>ps4.5 will be a $400 4k meme
>now the Vram trick is making all 2gb gfx cards obsolete
>also Denuvo
It's the low end PCs that are killing consoles.
>>336995496
Consoles aren't dying you turd
>>336995496
not really...with the Vram trick they fuck over all 2gb card holders. hitman on ps4 runs on high textures....on a 760 u gotta keek em low
>>336995496
>killing consoles
>PS4 literally selling better than any console in history
PCucks are seriously cute.
Steam machines were supposed to be the big console destroyer, I thought? Except they're using linux, and linux is absolute garbage for playing games. Worse than a fucking mac.
Cheap computers are fine for watching netflix or whatever but really you're gonna have a shitty time playing games unless you build something with at least an i5 and a 750. and that's gonna run you at least like 450 bucks for just them. Add in another 200 or so for a case, mobo, ram, psu, etc etc and then if you don't have a monitor or accessories like a keyboard or mouse that's probably gonna end up being another 150 all together (if you want a good 1080p monitor, if you're fine with lower it can be as cheap as 50 bucks)
Really it's just that the barrier to entry is too high, all the micro PCs stopped being produced in favor of these fucking steam machines that are pure cancer and can't play games, and can't do much of anything a regular PC can do, other than be portable.
The thing is, that cost is made up for with cheap games, but the foresight in that is pretty weak, and I don't blame them, it's hard to wait for fucking sales for games you want to play. Most would rather pay $400 for a console plus $150 for three solid games than 800 on a good mid range PC and sit around jerking off and playing F2P garbage for 3 months while they wait for a solstice sale.
Plus, to be totally fair, consoles have such a fucking edge on the amount of players in most new releases that it's tough to play something like call of duty on console then go to PC. It's just such a fucking night and day disparity.
guys can i build a pc at 300$ or maybe less which can play street fighter V ??
What's the vram trick?
I have a 2gb 960 because i thought 3.5gb was overkill.
>>336995406
There is no PC that is as affordable as a console with the same level of performance unless you fish for black friday-ish deals for every single part, and even then it's pushing it.
>>336995406
NOTHING OF THIS MATTERS UNTIL WE GET SOME VIDEO GAMES ON ANY PLATFORM. VIDEO GAMES ARE D E A D!
Nothing will do 4k on a good price.
Not the PS4.5, not the geforce 1080p, nor the Xbox two.
>>336995406
Who hyped for 1080ti which will out perform 2x titan in SLI
>>336996241
> CoD selling missions over millions every year
> it has th be the best gaming series of our generation
Those "console killer" builds are just clickbait
>list all the parts that retail for $600+
>you can find XY part on eBay for as low as $50!
Not to mention that building a PC that cheap is generally a bad idea, especially if you're skimping on the PSU, motherboard and the case.
>>336998746
>something is popular
>it's obviously shit
Grow the fuck up, neckbeard. You're not a special hipster snowflake faggot.
>>336998096
Look beyond pc
>>336997615
Can't you just prioritize a decent CPU+mobo+GPU and then cheap out on everything else?
>>336998746
Actually, both are interlinked.
The casuals choosen PS4 as the CoD box, and that's all PS4 is pretty much.
>>336998832
I would say the biggest "problem" here is the emulators.
Nothing on the modern consoles can touch Chrono trigger for example, so when you have emulators, the comparison gets quite obvious.
Those PCfags must understand that some quality must be tossed away to get more realism.
>>336998882
>cheap PSU
>everything explodes
>cheap case
>it melts
>cheap ram
>shits out on you in a few days or you only get 8gigs (lel)
>cheap case cooling
>non-functional/poor job circulating and those expensive high quality parts aren't worth shit when they're on fire or melted
Some things you can skimp on, but not cheap out on. You generally want to go middle of the road at the very cheapest for what you buy. Any cheaper and you run the risk of actual hardware failure. All the precaution and proper care in the world won't protect you from cheap shit.
>>336998882
You need to prioritize a decent mobo and PSU over the rest, as its the two components that will die and kill all your devices in the process if they suck.
>Hookup pc AND consoles to tv
>set up each in every channel.
>Multiplay games while zapping among devices
>Place a porn stream every certain number of channels too
Make this better, faggots, there is certainly room for improvement.
Btw, anyone has actually used grado headphones for games? I'm tempted to pick a pair, but really, I should go with the beyers, grados will arrive sooner, though.
>>336999085
I use some cheap $10 sale pair of headphones I got from walgreens and they sound good to me. I'm no audio snob though, there's probably a quality difference but I couldn't tell you what it is.
in short no go ask /mu/. or /g/.
>>336998882
A 970 GTX alone costs 300 yuropoor bucks, now factor in a mid-range intel CPU and a motherboard that supports it and you're already over the 500 euro mark.
Worst case scenario, get a solid case, psu and motherboard and get everything else cheap and upgrade as you go.
>>336999202
Yeah, I used not to believe in this shit, until one day my mic jack got fucked up, bought a soundcard and my ears were quite regaled.
To be blunt, the most differences I have noticed have been:
a) A good (and good doesn't mean pricey) soundcard with an amp (this made a shitty retarded gaming headset sound like the cumming with fuckloads of squirting of a perfect waifu).
b) A headphone that actually is balanced to your liking (in my case it was some sr80i grados I tested).
Something that is less impressive is an actual headphone that is marked as gr8 but isn't anything at all like you are into. No matter how accurate it is or how clear it sounds.
In short, beware of audiopedophiles.
>>336999312
>intel+nvidia meme
you know, there is amd
>>336999447
I have literally no clue what you're trying to convey to me.
>>336999312
You get your money back and more in the long run thanks to the price of PC games. I always get the next big game but haven't paid more than 35€ for years.
>>336999453
Not yet.
But there will be, and it won't be called just AMD.
It will be called motorla, apple, Freescale, Sharp, Samsung, Rockchip...
>>336999675
That some shit sounds gud as fuck but a 1000€ headphone can and will probably sound like shit to you whereas a 25€ soundcard and a discrete headphone (even in some cases a gaming headset) has the potential to sound amazing as fuck.
>>336999970
Oh okay, that's a bit easier to understand. Yeah that's pretty much what I was trying to say.
>>336995406
>350 Gaming pc
>Video shows a guy using used parts to build a Pc
Whats the point
I'd be impressed if 4k consoles are released anytime soon. A lot of people don't even have the 4k TVs to support them.
As per usual though, I think it's important to point out that both have their advantages.
PC:
>Upgradable
>Multi-Function
>No Subscription
>Large plethora of games and direct ports from consoles
>Emulation
>Complete media center with high compatibility for all devices
>Unlimited access to future games/programs
>Better cooling
>Easier to customize
>Better online communities (For the most part)
>Expensive
Console:
>Simple to use
>Generally smaller than HTPC
>Custom firmware design specifically for gaming
>Cheap
>Becoming better media centers
>Easier to set up
>Better technical support
>Exclusive games
There might be more for console, but I haven't actually used the PS4 or XBone. Point is, they have trade offs.
I like PC gaming because I can fully customize my experience, and I'll literally never run out of games to play, or ever have to buy a completely new system because I want a certain game.
