Was this the peak of the series technically and quality wise? Will we ever see it on the PS4 or PC?
I'm replaying it, but the ps3 version to practice my moon.
I haven't played the series too much, but Vesperia has some really shitty dungeons that are literally a bunch of squared rooms connected corridors, or even just corridors without any puzzles or something for the sorcerer's ring (like the one I just finished, Relewiese Hollow). People shit on Symphonia for being too gimmicky, but at least the, dungeons felt more complex.
The overworld and the optional stuff is great tho (if you have gamefaqs by your side).
>Dat chick on the right
why are they all in their pajamas
>>337111921
Go home grognard
>>337111778
>>337111741
Later games take your issue with the dungeons and run with it. I can't remember a single puzzle in the Xillias and Graces' entire goddamn world was one long corridor.
>>337112346
That's a shame. So, was Vesperia the last one with the classic formula of overworld, towns and dungeons?
Innocent dungeons were unbearable, but at least it had overworld.
WHY WERE WE THERE BACK TO BACK
>>337111741
>>337112346
I thought Vesperia's dungeons were alright. I would have liked more puzzles and both Symphonia and Abyss were better in that regard. Graces had some dungeons with puzzles like picture related. Xillia didn't, but that game was so fucking rushed it showed everywhere, not only when it comes to the dungeons. Zesitira's dungeons had puzzles but both the dungeons themselves and the puzzles were generally terrible.
I'd say everything from the PS2 era to Vesperia was the peak. Really, things didn't start fucking up until they decided to merge the two teams.
>>337113409
This is literally the only dungeon in Graces with a puzzle.
>>337113618
That is pretty much my opinion, but I am a little hyped for Berseria. I didn't even play Zesteria, Hearts or Xillia 1 and 2.
>>337113409
how were kids in japan supposed to figure out how the fuck to do this without a guide?
>>337112598
Instead of an overworld, Xillia had a bunch of canyons that all look the same but with different colors
>>337113716
That's not true, there were a few others that did like Bathus Cathedral and the final main arc dungeon.
>>337113818
Sandshroud Ruins wasn't mandatory. So I guess they thought it was okay. The only reason why I even went there was to get Book of Solitude.
Abyss with Vesperia's gameplay (+ FOFs) and graphics would be the perfect Tales for me.
>>337113984
meh, I already thought Vesperia did everything better than Abyss but the lore
>>337112346
graces had some puzzles. xilla is just a walking corridor.
>>337111308
>mfw they never released the game in English for PS3
I sure as fuck ain't modding my PS3 for one game.
>>337114223
PS3 emu is getting better
Why do so many "die hard" tales of fans hate Vesperia? I've played a bunch of them and Vesperia was the only one I really liked. Rest is boring shit.
>>337114307
It's more like people hate the fanbase. I don't understand why. Vesperia is still easily the best out of the HD Tales.
>>337114307
Maybe because it was released on xbox and they refused to localize the ps3 version. Dunno
I wouldn't know, I played for 10 hours with barely anything happening so I dropped it.
All the other Tales I've played (even Graces) had shit go down relatively early in the game, but in this it's just 10+ hours of chasing a fucking water thief.
Boring as shit.
>>337114307
it's more its availability. fans at the time bought a ps3 for jrpgs, and then vesperia came out on 360. to add insult to injury ps3 version exists, but it's jap-only and you need to modify your ps3 to play the fan translation. this leads to classic case of people shit talking about something they haven't played just out of spite.
>>337114307
Sonyggers hating it because it's on 360. (inb4 some weeb pretends playing it in japanese that they don't understand is fun)
Then you just got butthurt fags being butthurt because Vesperia is considered one of the best.
No... there is another...
>>337114223
>>337111308
It's too late to translate and release the actual PS3 version and Scamco making just a PC port won't happen. My guess is that they will eventually make PS4 and PC versions, but I imagine it will have to be some sort of remaster or something, so it'll probably take a while until they do that.
Abyss
Vesperia
Hearts R
are my top 3. Though I wish Hearts R had a better translation.
>>337114603
This one look promising. They better not fuck it up.
>>337114603
So how does ToB tie in to Zestiria? is it in the future or different continent or what?
who in their right mind thought this was a good idea?
>so you want cherias rita custom right?
>than you have to answer all the questions with out me getting ANY points
>you dont know these characters? to bad
>dont mind me, i get faster the longer the game continues.
>i sometimes pick cards before the person finish the quote
>there so many cards in the screen, they sometimes hide under other cards and make it impossible to see
i gave up after an hour of this.
