"Step by step TF2 will start looking more like the modern competitive title we all know it deserves to be"
"Can't share everything, but expect tons of rebalances and an update that is much bigger than just the competitive mode release."
"Had a great Valve visit. TF team is awesome and the things they are working on are awesome."
-b4nny
where were you when valve started saving tf2?
Honestly glad Blizzard released Overwatch.
Finally after years of being on the backburner, TF2 will stop getting shafted over CS:GO/dota2 as the go-to supported competitive title from valve.
Final issues when?
>>337133182
>class based FPS
>competitive
>>337133182
Valve should just release TF3 desu, it would be hard to convince people to come back to TF2.
>Start up TF2 for nostalgia stake
>Everytime, every fucking time I get the message ">tf2" from somebody
>Different people
>Not all from 4chan
>Every time
>>337133275
there's stuff for everyone to enjoy
>>337133397
>Animeposter can't take the bantz
It's like pottery
>>337133182
>It takes a rival game to come out to get a developer to actually do work
>All those games that will never get work because this is pure chance developers even think about making non-sequels, let alone games that are so similar they rival one another
Fuck it, maybe Midair will do good.
>>337133275
>Roles
>Competitive
Is basically what you said.
This is why CS:GO is dead while Dota has lots of attention. Hacking aside.
>>337133569
It's not that I can't handle the bantz, I just think it's funny that for whatever reason TF2 has this stank surrounding it.
>>337133397
sleep snug, smug
>>337133397
I have a bud i can alway play with idk
And noone has shit on my for playing tf2 except when i try to post a thread on /v/
>>337133752
In that case it's the lack of actual substantial updates (rip Soldier Vs. Demo etc. themes), merely stealing community items to SELL so on sv_pure you can't avoid seeing it, and most importantly the lack of players doing it in.
People can come back, if the population comes back, because they do something likeupdate tc_hydro to not suck and release about 20 other maps in the same modealong with 3-4 team (+ VIP) modes
>>337133182
>Valve
>competitive title
Valve is anti-competitive, pro-casual company so I do not believe a single word. They have never made a competitive game and have never made a game more competitive.
>>337134283
CS:GO
Dota
TFuckingF 2
C'mon son, you can try harder that Valve.
They're not scared of Riot but Blizzard steps up to one of their flagships and now they feel the need to update. Valve...
>>337133182
You're confusing a lucky acquisition of the LMAOBOX source code and the desperate attempt to monetize the competition scene with competence.
If you look at recent events, then you'll see that they're incompetent as ever. The reason they're still here is because the competition is non-existent.
>>337134434
>Riot
wat
They make Dota 2 and Riot stepped up, while Valve can make money in a coma.
Blizzard tried but are helpless to a significant update to TF2, they pretty much only have relevance to today to survive.
>>337134434
with respect to dota 2 and league, the product speaks for itself, valve isnt threatened by league at all
but as for tf2, there are some glaring issues, and it just needs some love. TF2 is a diamond in the rough right now that just needs a little more polish to be relevant again
I'm just waiting for a Cheater's Lament 2.0.
>>337133182
>backburner
heh
fuck that shit
>>337134406
csgo is less competitive than 1.6 and far more casual. Not going to write all the issues cause I'm on my phone.
Dota 2 is icefrog. You can be sure if it was valve the game would be much, much worse.
TF2 was never competitive hence the massive changes they are apparently doing. But valve has never in their entire history made a game more competitive, only more casual so I have little hope.
You're a casual who has clearly never even tried to play any game at a high level.
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>>337134614
>They make Dota 2 and Riot stepped up
I know, Riot actually did things while Valve just fucked around for ages. DOTA 2 was a success in spite of Valve not because of them.
>Blizzard tried but are helpless to a significant update to TF2
That's absurd, Valve doesn't even believe that.
>>337134891
>He still thinks Icefrog is alive/working for Valve
qeq, the patch notes are practically ripped out of Reddit posts nowadays.
>>337135308
Exactly, icefrog seems like he has less influence and the game gets worse. Valve is your enemy if you like competitive games.
I wonder how much b4nny knows.
TF2 needs a lot of work on the inside. It's a broken mess of entities reused in a strange way.
>>337135638
>blizzard buys TF2 celebrities to play and shill Overwatch
>valve buys the remaining celebrities
He knows jack shit.
>>337135638
The biggest problems keeping tf2 relevant is support for newer graphics cards. I hear complaints from people with 980s getting sub 60 fps. They need spend time refactoring all of their spaghetti code
>b4nny goes to valve to discuss balance
inb4 pyro nerfs
>>337133182
My only complaint about TF2 being played competitively was the maps.
All maps were designed with 12v12 in mind so in 6v6 it took too much time to get to the point sometimes. If they re-design them a little bit by shrinking some areas in the competitive mode only it could be better than Overwatch
>>337135840
>buzz words: the post
>>337136296
those are legitimate criticisms though. And the code is the main difficulty in porting to source 2
Holy shit I envisioned this.
