People are actually defending this.
People actually think this is a good idea.
People are actually wondering why there are so many people "jumping ship."
Console gaming is dying. Later guys, I'm going to PC. I went to consoles to avoid routine hardware upgrades, so now That Sony/Nintendo/MS is pulling this cocky shit there's no reason to stick around.
why is this a bad thing?
Do people with 4k TV's actually feel the need to go out and buy another PS4?
>THEY FELL FOR THE PS4 MEME
nobody even knows what it is yet
>a 300 dollar console bad
>a 600 dollar graphic card good
why
>>336948154
No one's jumping ship, bitch nigga
>>336948154
I don't own a next gen console so I'm happy this is coming out because that means the orginal PS4's price will drop and I can get it for dirt cheap. Then again, I have PC so there's a chance I still won't buy a new console.
>>336948154
Then don't get every console that comes out dumb ass
>>336948154
>Console gaming is dying.
Console gaming is actually bigger than it has ever been.
Meanwhile PCucks continue begging for butchered console ports and playing F2P ASSFAGGOTS MMOs, pixelshit, and cuckold simulator.
All the good PC devs like blizzard, bioware, valve, westwood, maxis, interplay and bullfrog are dead as fuck.
>>336948634
Because if you're going to spend $600 you might as well buy something worthwhile. Even a $300 graphics card is a better option than the ps4.
>>336948154
>NEW 3DS is announced
>/v/ has no problem with it
>No shitposting in sight
>Active shilling for nintendo
>PS4K rumor pops up
>/v/ chimps the fuck out
>Shitposting about Sony and Sonyfanbase for months and no end in sight
>Spreading FUD for free
Explain this to me /v/
>>336949123
>Console gaming is actually bigger than it has ever been.
still smaller than the entirety of the PC market
>>336949171
Only if you extent it to offices and facebook/F2P gaming.
>>336949268
>if its F2P it doesn't count
>PC gamers upgrade their video cards every 1-3 years
>it's ok when we do it!
Not to mention the GTX 1080 is the price of 2-3 PS4's.
>>336949171
False.
>>336949268
>free-to-play gaming doesn't count because I say so
facebook/social games aren't even included in the "PC gaming" numbers, they're lumped into the "social games" catagory.
>>336949126
But what can I do with a $300 GPU that I can't with my $300 console.Play games you dumb fuck, the gpu can't do that on its own now can it?
>>336949126
well yeah you're going to be spending $300 dollars on a single component instead of a complete machine
>>336949338
>>336949391
>I defend F2P because its prevelant on my cuck plattform
wew lad
>>336949407
>But what can I do with a $300 GPU that I can't with my $300 console.
play games at higher and better resolutions, frame rates and graphic proportions
support more than 1 monitor
use it to process extremely heavy tasks, like using adobe after effects with CUDA support.
Your PC has so much more functionality beyond the GPU too, running a server, having things like real VOIP and online services out the ass.
You're simply going to be able to do more than you ever could with a console at a fraction of the price especially when you don't have to pay for online pay wall bullshit
>>336948823
I'm telling you man, this is the slippery slope towards consoles being treated like mobile phones where a hardware upgrade gets released every year.
>>336948154
Except PC gaming is even more shit.
>>336948154
>When pc does it its alright.
Since when was fastest selling console of all time a sign of consoles dying?
Since when was it a bad thing that there are more options for consumers?
Nice try pcuck bastard face.
>>336949498
>it doesn't count because its F2P
>no, don't include games like WarGaming with World of Tanks and World of Warships, they don't count because I said so
>>336949158
/v/ did freak out, dumbass. People thought there would be a lot more exclusives, and they're fucking retarded for even thinking that.
>>336949609
Oh yea and your PC can actually multitask, the fucking PS4 can't multitask anything
>>336949701
World of tanks is on console tho
>>336949701
>the hallmark of PC gaming exclusives
HAHAHAHAHAHA
>>336949692
It was never alright.
Now that consoles are doing it I don't see what the point is staying with more limited hardware, even with the upgrade.
>>336949814
Are you going to count it on console because it fits your artifical narrative?
>>336949849
>they don't count because I said so
>>336949701
>Literary whose
How about you rather play some real games. Oh right you are a poorfag.
>>336949354
That's been the price of PC gaming forever though, which is the point. PC has always been like that
With consoles there was always a trust of 6~ years of solid support on one cheap hardware box, with maybe some upgrades like the N64 expansion pak and stuff
>>336949916
>those games don't count because they're not "real" to me
>>336949881
Just odd to bring it up when its not exclusive
>>336949123
This is sadly true. PC-gaming died about 10 years ago.
