DS1
>level meta was 120-125
DS2
>adds another stat and the meta stayed the same despite having to put more points in for the same build
DS3
>adds ANOTHER stat
>level meta 80
Which one of you assholes decided it would be good to stop leveling halfway through the game?
>>336895213
>Which one of you assholes decided it would be good to stop leveling halfway through the game?
I didn't, I just kept leveling and ignored that stuff.
>>336895213
The Meta is based around most build variety versus most build viability.
Melee is viable at essentially any soul level range because it's all even aside from weps, the problem is that magic builds have to dump a ton of points into things like attunement and usually require a much higher damage stat investment to get rolling because they have a limited number of attacks. This is especially problematic in DaS3/DaS2 because Pyro/Dark spells require you to go magic quality.
The exact point of meta pvp in das1 was defined as something approximating 2-3 soft capped stats and enough room to play around with some other stuff but not softcap it. It waffled around for a bit, started at 100, raised to 120, went back down, now it's at 125 and seems to have stuck there.
In DaS2 (>implying das2 even has a meta when SM is a thing) this wasn't viable, not because it introduced a new stat, but because of the absolutely brain dead system that ADP turned out to be, you had to invest in about 20 points of ADP regardless of your specific build so all builds were about 20 Soul levels higher. This combined with adjusted stat caps and people wanting a nice round number lead to the 150 meta. It was also encouraged by absolute shitters like Oroboro who needed the safety net but that's mostly irrelevant.
In DaS3, because ADP is gone and you're not required to invest in luck on every build, the meta should go back to 100 or 120, basically the meta for every other not retarded souls game.
Ds1 meta was 100 you nit.
Ds2 was literally as high as you could get because of soul memory
Ds3 is new, you mostly find people around 80-120 because it's harder to soul farm and the main PvP area isn't that far into the game but not early enough to everyone go back to it.
I really wish they added the dks2 thing that told you what places were PvP hotspots, where you would likely get invaded etc.
the sl isnt 80, those are just some retards on dsg pushing it
>>336896368
>Ds1 meta was 100 you nit.
no, it wasnt. people would go to sl99 if they wanted the maximum amount of pvp. in the end the meta was still sl 120-125
>>336895213
>halfway through the game.
You finish dark souls 3 around level 80
Level 125 would require a lot of grinding or an ng+ playthrough
>>336896531
The meta was 100 for a long time. It changed to 120 because people would go to 120 and still be matched with 100's, then everyone started doing it and it crept up to 125 eventually after years because of shiity people wanting an extra 10 vit and 10 faith.
>>336896609
Did you not play the original DaS? It was the same shit, but people just leveled to 120 anyway for PvP.
>>336896609
That really depends.
I'm about 50 now and I'm not even halfway through the game because I have a ton of invasion/co-op souls
>>336896646
It was originally 120 then only later on 100 becoming a thing and even then 120 was popular, it's because 120 was the original demon's souls meta level and it carried over.
>>336896646
>The meta was 100 for a long time
it was never 100. people just simply kept on with the sl 120 meta from demon souls.
who the fuck told you it was 100?
>>336896721
I didnt play much pvp in ds1, and i dont remember it beeing as high as lv 120, mostly played at level 90-100.
And that level range was close to a normal playthrough + a little bit of grinding
>>336896609
I'm currently at aldritch on my new guy at level 60 and I'm liberally buying titanite to upgrade 5 different dex weapons.
I finished the game last time at an even 100
>>336896921
Standard meta PvP SL was 120 buddy.
>I didn't PvP much but the level was actually this!
No.
>>336896337
This, 100 would be the optimal level for this game.
Of course OP is just a dumb shitposter so he won't understand it.
Lower the level meta, the more skill based the battle.
>>336896368
>it's harder to soul farm
Kek, I constantly hit 100+K souls ez and that's even without the Silver Covetous. The opposite of what you just said could not be more true.
There was a long period where it was very popular to play at 60-80 in DS1 due to elemental weapons. Before they ate the 20% damage nerf, they were nearly max damage with zero stat investment even after factoring in split damage, meaning everyone could stack everything in other stats and stay a very low level.
The meta usually ended up really high for all games, because people don't actually want to make build decisions. They wanted everything soft-capped, including a stat they only used for a buff.
I think with the way DS3 works, everyone can make a build at 80 but with a couple builds making minor sacrifices, everyone can comfortably make a build at 100 with room for some variability. At 120, everyone's just maxing every stat remotely related to their build.