>TF2 comics ended when the TFC team was revealed
>Next update adds 9 new classes
>>337133182
>Benny in charge of balance
Expect Soldieror whatever class he's maining nowto go through the roof in terms of OP and Pyro literally deleted from the game for being 'Overpowered' from a man that can't even reflect a rocket.
>>337136408
>Next update adds 9 new classes
Valve isn't retarded enough to do something like that, thankfully
>>337135857
>nerfing a class that isn't even used in 6v6 competitive.
Why?
>>337133182
How are they gonna fix the problem of 99% of the maps are designed for at least 9 v 9 and optimally 12 v 12, and putting 6 v 6 on them.
>>337136498
because b4nny hates pyro.
god forbid something thats a slight annoyance for explosive masterrace exists
>>337136693
New maps designed for competitive 6v6 play.
Competitive 6v6 versions of old maps.
>>337135857
>>337136438
>>337136797
>That time he streamed himself playing Pyro and fucked up gloriously on every reflect while attempting to say Pyro is OP.
I laughed for years.
>modern competitive title
Like what?
>>337133182
>Finally after years of being on the backburner
Pun intended?
are they ever going to just make a fucking TF3?
>>337135840
They should stop using Celerons.
>They need spend time refactoring all of their spaghetti code
Yeah that will improve the framerate.
>>337137160
Not until 2022
>>337137160
no the tf2 economy has more wealth invested in it than several nations
>>337134406
Valve cant balance jack shit all of those games have huge problems plus they are pants on head retarded when it comes to esport events.
Thats nice, i look forward to it. But TF2's balanced is fucked at its core, for instance engi will never be comp viable, will have to wait for TF3 where they can do drastic changes to classes
>>337133397
>people not from 4chan greentexting OUTSIDE of 4chan
how fucking autistic do you have to be to add these people to your friends list
>>337136408
>TF2 comics ended when the TFC team was revealed
The fuck are you saying?
>>337137365
>TF2 day 1
Fucking near perfect, from just listening to the dev commentary on their decisions to greats like Gravelpit and Well, RIP
>Dota 2
It's fucking Dota, they didn't even have to try, at least they left it as is
>CS:GO
>Waaah muh 1.6
u wot m8
>>337136408
Anon there's already like 3 classic mercs dead.
The latest issue came out months ago.
I don't care about Match Making since it's going to be TF2 Lobby 3.0, but I hope there are class rebalances that aren't fucking retarded. Pyro is a mess right now and Heavy has too many unlocks that allow him to tank too much (even though said unlocks require him using weapons that are worse for damage).
>>337138051
>TFC Pyro
>TFC Spy
Who else?
>>337133182
and why have they waited until 2016 to do this.
i repeat 2016
2 0 1 6
all of a sudden begin developing the game again
2016
this gives me hope for HL3
Get your head out the clouds
It's been nearly 9 years and pic related remains just as true
>>337138272
Only a retard would walk on the point covered in stickies without an uber
>>337138097
>tfw i used to play with stabby on occasions in lobby
I miss 2011
>>337136693
Probably going to add some competitive maps (metalworks, replace sinshine with sunshine, GIVE US FUCKING VIADUCT PRO ALREADY YOU ASSHOLES).
>>337138190
Because Overwatch is getting popular so the retards at Valve are getting their shit together to get back everyone's attention
It's called competition.
>>337138190
>this gives me hope for HL3
t. a retard
>>337138190
The writer for HL2 left valve less than a year ago.
It's dead.
>be Valve
>make amazing game
>ruin it over years with terrible updates because there's no competitor
>shit all over the community and drive them away
>attract tons of 12 year olds, furies, bronys
>community is now awful
>a competitor comes along
>finally start fixing things
>"we had your back all along guys ;^)"
valvedrones will defend this. Valve repeatedly and consistantly shat on their playerbase and used it as a testing ground for all sorts of economy and f2p shit. I had 1.5k hours in tf2 in 2011 and used to defend Valve to this hills, but they can fuck right off if they think i'm coming back. The only reason they give a shit is because there's now a competitor.
>>337138571
It's a good thing.Miss Pauling VIP defense moode WHEN
>>337133182
honestly I'm fine with this
I'm pretty good at the game and I'm sick of just pubstomping
also, CTF better get competitive support. fuck attack/defense and zone control
>>337138625
The sentiment is shared with a lot of top players mate. We overwatch now. Fuck gaben and his hats.
>>337138625
I quite like valve and honestly I agree with what you're saying, I'm glad they're fixing it whatever the reason and don't really give a fuck about the agenda or reason, as long as I'll have to great game it could have always been.
>>337138873
Playing overwatch felt like playing vanilla tf2 with a modern coat of paint. Feels really good.