That hordes of console players have grown up and bought their first PC do not give them standards nor taste.
They buy PCs only to play console ports with better graphics.
>>336950018
It doesn't have to be exclusive to be apart of an industry
The PC gaming industry doesn't revolve around exclusives.
>>336949609
Nice essay now go back and read my spoilers. It really doesn't matter how closely your PC resembles the bullshots. But you keep pretending these toys are actual hobbies.
>>336949123
DELETE THIS
>>336950086
>it died 10 years ago
k, keep spewing memes fucko
>>336949789
>/v/ did freak out, dumbass.
Y-yeah, w-we totaly s-showed n-nintendo who is t-the b-boss!!!
>>336950170
>5 lines
>essay
>>336949643
But I don't care about consoles as evidence by the fact I said I have yet to buy a next gen console and still might not buy a PS4 even when the vanilla version is cheap because of the newer version.
IMO, console gaming has been dead. I'd only buy a console to play certain exclusives and that would warrant the console needing to be very cheap. Just no other reason to buy a console when I can play in on a PC with mods, better graphics, ect. Also, pirating.
>>336950181
What percentage of that is from LoL skins and facebook games?
What's the problem?
You aren't forced to buy it
>>336949854
So its not alright that Nvidia is releasing their new graphics card lineup?
sm fucking head senpai
>>336950359
>it doesn't count because it includes LoL
according to a few simple google searches, Riot as a whole made about 1.6b dollars, but it doesn't break down how much LoL made itself.
so 1.6b out of a 24b industry is about 6%
>>336950181
Have there EVER been less high quality games made for the PC? Ever?
That is what I actually care about. I don't give a flying fuck how much F2P crap or multiplats sell.
>>336950438
You're also not forced to buy the newest mobile phone but everyone does it anyway.
>>336950510
http://www.cnbc.com/2016/01/26/digital-gaming-sales-hit-record-61-billion-in-2015-report.html
According to this, PC gaming alone was 34b in 2015 so that percentage is even less to about 4%
>>336950532
>NO THEY DONT COUNT BECAUSE I SAID SO, THEYRE NOT UP TO MY MADE UP STANDARDS OF WHAT EVER "QUALITY IS"
>>336950280
Oh sorry it's like 15 lines on mobile so looks like an essay to me.
Gaming is just dead. Too overly saturated with narrow minded people and money grubbing business people. I suggest we all take up basket weaving and power lifting.
>>336950532
>all I care about is the games I choose that count or not
>>336948154
People defended GameBoy Color
People defended DSi
People defended New 3DS
It is literally no surprise that people are defending PS4.5 and XBone.5
>>336950748
It's becoming shovelware at this point, just wait it out I guess just like last time.
>>336948154
It's not a bad thing, I don't have a PS4 so this'll either mean I'll get better performance or just buy a $200 normal PS4.
>>336950885
Gameboy color was 100% comptabile with Gameboy Pocket games
The original DS was 100% compatible with old Gameboy advance, color and pocket games too
>>336950748
I really hate morons like this, the late 70's and early 80's were MUCH worse than it is today.
Fucking leave gaming then, faggot, nobody will miss you
>>336949609
Shut the fuck up you dumb faggot.
The PS4 came out almost 3 years ago and you STILL can't build a functional PC that outperforms it for under $400. And new PS4s can be found for $300 too.
>>336950791
That's how life works. You care about the things you care about and fuck everything else.
>>336949643
So maybe consoles will catch up to phones and run 4k@30fps before the end of this decade.
>>336950698
>mobile poster
>console user
>small attention span
Yep. It all checks out.
>>336950181
It's true and you'd know it if you weren't a teenager. All of that growth is from microtransactions.
I've always used a PC and console for games ever since Doom and Super Mario. But the sad truth is that the state of PC gaming has never been worse.
I'm more mad that people aren't treating this like it's the Wii U to thr PS4's Wii. Wii U was literally just an HD Wii with improved hardware and a goofy fucking controller.
>>336950885
>introducing color to handhelds for the first time equates to 4k gaming
>people call nintendo fans nintendrones
>meanwhile sony fans are excited for this
>meanwhile the top selling console is a console with literally no games
>meanwhile sony fans will lap this shit up because SONY ALWAYS WINS BABY
I don't understand
I mean Nintendrones are bad but this is a new level
>inb4 b-b-b-buh sony
why is it okay when sony fans do it?
