TF2: Promode
Overwatch: Slowmode
TF2 is dead though
>>337036367
/thread
>TF2
is this 2008
>Valve shills are THIS desperate about Overwatch killing off what little relevance TF2 has left
baka desu senpai
>TF2
I could be playing Quake Live: The Game.
>>337036367
>>337036863
not an argument
>>337035139
They are both casual trash, delusional child.
aww man I should make a cpm/reflex webm
>>337036961
I don't think anyone here ever wanted to discuss anything, starting with OP.
>>337036367
>Le tf2isdead meme
anyone want to join my iron hl team?
>>337036995
Name a game that isn't.
>>337037225
>join tf2 server
>kicked for not being friendly
>join tf2 server
>lenny and shrek memes
>join tf2 server
>brbr's with 700 ping everywhere
>join tf2 server
>kicked for trying to complete the objecytive
pick your poison, the game has more players than its ever had, but its dead.
>>337037103
/thread
fuck this shit
Please keep playing tf2, we can't lose hat revenuye
-t. Valve
What do you even know about going fast
>>337036367
At any given time there is about 60,000 people playing which can go up to 90,000. You can find a match on any day at any time
I'd say a game is dead when you find it hard to find matches
>>337035139
Being arbitrarily more complex does not making something better.
>>337037443
Counter-Strike
Quake Live
>>337037480
>more people means the game is dead
That just makes the game cancerous, not dead.
>>337037691
>arbitrary
But it's not, you can do more with rocket jumping in tf2 and travel far further and faster per given distance because of it.
I wish I had friends so I could have actual fun with team based games.
autistically jumping around maps isn't much fun
>>337037691
no, but having more movement options do.
>>337037691
>limited mobility options is better game design
get fucked modern game design
>>337035139
rockets in overwatch do actual damage
>>337037480
>kicked for trying to complete the objective
THIS SHIT IRKS ME
>>337037480
it actually doesn't
2012 has the most TF2 players at a peak recorded
>>337037721
>Counter-Strike
>Queke """""""""""""""""LIVE""""""""""""""""""
>>337038002
if you get direct hits, the splash damage they do is pretty pitiful unless it's within inches of the target. it's more akin to the direct hit which does a shit ton of damage than the stock.
>>337038071
They both take about 1000% more skill than either TF2 or OW.
>>337038002
Which means you can rocket jump less and makes her boring. Unless you mean against others, which is just a retarded opinion. Soldier has tons of damage, difference being that fights aren't determined in 5 seconds in TF2 and you actually have to aim.
>making rocket jumping simpler is a bad thing
also tf2 has been shit since 2011
>>337038279
But Scout IS tf2's quake insert. How are you going to say Quake takes more skill when it's a 1/6th of the game?
>le high execution rocket jumping meme
you people have serious autism if you think that's impressive.
>>337038279
How about no, anon.
Just because a game has different type of skill requirement altogether doesn't mean that game Y is more hardcore than game X.
You want a comparison?
Starcraft 2 with Mobas.
Tell me which is more HARDCOOORE XDD i dare you.
Welcome to /v/alvedrones.
Enjoy your stay.
>>337035139
Input shouldn't be complex for the sake of being complex.
>>337038345
it is when you completely nerf what can be done with rocket jumping, the point of rocket jumping is to go sanic fast. the overwatch "rocket jump" in that gif was painfully slow compared to what can be done with solly.
>>337037721
>counter-strike
RNG casual garbage
>Quake Live
You understand TF2 is essentially QuakeWorld, right?
As somebody who doesn't play TF2, but have kind of followed it since its release, why do people keep saying that it died around 2010 to 2011?
What happened that around those years?
>>337038495
This. I don't want to have to jump through QPUs just to get to a star I can wall junp towards.
is rocket jumping considered pro gameplay now or something?
Any idiot can rocket jump and any idiot that takes 5 minutes to practice can pogo
>>337038536
The soldier isn't even suppose to be that mobile in the first place, gunboats were a huge mistake.
>>337038302
sure bro
look at tf2's solider
now look at any quake game / reflex/ unreal
notiec anything?
>>337038592
it went free to play
>>337038442
Is that a joke? Any RTS is a million times more complex than dotashit.
>>337038592
People think cosmetics killed the game. The art style of the game changed and that somehow makes the game worse.
I know, it's autistic as fuck.
>>337038495
anything can be made to look complex when you break it down like in op's image , what he did just boils down to shoot rocket at your feet at an angle to make yourself fly further.