>>337138873
amen fellow blizzbro, hats are cancer! *goes buy tracers newest skin*
>>337138873
+$0.05
>>337138873
The only people i hear about "switching" to overwatch are clockwork, STAR_, jerma, and clockwork isnt even placing well.
I think the emphasis on team composition and ult timings as opposed to raw skill is offputting
>>337139124
>Worse netcode with every "class" literally only having one weapon and a pocket uber/kritz
Nah mate. Not with those shit game modes.
>>337138625
The only thing that fucked TF2 WAS the community dipshit
>24/7 any map
>32 players with zero requirements on anyone to participate, resulting in about 5 players actually trying to play and they're a stack to boot
>Payload stomped out A/D or CP for maps played
>Retarded comp rulesets even before weapon updates.
I'm pissed that F2P killed community servers except for those shitty skial ones where you can pay to win.
>muh overwatch
Can all shills please leave already?
This is a TF2 thread and Overwatch has nothing to do with TF2.
>>337139045
Yeah i'll still probably check it out. I'll admit I used to be a valvedrone but ever since the mannconomy update I grew less and less trusting of them and now barely trust them at all.
I loved TF2, I booted it up last year some time and the only servers that were populated were fucking Valve servers and skial, which aren't much better. All those great servers and great communities either empty or just gone.
This game honestly run it's course. Valve killed it with the f2p cancer and the mannconomy tumor. It was screwed from start because I bet if mannconomy was not successful, they would have shelved TF2 years ago. I had so much fun with this game during the first few rears but the breaking point was when all the loyal fans got was a shitty hat and it opened the floodgates to f2p. Even if you played since the beta; here is your shitty hat. Was heart breaking.
>>337139934
>Hats ruined the game
>I'm so mad about not getting a decent hat for being loyal
You are the cancer, the blind unthinking retard that just hates and spites about petty things that affect nothing you would actually care about.
>>337140047
Say what you want but I haven't touched the game in years due to those things. This might be news to you but most people don't like getting kicked in the dick or take it up the ass by gaben
>>337140047
Yeah, most TF2 haters are like that.
>>337140195
What should've Gabe given you, when he made it F2P?
>>337140195
The game wasn't exactly full price to begin with, it was the HLDM addition to a long since retired HL2 and Portal 1
Grow the fuck up.
>>337139263
Team composition isn't a real gripe from TF2 players switching to OW or playing it on the side since most, if not all, of Invite-level players can play at least low-mid IM even with their worst 6s class. Ults. controlling the pace of the game is the real problem, and characters with really good Ults have their place as being top-tier set in stone and character that are great on paper with shitty/easily counterable Ults. (ie. Junkrat) will be doomed into the mid-tier limbo.
>>337139365
>Retarded comp rulesets even before weapon updates.
I don't have much of a problem with any of the banlists in comp TF2. HL blacklists are based around how much they fuck up the pace of the game or being disgustingly overpowered (crit a cola, Pomson Darwin's), along with action items that can freeze character models or have sound cues which would actually be disadvantageous to use. 6s bans are determined by how much they slow down the pacing of the game, unless you want a full time Engie throwing down minis in a 6v6 and making the lives of roamers even more of a living hell or running Machina Sniper and GRU Heavy to mid while being boosted by Disciplinary Action on Process.
>>337139934
Your a fucking moron. The first wave of hats didn't break anything about the game. Over time they didn't care about the artstyle no more but the first few waves of hats we're nice cosmetics. The first wave of new weapons offered a different playstyle for the class you were playing as.
>>337140580
The scout update was trash.
>>337135857
>>337137050
god I hate soldier players
they're all such colossal faggots about their fucking class
>dude shoot at my feet for kills lmao
>muh rollouts
>>337140962
>t. airshot medic (who's never played quake 3)
>>337140415
My money back
>>337140859
Scout update was the beginning of the end. It wasn't that shit itself but it set a precedent for gimmicky weapons instead of sidegrades. Although the sandman was complete bullshit, but it got nerfed immediately iirc.
>>337140962
Everyone's a faggot about their class desu. I was a scout and solly player in 6s and other sollys were generally less faggy than other scouts though. Pyros are the worst though, they have one skill based thing about the class and act like it's the hardest to execute, most indepth mechanic ever invented.
>>337140859
Not all the class updates were absolute trash. Although when the Backburner gave you +50 health and was powerful minus the airblast that promoted not learning airblast but W+M1, that was a shit week.
Or when Natasha brought your ass down to a snails crawl from halfway across Granery and if the Team was communicating and competent, you were just dead. That weapon was absolute no fun to Scouts and anyone. Krits Natasha was even worse because you couldn't even escape the ass beating.
Or how about when the Ambassador was a literal aimbot for the first few days? Or when the Dead Ringer in the hands of a competent Spy made him damn near unstoppable and you had to go to great lengths to rid yourself of that annoyance?
But as for the Scout... Yah. FaN helped you get to other places and blast people back, Bonk helped you get through defenses but I hates seeing 5+ of that class on every server
>>337133653
>CS:GO is dead
CS:GO and CS as a whole is bigger than ever and continues to grow.
