I just finished this game (with the Helios ending). Jesus, it is easy one of the best games I ever played in my life.
Also, the decision in the ending really fuck up my mind. I took my time to think in the consequences of each choice.
Anyway, ask me anything.
Helios ending is the best. Other two just set the stage for all the exact same shit to happen again. Tong is a fucking retard.
>Hurr let's suddenly cripple the entire world's infrastructure. Millions of people will die in the ensuing chaos and humanity will eventually rebuild anyway, but FUCK IT.
>>337028602
The problem is that you will destroy the corruption, but in consequence you will make born the "dark ages" again, but if you do that, the humanity will learn and become more powerfulin the future.
Helios ending was honestly the best one.
>>337028602
Also, I think that the story of the game goes far beyond of just "good or bad ending". I think that it's just about take decisions and assume the consequences.
>>337029112
You became the most powerful badass in the world in that ending. The problem is that the humanity will be governed by a machine which attend everyone like machines too. And a world like that is a very unhappy words. Everyone will be safe, but unhappy.
>>337029351
The entire reason you merge with Helios is because JC provides the human element that gives Helios understanding of uniquely human issues/needs.
>>337029351
No, by merging with JC Helios gets a human perspective to help him make decisions.
>>337029553
>>337029641
So, in that case. That's true, It's the best ending.
>>337028418
What are you going to play next?
>>337029806
I was thinking in playing Invisible War. People says that it's not a bad game, but very disappointment one. I will play it by my own, and draw my conclusions later.
I never played a game with a story so deep as Deus Ex. Geez, and the fans of Undertale think that the story if their game is "deep". In what world they live?
>>337028418
Why do people on /v/ say that this game is only loved because of nostalgia ?
Finished it recently. It is currently one of my favorites.
>the decision in the ending really fuck up my mind.
>Go back to medieval age
>Ruin everything you've done up to this point
>Or give guidance to a turbopowerful AI to regulate the world without some retarded ass agenda.
Tough choices, for sure.
>>337029987
OH FUCK PLEASE DON'T DO IT
>>337032310
Because Liberty Island is the ultimate anti-normie area.
>I just played the game everyone played 15 years ago
>ask me anything
Are you of age to post on this website?
>>337029987
Dont do it to yourself
>>337029987
You're about to get tons of (You)s from redditors telling not to play it, but fuck them, IW had a lot of interesting ideas
>>337032679
>Games are irrelevant 1 attosecond after release
Kill yourself
>everyone picks helios ending and rips tong ending, literally every thread
>mfw I pick tong ending every time
>>337032679
So, I can't play Doom, System Shock, Warcraft series, or Sonic games?
>>337029987
Don't believe the memes. It wasn't that bad.
>>337032874
Go live in a village then you chinaboo.
>>337032884
You can have a discussion about them without making the 4chan equivalent of an AMA, is what he's saying.
>>337033019
>chinaboo
>implying the technocratic chinese state isn't the nearest real-world analogue to the loominati philosophy
>>337032874
All he really does is blow up the internet, it isnt even close to the medieval ages
>tfw you realized Human Revolution wasn't the first Deus Ex
>>337029351
the only people who think a machine wouldn't do a better job of looking after everyone doesn't believe in reality
>>337032454
What would you do?
Medieval age for sure. Fuck AI, just appreciate life and advance without it and have an intelligent populace. DUHHHHHHHHHHHHH
>>337032454
As the plot unfolds, Denton becomes entangled in a deep and ancient conspiracy, encountering organizations such as Majestic 12, the Illuminati and the Hong Kong Triads during his journey.
WOW, quote from wiki.
>>337033220
Exactly, people exaggerate the extent of its destruction. Tong's whole "living in caves" line is metaphorical. Which isn't to say that isn't a big change, but still
>>337033270
It's like the people who discover that Skyrim is not the first Elder Scroll.
I think tong wong should ping pong
>>337032874
Same
>>337029987
IW has it's flaws (Fucking retarded ammo system) but I still found it fun
>>337033553
Yeah man, fuck all the digital money and any document ever.
It's not like worldwide communication was good or something.
MISTAH JAY CEE DENTON IN DA FRESH
>>337033304
Problem is that machines still can make mistakes, and they often cannot detect that they are making a mistake.
Helios ending is perfect because the machine in question realizes it may screw things up at some point and seeks guidance of a human it deemed worthy. With JC on board (we know he cannot be corrupted as he does not seek power or money, you can cross out him fucking the world over) it can change the world for the better.