>>337035139
Hey OP, how about you play TF2, and let people play Overwatch, yeah?
>>337038681
tf2 players are mad they are no longer the casual game of choice and are pretending basic arena shoot er movement constitutes skill
Lets see op do that during a real game while being useful
>>337038835
>playing a game when you master each character in 10 minutes
>>337038592
mannconomy brought in casual shitters and valve spends more money making cosmetics than they do balancing the game and making new content
>>337037581
>only f2p vidya I bought because I thought it's gonna be big and wanted to get ahead
>hirez kills the game
>>337038495
It's actually really simple but the game physics gives you a lot of liberty to play with
OW is the opposite in giving you many more abilities but restricting your uses to very simple things
Look at widowmaker, they could have made her interesting by having a real grappling hook that you can land anywhere on the map and use to sling around and it would take actually skill to reach places, instead you get a lousy "Press shift to get up here" button with a 15s CD
>>337038681
soldiers move like that with shotguns too, they're just limited to about 3 maybe 4 jumps and need to know to land without taking fall damage and where the nearest health pack is gonna be. pyro wasn't intended to have an airblast at first, but they added it and it made the game more interesting just like the gunboats.
>>337038912
>4 map packs in the last 9 months with missions
>comp mm actively being worked on
how about you actually play the game
>>337038592
tf2 went free 2 play in 2011. Needless to say ctf (my favorite game mode) became 24/7 team death match. The huge influx of shitty weapons also broke game balance. (an example is gunboats which allows soldier to be extremely mobile at the cost of very little hp) or charge n targe (completely changes role of demo to a stupid melee class and makes pyro useless against him because of the fire resistence) there are more examples but tf2 is just a garbage. It had its time but we should all just let it die now.
>>337035139
then whats TFC you casual TF2 faggot?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B_qqFQF2p4M
you tf2 faggots are as bad as dota2 faggots with your MUH MOBA SO HARD
So I think we all can agree that TF2 is old hat by now, but if valve made TF3, what should they change, remove and add to make it better that couldn't just be patched into TF2?
>>337038681
compare that to overwatch
rocket jumping is a button with a cooldown
>>337038989
was meant for
>>337038687
>>337039079
You understand the Demoman can pretty much conc now, right?
>>337035139
>implying most soldiers dont just use a macro.
not defending overwatch or anything just sayin.
>>337039079You're doing the same exact thing you parody
>>337039339
This. Air pogos are pretty much the same thing, only difference you can manually detonate your stickies instead of timing conc grenades.
>>337039058
>which allows soldier to be extremely mobile at the cost of very little hp
And he loses his shotgun.
> a stupid melee class and makes pyro useless against him
Any competent pyro can deal with a demoknight by airblasting properly
You're just mad because you're bad.
>>337035139
>>337039172
But you can jump with Pharah's rockets as well.
>>337039339
yeah because blowing up a sticky at will and timing a conc are the same.
>>337035139
>When you were born just right to enjoy TEEK but also see it die in your arms
I fucking miss TEEK and listening cool music with those weebs.
>>337039637
It's not even comparable. All you can do is go up, because your velocity in Overwatch is hard capped and you lose momentum back down to walk speed very quickly.
You can't do anything with it.
>>337039523
okay kiddie go play your shit game, because me and all the old tf2 players left it in the dumpster were it belongs
>>337039654
>I don't even play TF2 but I'll comment on it: The post
Just ctrl, shift + w please.
>>337039654
You're blowing up something in the air and you're flying via air explosion they're practically the same thing. Only difference is how it's executed, you're acting like learning the timing down for grenades is so difficult when it's just muscle memory.
>>337039847
>absolutely no retort after getting shit pushed in by >>337039523
hahahahahahahaha
>>337039637
but you can't move nearly as fast and are extremely limited by the cool downs
>>337039058
>an example is gunboats which allows soldier to be extremely mobile at the cost of very little hp
at the cost of his shotgun which most decent soldiers use effectively as a follow up to their rockets
>completely changes role of demo to a stupid melee class and makes pyro useless against him because of the fire resistence
they can still carry a grenade launcher and valve removed the fire resistance from it.
lots of people who clearly dont play tf2 are always shitting up tf2 threads
>tfw when EVERYONE expected this game to be free2play and not fullprice
Yeah, fuck that
>>337039742
>he didn't play on the teek during its height around 2010/2011
I'm sorry anon
>>337039941
>>337039904
>>337039515
>there are faggots posting right now that actually believe TF2 takes more skill than TFC
WHAT A TIME TO BE ALIVE
>>337040256
Oh wow another TFC kiddy thinking his game is hard. Fuck off grenade spammer, QWTF was where it was at.
