FINE AS IS:
>All support classes
>Hanzo
>Junkrat
>Pharah
>Soldier76
>Roadhog
>Widowmaker
>Winston
NERFS:
>Bastion
Prevent turret mode on moving objects to prevent Reinhardt payload combo
>Genji
Increase cool down time on reflect
>McCree
Slightly increase Fan the Hammer spread OR add more recoil
>Mei
Add longer cooldown to icebox OR decrease slowdown from freeze gun
>Reinhardt
Increase shield regen time
>Torbjorn
Add a longer initial build time to turrets
BUFFS:
>D. Va
Decrease massive critical zone on mech
Slightly increase movement speed while firing OR slightly decrease spread
>Tracer
Make ultimate have more damage OR more range
Allow her to throw the ultimate a bit further
>Zarya
Increase shield time OR make it less noticeable until shot
NEUTRAL:
>Reaper
Decrease teleport time
Add a damage ramp-up on his ult OR require aiming for higher damage output
>>337037507
So this is a troll thread right?
>>337037627
It sure seems like it
>Pharah fine as is
Fuck no nigga, she needs buffs.
Torbs turret also needs a longer lock on time and less range
>>337037762
>She's actually getting nerfs
I've never spotted a SHITTER so fast in my life.
Honestly all are fine as is. If anything, maybe add a 1 second windup to bastion turret mode and take out Mei's RMB
>>337037861
Best POTG.
>>337037507
No ultimate skills game mode
>>337037961
>All are fine as is
You've never played a good Genji then. He's borderline broken, killing at every range and having insane mobility with his lunge in any direction
>>337037627
>>337037649
What parts do you disagree with?
>>337038094
genji is super flimsy though, can't heal himself, and gets shredded by any tank, especially zarya and winston
>>337037507
limit on class types and one player per character
that shit may be in custom game types but make it official on matchmaking
also
>no one ever goes support
>have to go support to make team not lose
everytime
My favorite part of Overwatch is watching people go throught he same knee-jerk wrong opinions that we went rhough in Firefall years ago.
>THE ROOTED TURRET CHARACTER IS OPbecause I am bad
>THE MINI TURRET SHORT RANGE CHARACTER IS SHITbecause I am bad
>THE FLYING ROCKET AoE AND CC CUNT ISN'T THAT GREATbecause I am REALLY bad and haven't realized how strong Pharah is and how badly she'll need a nerf once people work it out
The only character that needs changed at all right now is Zenyatta, nerf that burst damage or add a steeper falloff to it.
Turrets need a complete downgrade. Remove infinite range, instant targeting, and automatic target switching to those that deal it damage. Also make its health less so that there aren't so many classes with no chance on destroying it if the faggot dwarf is just camping near it.
>>337037507
Bastions repair should be disabled while in turret mode. its too overpowered to have him sit there and fully heal because you need to reload for a sec. That of nerf damage in turret mode by 50%
>>337038201
Zenyatta and Symmetra need a buff because they are currently worthless compared to Mercy and Lucio especially since Zen and Sym have 0 mobility
Give me reasons why 40$ is too much for this game.
Can you even do that?
>>337038364
A good symmetra is godly though, those turrets do their work and the teleporter uptime is great.
>>337037507
Nah. Bastion is fine, he just needs a cool down on turrent mode. Mei just needs a slight reduction on how much she heals inside her ice. Literally every other champ is fine. Maybe Pharah could use some buffing - attack speed maybe?
>>337038364
i dont get why sym is a support character.
her only use is the teleporter she souldve been listed as a defense character or scrapped all together
From what Ive played, I think Bastion needs his turret damage reduced, Winston needs to be buffed in everything, and thats mostly it.
>>337038462
TF2 is free
This game was originally going to be free as well
Super shitty balancing
Pharah is slightly fantastic. The key is to not play her like soldier. Jump jets to escape from danger rather than jumping in/around.
>>337038349
If Bastion doesn't move between fights, your sniper should be instagibbing him.
Bastion is purely a Bad Player Punishment King, he honestly probably needs a buff, but he'll never get one because people are refusing to learn how to fight him, instead just deciding he's OP and calling it a day
>B-B-BUT THE REINHART/MERCY BASTION SUPPORT COMBO!
Would work on any other character too, and is a problem with Mercy/Reinhart, not Bastion.
>>337038462
The maps and gamemodes are pretty barebones, don't you think? You can't really deny that and this is coming from a guy that's gonna buy it.
People complaining about bastion are bad. It's really that simple. There's never been an easier way to tell who's shit or not. Seriously, someone complaining about bastion, post your stats. Go on.
>>337038510
>Winston needs to be buffed in everything, and thats mostly it.
You're playing him wrong.
>>337038625
Do we know for certain the open beta maps are the only maps there will be on release?
increase the tick rate so sniping isnt a point and click adventure
Bastion is OP because maps are tiny corridors and Bastion does 100 to 0 in a second, 2 seconds on Reinhardt.
But Pharah takes the cake. Thing is, Pharah's damage is needed to cross the FUCKING KILLBOX OF BASTION AND TORBJORN
The only and only characters you truly need in a team are
Pharah attacking
Reinhardt tank
Lucio healing or Mercy dicksucking the team
Bastion defending
These are THE BEST in their respective classes. Others are kinda fun but not get to THE POINT as these go.
>You can't prove me wrong
>Implying Genji
>>337037507
>Nerfing Bastion
Genji needs a damage buff with his shurikens and blade attack and everyone except the tanks need a movement speed increase. The game play way too sluggishly because of how people move.
>>337038648
Bastion isn't difficult to beat, but the Reinhardt Bastion payload combo needs a fix somehow
>Bastion turret mode
>A problem
That's where I shine more so than ever.
>>337038752
The best way to play him is not at all. He isnt practically untouched for no reason. His gun is like a tickle and punches and ult dont do significant damage either.