In general PCs are usually higher spec, so I think that there might be more inclination to develop games for it due to the general flexibility and compatibility of the software.
>>337000119
I like you.
Also, to add. The true master race gets the platform the games are on. i.e PC, Console and Handheld.
>>337000119
It's just the opposite actually, the incentive for PC development is usually lower because of time needed to be spent on optimization for that wide variety of builds. And when companies don't do just that, the games come out as shitty ports. It's unfortunate.
>>337000119
>PCs are usually higher spec, so I think that there might be more inclination to develop games for it
The problem with developing a game that uses a PC to its full potential is that you can't cover the costs without selling it on consoles as well.
>>336999453
Ah yes I love poor support and performance in every new game and some games outright not working
>>337000298
Actually, that's the point of DirectX, it's there to facilitate games running on various h/w configs.
>>337000369
>The problem with developing a game that uses a PC to its full potential is that you can't cover the costs without selling it on consoles as well.
Blatantly false, the real issue is that developing for high end PCs means you're cutting off a large chunk of a pretty small market, the very fact that not every PC is high end is what's the problem, not consoles.
>>337000502
When was the last time directx was used properly, or at all, actually, in a major release? Everyone's been pushing more and more for openGL support because "muh linux"
>>337000476
Poor support I can see, performance perhaps on some more demanding games, but I don't think I've had an issue yet with games not working. Any examples?
>>336995496
I think consoles are a large cause of many problems with gaming as a whole but even i know consoles aren't fucking dying. Low end PCs being powerful enough to run many modern games at 60fps and usually better graphics has increased the PC player base but its not taking away sales from consoles. As long as consoles keep imprisoning exclusives consoles will continue to survive, even when they are more expensive than much better tech.
>>337000615
True, but that's what it's there for.
>>337000615
>Everyone's been pushing more and more for openGL support because "muh linux"
Really? I only see people creaming over DX12.
>>337000615
Open GL does the same shit.
But even with Open GL or DirectX, the hardware still varies, and you still have to write multiple code paths to make you game run smooth on a wide variety of hardwares.
Also there is the lies.
Both Open GL and D3D have this neat list of "supported videocard features" that you base your code on to decide if you will use effect X or not... but in pratice, fucked up and shoddy drivers will fucking lie on what they can actually do, or do it half assed, generally optimized for really popular software.
Everything minecraft use for example will be fucking optimized as hell and the driver will be considered a sin and unreleasable if it breaks it.
But your obscure D3D/Open GL game? they will not give a single fuck.
>>337000640
>I think consoles are a large cause of many problems with gaming as a whole
Consoles causing problems with gaming? Not PC?
>Arkham Knight
>GTAO hacks
>Division hacks
>piracy (while it exists on consoles, nowhere near as bad as PC)
>betting scandals in the pc esports scene
>moba fags being subhuman cockends
You are a moron.
If you think PS 4.5 will do 4k you're fucking delusional. PS4 can't even handle 1080 at a solid 30 FPS, like Bloodborne.
Shit this thread is shit...how's my build?
>>336995496
Although PCs have more capabilities when it comes to modifications, it's a ginormous stretch to say that consoles are dying out.
>>337000984
well it won't run bloodborne.
>>337000984
>Geforce 1080p
>>337000881
>moba fags being subhuman cockends
Surely that's not worse than years of screaming kids and retards on call of duty.
Moba fags are terrible but I've never seen people worse than console cod fags.
>>337000984
Good until you payed for windows 10....
>>337001117
codfags in general, they're as bad on PC.
For the experienced guys:
How much is the 980 or 970 dropping in price when the 1080 and 1070 are released?
I have a GTX 750 TI
is the ps4.5 going to be a totally new console?
>>337001210
buy a 1070, the 980 and 970 probably won't drop for ages.
>>337001117
You can blame the PC hipsters for that one, that removed the manly cartoons like GI Joe from television and turned it into a beta wussfest so bad even MLP horses have more balls than em.
Halo and CoD are the new GI Joe, until of course the PC crowd comes to the consoles and wussifies it too.
>>337001220
It has the same RAM as the PS4 so not entirely new, I think you can expect some upgrades from it though
>>337001220
Think New 3DS.
>>337000984
>1TB SSD
>DDR4-3200
>750W PSU
Even the CPU is overkill.
Otherwise, that pretty much the best you can get but everything will be better and cheaper by the time games make real use of it.
>>337000984
Do you need the i7 over an i5?
Do you need 1TB of SSD storage? I mean, it's getting cheaper, but not to the point where you want to have hundreds of GBs unused.
Don't pay for Windows.
What's the reason I haven't seen any /v/irgins using gaming projectors?
they have lowish input lag and fuckhuge screen sizes.
>>337001592
Probably the fuckhuge screensize and the blurriness.
people dont believe ps4.5 and x2 will do 4k
THEY WILL BUT & YOU WILL CRY!!
keep in mind that consoles at release usually had hardware that surpassed top end gfx cards of their time
they do so to ensure longevity....
also keep in mind that sony and M$ can cheaply produce top end gpu's for cheap... Marketers want you to believe that technology progresses slowly and not in giant strides
I can triple sli 5 year old cheap 2nd hand gfx cards that will destroy a 1080. all for $120
>>337001787
>blurriness
How is it blurry, though?
>>337001817
They will also come with two PSUs to handle all the power and wallscrews to mount your device safely so the fans and heat don't actually propel your device out of the room as they will be basically turbojets.
>>337002102
You have to focus the projection and i don't think you can do it until it looks sharp as a digital screen, but its probably not needed and maybe even benefical.
>>336995406
What vram trick
>>336995406
You're trying quite hard for someone who is happy with his console
>>337002341
I guess h means the shared vram
>>336995596
I wrote code for hitman and I have to say youre wrong, it must be something else in your shit rig causing the problem, game runs fine on mutliple rigs in the office, and yet here you are on the internet behind closed doors claiming it runs bad after stating you have a piece of shit you like to call your rig get the fuck out of my sight
>>336999716
You do, just trying to advise people against building a "console killer" with something like an i3 or whatever bullshit was parroted a year ago.
>>336998823
>something is popular
>it's obviously good
Grow the fuck up, you fucking retarded casual sheep faggot.
>>336995406
>ps4k
> $400
Lel
Ps4k will be $800 my dads Nirioto
Projector in action, doesn't look that bad and probably very spectacular in person
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pHbgDVV8gR0
>>337003136
Actually, good is a bit relative.
But not illogical like "EVERYTHING IS RELATIVE THUS I'M ALWAYS RIGHT" kind of bullshit, but mostly that there are several ways to be seen as good.
In the case of CoD, the "good" it brings is the fact it is the defacto casual multiplayer FPS, that everyone knows and everyone have sure that everyone will have.
As long it is bearable, people will still buy it, not because its great, but because its guaranteed multiplayer play time with friends.
Which is why everyone that copies CoD is basically dooming their games to the certain failure, as they can't copy the only thing that brings people back to it.
Everyone that ever said "we want the CoD audience" pretty much signed for the worst decision they ever made.
>>337003470
>>337003378
Sony already confirmed it at $400.