>>336950949
Are you trying to tell me that the PS4K/4.5/neo won't play current PS4 games? Because that's wrong, all PS4 games will run on both.
>>336948634
Or just buy a cheaper video card. Options are nice
>>336951241
Shut the fuck up you dumb faggot.
The PS4 came out almost 3 years ago and you STILL can't find a functional game that outperforms it in PS4. And new PS4s can be found for $400 too.
>Fixed for you with love
>>336951857
>he honestly believes this
>>336951423
How is that witcher 3 4k going m8?
What about The division 4k?
top kek
>>336950695
>>336950791
So the answer is..?
Consoles (after NES) have always been corporate, casual cancer, but PC used to actually be good.
Games actually pushed available tech to the breaking point and every facet and uniqueness of the platform was utilized to make a better experience.
We even had communities around games and servers back in the day.
Now everything must work on the weakest console and be controlled with a fucking analog stick. Your mid-end intel from 6 years ago don't even break a sweat.
PC gamers today have to fight for things that were standard in the fucking 90s.
VR may actually change this, but I don't have much hope.
>>336951106
The 90's and early 2000's are the better anyway. Gaming is becoming shitier and shitier since the launch of the 360. Not that all games are bad but even nowadays good games looks like something amateur comparing with them (especially PC games).
>>336950196
What are you doing?
There are 100$ graphicscard which outperform consoles you idiots
>>336951947
If you're gonna save money on a GPU you may as well play on a console.
>>336951809
>implying any console nowadays have worthwhile exclusives
You better buying an AMD APU and playing Last Gen games.
>>336951990
You're dumb enough to don't believe this obvious thing.
>>336949609
True but you have to factor in the cost associated with extra time. With PC you have to buy the parts, have them shipped, weld it together, install Windows and graphics card drivers, install the game... In literally ten minutes you can have ps4 up and running. I'm a bushy guy and I don't have time to do all the pC shit.
>>336949158
nintendo has consistently released updated versions of their handhelds since the fucking gameboy, fuckstick. the only problem with the n3ds is the godawful name.
>could I get a new 3ds?
>alright, here you go
>no, not a new 3ds, a new NEW 3ds
>*que copper smell*
>>336952254
Why? How about if I want to decide between graphical fidelity vs framerate? What if I want multi monitor support? Mods, steam sales and bundles? What about using whatever controller I want? Or having access to mouse input for fps and strategy games. What if I don't want to pay to play online? I want emulation, and two decades worth of backlog. I want my system to be easily upgradable at my own pace on my own terms. I want to be able to multi-task and do non-gaming related things. I want access to more peripherals along with legacy support. I want rts/strategy and simulators.
Why not just get a PC and perhaps upgrade later? The only thing I can think of is exclusives, and this gen has been devoid of meaningful numerous exclusives anyway.
>>336952650
>implying you have a PS4 running in 10 minutes.
After the 1 hour update and the countless game update only to be playing games at a terrible framerate.
>>336948154
every console for the past million gens had a console that was an "upgraded" or "slimline" version. Come talk to me when it has exclusive games. We'll walk hand-in-hand with pitchforks.
>>336953016
This guy just listed some of the reasons why it's better to get a PC.
>>336948808
Just traded my PS4 into Amazon last week, actually.
I got $194.
The trade-in price has already dropped to $164.
>No one's jumping ship, bitch nigga
Lol
>>336952650
>weld
>people don't want their consoles to be as good as PCs
>>336952650
>Weld it together
I hope that was a joke.
Cost associated with extra time? Building a computer isn't a chore. It's interesting, and it caters to the hobby we all share on thevideogames[/ spoiler] board. I can't grasp how some of you are so technologically incompetent that you are under the impression that building a computer is difficult whatsoever.
Having PS4 set up in ten minutes? Sure. Why not.
Picking and choosing every part for your very own personalized machine and assembling it? That alone is worth it. Also, an impressive machine after using such a shitty one is such an amazing breath of fresh air. Seriously, if any anons reading this is considering building their own PC, do it. It's so worth it.
>Sony/Nintendo/MS is pulling this cocky shit there's no reason to stick around.
>I'm going to PC
Good man. Even the so called "physical copies of games" nowadays are nothing more than installation files with a keycode on a cheap printed CD that still needs to be patched. Console gaming is just scam after scam. All these fucking idiots who think it's funny trying to convince people to settle for proprietary DRM, shit hardware, and to pay monthly asshole tax for the privilege to play online on said shit hardware, are out of their minds. I wish you good luck, and prosperity in your future endeavors.