>>336897061
you mean, the more Raw straight swords and rapiers
>>336897321
120 is 40/40 refined land
It's flat out superior to any build focusing on one thing because you hit softcaps anyway with all the points
>>336897089
It is harder to soul farm, you get souls more but ther arn't any places like the painted world that super easily netted you an insane amount of souls.
In dks3 the three golden winged knights or the summoned dudes give the most souls and they give you like 100K in 20 minutes even with all the right gear.
I haven't leveled a character in ds1 for years so I can't actually remember that well but soul farming feels a lot slower in dks3, although you do get more for just playing. And it's obviously slower than ds2 because of the bonfire things I can't spell.
>>336895213
>DaS1
100 on PC, 120/122/125 on consoles
>DaS2
150, 838
>DaS3
80, 100, 120
>>336897383
Soul Farming in DaS is much slower than DaS3, fastest method was to lure the invisible Forest dudes to jump off the edge giving you 7K every go.
>>336897367
100 is refined land
80 is refined land
60 is refined land
29/29 is still a shit ton better than going 40 in one stat and doesnt even take many more points to achieve.
refined is broken and it doesnt matter what level you are unless you go super low which in case raw takes over and is even more cancerous
>>336897510
But that's wrong.
You know what, I won't even bother, you don't understand builds in DS3 at all.
Enjoy your thread.
>>336897383
while farming Concords i got to about 7 million souls in around 2 hours
wasn't using the Shield of Want or Mendicant's Staff either since i had the Crystal Sage Rapier in offhand
>>336897474
/thread
Meta level should always be how ever many points the highest sorcery costs to cast
>>336897474
>838
I didn't play ds2, what happened here?
120 is a good spot, let's melee be strong and it's when magic starts to become somewhat less shit
you're still not gonna hit anyone but oh well
>>336897503
The painted world had the fat shield guys around the pole in the open foyer. They gave ~20K souls in NG+ and took literally 10 seconds to kill
I also tinked a lot, at level 20ish with full upgraded claymores, clubs, the great scythe etc. Nothing better than walking into someone else's world, kicking their shield away and hitting them once with a fast weapon for 600 damage.
>tfw my friend is level 162 on NG and is constantly bragging about how easy the game is.
>>336897061
not quite sure how "dark sword only" is more skill based senpai
>>336897779
You can make pyros or sorcerers at 100
And melees literally cap out at 120, they don't have to make any choices
>>336897729
Soul Memory, people on 838 were able to invade people on 150
Builds were non-existent
>>336897779
>120
Jesus Christ, my quality build is already OP at 90
At 120 I can make a 40/40/30/30 build and that's unacceptable.
>>336897821
magic builds would be able to cap out at 120 too if the literal retards at From didn't make cast speed based on dex
Fight clubs are boring and gay.
>>336895213
bc sl80 is literally all you need to spam r1
>>336897924
>>336897729
PvP was based on soul memory to stop tinkers. Soul memory recorded every soul you ever collected. Once you got past 8mil soul memory it would match you with literally anyone, so you'd be level ~100-130 fighting level 800's in full havels fast rolling while using magic, weapon buffs, normal buffs, healing with 3 different weapons a greatshield and they also pulled the plug all the time. You had to ditch your character as soon as you got to 8mil soul memory or become a havel monster. In the new version there's a ring that stops you from getting souls, but that still takes up a ring slot.
>>336897560
>But that's wrong.
its 100% right. do your math before spewing trash out your mouth then running away like a coward. you dont even understand simple concepts like diminishing returns
>>336895213
>adds ANOTHER stat
>level meta 80
You mean shit like Luck?
There's also a couple of fact that contributed to the low level
>embered gives extra hp (redsoapstone summon have this extra hp)
>rolling use less stamina than ever
>poise is useless = Vit stat is useless
>>336897982
25 less stamina, 163 less hp.
613 ar on dancer's swords.
>>336898204
>triple damage weapons
Anyway, 100 is the best level. It's neither too low for mages to work, nor is it so high that people just softcap all important stats and go refined 40/40 all the time
>>336897924
first of all you can make a 36/31/39/39 build which is much better
seconds of all going to 120 at that point does nothing for quality builds. they dont get stronger, whole sorcerers and heavy weapon builds could really use the stats.
>>336897821
they dont have to make any choices at 100 either. once again, none of you seem to understand diminishing returns and why softcaps exist in the first place
>>336897982
not minmax, you don't really need that amount of vit so as str. it can easily be a 100sl
>>336898279
>they don't get stronger
>you can give them a shit ton of health/stamina or slap buffs on them
>>336898279
Please.