>>337040241
Nobody will resurrect it no? there is nothing we can do to bring it back? i really dont want to play in BR and Argentinian servers filled with shitty mic spam and shitty banter.
>>337040127
thank god for that
less kiddies and russians\brazilians to care about
>>337040256
see
>>337040375
Also, TFC dead you autistic faggot.
Overwatch is more fun and its main fan base doesn't consist of autistic bronies.
>>337040440
It has been resurrected, there is the teekquel. Look that up on steam groups and just join when there's an announcement I guess. The server is usually active on fridays.
>>337035139
Back during Quake 1 days, where TF originates, those that couldn't handle the other popular modes of DM, TDM, and CTF, went to casual TF because it was the easiest mode to "do good" but not have any real skill.
Keep in mind, that TF2 is a FAR more casualized game than compared to the original TF Quake mod.
Have a nice day, friend.
>>337040783
>fun
>easy
pick one
>>337040806
Oh shit anon thanks
>>337038495
It's not complex in itself. You can choose to learn "complexities" in order to get a leg up on your opponents, though.
>>337040863
You're welcome friend.
>>337040816
>Keep in mind, that TF2 is a FAR more casualized game than compared to the original TF Quake mod.
You understand the only difference between QWTF and TF2 is you can bunny hop? TF2 is mechanically much more deeper per class.
>>337040783
Overwatch fan base consists of mentally challenged waifufags.
>>337040783
Overwatch is a braindead game. It's so simple that even a 5 year old could pick it up. Got bored of it after playing for a few hours.
>>337037581
shazbot ;-;
i quit tf2 after a year of release because crits. which retard at valve thought random crits were a good thing
>>337041075
I don't care for waifus and I still enjoyed it. I also have an IQ of 175 (Mensa certified) so there goes your argument.
>>337039821
>>337040027
>Game lets you go faster due to shitty glitch in engine.
>Something dealt with in every serious valve entry ever made [See CS:GO]
>Oversight =/= mechanic
>One extra Mechanic = less casual.
>>337041256
>playing pubs
>>337041284
So strafe jumping in Quake isn't a mechanic?
Pretty sure if valve wanted to they could remove it. However, it's a mechanic that is integral to the game now.
Post = destroyed. Next.
>>337041256
Servers these days have votes to turn them off
>>337041284
>shitty glitch in engine
>implying it isn't an intended mechanic for momentum and movement
Source is based off goldsrc which is based off of quake. Going fast is completely intended.
>>337041284
what the fuck are you on about, if valve didn't want it in the game they wouldn't have added the rocket jumper and the gunboats that work around it. you're literally grasping at straws here.
>>337041284
Dude, building towers in cs and shooting people up to get to points of maps that are impossible otherwise have been a thing from the very start and are tolertared
>>337041258
>I also have an IQ of 175 (Mensa certified) so there goes your argument.
Thank you for confirming my assumption about your mental condition.
>>337038495
Not for basic functions no. Basic functions should be simple, responsive, and controllable so anyone can play the game normally. Advanced techniques however should range from semi-easy to practice for an entire weekend and still can't do it hard-as-balls.
>>337041801
The only mental condition I have is that I have to suffer through all the nonsense lesser minds are capable of fabricating.
>>337041284
>>One extra Mechanic = less casual.
This is actually true. Flappy bird only has one mechanic: stop falling and go up when you press the button.
it is hard, but casual as fuck. Add in directional control and you've got something that is less casual because there are more things to control yourself.
>>337042176
That's exactly what autists do.
>>337041284
Game designers are less than vermin. Their opinions hold no value, for their job is done better by an actual, honest to God, literal accident.
>>337042176
If you were so smart you wouldn't be here.
>>337042378
How is that laughable anon? You're laughing but I know you're crying on the inside
TF2: not high noon
Overwatch: high noon
>>337042378
To suffer because of people like you? You shouldn't be proud of that. I'm a supercomputer and you're a Pentium II. You're outdated; you should make way for the next generation of humans.
>>337041284
Soldier, scout, and demo wouldn't even be able to function without air strafing. It's a core part of their gameplay.
>>337042460
/v/ is the only site where you can get honest opinions about vidya. Every other game site has an army of drones waiting to defend their favorite corporation without getting anything in return besides a thick veiny cock in their hairy fat arses.
>>337037724
It's alive on the outside but not on the inside. So yeah TF2 is dead.