>>337034070
I'm not sure if J.C. "What a shame" Denton is the ideal representative for humanity, though.
>>337029351
It's literally the ending of ghost in the Shell, a machine and human merging to cancel out each other's flaws and allowing for a machine to understand empathy
>>337028418
When does it get good?
>>337034262
When he decides to merge with helios eventually leading to his suicide.
>>337034262
In the beginning.
>>337034070
>>337034181
But the human-machine synthesis is inherently a totalizing force that denies humanity freedom
>>337034262
After Liberty Island.
Learn to play until then.
>>337034262
When you stop being a bitch and learn to adapt to your character weaknesses.
>I can't aim well with low stats
>better bitch and complain instead of working around the limitations of an low level character
>>337034429
Basically this game has major trust issues and only trust yourself.
>>337034409
Don't lie, anon.
>>337034370
How far it from the mission where you have to disable generators in docs or something?
>>337034160
You have a point, but the discussions about goverment and terrorism with the bartenders seem to point out that he does know empathy. Besides that and "a bomb!" can be blamed on voice actor.
>>337034429
What part of "put a human in there so that it does not make every human being ever miserable" do you not understand?
>>337034429
>implying that humans aren't Biocomputers written in the most recursive spaghetti code possible
>implying you can't create subjectivity with nested if statements and inconclusive analysis
>J.C Denton
>Human
That's a funny one.
>>337034692
i cant work that out, am just guessing its the best part from the plot i read. someone will know.
>>337032679
I was in prison, ok?
Geez, I was hoping I wouldn't have to think about that. I hope the PTSD doesn't get triggered
uh oh.
tOo lAtE...
>>337034772
I bet you think Solid Snake is not human too
>>337034586
This, I think, is the strongest rationale. The Helios ending makes the most sense from JC's viewpoint, less so from an outside observer.
>>337034482
I don't bitch I ask a question, you faggot.
>>337034473
Strange, because I finished this mission and yet I'm still getting bored way to fast with this game.
>>337035028
You just have shit taste. Don't worry.
>>337034974
>I bet you think Solid Snake is not human too
a snake is not a human. and to my knowledge, all snakes are solid
>>337035028
My bad fampai, the real meat of the game is in the level design and exploration.
If you can't dig that then you do have shit taste
>>337035117
Nah, if the game isn't getting better or more engaging after this point. I'm afraid that you have shit taste.
>>337034764
Where on the spectrum are you?
>>337035017
Would you say the outside observer was more correct in their sense?
>>337035349
I would, but that's because as a player I can separate myself from the main character and make a wider judgement. Besides, my preexisting beliefs bias me away from the Helios ending, whereas that may be different for other players.
>>337035315
Don't be like that. If subjectivity is turning 0->1 into a somewhat fluctuating floating point number, then with enough parallel processing, roughly on par with the brain. True AI should be doable with enough decisions.
>>337035536
I think JC needs you lol.
A good belief could determine the fastest route to stability for everyone and yourself and that has AI connotations hmmm. (just thinking to myself).
>>337032679
please stop commenting
>>337035630
Subjectivity is not a function of floating point calculations. It's the product of experience. It's experience that shades the grey areas.
>>337035297
>>337035028
Where are you again? The second mission, the one where you have to destroy a generator in a warehouse? You will find leg augment in the basement, this is propably the best aug in the game. Augs in general make you overpowered. Turn it on and you can go fast.
Yeah, the ai is dumb and very basic, but the fun really does come from exploring, finding neat little details and figuring ways to deal with missions. And as a bonus you have a conspirational orgy for a story.
I played this game 15 years ago, eat a fucking dick.
Ask me anything, eat a fucking dick.
>>337036065
Quite right.
>>337028602
Tong's ending isn't about saving the world, it's more like maintaining JC as a character. He just fucks off and has adventure with Triads in Hong Kong which is bound to become its own indepentent state now that world rule is fucked. That's how I look at it anyway.
JC seeks councilling afterwards doesn't he?
![retro-610[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/MREiLWu.jpg "retro-610[1].jpg")
>>337028418
Any good mods for this game?
>He picked Tong's ending without killing everyone
Great, now they can reorganize and fuck everything and everyone because of your retarded ass non-lethal playthrough.
>>337036687
Nameless mod is always recommended, never played it myself but heard only good things about it.
>>337036656
In what sense?