>make Bastion not able to shoot through Rheinhardts shield
There I fix'd your problem.
Dedicated servers
>>337038880
Junkrat is great in that situation except for when the Bastion is camped so far back that you can't reach him with your bombs.
>>337038831
>>337038648
>itt bastion players
>>337038864
phara's e
symmetra
>>337038848
>Genji needs a buff
>>337038462
I would be having fun if i didn't ever got to that point in game where you need to cross a tiny corridor and it's filled with random shots of everything and no one can push forward.
The maps are ass.
So I just got tired and mained the much needed Pharah and win all day every day.
>>337037507
>FINE AS IS
>Hanzo
Opinion immediately thrown in the dumpster, called the cops, etc.
>>337038826
a really popular competitive composition is
2 mcree
2 lucio
2 reinhardt
I would say those are the best of their classes.
>>337038826
As much as I want to tell you how much of a cock sucking faggot you are, you are right.
>>337038938
So always
>>337038880
Just pick Pharah.
>>337038938
Then I'll just mine jump over and get killed in mid-air.
>>337038985
Are you implying he's too weak or too strong? If you're about to complain about his ult killing you you're literally retarded. Or deaf
>>337038963
When you're not against a sniper or the specific few classes deflecting does really good against in terms of killing them, his weapons do chip damage for the most part.
>>337037861
My sides
Oh look, another casual complaining about Bastion. He doesn't need to be nerfed, he's already extremely easy to kill.
>>337038504
Because muh anal sex loving Indian waifu
remove autoaim specials
increase movement speed because sniping is piss easy
>>337038985
What's wrong with Hanzo? The only problem he has is that he can't run away from anyone which in exchange has a free area scan.
His damage is high and he can pretty much shoot while keeping check of his surroundings.
>>337038897
He's a hit and run character that distracts the team and picks off support and snipers. There's a reason "competitive" teams use him.
The problem is Blizzard fucked up labeling him a tank. They even nerfed him in the closed beta.
>Either nerf Bastion's turret damage by a third or have him highlighted through walls at all times when he's in turret form.
>Either remove Widowmakers off hand gun or increase Hanzo's rate of fire.
>Don't credit that Dwarf Fucks turret kills to 'game winning play' count. So tired of seeing that boring shit.
>Double Pig Man's hook range.
>Remove loot crates, let us buy the shit we want with ingame points from a point shop.
>>337038795
>the tick rate meme
99% of people don't even know what this means, and it was proven false anyhow.
>>337038752
I hated playing super donkey Kong until I got gud with him, now he's great. I do the Mario all over fuckers. The key is to not treat him like fucking Reinhardt - your job is to jump on supports and snipers and fuck shit up, then jump away.
Reinhardt is my bad but people only know how to play him because he's straight forward. None of the other tanks play like him. Dva and Mankey are about high mobility, disruption, and brief dmg.mitigation. Zarya is about shield timing to amp up dmg then blasting through enemies with R2, and using your E to keep important allies alive. With a good mercy I was basically unkillable one match
>>337037762
>Her damage is going to get nerfed because it's so high
>Shitter wants a buff
>>337038826
and then suddenly junkrat is lobbing gernades across a wall and killing your bastion well he can mine your reinhardt in a shitty place.
>>337038826
>Pharah does anything and is immediately shot out of the air by people who can aim
>Reinhardt gets kited by everyone/ignored while his team dies
>Bastion is dead as soon as you know where he is due to all the characters who counter him
>>337037507
>>Tracer
>Make ultimate have more damage OR more range
>Allow her to throw the ultimate a bit further
It's bait guys, it's bait.
>>337039242
>Jump onto a sniper
>Die because Winston does crap damage
Now what.
>>337037507
>buff to tracer's ultimate: the only offensive ultimate that you cannot avoid and/or disable, because it's character independent and its effectiveness is determined not by possible counters but Tracer's ability
>>337038986
Mcree is fun and in a right spot but think about this
Can he fly and get instant HIGHER GROUND ANAKIN over the enemy team? no
Does he do splash damage from afar? no
Does he get more than 6 shots? nope
Does he needs to aim to do said damage? sadly yes
Pharah is better in (almost) any situation.
The (almost) is a really strange comp that isn't getting the more Pharah's treatment, or you Reinhardt hasn't got his dick sucked yet by Mercy.
>>337038462
Other studios are releasing games with much more effort, content and polish and are releasing them for less money.
Basically $40 is too much because of market competition
>>337038201
Torb & Bastion have been bottom tier a month after closed beta and stayed bottom throughout. Infact they tried buffing them and theyre still horrible.
zarya + mei and bastion + rein trigger the fuck out of me.
>>337039250
pig man's hook range is pretty shitty actually
>>337037507
>Fine as is
>All support classes
I wouldn't mind Lucio getting something more. He's good, but the wall riding isn't particularly useful because all the buildings in the maps have walls that aren't very good for wall riding, it doesn't allow you to get to other places as much as Hanzo or Genji's climb. Not sure what I'd change about it. It just feels like something is missing. Also, his ult seems like less of a game changer than most other ults. I'd give it a bit of an aoe knockback so that it can be used to clear capture points, the payload (particularly of things like bastions or turrets on top of payloads)
Zen's healing feels relatively weak as well, aside from his Ult. I don't get the 10's of thousands of healing that I can get on Lucio or Mercy when I play Zen. Mercy is more likely to save a person from dying. Not that it should be able to prevent dying from focus fire, but prevent death from one person's innaccurate automatic weapons fire or splash damage. Zen's heal is only semi useful for topping off someone that is not currently taking damage, except the ult of course.
I also think that Semmetra's shield is pretty weak, especially when the game considers her a support, but she's not likely to prevent any team members from dying (only able to help get them back to the fight faster with her teleporter)
Mercy is all around solid what you'd expect from a powerful support. Healing that can prevent someone who's even actively taking some damage from dying (but not from multiple sources focus firing), a damage boost that can help classes with automatic fire really rack up kills, great mobility, and a potentially game changing ult.