I have a SL89 heavy weapons guy using things like fume ugs, smough hammer, yhorm's machete etc. and he's in a great spot, I do very well and often end up in big winning streaks in fight clubs
=Build=
Warrior
LEVEL 89
VIG 27 (+5 = 32)
ATT 6
END 24 (+5 = 29)
VIT 25 (+5 = 30)
STR 50
DEX 18
INT 8
FAI 9
LCK 11
=Rings=
Prisoner's Chain
Havel's Ring
Ring of Favor
Chloranthy Ring or Ring of Steel Protection
Why would I want to give other people an extra 31 levels to rack up more survivability so it's harder for me to kill them in a few hits?
>>336897474
PC was/is also 120.
>>336895213
>ds2
>level meta
top kek m8
I've never liked how high the meta was, but I've never been much into pvp either
>>336898451
Is prisoners chain worth it over hornet? I have a character at a similar soul level, I mostly use the BKGA, dragonslayer machete, pickaxe, great club and longsword for finishing people off.
>>336898441
>you came to the wrong server motherfucker
>>336899115
if you're using the FaP or Havel's it's better than those
>>336898451
Cool, you are extrmely gimped and are wasting your ring slots on trash like prisoners chain
27 hp means you will die in 3 shots. The 5 hp from chain is near cancelled out past 27 vig effectivly goving you 16 extra hp
>>336899614
You're clueless.
And I am not gimped at all. I'd only be gimped if I was fighting 120s, which I am not.
That's the whole point of it. The people I face don't have 40 vigor and endurance at this level. Why should I let them have it?
>>336898441
>don't invade me or my suns ever again
>>336900034
what difference would it make since you'd be stronger too?
i 2-3 shots people with the same heavy STR weapons you do at 120. it makes no difference
>>336900183
But I wouldn't be.
My damage potential is already capped.
>>336900225
yeah, on like 3 weapons
if that's all you want to use then sure, stay at 89
>>336895213
You can go SL 120 if you want, but have fun getting matched with nothing but 40/40 str/dex Estoc builds with a could points in end and everything else dumped into vig.
Refined builds are fucking AIDS in this game.
>>336897560
Dude, >>336898096 is right. lvl 80 was pushed by the 40/40 shitters and no other build is viable there. I know because I had my quality build done at around 90 or so.
120 is so that you can really play around with builds, considering that spells are downright shit and that even pyromancy requires 2 stats.
You have no clue about pvp and I am glad you left the thread before you embarrassed yourself further.
>>336900365
what other builds are there besides quality? int and fai will only give you access to more buffs that aren't even necessary since Carthus Flame Arc needs pretty much no investment
and Luck builds are just as viable since they're literally just quality with points dumped into Luck too
this game doesn't have builds
>>336898441
This really captures how fucking impossible it is to be an invader in this game
>>336900671
To be fair, not all buffs have the same base value, and are also affected by the spell buff stat.
Realistically though, at 120, what could a heavy or sharp infused user do with the extra points that could have gone to refined?
Vigor caps way too early, and vit is fairly pointless.
>DaS3 first soulsborne.
>Level my first character up beyond SL130 because I think I'll hit a cap at some point.
>No cap.
>Learn that level meta will probably be around 100-120.
>Tried respec hoping that it'd allow you to lose levels but no dice.
>Level up a new character that is currently at 95.
>Now learn that meta is going to be 80.
Fuck you, OP.
>>336900341
There are more str weapons than that, imbecile
>>336900671
pure STR and pure DEX, which cap at SL80.
That's why 80 is best, you get either 40 in a single stat + a lot of VIG and END, and refined builds get 40/40 with bare minimum END and VIG. Over SL80, if you're not using refined, you're doing it wrong.
And don't pull the INT meme on me because I have a SL80 MLGS build and it works great.
>>336900507
No it isn't. You don't know what you are talking about at all.
There is no "playing around with builds" at 120 because everyone has all important stats at softcap you fucking mongrel.
Now go kill yourself.
>>336901007
>MLGS build and it works great.
>Dark souls 3
Pick one
There is nothing wrong with 120 in DS3.
>>336900168
top kek
>>336901137
If you're not against the concept of quality 40/40 fags being superior to any other build, sure
>>336901032
lets say you go pyro/dex
oh no, you're fucked, not enough points because some refined qual build faggot decided that 80 is enough.
stop thinking just about yourself for once and think that there are other people playing the game. I rather have 120 and see people use different things rather than the same old qual shit.
Just leave bro, you're embarrassing yourself.
>>336898441
>tfw invading in Irithyl
>Host has popped a giant's seed
>Get bopped by frost knights and priest up by the church the second I finish spawning
>>336901185
Why do you not want casters to be viable?