>>337141490
CS:GO is fueled by miniature jews fishing for skins and gambling. It's a casino.
Dota 2 has a fucked economy from the start so it's fueled purely by russians playing a free game and The Invitational highlighting you too, can suddenly become a rich slav!
Keep in mind yeah, Dota is also free.
I never really understood why Valve was so slow on supporting competitive TF2.
It probably has to do with what they said before, which is that they want to try "different approaches for different games so that that if one fails, the others don't fail too."
But that seems stupid to me. What component of TF2 would be damaged or jeopardized by the presence of a competitive mode and support? That's probably not the reason then, but I don't know what would be.
>>337141353
Pyro has a lot of items that just made/make no sense
>This is a weapon that is advantageous if you aggressively flank your enemies!
>Give it 50 health because ???
>Let's give pyro a melee weapon that's good for destroying sentries since the flamethrower is slow about it
>Nevermind it's bad at that. Let's just have it knock off sappers to further pigeon-hole pyro into a supporting role, because fuck spies who manage to get past a dedicated defense pyro and actually stab an engineer and sap his shit
>>337133182
>"Step by step TF2 will start looking more like the modern competitive title we all know it deserves to be"
Oh, so they're finally nerfing Soldier and Demo and letting everyone grenade jump? Took these hacks long enough.
>>337133653
It seems like they're releasing new cases every other week now a days. Wouldn't really agree with you on that CS:GO part
>>337142276
>being this new
It gave 50 health because it had no airblast.
Also fuck you. The game is called TEAM Fortress 2, don't get mad if the enemy team uses their strengths together to wreck your shit.
>>337133182
>mfw TF2 console release
Just kidding. But it'll have to happen once they send out their biggest update, right? Then Valve can just rebalance pre-existing items and add shit to the Mann Co. store via small patches and updates.
>>337137050
What a mouthbreather, reflecting is piss easy. Then again, what to expect from someone who still plays TF2, mains Soldier and believes in competitive TF2 without a massive rework to make it more like TFC.
>>337142039
Valve loves inclusion and hates exclusion. By nature, competition is exclusionary. Valve has always hated competitive modes and are trying to get closer to blizzards level of casualization
>>337142792
Until Robin took over and they stopped caring for anything, they cared a lot about roles and things having purpose too, to the point Demoman no longer has a stack of dynamite and classes don't have grenades.
If they were competitive oriented however, spy wouldn't be useless and neither would pyro.
>Spy actually y'know spies
>Motion sensor alt to sapper in addition to surprise buttstabbing
>Can mark enemies so they're visible through walls, but they speak out loud so pyros can find them.
>Pyros get a much wider and longer cone of fire that lets them jet corners, at the expense of ammo consumption being a problem so once they've sanitised an area if there's no ammo around they gotta leave, giving spies opportunity, unless they sit on a dispenser all day.
>To which spies can counter by going into wallhack mode
>>337142587
There was a console release on the Xbox 360. But it died like 2 weeks later and now 10 year old British Kids Roam around the dustbowls screaming "CUNTWANKER"
>>337142587
>they never patched the 360 versions despite years of promises that they would after the Engineer update
>>337143123
>Spy marks enemies with an audio cue with the power of ventriloquism
Perfect, that would fit the cartoony yet believable style of the world.
>>337133182
Better not fuck with my vaccinator anymore
>>337143234
Atleast it got some updates, the PS3 version still has Demomen with 6 pipes.
>>337143234
They did like a year-ish ago and finally added voice commands
>j-just you wait g-guys TF2 is saved! the dev team h-have some amazing comp ch-changes coming soon
- "comp" tf2 losers desperate for TF2 to not die spinning the same bullshit lies, 2014-2016+
keep on dreaming losers. they've been saying the same dumb shit for years now and the most Valve has done is add a matchmaking system in closed beta that requires you to link your phone number. that ain't gonna do SHIT to save TF2
>>337137160
probably not
but it could be so great if they ever do
all the stupid fucking hats wiped away
the weapon loadout system integrated into the game from the start so instead of having a couple of viable sidegrades that change the playstyle of a class slightly and the rest is useless or gimmicky garbage that makes no fucking difference and all due to the reason that all the class interactions were designed and almost fully fleshed out before the new weapons, you could at the design stage of development stake out different sub-roles for each class and design alternate weapons to fill those roles (e.g demoman built around area denial vs demoman built around breaking fortifications vs a focus on something else) and have them be actual weapons that aren't just mediocre reskins of the originals with a twist
potential new mechanics like destructible terrain or 3+ teams
new spiffy graphics
less focus around explosives spam
better class balance and with better skill ceilings for them all
no free to play russians
moon maps
>>337143234
They did a couple patches. PS3 had zero support and is still on the first build. PS3 has the true vanilla experience
I wish Blizzard would just copy paste the scout into Overwatch. Tracer isn't as fun to play as I thought she would be.
