You didn't even argue anything, all you said was "you just didn't like it :^)" and pretended that it was a legit argument.
>>337164747
>What the fuck makes you think that each one should provide you with a "working spec"?
Please be b8.