>Bastion
Remove his ability to self heal while in turret form and give his recongifuration skill a cooldown between switching from mobile to turret form. Perhaps even as short as 5-6 seconds would balance him, forcing him to leave point and hide away to heal up. Agreed on payload change.
>>337039080
>>337039185
The only thing I really think needs to be changed about Hanzo is that his Ult needs to do less damage the more shit it passes through.
Yeah its really obvious when he uses it but when I can't even see any enemies and the dragons suddenly pop up through a wall and chew my face off its a bit bullshit.
>>337039314
NU HUH BUT I AM A MASTER ROCKETEER AND YOU'LL NEVER HIT ME AND IN YOUR SCENARIOS THEY'RE JUST BAD
Perhaps that could be said of all characters.
>>337038364
Mercy is the worst of all current supports.
Widowmakers full power shot needs to charge up slightly faster imo.
>>337039575
>mercy
>bad
Pftahaahaha
>>337039463
Torb's turret is useless and he doesn't do enough to make up for it. Engi's turret in TF2 is terrifying, and he could still fuck your day up with the shotgun.
>>337039265
>>337039265
really because they said they'd be having custom servers with increased tickrates to monitor possible changes....
>>337039575HEAD AND SHOULDERS
>>337037507
The only thing I agree with is that Zarya should have a SLIGHTLY longer sheild. Like maybe .5 seconds. It does seem just a bit too short.
Other than that, all this seems stupid. Bastion is borderline useless in protect modes if he can't turret on moving objects. Increasing Reinhart sheild recharge would make him broken as fuck. Not to mention if you left those you said are fine as is, the buffs you propose (specifically the horseshit you want for D. Va) would decimate heroes like Pharra and 76.
I'm not saying there aren't balance issues, but these are not solutions. They just cause more problems.
>>337039649
I ran into a team if assholes who did 2 torbs and 2 bastions and a widow and a Lucio, they were basically unkillable.
McCree is perfect, get good against him, his stuns last only a seconds literally and take a 10 sec cooldown, his roll also take a 10 sec cooldown. If anyone it's roadhog with his shitty hooks and heal cooldown.
>>337039615
I hate to agree but I will, currently she is pretty bad and is outclassed by hanzo other than her ult is god tier.
>>337039402
I don't know what to tell you if you're dying to snipers, anon. You have a shield for a reason and even with "crap damage" you can easily kill Hanzo, Widow, Mercy, etc before your jump recharges.
>>337037507
>Zenyatta
>fine as is
For the most part yeah, but he desperately needs a health boost so he's not killed by a bodyshot from Widow/Hanzo and a mobility boost. He's one of the slowest characters in the game.
>>337037861
her beard looks lika an ass
it can't be unseen
>>337039575
Your using her wrong. Half the time I encounter people who dont know her side arm exists and abandon their teammates just because mcree snuck behind enemy lines.
>>337038561
>instagibbing
Bastion takes several shots with a sniper rifle to kill. Long enough for him to turn around and wreck the sniper. I've been on both the receiving and giving end of this. It's not very effective. After you kill widowmaker you just heal back up to full without ever leaving point.
Flanking characters at point blank range work better against Bastion, that or splash damage from indirect fire from junkrat or pharah.
>>337037507
>Pharah
make the ult cancelable somehow
>>337039825
I legit thought it was sfm porn of tracers ass before I clicked the webm and it expanded
>>337037507
>NERFS
All horrible. Mei could maaaaaybe use a longer cooldown on the wall, but that's really it. Bastion could use less health perhaps, but it's also not really important.
>BUFFS
Also unneeded, Tracer can already kill almost anyone with her sticky, D.Va is already good enough, and as a Zarya player, I would welcome a shield time increase, but I don't think it's needed after playing so much.
Winston, on the other hand, needs more damage added to either his Ult, or to his main weapon.
>>337037507
I want a QoL for Symmetra that tells me how many shields are up on my teammates.
>>337039242
he's a tank because he has a lot of HP, is hueg liek xbox, and is supposed to harass squishies, thus drawing fire.
>>337039792
Her hook is really useful if you're smart about it in close quarters, but trying to stay scoped and cover your team isn't all that helpful if you're trying to kill many enemies
>>337039762
Literally one half-decent Pharah was all you needed. Lucio's heal isn't strong enough to prevent Pharah from winning that fight unlee he pops the CD, in which case you just fucking wait 3 seconds and then keep going.
Jesus Christ you people can't seriously bee this bad, right? Immobile targets are countered by slow strong projectiles, this is video game 101
>>337038364
The only change Symmetra needs is to not be labeled a Support character.
Symmetra can do WORK. The turrets are only the beginning.
>>337039762
If your team was communicating and working together you could've wrecked them
>>337039647
She heals less than Zenyatta now, her pistol is the worst weapon in the game, her heal range isn't as long as Zenyatta or Lucio.
So basically her only use is the 30% damage buff, even then it's preferable to have a Zenyatta. Also Lucio is a god. Symmetra may be situational but she's far more useful than a Mercy.
>>337037507
NERFS:
Mei
Bastion
Tracer
everyone else is FINE
>>337039869
>Bastion takes several shots with a sniper rifle to kill.