Overwatch is just insanely boring for me. Movement is slow and has a pretty low skill ceiling. Every map has so many choke points that it plays out like a spamfest. Not to mention it plays more like a first person moba than an actual arena shooter where aim and individual player skill matters. I wish Valve would just make a Team Fortress 3 already that just learned from all the mistakes TF2 made. The game is nearly a decade old.
>>337035139
>Say air control 4 times in the first example
>Not air control in the second example.
Whatever point you had, you're a retard.
I like both TF2 and Overwatch and will continue to play both, though admittedly the reason I enjoy TF2 so much is because the vaccinator is borderline broken.
>>337038439
random crits doublejump no bunnyhop
>>337043636
>though admittedly the reason I enjoy TF2 so much is because the vaccinator is borderline broken.
No it really isn't. Vaccinator loses to stock medigun because you can't hold the flank without overheals.
>>337043636
That's not how you spell phlog pyros
How do they all compare to Tribes: Ascend?
>>337044009
Tribes still has players?
>>337041284
>20 tickrate
>>337044064
The subject isn't active player base, it's skill involved in movement.
>>337038812
It was the fact that went f2p and a new wave of idiots emerged on the scene.
The cosmetics were just the icing on the cake. You probably don't remember because you started playing TF2 a few months ago but people stopped mid match to do trades and not to mention a lot of fags were scamming unusuals back and forth.
How it's scamming related? When I got my buds and had low hours I'd get shit ton of requests to trade them, people would often focus on my retarded cosmetic than on the game itself.
>>337035139
But Overwatch is funner
>>337043879
Depends on how you use it, the way I use it is probably differently from most, it is first and foremost a medigun for pocketing, me and a friend have used it for years and both know how to play it to it's strengths and lower the weaknesses. Key is picking and choosing battles and eliminating the enemy quickly, try to always predict damage and pop a charge at the right time. I really hardly ever notice an issue with not being able to fully overheal, with a vaccinator you almost always have at least one charge. Multiple damage sources is definitely a weakness, but more manageable with popping multiple charges, though it does drain you more.
>>337038904
So you're mad because anyone can pick up the game and doesn't have unnecessary complex inputs you can brag about on an anonymous board?
ok
>>337035139
valve ruined tf2 for me, I can't go back to it now after experiencing the early years
>>337044263
One on one battles and even two on one it's a bitch to attempt to counter even with multiple damage sources, especially if my pocket is playing soldier. Most people aren't smart enough to switch to another damage source and even with that I can usually switch in a moment's notice.
>>337044321
Sounds like a melee thread
>>337044131
>Tribes:Ascend
>Skill
>>337044263
Pocketing implies you're trying to carry, that shit doesn't fly in serious games where everyone is coordinating, you can't 2v6 constantly and expect to win. Sure vaccinator is really good in pubs because you can just shutdown the 1 or 2 good players on the other team but in comp the enemy team isn't going to be a bunch of push overs. For example something a regular medi would do is buff scouts, and send them both down the flank. Your scouts get raped and then they start back capping. Vaccinator has no answer to that.
>Talking about "skill" in TF2
>When over 12K accounts were banned including "pro" players for hacking
LMAObox
>>337043383
Air control doesn't exist in Overwatch you dumb fuck. It's literally"move wherever you want"
>>337044803
>highlander
>competitivesniper mains are cancer
>>337044583
Well yes I never mentioned anything about a very serious game, I realize against really good coordination the weapon would falter, that's not what I use the vaccinator for though. Me and my friend like to dick around on pubs and for that the vaccinator fits the bill, I guess I should have specified in pubs and non competitive matches the vaccinator is incredibly strong, it's an amazing pocket weapon.
>>337044803
What do hackers have anything to do with video game mechanics?
>>337044139
>gameplay is bad becuase I don't know how to disable trading and I play on public servers
Right
>This game is better because you can do this speed thing that is rarely useful in an actual match
Okay.
>>337044902
Yeah I absolutely agree, it's fucking annoying in pubs because it's the ultimate counter to carrying. You can't do shit about it if your team isn't helping you.
>>337044924
Oh who knows, the ability to make rocket jumping easier as well as helping you follow the target.
>>337045070
>Rarely useful
What is rolling out?
Because running back to the fight in overwatch is soooo fun.
I think that the two are equal but it says some shit that a game that was made in 2008 still kind of stands up to one from 2016
>>337045070
>rollouts
>pogoing
>rarely useful
>>337045209
That's a good point, TF2 doesn't need that mobility, OW does.