Also the specs already leaked.
Its just a slight clock bump on everything and twice the shader units, which will translate in pratice to 30-50% increase on performance, which well is obviously not even close to enough to push 4 times more pixels that is what is needed to 4k.
>>336995406
>>also Denuvo
Can someone tell me what Denuvo games have been cracked so far?
>>336995406
Holy fuck I have the exact same case in OP's pic.
>>337003637
>sony already confirmed it's $400
nice source
>>337003941
Looking well you're indeed quite right.
>>337000984
That rig won't run Bloodborne or Persona 5 anytime soon.
>>336995406
>ps4.5 will be 4k
>upscaled 4k at best
>shit tier texture quality on ps4.5 so they can get 60fps
>shit tier draw distance
>shit tier AA and AF
I'll stick with my pc you poorfag plebs. Keep telling yourself the 4.5 will be good, it will be equal to a pc from years ago at BEST.
>>336995582
> tfw there won't be any next-gen consoles after the PS 4.5 / Neo
> tfw the legacy of consoles would end. new consoles will be something like pre-assembled PCs, and you have to upgrade parts as you would a gaming PC
ROFL
>>336997093
get a fucking pentium g & r7 360 for $350 bud
>>336998823
> Transformers franchise raking up billions each
> literally the best films ever made, best director as well
>>336995406
>now the Vram trick is making all 2gb gfx cards obsolete
What trick? You better not be talking about PS4s shared GDDR5 memory pool
>>337004303
>>shit tier texture quality on ps4.5 so they can get 60fps
>implying they'll prioritise 60fps or even consistent 30fps over MUH GRAFFIX
jej
>>336995406
It will be permanently dead once the industries MAXIMUM GRAFIX whoring ends. With games almost having to look better than what a console can properly run. Once the most important aspect of video games stops being how they look and becomes how they play the 2000 dollar spreadsheet machine and the students steam toasters will keep living.
>>337004949
The 2000 dollar machines never were a problem.
Its the cheapass ones that are posing a threat to the consoles.
In 2006, "cheap computers" had that godawful intel GMA video chip that lacked basic 3D functions that even the PS1 had, thus were absolute dogshit at running anything, and plugging the PC to a TV was absolutely awful, to not mention getting sound out of it requiring a separate soundcard for it, and getting a controller to run was hell.
Now? any intel HD is able to deliver PS3 level graphics without breaking a sweat, you can plug a PC to a tv as easy as you do a console (or easier because you don't have to actually plug it to power if its a laptop), and Xbox 360 controllers became pretty much the defacto controller, supported automagically by pretty much everything.
But mustards will keep deluding themselves that its THE ABSOLUTE PC POWER that is doing the trick, when most people simply don't give a fuck.
>>336997615
You can literally build a console-performance PC for $350-400+
$380
Pentium G + R7 360
https://pcpartpicker.com/parts/partlist/
And for $430 you can switch the Pentium for an i3
In fact that build actually offers you about 5-10 extra FPS vs a PS4, and slightly better quality settings. (AA, or LOD / view distance)
Granted, the PS4 has an "8-core" AMD processor, and a 7850/7870 - equivalent performance, but it is still an APU, not a full-on CPU/GPU.
And it's AMD, their older gen stuff has lesser IPC, and the APU is running <2.0GHz.
>>337004663
the trick is that devs don't seem to believe 2gb vram is enough.
been the case for like 2 years almost
that's the trick
>>337005302
It's possible that I have been mistaken about how relevant the 2k machines were. What I wanted to say is that "the best possible grafix" are being pushed on consoles too. Since the PS3/Xbox360. Because of this the "need" for consoles to be powerful has increased but you can't make that thing powerful without making it expensive or you have to do what they have and sell at a loss. I fear that this "need" for games to look as best as possible will lead to consoles trying to conpete with the 2k machines eventhough they don't share the same audience.
>>336999057
>le 32gb meme
>le 1200w titanium PSU
>le top-end 'muh gaming labelled' 'muh ASUS' branded board, gaming RAM, gaming this, gaming that
Consoles are cheap toasters with cheap APUs and crammed in an even cheaper shell with cheap cooling, and you're okay than that?
There are reliable makers out there, you don't need to skimp on by getting shit from some unknown Chinese shitnitz.
The most basic board from ASUS / EVGA etc are still made with the same quality standard, so are the SII series entry PSUs from Seasonic, and $50 cases from Thermaltake / Coolermasters are decent.
>>337005681
The last time they tried that approach, you got a bunch of machines dying out of overheat and/or being fucking expensive due all the cooling it needed.
Now they seem to have learned the lesson and will pick what fits into the power envelope.
>>337005945
Now all we need is for developers to stop making beautiful, unoptimized, non stable frame rate games on consoles and we're good.
>>337006113
Pretty much.
30/60 fps locked or bust.
>>337003084
bullshit! i wrote the real code for the game.you either get the ps4 or 970 or above for the premium quality.
>>337004420
Why would it be like that though. If anything, the exact contrary is true: with the end of Moore's law, graphic improvements will actually slow down.
Why would anyone build pc when all it can offer is new looking exclusives/broken delayed port?
Pc is dead irrelevant garbage with outdated graphics.
>>337005465
what trick? you do know vram scales with gfx fidelity right?
I wonder how those people that fell for the $350 "console killer" build are doing these days
Probably can't run the latest console ports at all
>>337006321
If anything, things will get weirder and more interesting with the death of the moore's law.
For example, that "finfet" bullshit is about making pieces that are more useful than plain transistors instead of you know, just shrinking it again.
Also i think the HBM thing is a safe bet prototype thing for a possible future of the ICs, where they will assemble those huge/tall CPUs made out of several cheaper to manufacture parts, like making all the cores separately and then literally gluing em into a bigger multicore beast.
>>337006445
Ask everyone that turned PC into basically the second place runner of this generation.
In terms of software sales, its PS4>PC>Xbone>WiiU.
While in the last was
Wii>XB360>PS3>PC
>>337006731
not really.xbox one has bigger sales than pc and wii u doesn't have multi-plats.
pc is dead and irrelevant.
>>337006321
aside from chip and die shrinkage (which will slow down, considerably)
there are still waaaays to improve on gfx fidelity, take a look on API technology for instance, such as direct x
even if we're not making more powerful GPUs with smaller chips, and cramming more hardwares in there
we'd still be making a more efficient new GPUs with most of the old hardwares, but running the latest, much more efficient APIs and such
we've had a FUCKTON of hardware upgrades for the last 15 years BUT we've only got up 4 major levels in Direct X API
>>337000078
>uses a trip
>on a vietnamese sewing hotline where names aren't necessary at all
Whats the point
Let's not bullshit here guys.
I'm a PC gamer and my midrange PC (i5/GTX970) is much more expensive than any console.
We also have to realise that consoles are undeniably more popular and that PC gaming is on the decline.
Building your own PC is something that only nerds do. Normies don't have time for that shit. The most that normies will do is order a prebuilt "gaming" PC from Alienware.
The fact that companies like Blizzard are porting their games to consoles shows that they know what the trend is. Consoles are far more popular than PCs when it comes to gaming. And that's fine!