>>336901214
I've never said it should be 80.
It should be 100.
Also don't make me laugh. 120 has more of the same copypaste builds than any other level.
>>336901278
They are already viable at level 100, no need for 120
That said, yes, casters benefit from higher levels.
Is it worth making qualityfags completely dominate the field? Nah.
>>336901118
I'm winning around 60-70% of my invasions in Grand Archives with it. The chip damage is insane, and it has pretty good reach and hyper armor. The Weapon Art hits for 700 damage and catches back rolls. Of course it doesn't hit as hard as a 40/40 BKS but it also has way less requirements.
530 (155phys + 375mag) AR with dusk crown.
>>336900861
Don't worry anon, SL80 meta is just something people on here are pushing. Rest of the community will still probably go for 120.
>>336901441
Reddit and Twitch want 120
4chan and gamefaqs support 80-100
>>336901510
What, do you go to all of those other places?
>>336901551
I tend to take a look at something before I talk about it, yeah.
If someone claims "reddit wants x" then I go check if that is true.
Here is the new DS2 meta :^)
>128800 SM and you put that agape ring on
>>336901615
If that were the case then you'd know that the majority of people here want 120, 80 is a meme.
>>336902102
>14 adp
l-lol?
>>336902228
You are wrong.
>>336902267
>needing a ton of I-frames to dodge player attacks
>>336896609
>You finish dark souls 3 around level 80
So you either lost a lot of souls dying or bought a bunch of useless shit, right? Or you just dont explore.
2 characters, both finished at 99, no grinding at all.
>>336902267
ADP is overrated and i rarely use it in my builds.
>14 adp
>it is actually lessSimpleton's Ring :^)
>>336902393
with the soulsborne netcode yea pretty much
>>336901615
120 won the poll on dsg dumbass
>>336902496
You mean the one Lucifer rigged?
>>336902496
this ain't /vg/ though
>vit is useless stat meme
>mfw flynns ring + naked + lucerne + highest possible vit threshold + damage boost rings
2/3 hitting everyone in the game including in pvp has never felt so good
>>336895213
>level meta 80
crap meme
I get good pvp on level 160
>>336902582
>BUT MOM I NEED 60 VIGOR
Nobody outside of 4chan and reddit cares about metas
>>336902479
i love this meme
quick
post the ADP video
you know the one
>>336895213
I skipped DaS2 [I bought it but didn't have time to beat it before DaS3 came out]
What is happening in this webm?
>>336902485
I've cleared the whole game with 4 ADP no sweat.
When people say that in DaS2 almost any build can work they are not kidding you.
>>336902632
so you're saying no one except the game's core fanbase cares? who'd have thought?
>>336895213
>DS1 meta
>120-125
It was 100-125 you shitters. Not everyone needs an extra 20 levels to cover their asses.
>>336902750
>posting screenshots of stats
>in a game with stat resets
epic for the win my man
>>336902267
>being a shitter that thinks adp matters for jackshit
i played 300 hours of ds2 and first sin, 300 fucking hours and never spent a SINGLE point in this shitty stat
and there are faggots on /v/ RIGHT THE FUCK NOW who unironically think it is a stat you have to skill to get better at the game
>>336896806
No it really doesn't, you are clearly not aware of how much souls it takes to level after 70 or so. Getting to 125 requires millions.
>>336902536
>2/3 hitting everyone in the game
But you can 1shot with any good strength weapon
>including in pvp
Again you can do the same with some weapons
>naked
Enjoy getting 2 shot
Also you realize flynns got nerfed to fuckery and is pure shit right
>>336902907
>you will never be this shitter shattered that the first game you played in the dark souls series, was the worst
>>336902907
how do you know it isn't better if you never tried it though?
>>336902874
If my laptop wasn't shit i'd record myself playing the whole game with 4 ADP and link it just for you.
ADP is a meh stat unless you rely only on rolling when it comes to avoiding damage.
Some of us would rather b8 monster attacks or run.
the meta is 100-120
only idiots are at 80
>>33690085
66 str gives you 99 str when you 2hand, fyi.
>>336903147
>my computer is too shit to record
>but its fine for playing dark souls 2
when the meme supreme
>>336902517
That faglord still shits up dsg and bbg?
>playing Souls games at/for the meta
>ever
Fight club fags are literal cancer
>>336903313
Yeah, getting ganked is where it's at.
>>336902102
jesus fucking christ do you play games on a literal toaster?
>>336903282
Nonstop.
Funniest part is like 3 days ago some guy found out he hasn't even beaten dark souls 3 yet.