2. He takes 2.
>>337037507
>FINE AS IS:
>All support classes
Zenyatta could use a minor buff
>Hanzo
>Junkrat
>Pharah
>Soldier76
>Roadhog
>Widowmaker
>Winston
Sure
>NERFS:
>Bastion
>Prevent turret mode on moving objects to prevent Reinhardt payload combo
He's really not hard to beat but the payload shit is annoying. Give him a buff to compensate
>Genji
>Increase cool down time on reflect
Maybe on the dash too. Way too mobile and can kill at any range. No need to pick any other attack character. The only counter to Genji is Genji
>McCree
>Slightly increase Fan the Hammer spread OR add more recoil
Eh, he's fine after the first nerf
>Mei
>Add longer cooldown to icebox OR decrease slowdown from freeze gun
Sure
>Reinhardt
>Increase shield regen time
Might make him useless
>Torbjorn
>Add a longer initial build time to turrets
Not really a problem
>BUFFS:
>D. Va
>Decrease massive critical zone on mech
>Slightly increase movement speed while firing OR slightly decrease spread
Just one. Both might make her OP.
>Tracer
>Make ultimate have more damage OR more range
>Allow her to throw the ultimate a bit further
Just one, she can deal enough damage without the ult
>Zarya
>Increase shield time OR make it less noticeable until shot
Don't even know. No one plays her, so she could probably use a buff somewhere
>NEUTRAL:
>Reaper
>Decrease teleport time
>Add a damage ramp-up on his ult OR require aiming for higher damage output
Might make his ult useless
>>337038504
This. She should be considered a defense character rather than a support. If her shield qualifies her as being support then so is fucking Zarya and Torbjorn.
>OP forgets Symmetra even exists
My favorite character and criminally underrated.
>>337037507
They only need to nerf the top 3 champs. Your suggested nerfs are terrible.
HERE is the TIERLIST
>Bastion is almost shit tier
>>337037507
new game mode?
already bored of 6v6 attack defend
>>337039615
I've only ever not killed a full health tank with a headshot at 100% health.
She does not need a faster charge time.
>>337039792
> Hanzo outclasses Widowmaker
You're high. Go to bed.
>>337039906
kill her or hook her, shes a sitting target
>>337039869
>Bastion takes several shots with a sniper rifle to kill
You see that big blue glowy thing that scream I AM A WEAK SPOT SHOOT ME on the turret?
Shoot it and stop being a shitter.
>>337039913
I'd like to see his main wep buffed a bit so I can kill widows faster. Maybe increase dmg on single targets/decrease on multiple. His ukt is fine it's meant for throwing people around not killing
>Nerf bastion
>Buff tracer
Well that shows you are an idiot
>>337039649
Exactly, this is why Torb has always been bottom tier. His primary damage is his pistol. The turret needs to have faster attacks and knockback in order to be useful. As he stands, he's a walking armor thrower.
They need to add symmetrical maps. Like 5 CP in TF2 or a normal koth mode. The current koth sucks.
>>337039250
>let us buy the shit we want with ingame points from a point shop.
You actually get points from the loot crates sometimes and can buy things with them.
>>337040104
I mean when you play as Pharah.
Too many times I have died or wasted the ult on 3 people who died from the first 3-4 rockets
>>337039769
>Get good at countering a hero with a stun that takes 0 effort to aim and is an AoE and lasts long enough to allow McCree to fully fan his revolver to kill almost every class in the game before the stun wears off.
>>337040024
>Zarya ranking that high above Mei
>Zen at the bottom
Oh fuck off.
My biggest problem is roadhog.
Not only is he the tankiest tank that ever tanked, not only does he have an absurdly long stun, he can COMPLETELY FUCKING HEAL if you almost kill him.
If I can play as Reinhart and I can't kill him in less then 6 fucking swings then your character is too tanky. Simple as that.
You know what would be awesome, if they made it so getting a player commendation after a match gave you currency, even just like 1-2
This would make commendations actually do something as well as let you earn currency besides randomly getting it in boxes
But that'll never happen because it would hurt Blizzard's loot box sales
I haven't been following the development of this game too much, but I've played the beta a bit and the game is fun.
do you guys think it's worth $40 or is this going to be like Titanfall where the community is dead within a few months?
Have they announced plans for any new gametypes?
The only nerf Torbjorn needs is to not be able to place a sentry on the payload.
>>337039394
>>337039404
Except for the times where it does literally nothing. It's good for taking out a single enemy and groups on occasion, unlike everyone else's ult which can kill many people across a large range
>>337038985
about the only possible thing I'd look at changing on Hanzo is maybe his hitbox is too big, but I'm not even sure on that. I just seemed to have an easier time head shotting on Hanzo than I do on McRee or Widowmaker, despite Widowmaker having an ADS to help her place shots. Hanzo headshots just as well if not better without the zoom.
>>337040024
>winston that high
wow the fuck
isnt he like the shittest character
>>337040115
>His ukt is fine it's meant for throwing people around not killing
I know, but it seems like as it is he just tosses them off the point only to have them waltz back on and shoot him up. I saw one suggestion saying he could have an alternate fire in hi ult where he punches quickly for damage, so you have to choose between making space or killing.
I don't even play the guy, but he needs a little something, that's for sure.
nerf this op fuck
>>337039963
Literally all of these things are wrong so idk how to respond.
If you lock onto someone, your stream will keep going to them even when they get like double or triple your initial beam distance away, and you can stay on anyone with shift. Her heal blows zenyattas out of the water unless he's ulting and Lucio has to pop an E. Her pistol isn't great, but it's not bad either. It's like dvas but slower firing.
>>337040197
>fat chubby girl that get easily killed by a half-way competive team at range
>a slow walking widowmaker target, that has lucios e as an ultimate
How bad are you, bro?
>>337040320
Every ultimate can do literally nothing, your point?
>>337040260
The whole point of him is that he's dangerous at close range but absolutely worthless beyond that, and his head is fucking massive and easy to aim for
A sniper or even a Soldier or McCree can take care of him pretty easily if he doesn't catch them off guard, Reinhardt isn't good against him though
>>337039551
That's pretty agreeable, actually
>>337038462
player retention and overall player base numbers because I'm in Asia region where multiplayer games die if they're not Dota or LoL
Lacking in game modes
Balance is still questionable in regards to map, characters, and team composition
Needs more polish (destructable environments and items, can't shoot through leaves and twigs but can go through them? better menu and maybe UI? Better leveling system or rewards, improve chat UI)
Multiplayer issues such as server browsers, better matchmaking, improve on netcode just a bit maybe
Threat of going F2P near future with full jewish microtransactions and going to shit with balance once the novelty wears players out
>>337040290
>worth
You can wait a bit for retailers to get keys. It's usually cheaper to get blizz games form them.