I still believe that PC is the better platform but it requires far more of an investment both in terms of money and time to get the most out of it. Casual gamers aren't willing to make that investment.
>>337000476
i've been running amd for years (from phenom to FX and 6850 to R9 380) and have no idea what you're talking about
except r9 380 with crimson drivers crashing DS3 constantly
>>337007553
>970
>midrange
>XD good bait senpai
>>337006321
BTW they are really going for it. It's not a rumour.
The PS 4 vs PS 4.5 really started it all.
So instead of having another PS 5 vs PS 5.5, they'd me making the next-next gen consoles upgradable, just like the PCs.
> Why is this shit happening? We've never seen anything like it before.
Well lads, this is what you get when you release a 'new' console just right about the time for the next big leap.
It's known for a while that DX12 will bring such a huge leap from DX11 (like DX11 vs DX9)
And the upcoming marvels of FinFet and HBM GPU design.
The PS4 is only 2~ years old and we've already begun to take the next giant step.
With PCs, this isn't really much of an issue because you could just upgrade your rig.
The only shit you'd get is trying to sell your high-end stuff for cheap.
Good luck trying to sell your used 980 / 980Ti's, I'd just get a new 1070 for the price thank you,
>>337007664
What? Is the 970 considered low end already?
>>337006881
Go check the numbers yourself.
Of course, you can argue that the "software console named steam" that did all the grunt work, but steam is just behind PS4 in software sales.
Also if PC dies as a gaming platform completely, the consoles will follow it because well, nobody will finance the actual development of better video chips, development kits etc etc..
>>337007889
>consoles were fine for years on end while pc gaming didn't exist
>if pc dies consoles die too
U wot m8?
>>337000078
What's the point?
$350 would get me a used i5 2400 + GTX 760 / R7 270x in my place.
That shit would rekt the PS4.
> inb4 ports, exclusives
>>337008023
Aren't you forgetting something? Like...
>the motherboard
>the case
>the PSU
>the hard drive
>the optical drive
>the monitor
>the keyboard
>the mouse
>the speakers
>the gamepad (if you intend to play certain games)
Or is that all stuff that we're expected to just "have lying around somewhere"?
>>337007819
DX12 will bring 20-30% of performance improvement, depending on game style.
And vulkan do the same thing, except it runs on the still most used OS of the moment, Windows 7, that even when/if get its place lost to win10 will still represent more than half of the market, which means the only logical reason to use it is if microsoft gave you a huge paycheck to do so.
>>337008015
PC gaming never been console big, but always been there.
Since the Sega dreamcast, "chips designed from the ground up for consoles" died down, with PS2 being the last system that did it, with its well... not exactly great results.
>>337008345
I would fucking love for them to try again. Just build a console from scratch so you can keep it cheap and make sure it lasts 5-6 years and everything is locked fps and a good resolution.
No more garfix whoring, selling at a loss, unoptimized garbage.
>>337007868
It's still high end
Name me a single game it cant run maxed out at 1080p 60fps
>>336996535
But you can install windows on steam machines
>>337000476
Ah, the inevitable gimping
>280x is now on par to the 780/Ti, even beating the shit out of it in DX12 titles
>AMD usual driver issues -> gets fixed eventually
>Nvidia unusual driver issue pops up -> outright killing GPUs
>Maxwell leads in DX11 titles, but falls hard in DX12, the future
>DX12 issues, Async Compute issues
bwahahahaha
Intel + AMD is the right way, as of TODAY.
Nvidia Maxwell is gonna get rekt hard, and current / old AMD CPUs are just bull.
If you're looking to build new anytime soon just wait for Pascal / Polaris.
You could wait for Kaby or even Zen, but just get the Skylake. Zen would be a massive improvement over its older lines BUT I doubt it's gonna be a game-changer against Skylake,
>>337008508
Sadly, the frame rate is a developer error instead of a hardware lacking power.
I mean, if the sega dreamcast can have 90% of its games running at 60 fps locked, why can't the supposedly more powerful playstation 4 do it as well?
Also, i don't think its possible anymore, given how complex the shit got.
A GPU is basically a massive pile of specialized CPUs with a really smart task manager that gives every core a pixel/vertex position to work on, and send the final result to the ROPs.
>>337008590
Witcher 3 + Hairworks On
> GTX 980 stilll struggles on 45-55 fps
GTA V
> Game made to support up to 4K
> Includes options to use 4K textures and turning sliders all the way
> Have you tried messing with the advanced option settings?
>>337008932
It was more of a fever dream anyway. I'm also aware that it's the fault of developers as far as frame rate is conserned, it just irks me that so many games run like shit just so they can be eye candy. Which leads to hurr durr consoles are so weak can't runs games right.
>>337008719
Given the supposedly leaked benchmarks of the Zen cores, and how intel is not exactly improving the CPU performance that much, i think AMD will kinda reach intel.
But the killer feature of the Zen is the fact AMD just tasted the licensing blood and probably loved it.
You know that bullshit ARM does that anyone can manufacture an ARM CPU as long pays a fee per chip to em? AMD probably will do the same.
This will most likely get apple to switch almost instantly, just to have their fancy "advanced Apple AX1 System processor (tm)!"
>>336995406
>>336995406
>400 dollars PS4
>Have to change it for a 400 dollars PS4.5
>350 PC
450 dollars difference, you can buy a really nice card with that.
Not to mention, no Paid online(50 dollars), cheaper(or even free) games.
-Emulation
-Actual PC use
Also
>Implying the new PS4 will play 4K
Kek
>>337009091
The funniest part is that the developers would make games run just as shitty on high end PCs if they could, budget wise.
Just to have another 20 post processing filters.
>>337009069
>consoles can't even run W3 on stable 30 without hairworks
It's not even a contest, it's so fucking funny.
>>337008220
Is nobody going to answer this?
I take it there no way you can build a PC for $350 that will outperform a PS4 then.
>>337009558
The best i can do is remove the monitor from the list, given the fact you need one to run a PS4 as well, and if you claim that "you can use your existing HDMI enabled television for that", so can every PC on the market.
But even with that is at very least more 60$, which can be counter argued that "you would pay that in the PSN plus account to have online because its free on the PC", but can be counter, counter argued that the individual might not want to play online games, which can be counter, counter,counter argued with the fact games on PC are generally cheaper due the sales, thus you end saving the extra money on the long run which is only valid if you do want to buy enough games to get this discount in first place.
>>336996535
>Worse than a fucking mac.
That is factually incorrect. Apple does not allow any graphics drivers on their platform to support OpenGL > 4.1, and will not allow Vulkan at all in order to force developers to use their proprietary Metal graphics API which does not support a number of modern GPU features. Even the open source drivers for AMD hardware on Linux now support OpenGL 4.3 and perform faster than Apple's drivers. Apple's only advantage is in game library and that gap is rapidly closing as all the companies who used to do Mac ports are now increasingly focusing their efforts on Linux.
When developers start using Vulkan the current disadvantage Linux faces with developers porting DX games to other platforms will largely go away even for quick and dirty tool assissted ports like the Talos Principle whose Vulkan version runs much faster on Linux than Windows and faster than the DX11 version as well.