Not just that, he hasn't beaten like half the bosses. Yet he constantly posts about metas.
>>336900341
Just stop posting man, you look like a fool.
>>336903348
Yes. DaS2 runs very well for a game that is not supposed to run at all, on my laptop.
>>336903049
didn't need to try it
rolling into attacks worked well enough, as usual
>>336901214
Refined is weaker than the alternatives at 80 which is the point because it is more balanced.
>>336895213
Let me explain this for all of you.
Ds3 matches based on soul level (and equip level but who cares). This means no matter what level you are you will always be matched with people around your level.
Right now the game was just released, and it sold to casuals like cake. There are so many players at all different levels that you will always be matched with someone, at least until you get to a ridiculously high SL, like maybe 400 odd.
This means there's no need for an established SL meta at all!
A meta is only necessary when player numbers start to dwindle and we have to consolidate the remaining players together. That's a long way away, probably months after the last dlc releases.
Just level until your build is done then stop. You'll get matched fine.
>>336901286
Agree, 80 and 100 can be argued for. 120 is dumb as hell and there is not a single even remotely solid argument for it.
What is the best level for darkmoon, I need the rank 2 reward but am never being summoned.
>>336895213
Only /dsg/ tripfags stay at 80. Enjoy fighting the same people over and over.
>>336902423
A 100% run without hours of silver ring grinding and any significant amount of lost souls puts you around 75. I've gone through the game 9 times.
>>336895213
DS3 added luck and removed ADP and AGI
Are you hurt in the brains or something?
>>336904192
>be 80-100
>fight literally infinite people because that's actually where people playing through the game end up at
>have invasions wherever I want against people just going through the game, even your average Joe
>be 120
>only have the occasional ng+ guy, other than that it's just reddit fight clubs
I'll post best build for SL99 which is objectively the best meta to be in
30 VIG
28 END
Base Vitality
40 STR
40 DEX
Life Ring+Ring of Favor+Prisoner Chain+Havels(replace with Leo ring / hornet ring if light character)
Rest all stats at their base values
Works fine with every quality scaling weapon weapon
>>336896368
>I really wish they added the dks2 thing that told you what places were PvP hotspots, where you would likely get invaded etc.
There is though, after Pontiff fight and before Anor Londo "lift". There's even a covenant for it, are you dumb?
>>336904312
i don't think you realize just how much activity there is at 120, invasions are pretty much instant, pop a dried finger and you get invaded by 2 spirits at a time constantly, i actually get darkmoon summons every 5 minutes or so, etc.
if you're playing at 100 you're also playing wit SL 120 players.
>>336895213
Like another anon pointed out, DaS2 has no real meta other than sticking an agape ring on at a certain SM range and never removing it. If you don't do this, you will eventually keep encountering havelflipping hexer katana users that can pretty much do everything
This is why PvP meta exists. So you can give a proper build meaning and specialize your character, instead of leveling forever until every stat hits 99 and you excel at every fucking thing
Of course, you can always ignore the meta and play without any multiplayer ever past a certain point
>>336903448
kek
Fucking Lucy.
>>336904459
Eh I'll give it a shot
>stop leveling halfway through the game
but.. I was SL 35 when I got to ithyll
am I doing something wrong? I though that was like the 2/3 mark
>>336895213
I fucking hate all the goddamn invaders.
It's the one thing about this game that fucking blows donkey dicks.
>>336904521
>dried finger
So you have to go into NG+?
>>336904998
The fuck are you on about
You can buy the dried finger from the Shrine Handmaiden the second you get into Firelink
>>336904960
All invaders should kill themselves.
>>336905061
Redpill me on dried finger pls
>>336905061
And where are you gonna use it if you beat all bosses? Who will invade you?
>>336905116
he literally just did cunt.
>>336905147
>in a thread about pvp level meta
>wants to be invaded
So dont kill all the fucking bosses if you want to pvp
>>336905159
But what does it even do?
>>336905071
Too many fucking invaders, who thought it was a good fucking idea to make this a pvp game.
Id rather separate my pve and pvp, instead of letting complete shit eating crap piles just jump into my game un invited
>>336905275
>>336904521
>pop a dried finger and you get invaded by 2 spirits at a time constantly
Maybe follow the conversation, you piece of shit
>>336905147
1. don't kill the boss where you want to be invaded
2. go to NG+ if you need to
>>336905290
put's you at the top of the invasion priority list, and let's you summon an extra friendly phantom/get invaded by an extra dark spirit.
>>336905290
>Usage
>Allows you to have up to 6 Unkindled in your world, 3 being friendly, 2 hostile, and yourself.