>>337142567
Well golly that must be why the +50 health was still in the game
Having no airblast didn't fucking matter at the time because an overhealed pyro had over three hundred fucking health and the flamethrower did way more damage at the time and there weren't seven thousand fucking ways to extinguish fire at the time
A weapon that was made for getting behind enemies did not need HEALTH put onto it because all it did was just motivate people to retard-rush enemies with it. And it worked. Which is why it got removed.
Also, there's almost absolutely fucking nothing Spy can do if there's an even remotely competent pyro on the enemy team. He should be rewarded if he manages to outplay him and actually kill the engineer he's babysitting
If the only counter to it is 'suicide stab and get your team to clean it up while the engineers dead' then why even bother sapping in the first place
>>337143339
>last actual patch was 2009
Unless you got a source
>>337137976
>TF2 day 1
You mean when Demoman had six fucking pipes instead of 4? Get real dude.
I don't care if a game is balanced as long as it's fun, but holy shit if you think that The Equalizer was anything other than a straight buff for the Soldier you're crazy.
i could only see tf2 ever being a competitive game if were played vanilla
>>337143891
>Day 1
>Equalizer
wat
>>337143731
don't forget that the damage falloff was basically nonexistent
>>337137160
Valve stops at 2 anon, so no
>>337143731
>Well golly that must be why the +50 health was still in the game
The fuck are you talking about? The health thing was gone in less than a month after airblast was introduced.
>A weapon that was made for getting behind enemies did not need HEALTH put onto it because all it did was just motivate people to retard-rush enemies with it.
Right, but that's another topic entirely.
>Also, there's almost absolutely fucking nothing Spy can do if there's an even remotely competent pyro on the enemy team.
Maybe stop playing Spy, then. It's the worst class in the game for a reason.
>He should be rewarded if he manages to outplay him and actually kill the engineer he's babysitting
But you do get a reward, you chucklefuck. You killed two enemies and optionally sapped a nest. What more do you want, a hat?
>'suicide stab and get your team to clean it up while the engineers dead'
Sounds like teamwork to me. Why is this a bad thing, again?
>>337143725
Genji is really fun.
>>337136438
He said Pyro was garbage. It's a class full of gimmicks that ends up filling a support role best because of how outclassed it is by demo soldier and scout in terms of offense.
The airblast mechanic is very poorly implemented since reflects can happen from just spamming it. Very little aim necessary.
>>337144157
They did that because of all the rocket launchers they added and didn't want to balance them
>>337143610
>all the stupid fucking hats wiped away
Laughing my ass off at all the fags who were asshurt because "Hats ruin the theme, I can't play tf2 anymore!" now playing overwatch, which does the same thing but ten times worse
>>337144330
Airblast was fine until they buffed it's fire rate. Before you had to time your airblasts against a soldier or demo or you were just dead. Now you can get away with being shit.
>>337133182
>something comes up to "rival" TF2
>scramble to do something with the game
Will literally never fucking play TF2 again, fuck off.
>>337138272
Nerfed stickies years ago. The only people who die to sticky spam are baddies out of position.
>>337142587
TF2 already had a console release
>>337144240
Okay wait
I think there was a misunderstanding here. I didn't say "+50 health because ???" in that I didn't know what disadvantages it had at the time. I just thought it was a pointless advantage which went against the purpose of the weapon. It was actually the topic I was on in the first place.
Hell, couldn't it also random crit back in the day too?
>>337143725
Learn to use her time travel thing properly. It resets her health.
>>337143731
>clearly doesn't like playing Spy
>whines about it instead of playing something else
/v/ in a nutshell, you fit right in
>>337144706
>I didn't say "+50 health because ???" in that I didn't know what disadvantages it had at the time. I just thought it was a pointless advantage which went against the purpose of the weapon.
Oh. Sorry.
>Hell, couldn't it also random crit back in the day too?
I think it could, yes.
>>337144481
By playing Pyro you are inherently shit though. You cannot do as much dmg, hold as much space, move around the map as much and as quickly as demo scout and soldier.
Airbase fire rates affect literally nothing. It's a bad class for new people to get a single kill with per life or for a brony to main.
>>337145049
They buffed the airblast firerate so that it was faster than the rocket launcher, which completley changed the pyro vs soldier dynamic, it also made it much more affective at juggling ubers in the air.
I do agree that pyro is just a shit class though and you shouldn't play it.