>>337040197
>arguing with actual data
Anon, no, YOU are retarded.Zarya is TERRIFYING when played correctly, Mei is only useful for her Ult and punishing players who don't push together once people realize "Oh, they have a Mei, time to swap off flankers and go hard down the middle to punish them for their dead slot". Zenyatta needs buffs to his support (and nerfs to his personal damage), though.
>>337040405
If you had gone behind him, he would have been fucked.
>>337037961
>Take out Mei's RMB
Aiming her RMB is literally the only challenging thing about the character.
Maybe instead of removing it outright, give it a longer charge-up? That way it'll be harder/impossible to use against frozen people, and instead will rely upon trying to figure out which way the person will go when they thaw.
>>337040319
>The only nerf Torbjorn needs is to not be able to place a sentry on the payload.
What's the difference than putting it ANYWHERE else?
Git fucking gud scrub.
>>337037507
>Tracer
>Make ultimate have more damage OR more range
>Allow her to throw the ultimate a bit further
Are you literally retarded, OP?
>>337037507
Buffs
>Pharah
Allow her to cancel her ult by pressing Q
>Torbjorn
Turret feels weak, up the damage, the fire rate, or make it track targets better.
>Mercy
Currently outclassed by Lucio, buff her single target heal or self heal somehow.
>Junkrat
Make total mayhem spread grenades over a larger area upon death, I didn't even realize he had this ability until several hours into the game due to how pathetic the area of effect is. Make his ult animation faster, he's already a sitting duck while he's controlling the wheel thing anyway.
>Zarya
Increase duration of shield (at least on allies). Give better indication of when laser is making contact with an enemy. Possible damage increase.
Nerfs
>Lucio
Nerf his self heal
>McCree
Make his flashbang travel slower
>Mei
Longer cooldown to icebox or some kind of delay between casting and invunerability effect
>Genji
Shorten dash range
Fine as is/haven't bothered to learn them:
Everyone else (Bastion isn't that great, D.Va doesn't suck, git gud)
>>337040320
Then stick them you stupid shit.
>WAaah I can't fucking stick an easy to use bomb so I need blizzard to hold my hand on an easy thing.
Shut the fuck up.
>>337040405
why did you TP directly in front of him?
>>337040368
A lot of comp teams play him as a sniper/support hunter, who goes all out with his ult.
Winston needs buffs.
I don't care how. Give him more health or increase the damage from his gun.
>>337040110
>>337040003
I've never been 2 shot by widow as Bastion in Turret mode. It's always taken at least 4 shots.. if they get that many off.
>>337040474
>If you had gone behind him, you would've gotten one shot off and then been killed by Bastion's superior DPS
>>337039913
>Also unneeded, Tracer can already kill almost anyone with her sticky
Bullshit. It doesn't ever kill tanks. Never tried on bastion, so not sure about him.
>>337040664
I can assure you I've done it with two, and I am a terrible widowmaker. Full charge, aim for the head.
Bastion's turret damage needs to be reduced or having his recoil be much more hard to manage. People in this thread are going to say "NO HES ACTUALLY FINE IT DOESNT MATTER HE DIES REALLY EASY" and the issue isn't that he dies really easy, it's that he kills your entire team before he dies. Bad players excel with him, and good players are unstoppable with him. Combined with a pocket mercy he's the strongest character in the game.
Symmetra is pretty good but she needs some love. She's the only character who's effectiveness can be negated by ignoring her. I think in general her teleporter should be a buildable that's always available to her, and her ult should be something else entirely, maybe something that lets her machine gun her fully charged right click. Her left click needs more range or more damage, and less "spin up".
Reinhardt is one of the dumbest characters in the game. There's no reason that his melee should knock you around, other than lol aesthetic reasons. He needs to have less health as well, his shield needs to have a longer recharge, and his ult needs to have less range. Dying to a Reinhardt is frustrating as hell, because every single time you die to a Reinhardt it's at the hands of a terrible HUEHUE or ching chong who's doing nothing but W+M1 while waving his mouse around wildly. Zero skill required to play that character.
Zenyatta needs a flat health increase. He has zero mobility and right now a fully charged bodyshot from HONHONHONBAGUETTE will one shot him.
Soldier 76 needs a damage reduction. CoDbabby's need to leave.
Mei's E needs a longer cooldown.
Tracer's rewind should be her ult, and her pulse bomb be her E. Give the ult less charge so you can use it more often, and the pulse bomb less damage and range to compensate. Another retarded character, punctuated by being super good and waifu bait.
Winston needs, something. idk how to fix him. Also needs a gorrilion dollars skin, and a gorrila warfare skin.
>>337037861
My motherfucking sides, holyshit.
>>337040320
Dude, I've gotten multiple potgs with that shit by getting at least triple kills. Get good, faggo.
>>337040638
dude he is the 3rd highest character in competitive teams. He is literally OP!
He needs a nerf.
>>337040620
>That variety
>Literally only 1 hero that changes sometimes
Blizz balance at its best
>widowmaker
>hanzo
>fine
the amount of damage bodyshots do right now is retarded. It makes mediocre snipers great and amazing snipers basically unstoppable.
>>337040405
>teleports directly in front of a six barrel rotary machine gun
FINE AS IS:
>All support classes
This is the exact point I stopped reading and knew you were from reddit you cuck.