Don't let these shills, and swindlers just trying to protect their petty bullshit investment dissuade you from looking out after yourself.
>>336953779
I fucked up.
Point's still there
>>336948154
Haven't bought a PS4 yet, haha fuck you cucks.
>>336949354
>Not to mention the GTX 1080 is 5 or 6 time better than a PS4's.
>>336953779
>do it. It's so worth
Seriously, this. I was console only forever. Built a PC two years ago and Jesus I can't imagine going back. I still get consoles for some exclusives but my god console only is not the way to enjoy this hobby. Do it for yourself.
>>336954052
Seriously, I can't fathom how people are so ignorant towards it either. Just admit you don't want to bother using your fucking brain and researching parts.
But yeah, 100% something I would recommend. Even with just an i5 and 970, the difference is literally insane. Made me question how I ever dealt with anything less
>>336949609
You're forgetting about the yearly upgrades and additions. I payed 200 for a ps4 and that'll hold me over for at least another 5 years. You on the other hand will pay hundreds (if not thousands) more in that same stretch of time for superficially better experience and far more effort. I want to play games, not take up an expensive and problematic lifestyle. For that same reason I'm not buying the ps4k either.
>>336953797
Literally no PS4 game is a code within the box. The only exception is when you buy a console that comes bundled with the game in some cases.
Didn't you get the memo that Sony mandated that all games should be playable offline and traded with eachother?
You pcucks are so fucking desperate.
PS4 was destined to Force a upgrade.
Its does what the PS3 promised.
PS3 games at 1080p 60 fps.
But the fact is msot games on it cant even run at 1080 p above 30 fps.
>>336953703
>he thinks it's going to be as good as pc when it's released
Maybe if you're willing to settle. PC gaming is a monster that's constantly evolving and constantly dragging the rest of the gaming industry kicking and screaming into the future. When the gaming industry relied on console hardware manufacturers last gen, it stagnated to the point of doing actual damage. This is why Microsoft and Sony had to turn away from Motorola and IBM for this currentgen of consoles, and stumbled over each other to try to make deals with nVidia and AMD/ATi, because they were the only ones pursuing x86 architecture aggressively and continually improving performance, due to their "PC gaming" nature, which revolves around constant improvement.
>>336954258
Or maybe I just don't see any point in building a desktop.
I got a PS4 as a gift a year ago, and it runs every major new release (minus MS exclusives and Nintendo exclusives) and has its own exclusives to boot.
I have a laptop that runs any emulator I want, and can play all strategy/point-and-click/text-based games I want. I also have all my old consoles and all my old games.
The only benefit of a desktop PC to me is better performance, and I honestly don't care that much.
>>336954394
>yearly upgrades
No? I build a PC 2 times more powerful than the ps4. My PC stays 2 times more powerful than the ps4 for the whole generation (5-6 years). The parts don't start performing worse over time.
I upgrade when my hardware is outdated. Just like you with the ps5, then the 6,7,8 etc
> console gaming is dying
There's a huge line-up of games for ps4, 3ds & vita
Your brain cells are dying
>>336953779
>being this autistic about a pc
Go outside anon
>>336954652
>The parts don't start performing worse over time
No, but devs stop optimising for your hardware and make it harder and harder for you to run new games, even on low settings.
Meanwhile, consoles will still be able to run those same games because they have dedicated optimisation, even if they're considerably less powerful than your build of the same age.
Don't be dense.
>>336953797
>Le glorious masterrace
>>336953779
>picking and choosing every part yourself is worth it.
Sounds like a bunch of work to me. Now the 1080 and 1070 is coming out and royally shits on previous hardware.
PC gaming is so fucking dead kek.
>>336954927
That's good and all, but let's shift the focus back to PC anon.
>>336954818
Says the guy who can't write a detailed response
>>336954830
>devs stop optimising for your hardware and make it harder and harder for you to run new games
maybe shit devs, and we know what eventually happens to shit developers.. right?
>>336954953
>Sounds like a bunch of work to me
>>336955184
Who arent shit devs?
>>336955184
>maybe shit devs
Every dev, anon.
Try getting MGSV to run on a 2006 build. You will have an incredibly hard time.
Yet, the same game runs on PS3. Why? Because devs don't optimise for old hardware, but they do support consoles.
>>336954590
The sheer amount of accessibility alone you get from gaming on a PC as opposed to a ps4/xboner is enough of a reason to switch over.
Also, classic PC games like Diablo 2, AoE2, HoMM3 etc, makes it just as worth it.