>>337144417
No, they fixed the absolutely abominable hit detection and damage falloff that the flamethrower originally had in the pyro update, before which the flamethrower basically shot orange clouds, but they overdid it so a single pixel of the fire could lick you and it basically did 80% of the damage of point blank
>>337144469
Overwatch looks nowhere near as bad as TF2. There are a couple of joke skins and similar, but they barely mess up the aesthetic, and generally look more coherent and well-made than anything in TF2. Some of the TF2 items are just fucking god awful looking, fucking bright pink mac earbuds with alien parasites and a an orgy of flying particle effects with the obnoxious "Fashion criminal is wearing the subhumans assblaster of retard quality" popup zooming onto your screen as soon as you die to someone are much, much worse than egyptian samus merely dressing like a feather indian. Overwatch items at least look like they were created by someone, TF2's shit only came about due to gross negligence and accumulation of stupid decisions.
>>337144845
Don't get me wrong
I love playing Spy. It's a hell of a lot of fun.
But it's also not really worth playing him in almost every circumstance. The closest thing you can get to viable Spy is playing the dumb fucking DR/Amby loadout which is like playing half of a sniper with a tenth of the risk
Hell, I main pyro, honestly. And I just don't think sapper removal is a very good game mechanic because that's something that should be exclusive to engineer, like how lighting people on fire should be exclusive to pyroBut they gave that to fucking soldier, albeit it's pretty shit but you get what I meant
>>337145049
So... Pyro needs a buff?
I suggest:
- Flamethrowers all get a 50% range increase
- Pyro speed increase 10%
- Pyro health decrease to 150
- Flare gun damage increase 50%
- Flare gun firerate decrease 25%
- Flamethrowers can start ground fires which set you on fire and last 5 seconds, like the CS:GO molotov
Thoughts? I think it's a bit OP. How would (You) do it?
>>337145870
Fuck you
>air blasts knock the user back, enabling sweet jumps
That's what he needs, to raise his skill cap.
>>337145870
>decrease hp to 150
great, another class sniper can quickscope
>>337145049
But Pyro isfun, even if it's shit. There's something that's just blazing a circle of fire and hearing all those sweet panicked dings.
>>337145870
I have no fucking idea about TF2 balance but personally I always wanted to see a liquid napalm thrower or a smoke grenade, which would look transparent to your team but block vision for the enemy
![Tracer-Punk[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/CJN5Yaw.jpg "Tracer-Punk[1].jpg")
>>337145623
>fucking bright pink mac earbuds with alien parasites and a an orgy of flying particle effects
You're describing approx $50 of items on one character, which, while possible, isn't representative at all of the vast majority of players. Plus the combination would be made by someone with bad taste (or who did it to succesfully piss you off), which is something that the tf2 devs have 0% to do with
I guess you find this particulary ugly Tracer skin vastly superior because it's "like it was made by someone" (ie made by devs other than Valve)
>competitive tf2
When will this meme stop? TF2 is a fun casual pub shooter and it should stay that way.just remove children and furfags
>>337146394
never
>easy to get into
>high skill ceiling;10000 hours to master a class
>balanced via symmetry
>fun asymmetrical gameplay
>>337146343
I have no idea about the rarities of different items but all I know is that whenever I start playing again I get instantly turned off by all the accumulated garbage
>I guess you find this particulary ugly Tracer skin vastly superior because it's "like it was made by someone" (ie made by devs other than Valve)
it's just a punk outfit
it doesn't look that bad
>>337145870
Increasing the speed and range would just make pyro very obnoxious, and it also starts encroaching on the scout's niche. Pyro's thing is to be devasating up close but with no real way to get there. Which just makes it shit against good players. Something llike >>337146137 would help while keeping it's role intact.
>>337146394
Competitive tf2 is some of the most fun i've had while gaming. The beauty of tf2 is that it's both an excellent casual and competitive game.
Valve needs to remove all the RNG in TF2.
>pistol
>shotgun
>minigun
And
>Give longer range to the demo, heavy and shotguns.
Also rework Engi since he's shit.
>>337146924
Rework the spy too.
Post yfw TF2 is ported to Source 2.
>>337146924
nah, in competitive, the shotguns don't have rng.
The pistols all have RNG after the first shot for around 1 second. This is so classes besides sniper cant snipe sentries.
You still can snipe sentries as scout, it's just you have to wait the reloading time between each shot.
>>337146924
There is a server setting which causes shotguns to shoot in a 3x3 grid, removing all the rng.
>give longer range to demo
no, demo is fine
>heavy
maybe, heavy needs something to make it better, but any buffs to heavy have to be done carefully.
>shotguns
no, they're fine.
>>337134026
>Soldier vs. demo etc. themes
Man, the spy vs engie rumors that were floating around a while back made me really hyped again
and then it was nothing
Fuck
>>337147023
spy is used occassionally in competitive formats. A great play is:
>6v6
>disguise as friendly pyro/sniper
>show enemy team so they get scared
>back off and sneak, try to get medic.
spy is great for mindgames
So they needed competition to make the game not terrible? I hate Valve so much
>>337145870
I hate them all. My suggestions
-Reflect damage doesn't almost kill you instantly anymore. I don't even know why they thought this was a good idea.
-Revert the Axting nerfs. Powerjack was already the best choice since it got 10% movement while deployed, but the Axting nerfs only solidified PJ's dominance.