>>337114637
If I've seen anything with this crazy wave of JRPG releases for PC, it's never too late for anything. Not to mention it's not like Vesperia aged horribly or anything. I'd be happy with digital only.
>>337114761
It takes place a hundred or so years before Zestiria. The two games aren't directly tied but there will be references.
why have they not made a HD-release of abyss yet? or released it on ps store?
>>337114993
It's on 3DS now. No idea why they didn't at least put the original on PSN. Years ago, I mean.
>>337114993
Because it's on 3dsand its shit
>>337114764
Was easy for me. Probably because im a fan of this series and played every single one unlike you pleb-kun.
>>337115127
>>337115145
>they chose 3ds instead of vita
yeah, I really enjoy staring at that shitty 240p screen
>>337111308
I really want Vesperia on PC. I don't care if it's the gimped 360 version or the superior PS3 version, I want to be able to mod the game and play at a proper resolution.
>>337114848
I remain cautiously interested. ToZ wasn't bad storywise but it wasn't great either. It was very predictable and kinda bland.Rose a shit
From what little I've seen of ToB it looks to be darker so it might be cool.
>>337114993
emulate in PCSX2 if you want to play in HD with no loading times
>>337114842
Vesperia is a bit of a different beast from other PC Tales games like Symphonia and Zestiria though. They would have to translate all the new parts unique to the PS3 version. Aside from that they would also have to scrap all the English voice acting from the 360 version and just release it with Japanese audio, because there is no way in hell they would be able to bring back all the old English voice actors. The PS3 contains double the amount of audio of the 360 version after all. I'm not saying it's impossible, it just seems like it would mean a lot more work than the other Tales games that have made their way to PC. I'll remain hopeful though, since it'd be nice if more people had the chance to play Vesperia.
If you really want to play PS3 Vesperia just import.
This guide right there have literally everything you need.
http://hyouta.com/vesperia/
>>337115397
Unless portability matters THAT much to someone there's really no reason to play the 3DS version because it's inferior in every way. Not to mention Abyss didn't look so bad that you want to hide it with smaller resolution and jaggies everywhere.
>>337113813
Hearts R is alright, gameplay wise. Awful localization ruined what little merit the characters and story had.
>>337114761
The blonde guy is supposedly Edna's brother.
>>337115473
so why not just release the game translated in english but with the japanese voices left in tact?
they did that for hearts R, why not vesperia?
>>337115397
>emulate in PCSX2 if you want to play in HD
Yeah enjoy your ghosting effect and buggy sound.It's still the better choice though
>>337115261
i want to puke.
>>337114764
The only hard part about it is Rebirth, Heart, ToD2, narikiri dungeon and Innocence quotes. Which is almost more than half of the cards. But the reason being no english release and the quotes translation are a bit wonky.
>>337115752
they fixed the ghosting and sound with a long time ago
>>337114764
I actually liked this, at least it wasn't another box dragging minigame
>>337115261
Releasing it on Vita would have been so much better.
>>337115709Microsoft paid them not to.
>>337115485
>http://hyouta.com/vesperia/
This is a really great source for Anki. I wish I had known about it during my first year of self learning Jap.
Now that you brought it up, what was the point of
http://hyouta.com/vesperia/?version=ps3§ion=scenario&name=EP_0060_020
>ã‚ャナリ
>Casey
Didn't they catch the whole swan/raven/canary bird names thing?
>>337115890
this makes no sense, why would microsoft pay to not release a game for their own windows platform?
>>337115864
I loved this one as well, me and a friend once played that shit all night and it got pretty intense sometimes.
>>337114764
some of these characters games weren't even released in america or europe.
>>337115886
I mean, I'm not saying Vita is a solution to all the problems, but Hearts R pretty much showed how it wrecked DS completely. 3DS isn't much better except it can actually render half-assed 3D models now.
>>337115890
That's an almost entirely unfounded rumor but I wouldn't be surprised
What seemed likelier is the rumor that Vesperia development was hell because Bamco initially wanted a same-day global release or something like that, so after development was wrapped up they didn't want to relive itI have no idea where I read this story and I have no clue if it's true or not
>>337116332
>but Hearts R pretty much showed how it wrecked DS completely
I consider them like two different games. Gameplay is completely different, story is changed a lot, added a character in R.
I like both. But I prefer DS combat.
