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Why is Majora's Mask considered inferior?
Why is Majora's Mask considered inferior?
>>336826061
>>336826162
The darker, muddier textures fit the tone better and despite the lower polygon count all of the characters look much smoother. Not to mention being on a handheld, you aren't as emotionally invested into the game because it's played for convenience rather than anything else.
Some things are improved but overall it's a far worse game.
Majora's Mask 3D is better than the original. Nostalgiafags gtfo
Twin Snake is literally superior in every way though.
>Nightmare in dreamland = bad
Erase yourself from existence
>>336825929
>MM3D
>CS+
Nah go kill yourself.
>>336826296
I completely disagree with your points. The texture and polygon quality never harmed the atmosphere for me at all. As for not being emotionally invested in a hand held game, that's nonsense.
>>336826296
>MUH ATMOSPHERE
Got it.
>>336825929
Spider-man PS2 is an entirely different game. What's wrong with Cave Story+? Cave Story 3D would be a better choice.
>>336826334
>m-muh accents!
>>336825929
>implying nightmare in dreamland isn't the second greatest Kirby game to ever exist
whats wrong with cave story plus
>>336826296
>Not to mention being on a handheld, you aren't as emotionally invested into the game because it's played for convenience rather than anything else.
Are you fucking kidding me
>>336826532
Mah nigga
nightmare in dreamland is a remake?
>Nightmare in Dreamland
>bad
Get the fuck outta here
You've lost me with Cave Story+. The pixel art is objectively better. The music is a matter of personal taste. You can toggle between either version of both.
>>336826515
>*Spider-man 2 PC
Don't know how I fucked that up
>>336826162
>>336826061
I don't know if I'd call it outright inferior, but the changes in the aesthetics lost a lot of charm IMO. Whether that's enough to kill the game despite the sidequests now being way less tedious is up to your personal preference.
>>336826610
>>336826495
>I literally don't know how the fuck videogames work: The posts
Please, just don't recommend these games to anyone. You're not doing them a favor at all.
>>336826296
Oh please they got the atmosphere just fine. Game still has plenty of hues of purple, green, and red. You're literally butt hurt over the Rainbow stairs in the observatory.
Putting Twin Snakes, most of those games really, in the same class as SH HD is pretty dumb
>>336825929
Like others in this thread, I'm lost on why Cave Story+ is worse than the original. Did you mean to post the 3DS version?
But Nightmare In Dreamland is literally just a graphical update and is superior in every way
>MM3D
the stable 30fps alone makes it entirely better than the original
>Cave Story+
I don't even understand the logic here. There's literally nothing in + that's negative aside from the music/graphics to some people, which you can switch to the original in the options.
>>336826296
>worse textures are better
Nostalgiafags get out
>>336826296
So nothing technical, just opinion. Got it. Op is a faggot. Move on.
>>336826792
It's also got fucked up physics because it's 10FPS faster while the game's physics are tied to the FPS.
It's also got a far worse translation.
>>336826334
>>336826523
Nope
>>336826296
>muh darker mood for a casual children's game
There's a reason they call it Fedora's Mask.
>>336826296
I agree with you. The only good part about it is thatI just pirated it.
>lacks the atmosphere of the original
>cheesy voice acting replaced with try-hard edgy acting
>graphics are somehow worse
>soundtrack vastly inferior
>needless gameplay changes and additions.
On the plus side the gun noises were really nice but it wasn't enough to save this trainwreck.
>>336825929
I thought nightmare in dreamland was really good
>>336826840
I'm not sure you know how video games work if you honestly believe it's impossible to get emotionally invested in a handheld game of all things.
>>336826840
>implying most people don't play handhelds getting comfy in bed or on a couch.
I guess you can't get emotionally invested in books either because you can take them with you! Dumb faggot.
All of you cancerous fucks need to get out of my thread holy shit
>>336826840
I don't give a fuck about Majora's Mask or Zelda in the slightest. But saying that you can't get invested in a handheld game is fucking ridiculous.
>>336826061
For myself, I disliked the changes like how zora swimming works in it or how often the bomber notebook interrupts gameplay.