Once single board SOC based PCs and operating systems other than Windows catch on for gaming it will be over for consoles. All they are now are cheap low power single board PCs and the only reason they still survive is Microsoft's stranglehold on the PC market and their idiotic insistence that the only way you can get a modern gaming experience is either to buy into their console, or submit to their data mining and advertising initiatives with Windows 10.
>>337009069
>4k
>Moving goalposts from 1080p
>implying downscaling from 4k isn't fine on it
wew lad
>>337009861
Even if you remove the monitor, the rest of the components still add up and the final price is significantly higher than that of a PS4.
I was generous since I didn't include the price of a Windows licence either...
Just admit that consoles are much cheaper and easier to setup and maintain than PCs of equivalent specs.
I'm a PC gamer and I can admit this.
>>337001186
You have to pay for Windows 10 for new builds, its only upgrades of older machines that are free. His mistake is not spending $199 for the Pro version.
Do you really think PC is more up gradable than a console? Once it comes upgrade time you end up pulling all the guts out, some even getting a whole new case. How is that different than just buying a new console every gen?
>>337010064
Well, after the 100$ drop they indeed are.
But there's still the free online/cheaper games argument, but it varies a LOT with the actual usage of the system.
>>337010168
New console doesn't have backward compatibility or same OS on release
>tfw have to replace my PC pretty soon
I'm worried ;_; also I still haven't found a fucking job, goddamn
DRM isnt a problem unless youre a nigger that steals everything
>>337010168
You only get a new case if you want to.
ATX is ATX since 1990.
But unless you're running with AMD, you generally have to replace your Mobo, CPU and RAM which is indeed quite expensive as fuck.
>>337010205
Agreed.
I'd say consoles are probably better value for money if all you do is play games.
>>337010168
You don't pull all the guts out to install a new graphics cards or RAM stick. What are you talking about?
>>337008220
yeah, $350 for the rig and a used 22" 1080p monitor
minus the peripherals
but hey, you still need a decent 32" 1080p HDTV for the PS4 right? how much is that compared to some peripherals?
> bu-but I've already got a HDTV on the living room
Well, I've got several monitors and peripherals in my room durr
> but I play my consoles on muh monitors
Toplel
If anything
> a cheap multimedia keyboard + mouse is fucking $10
> don't tell me you don't have a decent pair of cans already, don't you listen to music dudebro?
> those sweetass Superlux cans are about $30, a generic mic is about $5, they beat the shit out of any $100 le gayming headsets
> wired XBox360 pad is around $30, $15 for a Logitech, hardly necessary
>>337009558
The PS4 does not use standard PC hardware, its built around a cheap budget SOC chip originally intended for the tablet market. That chip combines 8 of AMD's 'jaguar' cat cores with onboard graphics hardware. The closest you can get to that currently in the PC market are AMD's socket AM1 parts that have 4 of AMD's newest 'cat' series processor with onboard graphics hardware that isn't quite as powerful of the PS4 and which is further gimped by low memory bandwidth.
Next year AMD will be releasing new SOC parts based on their more powerful Zen CPU cores and their next-generation Vega graphics hardware with support for high-speed DDR4 memory. If these are priced similar to AMD's current higher-end APU hardware they should make a sub $400 console-killer viable. Especially when paired with AMD's next-generation driver for SteamOS which is and will likely remain Linux-exclusive.
>>336996241
better than any console?
Have you see how last generations how million of owner had it at 3 years of life cycle?
I have a gtx 960 and I fucking pissed developers decided to lock 2gb below gfx card to low texture.
>>337010365
Is trying to access the games you legally paid for 10 years ago stealing?
>>337010415
Actually, this discussion goes a bit more in depth than that, because there is the whole "gaming PC vs regular PC" argument that got a LOT harder now.
For example, a "regular PC" nowadays can run pretty much 98% of the good games available on PC if you count emulators, and well you probably already have it, and "just to play the newest shit", having a console may worth more, specially because you can use the console controller on your PC as well.
Actually i can see even another fun argument that splits from this one.
Having an Xbone can be a great way to avoid installing the virus called Windows 10 on your machine, but still enjoy its games AND having a good controller for your PC.
>>337010427
Show me a PC build that can outperform a PS4 for $350 or less that includes:
>case + fans
>motherboard
>PSU
>graphics cards
>CPU
>hard drive
>optical drive
That's it.
And I mean new components not used shit off Ebay.
>>337000119
>Better technical support
Anon my Tony Hawks PS5 patch isn't coming yet.
The PS7.5 will be $300 and will support 16K at 600 FPS
>>337010615
Why didn't you buy the 4GB 960, its not that much more expensive and its not that developers 'lock' the 2GB cards to lower textures its that it actually can't handle it.
Here's my ageing computer, lads.
I have £200, what do I upgrade first if I wanted to work around this build and slowly replace parts of it?
>>337010647
That depends what you mean by "regular PC".
If you're talking about my mum's laptop or the Dells in the office then you won't be running many games apart from Solitaire and Chess Titans.
You've got to remember that fewer and fewer people are buying PCs these days. They're switching to tablets and smartphones to satisfy their digital needs.
Gaming PCs are really a niche market within a niche market.
>>337010662
>graphics cards
PS4 doesn't have a graphics card, why would you expect to build a PC for the same price that does?
http://pcpartpicker.com/p/yDxkkL
No optical drive but why would you need it?
>>337010953
Just get a new graphics card and you're fine m8.
I suggest a 950 or 970 depending on your budget.
>>337011002
>PS4 doesn't have a graphics card, why would you expect to build a PC for the same price that does?
How is my PC going to outperform a PS4 if it doesn't have a graphics card?
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Lh2Tevkj2nQ
>All those buzzwords a 14 year old would say
>Another Console War thread
>>337009558
Dude look up I've already made a pcpartpicker list
Look up Eurogamer site or Youtube for DigitalFoundry, they have some of the better comparison videos
Essentially, an i3 + R7 360 / GTX 750ti
> performs a good 5 - 10fps better than a PS4, with some settings actually turned up a notch higher (usually AA, or LOD / view distance which is non-existent in consoles)
The Pentium G is cheaper and will deliver even similar to the PS4
More or less $380 for the Pentium G and $430 for the i3 (change the build for cheaper case etc)
Both with an R7 360 (no 750Ti because gimp and DX12 issue)
Yes it's a couple of tens of dollars more, and you'd still need peripherals and a monitor.
But how much are those compared to the cheapest 32" Full HD TVs? 1/3? 1/4?
>inb4 he plays it on the monitor
>>336999057
>CPU: around 200€
>GPU: 300€
>MOBO: 60€
>PSU: 60€
>RAM: 50€
>Case: 50€
>CPU Cooler: maybe 30€
>SSD with 500GB: 140€
makes 890€ and you have a machine that destroys the ps4 and xbone. You dont have to upgrade for a long time. You dont have to buy le gaming mobo and shit
>>337009317
I'm on your side you cuck.