>>337116332
Hearts R is a poor example because the result is two very different beasts, neither of which is overall superior
Innocence R was way better than the original though, in pretty much every way.
https://youtu.be/a2rlWpph2L4?t=21
vesperia was so broken but it was fun to exploit these crazy stuff
>>337113060
WHY WERE WE THERE FACE TO FACE
Vesperia was the best Tales, no doubt about it. Best art style, best gameplay.
Speaking of Tales, how dark will Tales of Bears be? It has Edna's brother in it, and that nigga turned into a dragon.
>>337115473
Pretty sure all the PS3 version-exclusive content has english voice work recorded, they just never released it because an english PS3 version never saw the light of day.
>>337116826
Still wonder if this had something to do with microsoft in the west.
>>337111308
Yes, Vesperia had perfect cell-shading style. Gameplay had some quirks, but was solid as well.
Every single console game after it looks worse, and characters are worse.
I've kind of liked Innocence R and Hearts R on Vita, but after playing Zestiria I'm done with series.
>>337116826
I doubt they do, but still it wouldn't be hard to just leave the Japanese voices there or just take them out for the PS3 exclusive scenes if an English dub is all that important.
>>337114761
It's a distant prequel to Zestiria, like Symphonia to Phantasia.
>>337114764
It's not that much easier if you know all the characters
>>337115890
No they didn't.
>>337116916
>>337116826
Some of the extra lines were recorded, but not all, as far as I know. Besides, few are those who would genuinely mind a Jap-dub only release.
>>337117047
That's bullshit and you're dumb
>>337117062
She really has the most satisfying combos.
>>337117062
>>337112058
God damn she's perfect.
>>337114663
Excellent taste.
>You will never play Vesperia PS3 in English for the first time again
as soon as I hacked my console, that was the first game I pirated for it. I would have bought it if it were released officially in the US.
>>337117236
On hard, it's true. Magic Carta was originally meant to be played with a motion controller and they forgot to rebalance the CPU cursor speed for joysticks.
Knowing who's who doesn't help much when the fucker jumps to the right card in a split second.
I feel bad for anyone who still hasn't played Vesperia yet.
Even the beta 360 version is better than 80% of Tales games.
>>337114993
>tfw Destiny and Eternia are not on PSN
>>337117376
this. the joystick control is almost abysmal.
more than once have i picked the wrong card because it was right next to another.
Vesperia was the last game made by Team Symphonia.
Graces F was the last game made by Team Destiny.
Coincidentally, those were the last two good Tales games to be released.
When Team Destiny and Symphonia merged, they started making shitty games like Zesteria and Xillia.
>>337112058
mfw i can't play Judith for shit, i don't see how people pull off those crazy air combos
How many BELTS can you handle?
>>337117750
Always focus on trying to lift the enemy into the air to start off
>>337117591
Glad to see im not the only one who think that.
Baba a shit.
>>337112058
Y she only doing 1 Damage??
>>337117913
how do you rebound to such overaccessorized shit after ludger's great design?
>dat feel when he almost didn't look like that because some genius thought "he looked too much like an npc"
>>337117913
One thing for sure: I can handle belts better than hueg shoulder pads from western medieval armours.
>>337117970
That's pretty much what everybody thinks. Team Destiny/Symphonia are at their best when they're working on their own shit. Hearts DS is the only good collab they had.
>>337118051
Because he set the skill that make you do 1 dmg only.
>>337118051
Training dummy.
Is Tales of Rebirth any good? I know its JP onry but I like the character artwork.
Patty is the best tales of loli
Patty got the most fun playstyle of any characters in the series
Patty is very cute andfuckable
>>337118275
It's combat is among the most complex in the series, so you have to look up some tutorials
>>337117591
Seriously, it was a stupid decision to merge two very different development teams with very different design philosophies and expect the outcome to be good.
Berseria looks like a step in the right direction, though. Even the box art is a homage to the old games, being handled by a single artist instead of the bland collab stuff we had recently.
>>337118882
yes
>>337118882
>>337118882
Fuck
>>337118882
>>337118882
>>337113818
We have a bigger iq than you guys.
>>337118882
Oh god no the feds are after me now you motherfucker
>>337114603
>female protagonist
I really want to like it but most games with female protagonists are utter garbage...
>>337118882
>>337118882
deleted because i don't want a vacation :(
>>337119329
It's a first for Tales series, isn't it?
>>337118882
Is this image Tales related?
>>337118882
Oh shit
>>337114761
Its about the same time as the events in zestiria but set in another galaxy.
They sent a group of people from every place there to colonize this new galaxy.
>>337114764
I cheated with that one. I took a picture with my phone and then paused the game each time.