>>337040727
I've seen it wipe out 4 people, git gud
>>337037507
why is zayra so average
why do the shields last literally 1 second with a 8 second cooldown
Bastion currently needs his shield back. As it stands he's the worst character in the game and has been for the longest time. More than half the characters are hard counters to him including all DPS characters, all tank characters and even most supports.
Torbjorns turret doesn't really have a use on the battlefield other than to confirm kills that your pub team is too dumb to kill. His pistol is far more effective in the battlefield than his primary skill.
Pre-patch Roadhog use to be able to pull Reinhardt if they hit the middle of his shield. Bring that back, as it stands Reinhardt is the best tank in the game.
McCree can currently dish out over 600 damage from just right clicking and he has an invincibility frame dash to boot if you see him. He's scary as hell and does more damage than any other character in the game. Think of it this way, he's a mobile bastion turret with his pistol.
Lucio outperforms every single support in the game. He outheals everyone, he gives game changing speedboosts, his right click is extremely deadly depending on the map. He is just way too good.
Symmetra needs her 50 shield back
Roadhog needs the bug where you can melee and shoot at the same time binding them together to be removed. It's been there since launch and it's a quick instant kill for anyone who's not a tank. They also need to fix another bug on him where if you pull a character your gun will shoot to the lower right instead of where you're pointing.
Mercy as it stands is outhealed by Zenyatta & Lucio and is only better than Symmetra if you're on the attackers side. I mean, if you're going to buff Zenyattas heal to do 60 just like her then atleast I dunno, make her pistol useful or have her heal 70-80. Cause as it stands, she's worthless and trash. A Zenyatta headshot with his balls do 180 damage, so her 30% damage increase on 1 character is far less useful than a guy who can heal just as much as Mercy and do massive amounts of damage.
>>337040024
Shit list, Roadhog is one of the best tanks because he counters so many people and the junkrat should be S tier because of all of his utility. McCree isn't nearly that high because he dies in two shots and has no way to counteract that.
>>337040019
People have been using her a lot lately. Holy shit, fuck her.
>Weapon can kill tanks fast as fuck
>laser sentrys are strong as fuck and hard to kill because of their locations
Seriously. She's underrated as fuck. I am going to try her out myself later.
>>337040480
The downside of playing Torbjorn is that you have to set up a choke point and stand still, but you're very dangerous in that area.
Having him be able to place the sentry on a literal moving train guiding it all the way to the end of the map takes that downside away
Maybe they could have him be able to move his sentry like TF2 engineer and rebuild it at level 2 somewhere else to compensante
>>337037507
how do I deal with Mei?
>>337040754
Have you ever thought that this team related game, that teamwork beats bastion? You even admit with a pocket mercy he is strong, but it doesn't work in reverse? No combination of characters can quickly deal with a bastion?
How would you handle this?
Is Lucio the easiest support character to play as? You literally don't have to do anything involved with his heal except AMP IT UP when necessary and maybe popping his ult when fighting for an objective.
I mean I like him design wise since he's basically a JSR character but he's so easy to play.
symmetra needs alot of buffs, i feel like shes the weakest one but can be strong if maybe she could sheild her turrets
>>337040906
Post on the Blizz forums every day until they nerf her.
>>337040894
The deathballs can also go through Reinhardt's shield
>>337037507
This shit is retarded
Only changes I would like to see is more range on Tracers ultimate but with blink it's not that big a deal
I'd also like to see Symmetras portal have more survivability. It's an ultimate but can be 1 shot.
Neither of these are game breaking by any means though. Balance is pretty solid right now.
If you're dying to Bastion you're a straight up baddie
>>337040906
>Mei will never sit on your face
why even live?
>no one ever uses Roadhogs ultimate, no idea why
>start using Roadhog, try his ultimate that fucknig recoil
Holy shit. Why is it so bad.
>>337040754
What's strong about Bastion is not turret mude but Tank mode, there are many easy ways to kill a turret bastion
>>337040902
Every character has their downsides and upsides. Just so happens payload is his upside.
>>337040496
>turrets feel weak,up the damage.
The only way If be ok with this is if the lock on time was longer and the range was decreased
>>337040503
A stick can't kill tanks. It can one shot everyone else, but at that point you might as well shoot them. Using it on a group often doesn't do much to nearby enemies
>>337040959
Seek high ground and shoot down or pick Pharah.
>>337040906
Play pyro.
>>337040689
>being this retarded
>not knowing he has a blue crit orb on his ass that allows you to wreck him easily in two shots.
>>337040959
One bastion would be enough to vaporize all their shields because he's balanced.
ok let's just go through this from left to right
genji is fine
mccree needs to not be able to reload while rolling
phara's ult shold last less time, but her charge up time should be reduced to compensate
reapers ult should last less time, but he should be immune to crows control effects
soldier 76's ult seems really dumb but I don't know what to do about it
tracer is fine
bastion should just be fucking removed from the game; this character is cancer and either should be nerfed into uselessness or given a complete overhaul because he's strictly for stomping bads and nothing else
hanzo's arrows should curve if he's moving while firing
junk rat's regular grenades should do more damage and have more range, but his ult should not be able to climb over walls and shit
mei is fine
dorf is fine
widow should either do less body shot damage or have like 50% longer charge up time
dva needs to have much higher accuracy, and I think her ult should have less range but explode faster
reinhardt needs to have a slight increase to the delay on his shield recharge
road hog is fine
winston's shields should have more health
zarya's shields should either last longer or have a shorter cd
lucio is weird, I was thinking about replacing his heal with a damage boost (5-10%) so that he's strictly for offense other than his ult but idk
mercy and symmetra are fine
zenyatta's ult is just all wrong but idk what to change it to
>>337040959
Mei and Symmetra
So am I crazy or do none of the guns in this game have any sort of recoil, aside from Roadhog's Ult?
I thought something was fucky last night when I was messing around on the practice range and realized it.