>tfw 0, fucking ZERO FPS, Fallout 4 dips to ZERO FUCKING FPS on the Xbone
>Fallout 4 averages at 25fps on the PS4
> PS4 15fps average on Lichdom
Hey the Pentium G is pretty shitty by PC gaming standard but it won't stutter as much as the "le 8 core processing power AMD" APU of the PS4
>>337010959
Well, if i get a PS4 and a 3DS, i'm not missing any good games pretty much apart from super mario galaxy 1/2 that is sadly too much for my ancient machine.
>>337009942
Its not that apple forbid opengl > 4.1, its just that only apples drivers really work properly on OSX so nobody else bother.
Apple is a big player in khronos, its pretty likely for them to use vulkan later, we will know next month. Metal was just a way to get a low level API out before the competition.
>>337011487
>costs more than twice as much as a PS4 and three times as much as an Xbone
>destroys the PS4 and Xbone
Well no shit Sherlock.
That's like bragging about how your Lamborghini destroys those Fiat Puntos.
>>337000119
You forgot to list Exclusive Games and multitasking in the PC section
>>336995406
>>ps4.5 will be a $400 4k meme
It will probably be 4k capable, but nobody should expect it to be for anything but movies.
>>337011704
PC games are cheaper. You can get your pc games for half the price of a console game
>>337010019
> turning everything on @ 1080p is considered "maxed out"
> tfw there is still the advanced option settings not touched
> "maxing out" GTA V requires 4K content to be activated and turned on / all the way up
>le """maxed out"""" meme
fucking hate this shit
> "I've pretty much maxed the shit out of X game and I still got Z fps"
> mfw custom settings
> mfw FXAA / SSAO instead of MSAA/HBAO etc
>>337000119
there is so much wrong with this post it's not even funny anymore
>>337010064
>Just admit that consoles are much cheaper and easier to setup and maintain than PCs of equivalent specs.
It is.
> But what's stopping me from building an SFF Steambox / HTPC hybrid rig?
Hook it up to my HDTV on the living room, set up some wireless gamepads and let the kids play console ports, Emulators, and their fucking Minecraft / Gmod / Cuck of Doodledoo, any other AAA games or just some of the many gems of Indie titles
>>337010076
>noctua meme
>gamurr mobo
>gamurr ram
>1tb ssd instead of 250gbssd for windows + 4tb hdd
>paying more than 50 bucks for a fucking case
>paying for platinum psu instead of getting bronze with higher wattage
>paying full price for windows instead of getting $20 windows pro oem key or just activating with autokms
0/10 not sure if b8
>>337012635
meant for >>337000984
What can you build now on a budget of 400$ that could rival a PS4K like the potato masher?
>used FX 6300+mobo+12gigs of ram ~100$
>600W bronze+ PSU 40$
>new R9 290 for 230$
>buy a case and disk from someone for 30$
>>337005354
yeah lol wrong link on my early post
>>337008220
>>337010662
btw this >>337011002 isn't me
i'm the whole pentium g + r7 360 guy and the used part guy
I want to spend more than the cost of a PS4, but I want a system that is worse in every way.
Help me out, /v/.
>>337013395
Get a FM Towns.
It don't have the fuckton of great games like the PC, or even the possibility of offering some games you might like more than the PS4 ones.
>>337011030
why in the world would anyone suggests an Nvidia this day and age?
Nvidia Maxwell is going to get rekt
> DX12 and Async Compute issues, as more DX12 games comes out, Maxwell will decline while the AMD 300 series holds up, if not perform better than Maxwell 750 / 950 - 980/Ti
> Nvidia will gimp it, seriously, it's not a joke anymore
The gimping and DX12 issues will rekt Maxwell hard
> yfw new cards will have at least 4GB GDDR5X and HBM/2
> yfw new games are extremely VRAM hungry
> yfw GTX 970 gets destroyed
really, if you can't wait for GTX 1000s or AMD R 400s,
> get the r7 360 over the 750ti
> skip 370 / 950 entirely
> get the r9 380 over the 980
> skip 380x
> get the 8gb 390 over the 970
that's it, just hold on the 390 and don't bother getting anything better, just fucking wait for Pascal / Polaris' $400-600 lineups
>>337013395
Xbone with all the accesories
>>337013872
>DX12
>>337013872
woops, 960
380 > 960
>>337003084
Gary, Evan wanted me to remind you that you aren't supposed to break character when promoting our games on social media websites. This is your final warning.
>>337013216
fuck it won't let me post
http://pcpartpicker.com/p/xjnWnQ
testing
Pascal/Polaris when?
>>337010959
While it's true that OEM desktops are dying, that does mean that enthusiasts are a higher market share now. Normies aren't buying OEM desktops, and huge corporations are buying less work desktops, so ironically hardware companies are trying to appeal to gamers and power users even more since those two groups still buy hardware. Literally everything is marketed towards gamers these says.
>>337011218
An AMD APU could probably get you similar performance to a console, they're a pretty bad long term decision though. I remember buying an HP desktop years and it performed better than my 360, although to be fair it probably came out later.
>>337014260
>I'll have to downsample
That doesn't even make sense
>>337014260
A month. And they're already confirmed as only minor to moderate performance improvements over the last gen
>>337014260
>artist doesn't know what downsampling means
>>337000984
>165hz
It's time to say goodbye, my love.
>>337014917
If I overclock my monitor, can I make it run at 144hz?
The problem is while yeah, you can probably build some $400 ghetto rig, it doesn't offer a lot of long term value. Literally the whole benefit of a desktop is upgradability, so you should be trying to build a decent platform which will allow you to expand later when you get the money. You shoulld buy decent motherboard that isn't too out of date, a decent power supply that will allow you to upgrade your GPU in the future, and of course a case that will allow enough room for an SSD or larger GPU. If you have a good foundation you can always upgrade, having a shitty mobo especially can feel really limiting.
>>336995582
Yeah tell that to the WiiU lol.
Who is the mystical $350 PC console-"killing" PC build for?
Casuals don't care about it since they buy consoles purely for conveniece. It's just a barrier they have to jump through to play CoD/Fifa/GranTurismo/etc. No way in hell they will custom build a machine which in some cases uses second-hand parts. Fewer and fewer casuals buy pre-built towers because it's already too confusing or inconvenient to them in the first place, mostly going for laptops nowadays
Core players that like weeb games in general, or specific sony/nintendo franchises won't build that $350 PC because it won't run the games they want to play in the first place. They'll instead get a sony or nintendo system
PC enthusiasts won't waste $350 on that, but instead spend more for at least 3 to 4 years of future-proofing. Usually the sweet spot is between $800 and $1200 depending on where you live for a good new rig. Regardless, no PC enthusiast has a PC worse than that $350 build in the first place, even if they have a huge bottleneck like the GPU they'll just get a new GPU, not build a whole machine out of cheap shady parts.
Serioulsly, besides e-peening on /v/ or as a fun hobby, who would actually buy the $350 meme PC?
They MUST have know-how (on how to build pcs and where to buy parts) in the first place so that already narrows the target audience by quite a bit, removing the mass market from the equation.
All that's left are those who already only play (or mostly play) on PC and have a better rig already. Or those who already own the console of their choice with the non-PC games they want to play - even these people already own a PC and if they want to get into high-endPC gaming again all they need are specific new components to upgrade their old machine, not a whole new one.