>>337118051
There's a skill so you do only one damage
iirc it's so you can guarantee to do executions
I think you get special bonuses for doing them.
Like exp or money depending on which you do
![latest[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/9s7ODMT.jpg "latest[1].jpg")
>>337119556
yeh
>>337114307
Because most people who'd say Vesperia is their favorite, probably hasn't played any of the older ones and that makes the neckbeards butthurt.
Kinda like how DC fags gets pissy when normies say that Heath Ledger is THE Joker, when the normies hasn't read a single comic or even watched Batman TAS
And so on and so on
>>337120383
I'd say Vesperia is my favorite, and I played Phantasia. Emulated on SNES, and GBA. Heard the PS1 version is the best, but eh.
Never played Destiny, waiting on the remake to be localized in a million years. Also really want to play Rebirth, since I got to play some before my PSP bricked. It might take over Vesperia's spot as my favorite.
>>337118275
>Is Tales of Rebirth any good?
I don't know, but at least there's a translation in the works. Because you know, god can attest that a game like Vesperia which already had English version needed a translation of PS3 version instead of a game that's available only in Japanese ever.
>>337118275
Yes
>>337118275
Battle system is 2D but on three planes. Many spells and artes hit multiple lines in various patterns. Lots of zone control on the enemy's part. Some esoteric shield power raising system is in play that I couldn't get from just playing it. I'd say it's my favorite 2D Tales game, since I've never played Destiny DC or Hearts DS.
>>337120703
you should know by now fan translations are never lead by any logic, just passion
>>337120703
>Complaining about the translation for Vesperia PS3
>Not complaining about throughhim and Cless who only care about translating different versions of Phantasia over and over again
>>337120991
That only applies to Tales fan translations.
>>337120703
>>337120991
That and Vesperia PS3's patch mostly used text from the 360 version. The only reason why it didn't come out sooner was due to the project leader being a moron for a few by trying to apply DRM to the patch.
Rebirth's translation is completely from scratch and is a Multi-5 effort on top of that.
>>337121051
Doing a fan patch for a PS3 is harder you dope. With Phantasia, all they have to paste the script make and a few QoL changes to fit the new version.
>>337121249
Throughim is revising Phantasia X's script. He's not even that far into it.
>>337121198
>trying to apply DRM to the patch.
Whoa, really? That's shitty.
>>337121316
To be fair, Phantasia X has Londrine in it so there's a few changes.
Her in game model is so cute. I hope we get her early on.
>>337121535
For some reason he was concerned about the sales of a game that was already over half a decade old at that point.
Thankfully he couldn't make it work out.
>>337121645
be fucking prepared to be disappointed
she will probably just be cut out of the roster early in the game like the rest of the cast will, for absolutely no reason except to accommodate the shitty party setup that the devs needlessly force on you
>>337121051
So they're the insane fanboys type?
I've heard Zestiria is a step up from Graces and Xillia.
True?
>>337122120
Xillia 2 is the best post merger game and Zestiria is easily the worst.
>>337122120
Zestiria is Graces with everything that made Graces good ripped out
>>337122190
>Xillia 2
You ready to fucking operate?
>>337122120
No. Even it's battle system is like a dumbed down Graces.
>>337122383
LITERALLY
WORSE
THAN
A
BILLION
HITLERS
>>337122383
>Heterochromatic eyebrows
No matter how good Ludger's design is, this detail will always look stupid to me.
Currently playing Xillia 2 after having finished the first one and I'm so torn on it. I mean, the fighting's pretty nice, with the weapon switching and all, and a lot of the designs were improved.Rowen a bestbut that decision to lock the voice acting of the main character behind new game + is so baffling... And some cutscenes animations are just so lifeless...
It's a strange ride.
>>337117750
One day you're gonna git gud
>>337122576
Agreed. I hide the hair color change by making him wear a hat, but these eyebrows, man. I'm making cats do errands in hopes to hide them with sunglasses. Then again, I played most of Xillia 1 with everyone wearing sunglasses. Except Jude, who wore two pairs at once.
>>337111741
>People shit on Symphonia for being too gimmicky, but at least the, dungeons felt more complex.
God, I don't even know want to know how simple Vesperia is if you consider Symphonia's dungeon to be more complex. Because they were a complete joke.
>>337114223
Ps3 is region-free, senpai. You just need the disk.
>>337123310
Actually, it can be region-locked on a game by game basis, but I think the only game that ever used it was Persona 4 Arena Ultimax
>>337117913
Shouldn't we count Millia's belt levels for Xillia? Also, I'm pretty sure Ludger's holster (which is probably his phone case) counts as a belt level of at least 0.5.