In general, if you have the money and spare time, consider it. I don't care about convincing people, but i think it's a worthwhile point to make and many would agree with me.
>>336954953
What's wrong with having the freedom to pick and choose what components you include in your machine?
Moreso, what's wrong with hardware being consistently upgraded? Having a superior option, if you have the money? The ps4 equivalent GPU has the power of a PC i used 5 years ago.
Yeah, it's so dead. Looks like you didn't see the industry estimates graph earlier in the thread.
There is some precedent for upgraded play stations, the ps3 Slim's had some performance enhancement over the original ps3, though not significant as the ps4k will have.
>>336955393
But there's your issue. Why would anyone want to run MGSV on a 2006 build, that's a genuine question.
>>336955528
Because it runs better than PS4.
>>336948154
i haven't bought a ps4 yet, and I'm pretty sure that's the case for a majority of /v/.
If I do ever get one (and I will eventually, because if it's anything like the ps3, the games will be flooding out very soon, or already have), I like having the option of getting the 4.5
>>336954953
pcpartpicker.com
>tfw you mostly ignore new games and just play old weeb shit
>Ps4 will probably be the last console you ever purchase
>>336955610
Then if a 2006 build runs better than a PS4, wouldn't you just make a more modern build more suitable for the dev's optimization?
>>336955454
>The sheer amount of accessibility alone you get from gaming on a PC as opposed to a ps4/xboner is enough of a reason to switch over.
What do you mean "accessibility"?
I can buy any new game I want, pop the disk in, and after maybe two minutes of updating to the latest version, jump right in. If I buy digitally, I jump in as soon as the download is finish, which I'm guessing is the same for Steam too.
So what do you mean? Do you mean choice in controller? Because I can use a KB&M on my PS4, and I can remap my controls entirely. So other than using a 360 controller (which I can use on my 360, for last gen games), I have quite a lot of accessible options there too.
>Also, classic PC games like Diablo 2, AoE2, HoMM3 etc, makes it just as worth it.
I already said I have a laptop that can play these games. Hell, I'm always playing AoEII.
These aren't enough reasons for me to switch.
Frankly, all I still see is the performance upgrade; which, again, doesn't matter all that much to me.
>>336955528
>the point
>your head
>>336955393
>Try getting MGSV to run on a 2006 build
>2006 build
Why would I do that when there's hardware upgrades available on PC?
>Yet, the same game runs on PS3. Why? Because devs don't optimise for old hardware, but they do support consoles.
It runs on your toy shitbox because it's a barebones subpar pc which doesn't do anything but run games. It doesn't even have a robust OS, just enough to get it working and keep you pressing a few gamepad buttons
Anyway, I know you're "PC illiterate" and all you know is "Steam and Alienware" because your mind works like consumerist trash and all you know is buzzwords and brand names, but you can achieve a similar effect by disabling unwanted backward services on a PC while you play your games, which you probably don't even know wtf I'm talking about and it's probably too much for you to handle, because you sound like the type of mouth breather who also needs to be told "which is the current cool game everyone is playing!" otherwise you just sit there wondering what you should play next.
>>336955848
>>Ps4 will probably be the last console you ever purchase
Yeah right. I told myself this like 10 years ago
>>336956148
The point was that you don't need to upgrade on console, because devs optimise for them.
Meanwhile, a build that completely blows consoles out of the water now, will struggle to run games even on lowest settings come the end of the gen. Yet those same games will still run on those considerably weaker consoles. Why? Optimisation.
Way to miss the point, fuck head.
>>336954590
Great you can play old games and emulators. You can't run modern games. You can't upgrade. You don't get the best benefits of PC gaming you just get some on some shitty overpriced laptop you could have put towards a real build.
If you're fine with settling for the lesser experience than so be it. You aren't an enthusiast and you don't care to be one. No one will fault you for that. It's this newfound ideology in this board that console is the way to go and PC is a waste that's obnoxious.
>>336956072
>I have a laptop
This is your "console and idort" master race usual setup:
*old laptop you got from dad when he bought a new one
*TV in your bedroom is the one that used to be in the living room, passed down to you when dad bought a new one to watch his sports games
*PS4 you got on christmas from your parents
You use your shit laptop while you sit on your dad's couch or lay down on your bed to shitpost on /v/ about "how much pc gaming sucks and console gaming is so much better and comfier!"
>>336956498
>You can't run modern games
But that's what I have a console for.
>You aren't an enthusiast and you don't care to be one
And you're the one to determine who's an enthusiast and who isn't, are you?
So because I play primarily on console, which offers certain games you will never see outside of console, I'm not an enthusiast? Well, alright. Sure thing, pal.