>Resets the invasion timer.
Fuck, you're a fucking spastic.
>>336904828
>>336903448
>>336903282
>>336902517
Lucy is based IMO
He is the most skilled souls player I've met
And I've completed- I mean he has completed DaS3
>>336905415
>>336897982
>>336898204
which build calculator is this?
>>336905584
https://mugenmonkey.com/darksouls3
Also useful to quickly see which class is best for your planned build: https://sites.google.com/site/darksouls3stats/home
>>336905626
thanks a ton
Does anybody know if the Fire Clutch Ring affects the damage dealt by pyromancies?
>>336905956
>Does anybody know if the Fire Clutch Ring affects the damage dealt by pyromancies?
http://darksouls2.wikidot.com/fire-clutch-ring
wiki knows it all
You seem to have forgotten there are two extra ring slots now, and a bunch more rings that effectively increase your stats.
>>336906091
wiki was wrong quite often after release.
>>336905956
>>336906192
Not on that regard, tho. Affects ALL and ANY elemental damage related to the ring (fire, lightning, dark or magic), from weapon, spells, throwable items...
>>336906192
>wiki was wrong quite often after release.
we are pretty far from release, are we now
>>336904459
>Prisoner chain
>take +10 percent damage
You're a dope
>>336906418
And yet it's still full of retarded stuff
>>336906587
>And yet it's still full of retarded stuff
like what?
DS3 wiki says that fast rolls happen if you're below 70%, but I remember one anon mentioning that you get even better rolls under 30%
Is there any merit to his claims?
Iron Tarkus cosplay, using full black iron set with astora greatsword (and a target shield on deck for R1ers)
>SL99
>26 VIG
>40 END
>38 VIT
>32 STR
>18 DEX
with ring of favor and havel's, i'm at 69.8% equip load or something, but those are just the +0 versions. I'm working on getting the +2 ones, so I can put a bunch of those VIT levels into STR.
It's a fucking fun cosplay build.
>>336906697
that's correct
fastroll is 0-29.9%
midroll is 30.0-69.9%
fatroll is 70.0 and up
>>336906587
>And yet it's still full of retarded stuff
Are you talking about fextra or wikidot
because i agree with this statement for fextra
>>336906775
I tried that but it didn't seem any faster below 30%
What makes you think the meta is at 80?
I saw a ton of people agreeing that it would be 120, and then I see a ton of PvP at 120.
>>336906893
iframes are exactly the same between mid and fastroll, the latter just has quicker recovery.
any suggestions? this is my pyro build
>>336907005
spells are Great Chaos Fire Orb, Sacred Flame, Fire Surge, and Fire Whip
for some reason mugenmonkey decided to not include them
>>336906579
>Negligible increase in damage for 15 free levels
You're from /dsg/ aren't you?
>>336895213
>DS1
>120
the only people at 120 were butthurt at losing, and leveled as far as they could while still being matched with level 100's
so the meta shifted to 99. 120 was never anything but meme gank builds.
>>336897503
The best method was to just do the soul dupe exploit.
>>336907076
Not even that, extra defense you get from the stats effectively reduces that penalty.
>>336907071
Get the Dark Orb for staggering.
>>336907076
10 percent is huge.
+vigor is good
+end is good
+vit is useless
You're adding +10 decent sl and +5 worthless, while taking 10 percent more damage. Just use an extra ring slot on str/dex/int/faith to get an equivilant while maintaining your percent of damage taken.
>Finally got to SL120
>No one to invade
>1-3 people on the fight club area
Have I been rused?
>>336907226
with the other four pyromancies or should i replace one of them?
iinm the chaos fire orb staggers too
>>336907195
I think that the extra life, PLUS the heavier armor you can wear with the extra vit, eliminates the damage penalty. and then you've got five extra END levels.
>>336907291
Fight Club meta is at SL80, but I'm sure you really enjoy your 60 vigor!
>>336907264
>An effect that lowers your defense is the worst thing since sliced Hitler
>But a stat that raises your defense is worthless
Make up your goddamn mind.
>>336907264
>+vit is useless
stop this meme
wasn't useless when it allowed me to fastroll in full black iron
>>336906703
you should be able to wear full black iron - shield with about 25 vit and rings, i think. maybe it's closer to 30.
i think astora GS scaled better with refined after 40 str unless you get up to 60 or so, might should put the points in dex or maybe vigor.
>>336907154
Agreed. I'd go to SL80 with a perfect Resistance/Vitality build, swinging a Lightning Zwei +5 and wearing Giant's Armor that's been fully upgraded. Holy shit, nobody could kill me no matter what, those were the days. Yet when I tried the same build at SL120, everyone was just so hyper-strong that I couldn't keep up (past 80 the only thing I could really put points into was Endurance). I agree SL120 was never the place to be.