>>337045076
Yeah it's absolutely ridiculous in pubs, I remember one game I racked up a 200+ kill assist streak in a game of doublecross. Besides exceptional coordination or dumb luck there's not much you can do about a good vaccinator pair, though besides myself I rarely ever see anyone use it and I've never seen anyone use it to the same level that me and my pocket do.
>>337045252
>Easy game
>Equal
Why are people pretending that tf2 is some ultra complex game and that every character is soldier in terms of mechanics?
>>337045064
> TF2 is dead!
> b-but it has 60K players!
ok
> those players are bad because of this
> don't play on pubs!
Thanks for confirming TF2 is dead.
>>337045535
Valvedrones believe that if they defend valve games this hard they'll eventually get Half Life 3.
Look it up, they even have a bible and call Gabe their lord.
I wish I was making this shit up.
>>337045535
No one is pretending TF2 is ultra complex, people are just saying OW is shallow
>>337045647
No retort, changes subject completely.
BTFO
T
F
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>>337038980
thats a really concise way to put it, props
>>337035139
Ye and? Pharahs way more fun to actually play
>>337035139
If Overwatch was released 3 or 4 years ago this thread would be topical.
can we all agree
overwatch is for console babies
TF2 is for the master race
>>337045840
You just literally said not to play on pubs though.
It contradicts the idea that TF2 isn't dead.
Which you just proved correct.
Are you retarded or something?
>>337046105
I can agree with the first part.
>>337036950
literally dead game
>>337046105
TF2 is for furfags, ponyfags and memespouters.
I can agree that much.
>>337045535
Its not, its all relative. OW is just that shit in comparison because the average players skill has dropped like a brick over the years and blizzard caters to these idiots.
>>337045795
The crux of every argument basically comes down to "you can rocket jump and bunny hop in tf2 so it's better." This completely ignores the fact that only 2 character really take advantage of those physics. The whole argument seems silly when you look at the full game. You can easily argue that medic is simpler than all of the OW supports or that someone like genji is more complex than scout.
>>337038495
The actions are simple, but the execution is what makes it complex.
>>337046439
Are you seriously implying that the average TF2 player is somehow skillfull?
>>337037375
6v6 is the only mode that matters
I like Overwatch better than TF2.
Come at me faggots.
>>337037103
Congratulations, you just summed up all of /v/.
>>337047139
I'm not a faggot
>>337047139
I think the same, but only because I played the ever-living fuck out of TF2.
>>337046569
>The crux of every argument basically comes down to "you can rocket jump and bunny hop in tf2 so it's better." This completely ignores the fact that only 2 character really take advantage of those physics.
and that's why those characters dominate 6s. you're also ignoring that a lot of thought has to go into how you move as a scout, comparable to tracer maybe buy scout only has his double jumps to get him out of danger while tracer has teleports that can get her away ridiculously fast and the E move which will literally give her her health back and make it so you cant hit her for a few moments.
The whole argument seems silly when you look at the full game. You can easily argue that medic is simpler than all of the OW supports or that someone like genji is more complex than scout.
but when you compare the medic to his counterpart in OW mercy you see a simplification of what the medic has to think about, sure he doesn't have her fly to a team mate but he has to think about how much uber he has and who he should heal based on how recently they took damage. mercy you just have to worry about whether to do the health or damage buff and when to use your ult. there's also the fact that you get penalized for dying as medic in tf2 while in OW outside of not being there to heal your team for a bit there is no huge downside like loosing however much uber you've built. and to the genji vs scout, like i said before the scout has to think about his movement because his doublejump is the the only saving grace he has and he has to get close enough to meat shot or he wont be doing much damage. a;; genji has to really worry about is when to press his counter and when to use his ult, he has the double jump but it lacks the mobility of scout meaning he cant get himself out of trouble with it.
>>337046742
No that's why overwatch is so popular its for people who were too shit to play tf2.
>>337036961
>complain about overwatch being a tf2 ripoff
>complain when overwatch has gameplay different from tf2
>>337036367
So is Jotaro.
![quake-team-fortress-qwtf-characters-team-1[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/A2SXC0w.jpg "quake-team-fortress-qwtf-characters-team-1[1].jpg")
>>337038560
>essentially QuakeWorld
>implying anyone here has played QWTF
>>337038687
>>337039058
>Complaining about Gunboats
Guess how I know you're bad
>>337038441
>missing the point like a retard to stroke epeen on 4chan
scout main here
ask me anything
>>337037683
I'd say the pub community is fucking dead when I go into it years out of practise and consistently manage to clear out servers single handedly by pubstomping everyone through constant team switches.
like i've been back to the game several times and it's just full of braindead morons now. no one actually focuses on being good at the game.
i ain't defending overwatch here at all, the community is typical moba trash. but tf2 is actually full of f2p tards even to this day. believe me, i wish it weren't so.