>>336956072
>Modding
>Alternative VOIP
>Steam workshop, steamworks
>Vulkan/DX12 coming out
>Ability to emulate(even if in your specific situation this doesnt appeal to you, this is a major point)
>ability to do things other than videogames at a media processing level
>MKB for FPSes/anything that requires precision (again, even in your specific situation I doubt very many people are going to hookup a mkb for their ps4 very often, and at that, have a suitable mouse with a dpi higher than 200)
>Hundreds of fantastic titles otherwise unavailable to consoles (Laptop, I know, still your situation is a bit of a minority.)
>Torrents
>Performance
>ability to tweak performance
>Generally a larger sense of freedom because PCs are not just for videogames and a powerhouse PC is a very beneficial thing to own
Just off the top of my head. I'm sure I could think more if i bothered to sit here a little more.
>>336956569
>this projection
Keep it up, pal.
I bought my laptop when I left for uni, I did in fact get my PS4 as a gift, but I paid for my TV myself when I received a raise last year.
Not everybody still lives with their parents, but don't let that knock your strawman down.
People are actually defending this.
People actually think this is a good idea.
People are actually wondering why there are so many people "jumping ship."
Console gaming is dying. Later guys, I'm going to PC. I went to consoles to avoid routine hardware upgrades, so now That Sony/Nintendo/MS is pulling this cocky shit there's no reason to stick around.
>>336954830
No? My current build will outperform the ps4 and be on par with the ps5. Nothing's changing that. Jesus, consolefags think "optimization" is some magic word that wins them arguments. It's turning down graphical settings.
>>336956423
>The point was that you don't need to upgrade on console
Not even the majority of console gamers settle for shit resolutions and bullshit framedrops indefinitely, that's why they ran out to buy a PS4, which proves your argument is bullshit and you're full of shit.
>>336956971
Try playing MGSV on a 2006 build.
Try playing MGSV on a PS3.
Come back and let me know which one runs the game.
>>336948154
>mfw all I see is cheap base ps4 systems to play Nier Automata
>>336957063
>new console cycle is the same as buying upgrades
One is necessary after a decade, the other is necessary after 3-4 years.
>>336948154
Im not even going to go PC, at least not now.
My interest in video games if dwindling due to constant censorship and SJW pandering, and with this bullshit on top on it? I don't even have to make an effort to quit, I just won't be assed to care anymore.
Ive been picking up other hobbies such as reading books, manga, and video editing. I don't need vidya anymore.
>>336956904
>I did in fact get my PS4 as a gift
>but don't let that knock your strawman down
way to prove him wrong, anon...
It depends on if there are any benefits above just having 4k. I don't have a 4k tv so I don't give a fuck about that, but if the new one offered the same ps4 games at 60fps vs 30 I would be tempted to upgrade if Sony offered a decent trade in program for people with the regular PS4. If it was $100 or less to trade in I'd probably end up doing it, again only if it has more benefits than just having 4k
>>336949158
new 3ds had a minor cpu boost in comparison, neo has double the fucking power in the graphics card alone
>>336957224
>necessary
PC is the only "currentgen" platform with actual backward compatibility. People buy new hardware because THEY WANT BETTER HARDWARE, they don't settle for shit hardware like you do.
Just because there's new hardware doesn't mean you have to buy it. PC is the same thing, they just got a new gpu making their old ones obselete and they'll buy it in droves because hardware is more important than software.
If you feel inclined to buy a NEO or feel like you have to buy one because your current PS4 is obsolete, just go become a PC clown. The neo is still going to be cheaper than the single component upgrades from Nvidia any way
>>336956703
Ok kid
>>336957259
>throw a bunch of shit at the wall
>one piece sticks
>HAHA SEE! I WAS RIGHT!!! HAHA
>>336957224
Well apparently now a console cycle is 3-4 years so I don't see the difference?
It's just so that people can play 4K, not like it's going to make the PS4 obsolete. My fucking television couldn't even do 4K if I wanted a new PS4, so it's a non issue for me and I'm sure a lot of others.
>>336957409
Nice retort.
>>336957390
You're the only clown here buddy.
My argument wasn't that I feel obligated to upgrade, it's that if the Neo gets enough support then it will encourage cyclic upgrading to become a standard thing.
If I wanted to pay money to upgrade then I might as well have the options to get the best quality out of the game as I can. With consoles you just can't do that.
>>336957709
Nintendo literally built the N64 to receive upgrades and it didn't even come close to becoming a standard thing, it'll be okay.