>>336907408
>Implying fastroll is worth shit
Same iframes as medium just that you roll further away from the enemy and have slightly quicker recovery
its a dump stat
>>336904863
Most people are beating the abyss watchers around that level, myself included
Mind you most people die a lot but are able to regain our stain so we end up amassing more souls. Maybe you're just gud
This build does approximately 600 AR on a SS with the weapon buffed at level 60 (aldrich faithful constant summoning).
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1_JoBtL4BafHEYXeE0z13gdO7DNCuvzs9aKMgcSHayHY/edit?usp=sharing
Despite the reduced vigor, with the rings it bumps your HP up to approximately 890.
>>336907379
Defense and percent damage taken are different things.
>>336903313
nah dueling ng+ at undead berg is still the most fun ive had with pvp in the series.
>>336895213
what the fuck am I looking at
>>336907305
Chaos fire orb is good on stationary target, but the damage on the inital hit is the same as the black orb.
But I think the black orb is faster.
>>336907591The best game of the series.With the best PvP.The best build variety.And the best covenants.
>Ryan Stanley
>>336907828
Lookit the fuckin nose on that one
Lookit the shitty fade on that one
>>336907716
Word.
Playing SotFS again right now. It has its flaws sure, but at least it tried new things. Playing DaS 3 was like playing DaS 1 again.
Let's say you have 21 vigor, putting your unembered HP at 804.
Wearing the chain puts your HP at 977, but since the ring has a penaly, 889 damage kills you.
That's still quite a bit more survivability than without the ring, AND you get +5 end and vit on top of that.
q.e.d.
>>336907479
by fastroll i meant 69.9
>>336907430
I COULD wear the full set with absolutely minimal VIT and be at 99%, but when fighting more than one player my survivability was absolute dogshit, and my stamina usage was fucking absurd
and note that while i'm defending prisoner's chain, i dont actually want to use it in this case; i want knightslayer's and hornet's on
>>336900168
PLEASE CAPTIAN THAT IMAGE WITH THAT PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE>>336898441
>>336907897
27 Vigor is a meme. 40/40 is a meme.
40 VIG and minimum stats for the weapon you want is superior.
>>336907897
That's wrong. It multiplies the damage you take by 1.1
If you get hit by a heavier attack, you can get fuckin murdered.
>>336907264
>10 percent is huge
In what fucking universe?
The amount of additional HP you receive more than makes up for the small damage increase, even if you're above 27 vig prior to wearing the ring.
Don't think of it just as an additional 10 points for vig/end, think of it as 10 points you DON'T need to spend on those stats, and can instead spend on any other stat.
>>336907940
i meant while midrolling. i'm pretty sure i can wear it along with the zwei at 22 vit with ring of favor and havel's ring at like 69% load. +2 rings
Is the overall opinion something like this?
1. BB
2. DS3
3. DS1
4. DS
5. DS2
>>336903901
Damn you nailed it. All this SL diiscussion is pure autism.
Id like to add that the same goes for invasions. At some point there wont be 2 phantoms for every shitter to summon in every area of the game
>>336908041
That's what I did, 889 times 1.1 is 977 = your HP. So guess what, a guy with the ring will survive that 850 hit while the guy without it will not.
>>336908082
I like DeS the most. Haven't played BB though but if DaS3 is anything to go by I wont rate it above DaS1
>>336908082
The hivemind Sonygaf opinion, maybe. The true patrician order goes DS1>DS3>DS2>BB>DeS
>>336908049
Or you could use an additional ring slot and take 10 percent less damage.
>>336908041
More like if you get caught in a string of Straight Sword attacks you're talking an extra 150 damage, which might kill you.
>>336908075
neat. gotta get them tasty +2s
>>336908024
Yeah because pvp isn't spongy enough already.
>>336896721
with the dlc people hit about 100, 120 was because that catches everyone who overleveled
DS1 meta was 100 you fucking secondary
>>336908237
I mostly game on PC and DeS is still my favourite
What's the best armor set for ~15 VIT with favor?
I don't want to use fallen knight because all the faggots are using it
Does poise work in the end? I mean, it's a given it doesn't function like in DaS1, but does it do anything at all?
>>336908578
It does not function whatsoever.
>>336908578
I does not, there is only hyper armor with big weapons.
>>336907476
>lightning zwei
how to spot a fucking newfag
nobody fucking used lightning zwei
>>336908578
In DaS2 yes.