>>337014621
I think he doesn't have a 1440p monitor, so he would have to run at that resolution anyway to be in the club, but that comic is retarded either way
>>337014260
Pascal 1070 / 1080 June? Probably starts shipping out globally but only really avaiable on the shelves by July / August.
Same goes with Polaris, however they'll debut with the mainstream lines - the 470 and 480 first.
The 1070 is $4xx, faster than a Titan X
1080 is faster than TWO 980, $5xx
480 is as fast as the 390x
So both sides promises similar improvements over their last gen lineups
PS4.5 would have something close to the 470, so probably something more or less in between the 960 / 380 and the 970 / 390
Same CPU/APU, but OC'ed to 2.1Ghz from 1.8 (IINM)?
Price brackets are similar to current lineups.
AMD Zen will feature only 6 & 8 cores CPU lineups of the same die, will release in Q3/Q4.
So probably no 4 cores CPU on the new FX lineups.
New APU / lower end AMDs CPU Q1-Q2 next year.
>>337009942
My 960 runs talos at 80+ fps maxed out.
Where are you getting this bullshit information?
>>337004420
actually, consoles dying would put the breaks ongame production
Just because there's no PS5/X2 doesnt mean the masses will hop onto PC. They'll move on to their tablets and handhelds
AAA games will stop raking in money, less people will enter the market, less games will be made overall
A future without home consoles is a future of nothing but Steam Greenlight and kickstarters for Android games
>>337014917
>thinking it's the actual refresh rate of the monitor in the first place
>forgetting lcds has inherently more input lag
>forgetting about pixel smear and ghosting
>thinking you can run games at 1440p above 170fps on a toaster
>$350 undertale and GBA emulator machine
>>337012635
>gamurr mobo
Every mobo is a gamer mobo now, unless you're buying a server mobo. I'm not sure how this happened really, but unless you buy an OEM your mobo is probably going to appeal to the gamer crowd.
>>337015012
144 is not a magic number
>>337011890
>PC games are cheaper.
>They could charge full price for indie pixelshit
>>337015261
Exactly the more you skimp on parts the more knowledge you need to have to know exactly to cut corners and not have a paperweight. Its fairly simple to a avid PC enthusiast or someone with some experience but for someone just trying to get into pc gaming? No fucking way. The only people qualified to build a budget PC with used or hand me down components are the guys probably building a decent or high end rig at already 800-1000 usd. The concept of a console killer is stupid in every way.
>>337000984
>If you think PS 4.5 will do 4k you're fucking delusional. PS4 can't even handle 1080 at a solid 30 FPS, like Bloodborne.
Not rendering in 4K m8, just upscaled.And possibly some games will be updated to support 60 FPS on it
Ex-console gamer here.
Man'd the fuck up and made my own PC. I thought it was just a meme but holy shit was I wrong.
I finally saw the light and converted. Fuck consoles.
>look at this console killer PC
>all parts are bought used or heavily discounted usually through ebay and it doesn't come with a keyboard,mouse,OS, or sometimes even a case
>p-PC master race
>>337015012
It depends. The nice thing about monitors is unlike CPU's and GPU's monitors always OC to the same value, so you can probably find info on the internet about how far you can go. Mine only goes to 76. Also keep in mind HDMI doesn't allow higher refresh rates that 60 unless you unlock it
>>337016085
t.console peasant
>>337000984
you'd think with all that money, you could pay someone to edit your shit
you need a bigger psu and no less than 32GB RAM if you insist on being cheap. 64 is ideal. Get a higher watt PSU and get some more fans goddammit, have you never put a PC together in your life?
Where is your thermal paste? I dont care if there's already some on the cooler, it's like 2$. And if you're going to pay for your OS, dont get Home, get Professional
>>337015604
>They'll move on to their tablets and handhelds
Those are only popular because they're mobile.
>>337016337
whats up poorfag
>all my parts have arrived
>too scared to actually build my new pc
>>337016085
> OS
If you're not an idiot you can still get legit copies of Windows 7 Pro for free since MS stop giving a fuck about it.
>keyboard and mouse
Literally 15 bucks.
http://www.amazon.com/AmazonBasics-Wired-Keyboard-Mouse-Bundle/dp/B00B7GV802/ref=sr_1_5?ie=UTF8&qid=1462803468&sr=8-5&keywords=keyboard+mouse+combo
Remind me how much a controller is if you plan to add a 2nd player?
>>337016540
that m+kb combo is not even worth $15 bucks
>>337016493
>>336995406
Where is the official statement that the PS4 Neo is 400USD?
Last time I heard it was likely to be 499USD.
Also it was only going to be around 280x performance.
>>337000881
>Arkham Knight
>a problem with PC and not development
>GTAO hacks
>" "
>Division hacks
>" "
>piracy
>being outplayed by Denuvo
>"it's worse on PC" -- [source not provided]
>betting scandals
Like.. account theft? Consoles don't have that because they don't have the microtransaction trade meta.
Consoles don't even have MOBAs.
>demographics
>relevant to a platform discussion
Consoles are the problem. Controls, performance and thus gameplay options, and even limiting game reception based on absolutely nothing. Some consoles even sell at a loss. What does a Wii U serve that wouldn't be better 3rd party? Nothing.
>>337015720
It's 6x 24hz which is the movie standard. I guess 120hz would be better considering all the shitty consoleports in the last 10 years, but when playing anything fast paced like shooters or racing games, the more the better.
>>337016835
>>336996535
>i5 and a 750. and that's gonna run you at least like 450 bucks for just them
Protip, a fresh i5 PC without a GPU is like $400 tops.
>>337008590
Forza 6 Apex
>>337016493
>make sure your RAM is the right direction
>You may have to use a lot of force on the GPU, be careful not to flex your mobo. Make sure it's in the 16x PCI-e slot.
>make sure you screw in the heatsink backplate before you screw in your mobo unless your case has a removable back panel
>use your manual for the fpanel shit
>cable management
>If using a boot USB for your OS, don't put it in the USB 3.1 port, you may not have the drivers yet (learned this form experience)
>>336996535
>800
>mid ranged
>>337017189
Watch how someone is going to try and move some goal posts by saying it's DDR3
>>336995406
>350 Euro gaming pc
Aren't average to decent graphics cards around 400-700$ alone?
>>337017385
>euro
the goal here is a build that outperforms consoles at the same price range
>>336996535
>>336997093
>>336997615
>>337005354
A 750ti performs / outperforms a PS4
>>337017385
That's the catch.
These fuckers expect you to pay $350 for a graphics card and then just assemble the rest of the PC from used parts that everyone supposedly has lying around in their basement somewhere.
It's fucking nonsense.
>>337017260
the ram and psu are fucked on that build
>>337017385
$300 will get you a 970 or 390 which is good for 1080p. Anything higher and you should probably look into 1440p or higher refresh rate.
If your goal is console performance (Why?) just buy a 950 for like $150.
>>336999057
>>cheap PSU
>>everything explodes
Meme.