>>337123310
And it will magically translate itself?
>>337123947
Someone posted a link to he full translation in the thread and it has the whole text there.
If you can't play play like that, then I can't help you.
>>337111308
> Was this the peak of the series technically and quality wise?
Combatwise, not really. But as far as characters go... Yuri is the greatest Tales character. And it's because he doesn't mind doing "justice" his own way. And his brand of "justice" is straight up murder. Fuck the law.
No Japan isn't going to double dip again they learned their lesson after what happen and got pissed and started to destroy their ToV copies for the 360 version.
>>337123031
What? Not the person you're responding to but Symphonia's best quality is its dungeon design, which it does better than any other 3D Tales game (there ARE more puzzles; if you're just bandwagon shitting on a bad game, then fuck off. Everything else about the game basically sucks. Abyss does not have even close to the same quality of dungeon design as Symphonia (and every character sucks - yes, even Guy, for pointlessly pulling his sword in a meeting about saving the world). Vesperia's dungeons aren't as good either but I still like it the best because of the characters and combat.
>>337114842
>Crazy wave of JRPG releases
This is my favorite meme.
>>337118079
Can't remember the designers name behind Ludger but apparently Baba hates that guy. Ludger was also described as "NPC" and not main character.
>>337122232
Graces wasn't good either
Innocence R where?
>>337121645
She will either leave early and never rejoin or she'll be a pointlessly late game addition
Or maybe just a temp
>>337114637
I want to believe. I sure as fuck won't be buying a 360 for a single game but at the same time I'd like to play vesperia eventually.
>>337124994
Baba needs to be fired for being an incompetent tool
Also Ludger's design, barring the stupid ass hair color, is great.
>>337125080
No kidding. I played the original and dropped it right as soon as I got to that volcano town after that fucking underwater dungeon.
>>337124994
Kondo designs are always destined to suffer greatly
>>337125080
Someday.
>>337125080
>>337125406
They'd probably have the same team that did Hearts R localize it and in that case we'd be better off just not getting in English and replaying Hearts R if you really liked the combat that much
>Vesperia will never see release in the west
>Vesperia books about raven and judith will never get these fan translations finished
I got plat ps3 version few years ago but it still hurts
>>337125546
Eh, aside from that dumb decision to rename him Kor even though everyone else in the game calls him Shing, I didn't find it that bad.
I haven't played a Tales game since Graces F, and can't really think of a reason why besides a tight budget and laziness. Is it worth going back and playing the ones I missed?
>>337124770
Get those nostalgia filters off, Abyss dungeons were extremely well designed compared to Symphonia dungeons. The puzzles were also more interesting on the whole in Abyss, especially those using the later Mieu fire upgrades. The branches made this way made it feel rewarding when you completed them. Vesperia had some of this too, and made good use of the sorcerers ring to do it. Xillia was more like Symphonia in dungeon design than any other game in the series I have played. All dungeons were one path in and out, or just another high road to get past. I like the mystery of finding areas I cannot enter in a dungeon I am exploring at one point, but once I get past a certain stage of the game can access without issue and find cool new things to mess around with.
>>337125820
>rename him Kor
Not him, but that isn't a clear indication of how little they care about the script itself, right? You basically played a rewrited game.
>>337126367
I hardly pay any attention to things like that, desu.
Though, I can see how it would bother others.
>>337115473
Don't forget that Yuri is voiced by Troy Baker, who has now deemed himself too above shovelware anime titles.
Laura Bailey is next. Though, I suppose they could just hire Alvin's voice actor to voice Yuri. He's basically Not-Troy Baker.
>>337125820
Do they always rename the protags when they translate or something? Cless from phantasia became Cress or Crest something like that.
>>337126663
I'm not certain. The only official translation of Phantasia is the GBA, so idk.
I recall his name being Cless when I played the fan-translated PS1 version.
>>337125820
Were you only in it for the gameplay? Fuck man I don't know, it was really tl;dr and the dialogue was shittier than any other Tales and it had a huge impact on story and characters
Not to mention they limited the text to one section of dialogue boxes so the massive boxes just looked dumb as shit
That and the fucking Arte names holy shit how they fucked that up I just don't understand
>>337127426
>That and the fucking Arte names holy shit how they fucked that up I just don't understand
>They actually changed the name of Super Lightning Blade
>>337126663
It's always weebs flexing their muscles about romanization.
>>337127594
Yeah, it was pretty clear whoever did the localization had never heard of the series before.