>>337040906
zarya shield not only removes stacked freeze on you but you can also do this for your teammates and even if she freezes you she can't combo you at 400 health.
>Encounter bastion hole up in a choke point.
>Try to hook him with Piggu
>He's too far away
>Try to switch to a sniper and pop him
>I get one shot off and he guns me down.
>grab Shieldu Robo
>Shield broken in seconds.
Unless you've got an ult to burn, you may as well just AFK if the enemy team has a good bastion
>>337040823
Were they tanks? No. They fucking weren't.
>>337038201
>Genji
>Increase cool down time on reflect
Genji is pretty fucking squishy and the reflect is only useful to save your ass or for idiot Bastion players
>Reinhardt
>Increase shield regen time
I don't see why this is an issue. He already has a delay before the regen starts and would make him useless
>>337040803
>having trouble with Hanzo's
>>337040959
Fuck that made me giggle, it did.
>>337037507
>Nerfing Bastion
>Nerfing Genji
>BUFFING TRACER
I'm so glad you don't work for Blizzard, or any video game company.
>>337040874
Its literally what "competitive" teams pick (see %). Are you implying they are shitters?
>>337041056
then fucking stick and shoot him. Jesus christ, if Tracer is too hard for you maybe you should play Hello Kitty Island.
How many of you are actually going to buy this game?
>>337040943
No combination of teamwork easilly deals with bastion, and at certain map locations he is unstoppable. Like I said if the bastion is good he is unstoppable because he will change his position often and be hard to anticipate, and when you peak a bastion you just die. His damage output is insane considering his mobility.
His ult also charges really fast compared to some others, in addition to being super good as well.
>>337040831
Zarya is currently better than Roadhog.
>>337041146
Switch to zenyatta, discord orb destroys bastion. You can also charge up the right click and pop out and kill him in almost one volley.
>>337041162
the characters themselves aren't hard to kill, but a fully-charged bodyshot will kill some characters and can basically take off 5/6 of most chars health.
That's some bullshit considering how fast your fire.
>>337041292
I am.
>>337038504
her teleporter, her turrets that slow and her infinite range alt fire (even though the travel speed is slow) also the fact that she gives her team an extra 25 recoverable hp.
She's a support, but not in the vain of Mercy in which she can just be slapped on any team comp and call it a day.
I think a lot of rage about Bastion frankly comes from people that are tired of teammates constantly running into one and dying horribly in pub matches.
Yes he can be outplayed with teamwork, but you don't get teamwork in 90% of pub matches. You get vaguely directed chaos that occasionally manages to work itself out.
>>337037507
>ok heros
>Widowmaker, the best hero in the game with no weakness
>Junkrat
>one of the top 3 best heros in the game with no real weakness
>lets neft Genji, Reinhardt, and Tobjorn three of the most balanced heroes in the game
>lets nerf Mei and Bastion two retard/new player stomper heroes that aren't actually all that good
this list is shit
the heroes listed for buffs don't need them either
Heroes that actually need to be nerfed
>Widowmaker
>McCree
Heroes that need to be buffed
>Zenyatta
>Symetra
thats it
everything else is fine for now
>>337040959
Duh pharah. Dispense justice from above.
>>337041396
>I think a lot of rage about Bastion frankly comes from people that are tired of teammates constantly running into one and dying horribly in pub matches.
You just described 90% of the complaints on /v/. /v/ are the pubfaggots.
>>337040739
If you're talking about the blue cube that glows, that's BEHIND him.
I guess, but if you're going to do that, any flanking character works, and probably better. I usually do it with Tracer because of her high mobility and ability to bail in the event that he turns around.
>>337041146
You are not playing angry japanese man.
> Flank with your stupid mobility
> Throw some surikans to piss him off
> Watch as he eats his own bullets to death
>>337041204
>McCree so high
How do I get good with MCcree?
>Winston that high
wut?
>>337041080
>mccree needs to not be able to reload while rolling
Why not instead just put a cooldown on Senpai the Hammer?
>>337041437
>Widowmaker
>no weakness
If you get close to her she's kinda boned
>>337041478
with that many shields pharah isn't a good counterpick. Ironically I actually ran into an all-reinhardt meme team. Literally 2 bastions took out all their shields.
Neither Bastion or Torb should be able to put turrets on the payload
There's nothing more bullshit than MOLTEN CORRRRE right before the final point on payload
>>337040852
I forgot to mention, McCree is the only true hard counter to Reinhardt currently. He can literally walk up to you, stun grenade and right click. Bam you're dead and there's nothing you can do about it. If Reinhardt tries to dash you, you have a dash yourself fully invincible from getting hit.
>>337037507
>fine as is:
>widowmaker
I take it you can't aim for shit, right?
Because I can aim and widowmaker is not okay. Semi auto sniper rifle with so many bullet, so much damage on such a quickly charged shot and a mothafuckingwallhack is not okay.
>>337040959
1 mei, 3 symmetras, a junkrat and a lucio. Just put the turrets up high where reindhardt can't hit them and keep mei on them to harrass. Lucio keeps everyone healed and junkrat dishes out the raw damage where the turrets can't.
Widowmaker is easily the best hero in the game with the best ultimate that also charges super fast and has no counter except for another Widowmaker. Also she can fire really fast for some reason, has amazing mobility, and has a quick charge time for her shots that may as well not even be there.
>>337039082
Genji really is fine.
Yeah, he can't really do anything to tanks, but that's how he's built. Most characters are pretty fragile in which a Left click, right click and blade dash can easily handle.
>>337041573
>Senpai the Hammer
>>337041204
I'm not going to trust a bunch of hackers to make a tier list.
>>337041595
>if you get close to her she is kinda boned
beyond false
just look at the DPS on her default left click
its a 30 round mag with 10 rounds per second and each round dealing 13 damage with no falloff
she has a lower TTK at close range than most assassin type characters do
>>337041204
That's an outdated list anon. This is pre-Zenyatta buff. Now he's more useful than Mercy.