>>337046143
>I have never heard of dedicated community servers
How new are you to pc games.
I'd name several good active ones, but you need to learn how to figure this shit out without being spoonfed.
>>337049479
what skill level is your team?
>>337038071
>Queke
>>337049656
more than you can afford pal
>>337035139
Someone made this because they are utterly scared that a new game is going to steal part of their playerbase. Pretty sad desu.
>>337049028
Pretty sure he got the point, retard.
>>337046268
>memespouters
Every well populated multiplayer game has these now, why do you not know this?
For fucks sake why are you on /v/ if memespouting triggers you this much?
>>337035139
>showing TF2 after people have had nearly 10 years to learn more advanced maneuvers
>showing Overwatch after people have had nearly 4 days to learn basic mechanics
>comparing any at all without going back fully to Quake or UT if you want to show a high skill ceiling
>>337049936
The point is to shit on Overwatch with undeniable video evidence, need me to tell you how to not shit yourself too, champ?
>>337038495
>Input shouldn't be complex for the sake of being complex.
Except is actually very simple. Difficult to pull off, yeah but the mechanics are easy to understand. The big advantage in TF2 is that the Soldier can now do the exact same thing to reach another cap point or he can rocket jump directly up or whatever without any sort of wait all based on the same mechanic. In Overwatch, you have to wait for your cooldown that only ever moves you in a fixed trajectory.
>>337050358
Have you even played overwatch?movement like that just isn't possible, the best you'll get is what's shown in the gif and even that is convoluted compared to just using the ability and then hovering.
>>337049498
Personally, I like playing pubs simply because I get to walk all over people who are bad while also trash the two or three people who know how to play the game.
My only problem is that a lot of communities with decent regular players have died out, so if I want to play against people who aren't idiots I HAVE to play PUGs. PF2 is dead (and I hated their spawn timers), Star's server is never updated and/or dead, 99% of other communities are comprised of a single server (which is full or dead), and Skial is fucking garbage.
>>337050358
Also forgot to say people have had the game for months since the closed beta was a thing
>>337050940
>Closed Beta participators
>people
Are you really going to say anyone that makes money off playing games,sold their soul to Blizz for Overwatch, and gets $0.25 each time they shill count as people, let alone the overall playerbase?
>>337051112
I'm saying rocket jumping isn't rocket science and people haven't found anything like it in overwatch, it's just not possible with the movement limitations the game has, the only way you're gonna get skill based movement in that game is if they add a character specifically designed for it. And most of the people who got keys were faggots yes, but you also had people like ster who is a faggot but is really good at rocket jumping. He probably would have been on the lookout for something like that.
>>337050787
it's the cooldown thing which mostly is my issue with OW on this
so many of the skills are arbitrarily limited by cooldowns instead of having other limiting factors which allow you to pull them off in a more free-flowing way
phara basically just pushes a button and then that option is spent for a few seconds, soldier on the other hand can do it whenever he feels like, as many times in a row as he can manage, but it costs health and some ammo
it just feels more interesting to me with the more naturalistic skills even without the dickwaving of whose game is more skillful
TF2 players are salty their game doesn't have waifus.
Prove me wrong. Honestly it's the reason why this game is even remotely popular.
>>337051493
>it's just not possible with the movement limitations the game has
They're probably intentionally making movement exploits impossible, judging by how junkrats mine jumps sends him flying through the air like a 6 foot badminton ball, the air drag is fucking insane.
>>337051551
Basically. Blizzard killed any sort of high level play because bad players and good players are stuck with the same limits no way to overcome them.
>>337051869
>They're probably intentionally making movement exploits impossible
Well of course, Overwatch is designed to appeal to shitty players and shitty players don't like games where they get annihilated.
>>337051861
i had more fun playing medic in tf2 than i have playing any support in ow
>Soldier is somehow using "air control"
>But Pharah isn't
Why are TF2 fags so pathetic?
>>337051861
>Honestly it's the reason why this game is even remotely popular.
Exactly, so it's shit.
>>337051869
I love the mine jump but you fly forward for a bit and then nothing, you drop like a rock. I've even tried using his "pills" to jump but the send you nowhere.