>>336952996
So, basically "it's OK when Nintendo does it"?.
>>336957515
It's just as substantial as yours. Just shorter.
>>336957903
Exterior add-ons aren't even in the same ballpark as actual hardware upgrades.
>>336957453
DELETE THIS
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>>336957390
>Just because there's new hardware doesn't mean you have to buy it.
Maybe not. But maybe it will. I see a future where games are optimized and developed with the NEO in mind and where the PS4 starts getting shitty, downscaled resolutions, models, and textures.
More importantly, though, they'd all be coming out at around the same time. The NEO, the NX, and the Xbox 2. It suddenly becomes a console war. People who would otherwise have been on PS4 consider upgrading - but the game has changed. Maybe the new Xbox is getting some cool exclusives. Maybe the NX is great and actually has FIFA. This could easily be a whole new generation. Sony loosens their policy on forcing games to be on both NEO and PS4, because the NX actually has some pretty sick graphics, or because the Xbox has no such policy. There's nothing differentiating these new consoles from actual new consoles now.
It's probably nothing. It could be something, though.
>>336957709
It is already a thing though with Nintendo consoles but millions still stick with them for the software and their ecosystem. These incremental upgrades aren't full on hardware revisions like what Nintendo dose though, they don't make the current models obselete, there's a huge difference.
Current models will still get the 10+ year support that previous models have all gotten, that's not going to change. Consoles have gotten minor hardware revisions in the past and it's never been a bad thing, enthusiasts will buy the newer model but the majority will stick the base model and both consoles will be within the current generation.
You're still going to be paying more for PC gaming for the single component upgrades than outright buying a neo though, sure it'll possibly yeild bigger returns depending on your hardware configuration but you're limited to multiplats and indie games. I don't know about you but the kind of games I look forward to are never multiplats, I don't think they're games worth spending my money on, let alone hundreds and supporting Nvidia.
>>336954464
Tony hawk pro skater 5 only has the tutorial on the disk. all the rest is a patch.
>>336958171
I see where you are coming from and I agree, the hardware race is very stupid, it completely undermines the value of consoles and fractures installbases. This is one of the times where I'm starting to realize what's happening is anti-competitive and not healthy.
>>336948154
Nintendo released a 7th gen system in 2012, they had to jump into the 8th.
>>336948154
I'm down for it. Now I won't have to play the FFVII remake at 20fps.
>>336948154
>Microsoft is also planning on making a revision
>Implying N3DS is not currently in the market
>NX will release earlier than it was intended, devs will shift to it and abandon WiiU
>Only use a PS4 image overstating that somehow this Business model perpetuated by them and not by Nintendo
>Pretending to be a PCuck.
You have no argument anon, you're here incite a shipost thread
>>336949171
>still smaller than the entirety of the PC market
if you just say "all of video games that have ever been exchanged for currency" consider that home video games consoles have been around for longer than home computers and forego the fact that consoles are broken down into generations(ps1,2,3 etc) and platforms(nintendo, sega, playstation, xbox) then the market for gaming on a console is vastly bigger.
if you go by "which platform has the most available games to buy right now" yes, pc's win.
also inclue the fact that if I own an atari, and an atari game, and both aren't bludgeoned to shit I can play it, assuming I have a tv to accept the jacks. a pc game from 1993 being ran on my 2014 assembled rig would recquire some poking around with the games code to work.
ultimately Consoles win in terms of ease of access and user friendliness
>>336948386
because they are forcing to upgrade, no matter what they say, people will always buy the best console, fuck sony, this is a dick move
>>336959608
>because they are forcing to upgrade, no matter what they say, people will always buy the best console
You are a stupid person lmao
>>336954953
>>336954953
>Now the 1080 and 1070 is coming out and royally shits on previous hardware.
I don't see why better cards would make my current cards worse.
Just because a better option exists doesn't mean I'll suddenly stop being able to max out every game I ever play at 1080p 60fps
Most of the time I can max them out and still get 60fps on my Ultra Widescreen Monitor too
>>336954953
I'm not understanding your argument. PC gaming is dead because you're either too lazy or too dumb to pick and choose your own hardware???
>>336948386
Because if this is successful, then Gen 8 will be the longest gen ever.
Also Sony has no competition so if this succeeds, expect Sony to stick it in without lube.
>>336953797
>buy disc
>still have to install all of the game+day 1 patches which add up cause most companies refuse to compress.
If it wasn't for best buy, I'd be buying all my games digitally.