![maxresdefault[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/SXt3qNN.jpg "maxresdefault[1].jpg")
>>337028418
>>337028418
The music in this game was fucking GOD-TIER and I still have it stuck in my head all of these years later.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uzvw8uSWucM
>>337036823
I never could bring myself to play Nameless Mod, because it was absolutely riddled with memes and in-jokes.The main theme song was SO good, though
>>337036824
For going so far as to never reflect on morale choices of everyone in regards to decisions.
>>337036687
GMDX is the go-to overall improvement mod.
Ignore everyone who tells you to play the game unmodded, you will lose nothing but time and patience.
>>337036687
GMDX is pretty great if you're replaying. It has plenty of nice gameplay additions, better AI, a higher difficulty mode.
2027 is a pretty great one with an original story.
>>337033270
well, no it wasnt, but it was chronologically...i think? any spin of that take place before HR?
>>337037330
Sol's bar is God tier as well
>dat sax solo
>>337037330
You're missing out, the memes almost entirely disappear past the first few missions.
Is revision any good?
>>337039347
No, it sucks major dick. Use GMDX instead.
>>337037115
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nBPK_oXeJgA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RgIE6Pb_MFE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8vTvHsHx4TM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZFOgvGSMcfE
>>337036687
Revision
>>337036687
http://www.moddb.com/mods/gmdx
>>337039347
All it is is a graphical update
Pretty nice
Who is the Bob Page of vidya? I'm gonna go with GabeN
>>337039347
>>337039613
>>337039809
I'm getting mixed messages here
>>337039347
>>337039992
>>337040446
No, it quadruples damage to the head and gives stupid old ai aimbot
It has nice maps (every other one is just copy pasted from the original though) and is worth a playthrough if you already know the game in and out but is to be avoided if you want a deus ex experience.
>>337040446
Revision is primarily changes the levels and graphics. When it comes to gameplay you can pick between vanilla, Shifter or BioMod.
GMDX's primary focus is gameplay, with there being some slight level changes.
>>337040304
>Aquinas spoke of the mythical episode 3 in the hills
>>337036205
Thanks, for explanation friend. Perhaps I'll look into it again.
Has anyone used GMDX? I'm liking it a lot more than Revision since most of the changes are QoL improvements rather than useless fluff around the maps.
>>337036687
Shifter
>>337033220
The dark ages weren't so bad depending on where you lived.
>>337042868
Biomod
>>337039347
>>337040446
get GMDX
>>337039347
I enjoyed it personally, it changed up a lot of the environments and made playing a fresh experience.
>>337028418
How did you, or a bunch of other anons, figure out the controls? I never got to play older games (am millenial adjacent) and the jank has stopped me each of the 4 times I've tried.
>>337044301
Well the first step would be to look them up in the menu and change them if they seem weird. Wasn't the scope key originally something really stupid?
>>337044301
Rebind them. Older games have that.
Stuff like F for the flashlight or Z, X, C for the laser, scope and different ammo is one the first things you should do. Play around, you have the tools.
>>337044858
[ or ] I think.
>>337044301
I just played it with the default controls. I like old games and the controls doesn't annoy me.
>>337029553
But if Helios doesn't understand the human needs, how does it know that JC is the right person to fuse with?
>>337032771
What did IW do that you thought was interesting?
>>337029987
It's actually better than the first, ignore the memers.
>God of
I love the game but it's such a stupid fucking name
>>337046004
Isn't it God out of?
>>337046060
Yeah. The idea probably being that it's up to you what the gods of the new world are made of. Or something.
>>337036687
>>337037552
>>337037753
>>337039613
>>337039840
>>337040738
>>337042692
>>337043024
These anons speak the truth. GMDX is the only mod worthy of this game. It's better if you play it unmodded the first time so you can appreciate both its strength and flaws, but you can safely use GMDX as a first time and you will get a near-perfect game.
Here's a series of videos showing you the changes they've done. Be careful though, there may be some minor spoilers about areas and characters.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rKHPtfammNY
Revision is shit, not entirely sure about shifter but I've seen quite a few things I didn't like at all about it.
Also Helios is objectively the best ending. Humans aren't ready (yet) to rule themselves. We need someone else to do it for us, and in the absence of God, we create it ourselves.
>>337046346
>karellen.jpg
wat
>>337045050
Thanks, didn't fucking think of this. Kb+m then, no game pad.
>>337045072
I don't play many old games is the problem :/
>>337046416
It's the original name in Japanese, in reference to Childhood's End. The shitty localization changed it to Krelian in the west among many other names.