>>337052237
>He doesn't know what air strafing is
>>337049580
been playing since it came out. Dedicated community servers are deader than dead. My own included. Its valve cancer or furry cancer. Please stop pretending tf2 has any people worth playing with anymore.
>>337051915
I think there still can be high level play, just look at fucking dota or whatever which has even less mechanical skill than this game, but there will probably be no high level movement or other major mechanical skills (like juggling or something)
which is a real shame, because it's just cool to do and to see, like that feeling when you finally kill that soldier that's dominating half the server
but TF2 also had very low mechanical skill for most of the non-explosive classes if I remember correctly
one has 12 year olds, furries and mlp faggots as well as no servers to play on
the other doesn't
i love tf2 to death but i'm welcoming overwatch with open arms.
>>337052237
There's no airstrafing in Overwatch.
>>337048402
>too shit to play tf2
>implying tf2 has any skill
CS1.6, Quake, UT04 are skill based games. TF2 isn't.
>>337052589
>no servers to play on
>>337052676
competitive 6v6 tf2 is pretty skill intensive tbqh
>>337052507
There's a guy on /v/ who hosts a TF2 server some nights. It's okay for chilling and shitposting.
But I've stopped playing since there's nothing to do and the market is worthless and drops are as well.
>>337051861
No, you're right, that's really the thing he has going for it
>>337038980
In other words, it's like comparing Melee to Smash 4
>>337052676
TF2 is a very quakelike game. There's plenty of skill involved, even though it's quite casualized.
Honestly, as a person who loved tf2 and actually loves Overwatch, i higly prefer tf2's rocketjumping and air strafing mechanics.
They are simply years ahead of what overwatch is doing right now
>>337052237
Please don't speak if you didn't play both games, dumb rabbitposter
Why do video games have to be something to prove how "hardcore" you are, why can't they just be fun?
>>337052801
competitive OW 6v6 barely even started. It's at the point of infancy, but I don't really give a fuck about that since OW is more for fun.
Same shit with TF2.
>>337052507
It took me less than 60 seconds on the server browser to find no less than 10 candidates for a good time, no furry/pony shit.
Granted this is probably because people are getting off work.
>>337052924
leave.
>>337052924
Go play fucking Candy Crush, casual.
>>337052924
well it's more fun if there's more room for kickass maneuvers, and in multiplayer games built for playing for hundreds of hours you're much more likely to have time to learn those kickass maneuvers
>>337052884
>very quakelike
The only thing quake-like about it is soldier and maybe sniper.
Comparing casual with casual is like saying league is a pure skill game as opposed to hots, when in reality they're both casual
>>337052541
>but TF2 also had very low mechanical skill for most of the non-explosive classes if I remember correctly
They were far from simple though. You can't pick up someone like spy or heavy and expect to do well with him right off the bat. Heavy is one of the most game sense reliant classes and is punished more than anyone else for bad positioning while spy is extremely difficult to be consistently good at because you have to know how every other class thinks and plays and outwit them.
>>337052924
gameplay should become more advanced. not less.
>suddenly TF2 is good
lol fuck /v/
>>337052924
high skill ceiling doesn't mean a high skill floor
tf2 has a low skill floor and a high skill ceiling, ow has a low skill floor and a low skill ceiling
>>337053185
When TF2 first came out with orange box, I guarantee you people (including me) were good right out the bat.
It's the same with OW. Don't pretend like you know the "complex mechanics" of OW in beta. Everyone's garbage, and everyone's learning the game, just like tf2.
>caring about le dead game xD
>>337053185
are you high? The first thing newbies did was pick heavy and eng to mow down hordes or other newbies
>>337053185
yeah but those aren't really mechanical skills, heavy gameplay consists mostly of aiming in the general enemy direction and walking, even though that might be very difficult it's not really hard to do, just hard to do properly
i'm sure OW has some decent game sense requirements in there some where too
though I think it's actually a good thing to have some classes which don't require twitch aim and hummingbird movement skills without being braindead easy
>>337052924
I think the overall complaint about OW is that it has simplified and taken out many advanced techniques, ones that can only be used after some dedicated practice, in favor for a easier to play game.
Personally, I'm of the side that OW is an FPS that is easier for people not familiar to the FPS genre. It limits the impact one very skilled player can have on a match to be similar with a less skilled player.
However, it does emphasize teamwork far more than a game like TF2 does. I think the challenge in this game stems more from team comps and coordination, this game very much punishes players who want to lone wolf, unless they're playing heroes that are specialized for solo play, like Genji.