>>336961334
I'd just download the games, not pay for them, not pay some bullshit paywall and completely avoid this garbage.
>>336959608
No one is forcing anyone to buy anything anon. There are always other options and those other options have similar plans, Also this business model is pioneered by Nintendo and not Sony. You have no valid argument, You just have serious hate boner against Sony which is unhealthy.
>>336960195
>I don't see why better cards would make my current cards worse
>Nvidia
>>336961931
I know you love your memes, but aside from Windows 10, no one is forcing you to download those new drivers.
>>336960195
>I don't see why better cards would make my current cards worse.
Either your joking or haven't looked at a gaming news site in a year
>>336962235
No, you don't get it. Nvidia is using gameworks to intentionally make games run worse on their older hardware than they normally would so you buy a new card. Literally everyone knows this.
>>336948154
I already have a PC and will be getting a PS4.5 on launch, just to get at that sweet, sweet Bloodborne.
>>336948154
I actually don't mind, let me spend my money as I please.
>>336960629
You have to understand that for console fags are like Apple fags. They'd rather have everything locked down and be fucked in the ass with extra payments (i.e online) than actually have the freedom of customization and options.
>people actually buying consoles this gen
Lag 1 gen behind, that way you get all the games 3-4 years after release when they're fucking finished and you can avoid being shafted by jewish trickery like this.
>>336954464
Try Reading
>>336949447
This
lol no one cares fag. especially not console players. they just play madden or cod.
only you autistic fucks on here care about shit like this. no ones upgrading shit. its mostly for new buyers and an excuse for sony to up the price on its console and make more money.
>>336950545
>mfw still glorious iPhone 5 master race
>mmm those sharp shiny edges.
>fits in my hand comfortably.
>dont need to use 2 hands to do everything on it.
feels good man. fuck your gay ass rounded edge fat 6's.
also, samsung s7 edge is superior to iphone 6. lol get cucked.
>>336956970
The more things change, the more they stay the same.
>>336964434
>lol no one cares fag
Haha. I'm not even gracing you with an argument.
>>336948154
I'm hoping the PS5's initial sales are abysmal because nobody wants to get ripped off again to send a message this shit isn't okay.
>>336960195
Nvidia has quite the habit of dropping drivers before new cards that fucking wreck your system or make the card useless. I have not updated my 970 driver in god knows how long due to this.
>>336964552
I still have my Iphone 4S. I've kept it in my Lifeproof case for the past 3 years, and it's still works great. I am sad though, that when I get a new phone it'll have to be some behemoth, since I prefer the 4S size as it is.
>>336948154
>now that consoles are pulling this theres no reason to stick around
hey friend, consoles have been doing this since at least the original NES, its nothing new, but i guess if you actually played video games you would know this
>got PS4 in december
>it stopped starting up today
I fell for the meme fuck.
>>336966857
its still under warrenty then, ship it in
>>336949171
>It's a "some faggot thinks all PCs are gaming machines" episode.
By that logic we should all be gaming on cell phones since that market BTFO pc in terms of market and sales, right?
>>336948154
T. Buttdevastated threatened pcuck
>>336948154
fuck off poorfag
>>336967068
That's what the big companies are doing. Consoles being reduced to playing only cell phone quality games isn't that far off, really.
>>336948154
I just got mine 3 days ago fully aware that this fall there will be a new one. I will gladly play games over the summer and then trade this in for credit towards a new model.
>>336967381
Okay fuck off.
>>336958429
>>You're still going to be paying more for PC gaming for the single component upgrades than outright buying a neo though.
Neo has a overclocked cpu, slightly ram higher bandwidth, and the biggest upgrade is the gpu. There is no different between buying a Neo, and Overclocking your pc's cpu and buying a upgraded 200 dollar video card
>>336951809
Because Playstaion is the cool system for cool kids, and kids who don't have it and don't want to be outed by society HAVE to get it.
Like get with the times! Sell your Nintoddler/Nintendrone/Nintendope shit and only buy Playstation stuff, cause it's the cool thing to do! Doesn't matter how little substance it might have, just buy it because it's popular!
And make sure to also go on forums to berate anyone who might own a Nintendo or X Box console, until they do the exact same! Doesn't matter if they already own a Playstation console as well, they have to be ONLY Playstation owners instead!
>>336968516
It's seriously Europe. Have you seen how many sales PS4 gets in Europe compared to the other consoles? It's fucking ridiculous.
I don't know if it's FIFA (it is) or if Europe just has this weird bias for Sony (they do), but that's seriously the reason Sony's winning as hard as they are. It's all Europe.