If someone hasn't read Childhood's End, do it motherfuckers.
>HR was first doos ecks game
>hear people shit on the boss fights (rightfully so)
>play first game recently for first time
>all boss fights can be solved with one (two in Walton's case) GEP rockets
>>337039617
>that UNATCO theme
>>337046727
I have no idea what animu that is. What's it to do with Childhood's End?
>play steam version
>enter dark area
>CHING CHING CHING CHING
>mfw I go full british cop and beat almost the whole game with a baton
>>337039617
UNATCO return has to be my favorite
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u0IsK2C8SNo
>>337047065
I haven't even played it and I know that's Xenogears.
It's the Evangelion of PS1 RPGS.
Just in terms of references to Western sci-fi and religion alone, don't know if the creator used it to break out of depression though.
>>337039617
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zHnLGeBNXHc
>>337046779
The point is that every "boss" fight can be solved by saying the killphrase or just running away in Simon's case. Not getting locked in a small arena and duke it out you two. IIRC you only have to kill Navarre, you can walk away from everything else. Just that, that you can walk away from Simons without killing him makes it a better boss fight than say, Berret or what's his name. Simons even tries to kill you again later.
>>337047517
Can you run from Simon's at Area 51?
>>337047065
Godammit. It's a sci-fi videogame called Xenogears.
There are some similarities with both Karellen, but it's mostly just a reference. The game does shares some themes from Childhood's End and Evangelion, but goes in its own different direction about them.
It's an amazing game, probably my second favourite game after Deus Ex. The story is incredible.
>>337047756
>>337047462
I'm not big into console gaming so that probably explains it.
>>337047687
Of course. You only need to open the bunker and get in there.
I never did it because there's an upgrade can behind him there but I managed to get him beneath 5% hp so that he tries to run away. You can put him to sleep, I think you can do that to Gunther too.
>>337046779
I hope your implication is that this is a good thing.
Has anyone watched Threadbareinc's LP of Deus Ex? He talks about some pretty deep shit at the end of each video.
noggers
>>337048708
Seriously, what the fuck are you doing, do you just find a thread, look up the an lp for the game the thread is talking about and shill a random lper? I've seen you in a Fire Emblem thread and a Persona thread
>>337047756
I just kinda see Xenogears as attempting to make NGE into a video game, and losing a lot of meaningful symbolism in the process. I'd play FF7 over it any day.
>>337048907
>I've seen you in a Fire Emblem thread and a Persona thread
Who? I'm never anywhere near fucking Persona threads. Even if I was a fan, it's nothing but waifu circlejerks over there.
>>337047517
I killed navarre in the airplane hanger when she ordered me to kill what's-his-name.
The first time I played the game I thought they'd make her invincible, but I was delightfully surprised when she died and the game played out accordingly.
>>337036738
I'd like to see a game explicitly address this some time. Give the player the choice, let them feel all good about themselves for being merciful, and then at the end, kick them in the nuts with a
>your enemies are still alive, stupid
Kinda like AC: Brotherhood started with Ezio's home town getting BTFO by the pope's private army after he spared the pope in the previous game due to having grown "above petty revenge" or w/e.
But then as a consequence of player choice.
>>337048907
Not him, but I watched that series a while ago even though I hate LPers. The videos themselves aren't all that interesting to me as it's just playing the whole game, but at the end he stops playing and just talks for 5 or 10 minutes about many different topics somewhat featured in the game like religion, philosophy, government, templars, illuminati etc. It's pretty interesting and the guy is clearly well informed.
>>337049002
Like I said, Xenogears goes in a different direction than Eva, not so much symbolism, but still a complex story. The similarities are there, but the game is great on its own merits.
>>337049621
Meh. I haven't bothered to play Xenogears. Maybe my opinion will change if I do, but then I'm the guy who got bored of Final Fantasy Tactics.
Your appointment to FEMA shall finalize within the week, I already discused the matter with the senator.
>>337049494
Or, to get a bit back on topic, I remember Human Revolution had a character hire me for a hit, and I, being the pussy that I am, was like "is there no other way" and they were like "nope" and I was like, damn, but I'll live with the consequences of my actions.
And then they were all "unless..." and they ruined it.
You shouldn't be able to let everyone live and still stop them being a problem. If I can make everything work out perfectly for everyone and keep a clean conscience while doing it, I don't really feel as if I'm making choices. Sometimes, someone just wants someone else dead and a pacifist should have no choice but to decline.