-Det jump self damage is lowered and a tad bit more height and distance on jumps and have the base damage be the same as the Flare Gun.
>Reserve Shooter should be allowed to minicrit on jumping targets again.
-Degreaser weapon switching attributes should be reversed (60% faster going off, 30% faster going back to)
>>337146924
If they remove RNG on pistol and minigun people would just snipe across the map with them
>>337139153
cosmetics are free in Overwatch lol
>>337148187
>Kek he actually thinks this
expect something like an ip boost in league or the actual ability to buy skins with real money
>>337133275
>18+
>doesn't know what competitive means
/v/tards should be required to pass a test
>>337133397
sleep snug, smug.
>>337146892
>encroaching on the scout's niche
The real problem here is that they have the same damn niche. Scout is just better at it. Getting ambushed by any Pyro but the luckiest and most precise backburner is your cue to turn around and fuck them up. Getting hit by a full FaN is enough to ragdoll Soldiers, and of course Scouts have dramatically more mobility to get behind you and get back out.
That's why Pyro's gotten support class and defensive stuff when he didn't even have airblast at launch. They just don't know what else to do with him.
>>337133182
Too little, too late. They better scrap everything and start back from zero with TF3.
>>337146137
>air blasts knock the user back, enabling sweet jumps
I actually had an idea for a flamethrower with this gimmick once. It was going to be fashioned out of one of the rockets from Poopy Joe's. The gimmick was that airblast knockback was doubled (and double projectile speed), but also knocked you back for a regular airblast, depending on your trajectory.
Didn't think about stats, although +airblast ammo cost is a no brainer.
>>337148404
>Kek he actually thinks this
expect to be able to buy lootboxes with real money
Too late Valve. Overwatch is the hottest game of the summer. I don't even know if I can go back to TF2. Sometimes you just need something new.
It's funny because Valve are doing what Blizzard did with DotA.
>pfft we're the only one like this, there's no point in making a new game lol
>oh wait this other company is finding tremendous success because people have been clamoring for some support for this genre
>uhhhhhhhh FUCK hey guys uh we're back haha please stop playing those old games and come play our old/janky one, it's new and improved!
>>337146137
Why doesn't it do this already? Hell, wouldn't it increase the skill floor for airblast juggling and stationary reflects if you're knocking yourself back all the time? Try to be a sneaky snake on Nucleus and you could be the one going over the edge.
>>337147326
>>337147980
They should use damage drop off based on distance instead of RNG.
>>337148187
>cosmetics are free in Overwatch
lol they already made some new skins exclusive to the $60 version of the game. I doubt the future cosmetic dlc will be added to the rng lootbox pool.
I thought Pony Fortress 2 was dead?
>>337133182
TF2 can't be 'saved' unless they gut it of all the utter shit low-quality content they added that turned the gamer trash. Game breadth does not make for a better game.
Also, fuck being a "modern competitive title". That's not what made TF2 fun in the first place. Besides, I doubt you can "balance" it in a way that doesn't make the Scout/Demoman/Soldier inherently overpowered.
>>337151025
>Besides, I doubt you can "balance" it in a way that doesn't make the Scout/Demoman/Soldier inherently overpowered
you can, it would probably just require some pretty radical redesigning of the identity of the classes
>>337135857
I've just heard of Nuclear Throne for the first time today and now I see a reaction image of it at random, like five seconds later.
Deja vu thread?
>>337135050
What things riot did? LoL still nintendo tier in the online features department.
Is arena still dead? I had so much fun with that around the time of the spy update.
>>337151183
Okay, I don't think Valve would be willing to do the changes required to fix Demoman and Soldier.
I mean, fuck, they spent years randomly nerfing the Pyro. Remember the update when they nerfed it so much it dealt less damage than the fucking Medic?
>>337151760
I started playing arena again on certain servers. But then there was a sniper and an engineer.
I now know why people dont play arena anymore.
Snipers inherently make for a shitty gameplay experience for the other people playing, so there's no way to fix the sniper. That said, get rid of the fucking Razorback, at least then Spies/Snipers can just attack each other.
Similar, to a slightly lesser extent, for Spy. If it's easily possible to be a useful Spy then you're just annoying the fuck out of the other team, so you can't make it 'fair'. That said.
They've insisted on nerfing the Pyro into uselessness, because it's annoying spam class... even though it's supposed to be an annoying spam class.
Medic is basically fine, although it's probably too good of an offensive option with the blutsauger and ubersaw. Cutting the health (back?) down to 125 would probably be a good idea.
Demoman and Soldier are hugely overpowered and basically need to be fundamentally redesigned, something Valve will never do. Yes, they used to be worse, but that doesn't mean shit, aside from Valve being awful at balancing. Maybe splash damage is the best option.
Heavy is underpowered because there's basically no point playing it as an offensive class when you could play Demoman/Soldier and deal more damage while being less accurate and being faster and also have vertical movement options.