>>337053352
I'm assuming somewhat competent players, I won't deny the average TF2 player is a colossal fucking retard.
>>337053295
>I guarantee you people (including me) were good right out the bat.
I seriously find that hard to believe with how ridiculously strong demo was, heavy is an easy target for spam.
>>337052960
I also spent 60 seconds.
Ofcourse, other than pony/trade/idle/furry/valve we git
>bots
>instant respawn
>24/7 meme maps
Youre full of shit.
>>337051861
That's not a good thing. It means more people will end up dropping it because they will get bored of the characters. TF2 thrived because of the gameplay and game modes, OW doesn't have that to compete. That said, its a blizzard game so it won't be dying any time soon
>>337053564
>heavy gameplay consists mostly of aiming in the general enemy direction and walking
Not really, the heavy is expected to sit back and guard the weaker classes, deny flankers/bombers, and occasionally help the demo focus down enemies at higher levels of play. A good heavy has to be constantly jumping, repositioning, and backing up to avoid headshots and explosive spam. If you just walk forward and hold down M1 you're a sitting duck.
>>337053584
>However, it does emphasize teamwork far more than a game like TF2 does.
bait or you haven't played competitive tf2
>>337053623
>find it hard to believe
Then you didn't play TF2 when it was 30 bucks, or you sucked. Remember that there's a medic and ubercharge still existed. Also that there's a pyro that is pretty much hold left click and try to get behind them
TF2 was complete casual when it first came out, comparable to OW now, except the main difference is that OW has a ton more selection.
>>337053806
I think he means in the context of public uncompetitive servers. OW allows a max of 6 players on each team so you don't have the same freedom to dick around like you can in a 24 player TF2 server. Centers are a complete fucking joke.
>>337045535
No one's saying that it's complex. People are saying that it's more complex than Overwatch.
Hell, fucking League is more complex than Overwatch. Let that sink in.
>>337053295
Not him but how about you stop pretending that someone is gonna find some magical tech that makes the game more than it is. Face it overwatch is more reliant on juggling your ults and team comp than it is on individual skill, that's fine and all but it means outside of aiming/maps and game sense there are no skills to be learned to make one good at the game. The beta is for all purposes the full game, some people have gotten the collectors edition of the game and the postcards it comes with are only the maps in the beta. Unless they're hiding new Hero's and maps that drastically alter gameplay what you see in the beta is what you get and there are no advanced techniques for individual players to learn outside how to chain their cooldown moves together with teammates.
>>337053972
>Remember that there's a medic and ubercharge still existed.
Really a medic is going to save you from 8 180 damage stickies with no arm time and pipes blowing up at your feet?
>Also that there's a pyro that is pretty much hold left click and try to get behind them
Pyro didn't have airblast at release and was even more of a joke than he is now.
>>337037581
>yfw they apparently abandoned SMITE as well
Fuck you Hi-Rez. Fuck you to hell.
both shit
>>337054026
That's probably the most desperate comparison there is.
Why are tf2 fanboys so deadset on shitting on OW? I played tf2 but left after manconomy because it was going down the shitter, but put it like this.
On a scale of difficulty, I'd put OW on a 3, and Tf2 on a 5 (quake/ut on a 10, 1.6 on a 8 or 9, cod on a 1).
TF2 is barely anymore complex than OW, but OW is simply more fun compared to the state tf2 is in now. I'd take a slightly easier game that has a bright future than a game that's slowly dying.
Note that I did play UT04/quake/1.6 a ton. So i went into TF2/OW with good aim.
>>337054117
How can you say that when most overwatch players aren't even good at the game yet?
99% of the community don't even know about animation canceling or character specific things like pharah's concussion blast boost. People are shitting on the game when they don't even have a good grasp or understanding of the game
>>337054117
I don't know if you're trolling or retarded, but strats for games come with time. You think people found strats for CS within 4 days? Did you know that bhopping for CS is a glitch?
You clearly haven't played enough games in it's infancy to it's prime if you don't think new strats and tools are developed over time.
>>337035139
You people are like the melee fags of FPS
Kill yourselves before its too late.
>>337053804
Yes, but how do you accomplish those things? Walking and spraying with the minigun(and jumping but cmon it's not that hard to perform). Most of those skills are more cerebral, and maybe a bit reaction based. Doesn't mean it's not hard.
>>337054207
No they didn't. MOBAs are still a cash cow and Hi-Rez is still balls deep in smite
Mark my words, the meta will boil down to junkrat and rollerblade negro