>>337017385
>decent
no, you can always get a great graphics card for $250 and always play any game on high settings at 60 fps at whatever is the standard resolution
obsessing over getting 10% more image quality or framerate is what leads to spending twice as much.
>>336995406
I always laugh when I see these "CONSOLE KILLER" bundles
How much do I need to add to that £350 to get it to play Uncharted, The Last of Us, Ratchet and Clank, Nier 2, Gran Turismo etc?
>>337017385
No, that's top to enthusiast tier pricerange
>>337017385
no 350+ is top end graphic cards.. its just memers who spend their money to something like 980ti which is 2x more cost for 20% more power
>>337017661
Dude, the dollar bin movies are at any convenience store, just get some there.
>>337017661
This.
>drop $1000 on a gaming PC
>nothing to play except FPS and assfaggots
What's the point?
>>337017260
>buying a non-K CPU for gayming
Also get a better PSU.
>>337017594
>>337017809
>implications
>>337015261
Um, casuals?
> Dota 2 / MOBA gamers
> CS:GO and shit, Insurgency etc.
> COD kids, $350 PC actually runs console quality gameplay >60fps
> really, GMOD / Minecraft autismos
> Indie games man, Indieeeeeees
- Young kids that can't afford much
- Someone trying the PC Mustard Race meme for the first time, doesn't want to spend much
$350 rig would run OLD games like Skyrim + mods fine, which pretty much what attracts the non-PC audience, especially the younger ones
> muh mods, muh ENB, muh virtual whore
couple that with
> "i wanna be an e-celeb gaymur" meme wannabe kids / teen / everyone
$350 starter pack is perfect
Get one for Christmas, and the next Christmas get a $350 worth of upgrade
Mitigate the cost by selling the old parts, you'd get an extra $100, now the kids have $450 to spend
Going from a
> Pentium G / Core i3
> R7 360 / GTX 750Ti
Upgrading to
> Core i5
> R9 380 / GTX 960
Is a pretty big improvement
And if it's something like today, you'll be jumping to an 480 instead of the 380, getting something close to an 390x performance.
You're going from something on par / slightly better than a console.
To something that is definitely a step or two ABOVE the consoles.
As much powerful the new PS 4.5 would be, it would never be as powerful as an i5 + 390x / 980.
The PS 4.5 APU - is the same CPU, only OC'ed by x1.3, and the GPU, which is key, performance is doubled.
So if it can't even beat the 360 / 750ti, TWICE of it barely touches the 390 / 970.
>>337017798
I never know if these posts are funposting or sincere
>>336995406
>now the Vram trick is making all 2gb gfx cards obsolete
what did he mean by this
>>337015731
>>337015261
It's a jab on how awful the hardware of the new consoles is that at release date you could just go out there and buy a PC for less that performs better as a mass produced ultimate one-purpose gaming machine by two of the biggest corporations in the IT world
>>337008690
should you have to do that shit if you're buying it to replace a console? you don't have to do that shit on a PS4.
>>337017934
I'm not trolling.
The games I want to play don't come out on PC.
>>337017931
See >>337017563
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OaROihWWdE0
>>337017765
>le PS4 movie meme
>*double clicks on Dota 2*
Heh you got me
>*alt F4s back to the desktop*
PC truly is the superior platform
>*double clicks League of Legends*
Plebs just don't understand
>*opens Heroes of the Storm on the second monitor*
nothin personal, console scum
>*watches somebody play Smite on the Twitch app*
>>337017984
>sony is an "IT" company
i swear the teens who use this board these days are retards
>>337017984
The 360 and PS3 were really good hardware for the time, problem is 7th gen lasted way too long. Unfortunately Microsoft and Sony got lazy and release pure garbage for 8th gen.
>outdated hardware on release
>most games are like 900p/720p and 30fps
>so bad both are forced to do a mid-gen refresh
This is the gen where console makers literally gave up I guess.
>>337018180
That's cool
That doesn't change that there's literally thousands of games available on PC, with whole genres that consoles will never know
>>337017603
>just buy a 950
But that alone is above half of a PS4's price, in total it would be more expensive. What would be the point in that?
>>337018224
damn that is some terrible texture pop-in, is that just GTA V in general or just something wrong with their build?
>>337017931
>Um, casuals?
Ah, ok, you didn't read the post, that's alright.
Which casual will learn to build a pc, and knows where's best to buy weirdly specific cheap parts? And which parts to avoid (there are a lot, even in RAM there is stuff you want to avoid and get something else even though on paper they are exactly the same but manufacturers vary and some send out dead units or have other problems you'd have to read on forums to know about)
You also talk about LoL kiddies. Again, which middle school kid that just wants to play minecraft and LoL would learn about a cheaup PC build, which is just as hard if not harder than knowing how to build a decent PC?
Next time please read the post.
And stop projecting you own experience onto others, especially the mass market. You and I know how to build a PC and from experience, practice, anecdotal evidence, forum lurking, and video comparisons we know wha'ts best to get or to avoid, and what's the best cost-to-performance component, and if this or that MOBO is good enough for the next 3 years, etc.
Like I said, there is no target audience for the $350 build
You are a PC enthusiast pretending like you are a kiddie who somehow understands the ins and outs of PC building, which I must say once again, building a GOOD cheap PC is harder than a more expensive one, especially if you get into discounted or second hand parts, it's much easier to fuck up real bad.
>>337015623
Does your mobo have plugs for extra fans?
That's a gamer board
Does your mobo have a PCI-E 16x lane?
That's a gamer board
Does your mobo have red color on it?
GAYMERBOARD, BRO
>>337018257
I didn't say it was an exclusively IT company, I said it's a huge corporation and among other things it dabbs in hardware and software, so fuck you buddy.
>>337018180
Are there even any good games on console anymore? Yeah, guess Bloodborne but Dark Souls 3 is pretty cool too. Why play Uncharted when Rise of the Tomb Raider is like the same game but looks prettier, plus Lara ass instead of Drake ass? The WiiU is completely worthless outside Splatoon and Bayonetta 2, Zelda U confirmed for NX making the WiiU possibly the worst console since the fucking 3DO. Most Xbone games are on Windows Botnet Edition except for Halo, but Halo 5 was underwhelming. Everything else is multiplats.
>>337018419
I'm 100% sure how viable Logical Increments are here's the 950 builds they included on their chart.
PS4's are currently 530$
>>337017563
>2016
he still doesn't know it
what? you think the PS4 runs everything on Ultra?
topFUCKINGkek
PS4
>high textures
>med/high shadows
>low.med waters
>none to low AA
>non-existent AF
>LOD /. View Distance? NONE.
>struggles to stay above 30fps
>averages at 25-30fps
Core i3 + 750Ti
>high textures
>medium shadows
>low/medium water
>medium AA
>fucking AF
>fucking LOD, 10-15% more view distance
>40-45fps average
>>337018754
you referred to sony as one of the biggest corporations in the IT world
this is simply factually wrong by every metric, not only are they not an IT corporation but sony is absolutely dwarfed in size by serious IT corporations
>>337017809
>Overclocking meme
I have that same CPU and a lowe GPU (960) and it performs great for gamming.
OC, SLI and CF are just memes created by marketers to make you shed more money.