In DaS3 no.
>>336908693
>how to spot a fucking newfag
>nobody fucking used lightning zwei
Sup, newfag
>>336908082
close
>>336908237
nothing to do with platform, figgit, it has to do with BB being the most unique and fully-fleshed-out entry in the franchise, with a mindblowing artistic and thematic direction
>>336908693
Sup, newfag pretending not to be a newfag. Never played before 1.05 patch, did you?
>>336908693
Here's the (You) you so desperately seek
>>336908861
>BB being the most unique and fully-fleshed-out entry in the franchise
Sonybrony the door is this way >>>/out/
>>336908861
hows that 25 fps with dead on arrival pvp?
>>336908693
which kindergarten did you crawl out of?
Everyone who thinks 120 is too high realizes that the softcap on casting stats is 60, right?
>>336900861
I'm at 120. Soul level 80 is just for a melee build Dex or Strength builds. Magic, Pyro and Faith are fucked at such a low level. You can have variety as early as 80 but there are no good builds for the magical builds that early on because of the heavy bloat you need. It's also more fun to upgrade many weapons, I really despise the people that only stick to one.
>>336908861
DeS is still better though, just cuz you cant have it on ps4 wont change that
>souls pvp
Das3 is 120 and I agree with it, 100 is okay, but not good enough, and 80 just fucks casters
>>336895213
You can get to level 99 and still engage with level 80 people.
Level 99 is more than enough for any build you want
>>336908792
>>336908952
>>336909002
did you start with PTD on PC?
fun fact: it was lightning claymore
>>336908861
>Listing DLC & final game versions
True, objective (subjective) list incoming
>Champion of the Gods
Dark Souls: Prepare to Die
Demon's Souls
>Blessed by the Gods
Dark Souls 3
Bloodborne (including The Old Hunters)
>Favour of the Gods
Dark Souls 2: Scholar of the First Sin
So what do you want/hope the DLC contains?
I hope it's like DaSII's
>>336909565
Very good list
>>336896337
/thread
Its like all threads on /v/ are made by salty faggots that dont even own the games but just want to shitpost because its a game thats not on a system they own
>>336909703
All the cut content that was found earlier.
>>336900793
Pretty much
You're only consolation as an invader is if the host has two summons, there's a 60% they're an idiot and you can usually fuck them up relatively easily if they don't just gang bang you
>>336910080
proofs ;d
>>336897816
it scales differently on higher NGs than older games, so it doesn't really get hard until ng+4
>>336909703
Aldia or something fleshing out Serpents more. Preferably a new unlockable ending as well because none of the ones so far really felt like a big "true end" finales to the series. Linking and Usurpation were just recycled Link the Fire and Dark Lord endings while the End of Fire endings seemed pretty vague and open-ended, with no real explanation why the player character would want to do either of them.
Or something explaining the Dark Firelink / Hub Firelink / Flameless Shrine thing and why the past version of Firelink or the Flameless Shrine have the same names on the thrones.
>>336896609
>You finish dark souls 3 around level 80
Hum. I finished at 58, after sticking comfortably at that level for most of the game from around Aldrich/Pontiff. My main's still at that level, actually.
>>336895213
>DS2
>adds another stat and the meta stayed the same despite having to put more points in for the same build
Because you fags forced the fuck out of it, instead of going for a better higher level meta with more viable build options.
>>336909445
Nigga, no, it wasn't. It was a Zweihander. The one you pick up just outside of Firelink Shrine. We're talking about Dark Souls 1 here, if you aren't familiar with the game.
>>336900168
>>336906703
>still no ciaran set
>tracers are behind the cut content wall
So I finally got DS3; what's up with the purple summons? I'm at the Undead Settlement and I tried summoning one since ALL the fucking signs were purple and I think the summon went through but they didn't ever pop up. Do they get summoned in at another location or something?
I didn't stick around to find out because I got invaded by an invisible guy with the Host title and alt+f4'd because of all the hacking I've been hearing about.
>>336910730
>being this fucking new
Lightning claymore WAS the meta.
nobody fucking used zwei. it was a fucking niche before onlyafro made a meme out of it.
>>336911303
Purple Summons are the wildcard covenant, you their job is to kill a player character, but they can also kill mobs to try and make new players think they are friendly
>>336910872
WONDERFUL
>>336911580
Not necessarily.
Their job is to kill the host, or a number of phantoms. You can theoretically be a good grapelord, only fight off invaders and enemies and still get your reward.
>>336911580
i dont get this though, why invite a purple if your not just gonna kick there ass, why take the risk of them fucking you over, its such a shit covenant