Scout feels slightly OP but I don't think there's any solution.
>>337151856
Needle gun damage is still really good at close range. I bet it's still easy to backpeddle the poor fuckers to death with it.
I don't know because I can't not use the crossbow. I mean jesus christ it autoreloads while holstered
>>337145870
No, Pyro needs a complete rework.
The class is fundamentally designed to be be amazing against newer players, since most have no idea how to handle a Pyro, but gets shit on by veteran and professional players because lack of range.
At it's core, you can be more efficient with the stock shotgun than you can with the flamethrower, as it takes a longer time than Heavy to kill with it at point blank, and relies on low damage afterburn (which does less per second than a cleaver's bleed) that can be countered by multiple sources in game as is.
Pyro's abilities, Spychecking, Afterburn immunity, and Airblasting projectiles also make it to where the class is dependent on a person playing as a certain class on the enemy team (Spy, another Pyro, being fed projectiles) to make the best use out of this, and if going up against another Pyro without a shotgun, the fight turns into "Who can M1 the best".
In 6s, Pyro suffers because he can get outplayed easily by two Scouts and lacks the mobility to get to mid quick enough without the aid of a Powerjack that can make Pyro even weaker, but Pyro is useful for denying Ubers when played on last.
In Highlander, Pyro's literally cucked and has to watch over the Med and the Engi. If he steps out of line, he can be headshotted or torn to shreds by the enemy team almost instantly.
It's hard doing redoing Pyro because a lot of proposed changes are dumb.
>Less health means it's squishier
>More speed means that it shits on Medic and M1 will be a bigger problem
>Longer flamethrower means that it's even easier to spam flames to hit people
whats the point of a competetive game that has zero depth aside from "work with ur team"
tf2 is boring enough to play who the fuck is actually watching comp tf2
>>337154496
The issue is that Valve nerfed the living fuck out of the Pyro's offensive abilities because they felt it was too easy and it annoyed them. The Pyro was basically fine originally and they literally turned it into a pointless non-viable class.
>>337154496
A lot of people characterise the Heavy as the "safe, secure class that's forgiving to beginners but boring and limited for vets", but when I first entered the game I sucked with the Heavy and did best (ie did some damage and lasted more than fifteen seconds) with the Pyro. He doesn't require you to aim at all.
That said, I haven't played any Pyro since, and never learnt to airblast/reflect at all. Including gimmicks like this in the forgiving class strikes me as confused design, although it may be ergonomic for game-space to give this class more of a role at high end play.
Maybe the Pyro should function like a Red Mage in Final Fantasy. Swiss Army Knife of tricks, very forgiving early game, little development late game but still a reliable fallback.
>>337138190
Not even new Doom forced Valve to make Half-Life. It's over. I honestly lost all hope and wish they would at least make a new Left 4 Dead.
>>337154496
Buff range and afterburn damage.
SERIOUSLY chew ammo fast, way faster than anyone else. Everyone virtually never needs to get ammo except snipers maybe, especially with ammo pickups in most common camping spots. Pyro effectively will be bringing a tool like the medigun and sentry, and will spycheck by flooding rooms, but then run away to re-arm so they can't camp spots.
The rate they can get from dispensers would mean they stay on a dispenser or use sidearms while using them, and not roam.
To avoid pyro stacks, fire does not stack damage and direct damage is meaningless.
>>337154496
>The class is fundamentally designed to be be amazing against newer players, but gets shit on by veteran and professional players
I know that's how Pyro plays, but was it really intentional? It's not like how Demo was supposed to be a defensive class but for years and years he was an amazing offensive DPS they only recently toned down?
Iron sights confirmed
sprint button confirmed
MOBA powers with cooldowns confirmed
killstreaks confirmed
obtrusive HUD icons all over the map confirmed
DLC map packs confirmed.
>>337156118
>Demo was supposed to be a defensive class but for years and years he was an amazing offensive DPS they only recently toned down?
Demo was designed to be a class that can switch between defending and leading offensive pushes. He was always was considered to be a mix between offensive/defensive class.
>>337156118
I doubt it, but unlike the Demo I reckon it's prudent just to roll with it.
>>337133275
It's been that way for years, used to love playing TFC
>>337154496
Pyro has an uber-piercing, hitscan knockback ability and just for that, I think it's the biggest cancer in TF2 right now. Not good, just cancer.
>>337133182
I'm just glad someone came along to light a fire under Valve's ass. They've been complacent for so long because they've had no competition, now Overwatch is some kind of decent competition and Valve is responding appropriately.
Of course, they could have sat on their laurels and did nothing, watch Overwatch peter out on its own (and it will in less than a year guaranteed), but nice to see they're doing something.
Yeah because counter strike and dota totally doesnt have problens with cheaters.
>we're finally gonna balance TF2!
You're about 5 years too late.
>>337155213
they've been working on l4d3 for the last 3 years.