>>337041631
Get close and murder her. It's not hard
>>337037507
>Roadhog
>fine as is
His pull needs a nerf because it can do an instant kill to half the heroes when paired with a follow-up attack that has literally zero delay and can't be escaped from.
>>337041595
No she's not. Her assault rifle has an absolutely amazing dps at close range. When you combine it with a poison trap you can destroy any genji or tracer or whatever little faggot tries to come for ya.
>>337041534
>Stun
>Fan the hammer
Congrats, you now have the power to kill almost every hero in the game and they can't fight back.
>>337041351
>>337041492
>Unless you are using 1 of 2 heroes you simply auto lose.
Not really an acceptable answer.
>>337041739
>get close
>to widowmaker
do you fucking understand what you're saying?
>>337040772
>blink into a point and plant a charge on an enemy bastion right next to a mercy and a reinhardt shielding him
>all 3 die as I blink around a corner then take out a weakened pharah
>allows us to capture the point
>PotG is Mercy ressing one character, and not even resulting in a kill
I don't understand how PotG is decided sometimes.
>PotG
>it's Bastion in Turret mode killing 1 (one) person who was visible due to Widowmaker's ult before he came around the corner
If Bastion ever gets nerfed (which he doesn't need to be), the only nerfs he should receive is either fall off damage on his turret mode OR a rev up time.
Any other nerfs would make him shit tier
>>337041695
>implying you're ever hitting all your full auto shots
>>337038287
>nerf Zenyatta
nigga he needs like a +25 bump to health because he gets absolutely shredded by a slight breeze
>>337040780
Oh yeah, he's so OP with his shitty health, useless bubble shield, pathetic ult, and gun that fucking tickles people. He is by far the most useless character.
>>337041745
He gets one comboed by a good McCreew with a rightclick-shift-E-Rightclick
>>337041843
There are more than two tiers, Anon
>>337041815
15 of the 21 characters are hard counters to Bastion.
>>337041815
>if you don't switch heroes in a game designed around switching heroes you lose
Its a perfectly acceptable answer.
Who is the best character and why is it Widowmaker?
Discuss
>>337041905
What does that have to do with his pull being overpowered?
>>337041826
>Be D. Va
>Engage boosters and defense matrix and fly directly at her face
>Knock her back to disorient
>Obliterate with cannons
EZ even if my face is a giant crit zone
Mercy needs to charge her ult slower. If allies are constantly damaged she gets it in about 30 seconds while healing them all
>>337041739
>I play against shit widows
No. First off "getting close" is not thing. You don't just "get close". This is a fucking sniper. You die before you get close. Especially when he had a semi auto fast charged sniper rifle with a WALLHACK so you can't really flank her.
Even if you do she still has her assault rifle which actually deals a lot of damage if you can fucking aim. And she has an escape too.
>>337041874
No he doesn't, he's high tier currently.
>Zenyatta
>Fine
He needs some fucking buffs pronto
What is this symbol?
>>337041815
The game is entirely based around counter picking, you are a fucking idiot. And it's not 1-2 heroes, loads can deal with him.
Widowmaker
Junkrat
Tracer
Reaper
Pharra
Roadhog
>>337041739
see
>>337041695
every hero that would be a threat to her in close range actually loses to her in close range
200 HP coulped with the ability to deal 200+ damage in 1.6 seconds is to much for most squishy, mobile, high damage characters to deal with
>>337041867
the spread is actually very low
I can probably maintain about a 80% to 90% accuracy vs. genjis that try to get in on me. Tracer might be a bit of an issue but the 150 health means that its ok to miss a few more and you still come out on top almost every fight
she is the best hero in the game
there is a reason that in the meme "competitive" games they always have a minimum of 2 of her on defense and 1 on offence just to counter the ones on defense
>>337040320
It's suppose to be an easy and safe way of killing their Mercy, Reinhardt/Bastion double trouble, or whatever.
>you blink three times
>press Q
>press E
now your team can easily push ahead or defend.
>>337041978
Shes the main healer. Deal with it.
>>337041826
>not shoving the big long simian dong up widow's mouth
>>337041880
The problem is you are playing him as a front line tank when he is really an assassin. Jump on top of anyone that is not a bastion or tank and watch as they can do nothing against you. He is literally the hardest counter to widow maker because he can jump up to any of her spots and takes like 4 full charged shots to kill without counting his shield.
>Roadhog
>Fine as is
Pick one
>>337039404
actually Zarya's shield can stop Tracer's Ult.
>>337041292
already preordered it
>>337042076
>>337041976
>having to sacrifice a tank just to get rid of a sniper
wew sure showed them
the objectives weren't important anyway
>>337041745
>His pull needs a nerf
No it doesnt
> it can do an instant kill to half the heroes when paired with a follow-up attack
That's intended
>as literally zero delay
That's a lie, especially with Blizzard awful netcode
>can't be escaped from
Maybe don't sit out in the open like a retard?
>>337042028
Connection problem
Don't want to start a new thread, so I'm asking here.
If you aren't buying Overwatch, how much would you pay? It's $20 max for me. I feel like the game itself costs 20 bucks and all the cosmetic shit another 20 bucks.
Post best tactics for your main.
>Junkrat
If they are far away try work off the bloodlust and draw then too you. Set trap. Kill. Repeat.
The mine doubles as a displacing grenade of sorts. Works well for crowd clearing.
Learn to use the mine and trap in unconventional ways.
>>337041880
he counters any squishy heroes in the backline, he just jumps straight in and kills them
widowmaker, zenyatta, mercy.
>>337042027
Yeah, healing more than Mercy, one of the fastest ult charges in the game, debuff enemies to do double damage when your headshots (massive non-hit scan balls btw) do 180 damage, so if you debuff a non-tank they're instantly dead. He's the 2nd best support in the game.