>>336826840
https://youtu.be/2TbbvXK5QS8
>>336827035
>implying most people don't play handhelds getting comfy in bed or on a couch.
You're telling me that a /v/irgin who rarely goes outside knows what people do?
>>336826995
Dude are you High? Remake was one of the best games on the gamecube and superior in every way to the original.
>>336826898
I take it the left one is supposed to be the HD one? Lack of mist does seem like it would ruin the atmosphere a bit.
>>336826334
Twin Snakes ruined MGS by adding in the first person view and having it play like MGS2. Game wasn't built around the feature, and implementing it did nothing but break the base game.
Graphics and Audio is whatever, extra cutscenes? Meh...but from a technical stand point, the game is worse beyond the shiny coat of paint.
Faggot put one of the best remakes (oddworld) into his autistic opinions.
>>336827040
It ceased being yours as soon as you posted it
>>336826967
>Blue, brown and grey
>Converted to grey, grey, and grey
Ewwwww.
>>336827165
>Remake was one of the best games on the gamecube
The fact it was one of the best games on a fucking purple handbag doesn't really say much in its defense.
>>336825929
>Cave Story+
>Nightmare in Dreamland
Changingliterallynothing expect the graphix and adding minigames makes a game worse?
>>336827040
>discussion on an imageboard is a bad thing
Fuck off shithead, if you want people to just blindly agree with you then you shouldn't post such garbage.
>>336827154
Considering you're on here with a bunch of others that play handhelds and also probably don't get out much I thought you'd relate a bit.
>>336827165
not him, i'm high though. and even i can tell he was just taking the piss out of the complaints about MM3D
>>336827195
>Lack of mist
You can literally see the edge of the map because they were so incompetent.
In fact putting SH HD is probably the only completely garbage remake in this list that has no redeeming features.
Cave Story+ is a fantastic remake though. Don't like the new graphics/ music? You can change it back to the old ones. It's also got extra modes where you can play as Curly, do Time Trials, Boss Rushes, and an entire new area. The new script can be modded to be the old one, too.
>>336825929
>New'n'tasty is worse
Wait, what? Why? Coz of the 3D? I replayed it a couple months ago, and had just as much fun as when I played the original all these years ago.
Just, do what everyone else ITT says and kill yourself OP.
>>336826950
I've played the original and + all the way through at least 2 times each, I haven't noticed any negative from the changed physics personally because it's incredibly easy to adapt to them.
As for the script, if you really love the old one so much it takes all of 2 minutes to put the old one back in. There's nothing stopping you from doing that.
>>336825929
10/10 b8 m8
I honestly can't tell if this is serious or just pretending to be retarded, that is the best type of b8
Silent Hill HD is shit though, but I have LITERALLY never seen anyone recommend it so that point is moot.
>>336827417
Everyone shat on it a while ago, since it lacked a lot of what made the original so good, or rather, their choices with the remake made it extremely annoying to play.
For example, the controls. Fuck the controls. Their didn't need to be a dedicated button for health bar. It was better off being used to hop.
The eyes on bosses singlehandedly makes majoras mask worse
>>336827747
it made the gyorg and Odowala boss fights actually take some sort of effort so I'm okay with it.
Didn't like it in Goht though.
>>336826995
It's still plenty cheesy.
>Another second, you'd have fit nicely into a sandwich!
You want a bad port? This game is the worst Sonic. 2006 is a masterpiece compared to this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FXFMQ_qyZEQ
>>336827732
>lacked what made the original so good
>The controls
What? I mean, maybe if you've been autistic enough to only play this game for the last few years, maybe there's a difference.
Does it mean the new version is bad/shouldn't be recommended instead of an old ass ps1 game?
No.
And I didn't have any problems with a 'health bar button' or whatever while playing.
It was just /v/ crying over it by nostalgia or something really.
Kill yourself, with OP.
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>>336825929
>>336826296
I think Majora's Mask 3D is better than the original, people were afraid of the graphical change. However I think the new graphical style creates an even better otherworldy feeling atmosphere than the original.
Hot opinions coming through
>Twin Snakes
My first MGS so I have a soft spot for it, but in hindsight the additions from MGS2 break the game and the color pallet has been completely replaced by gray.
>MM3D
Gameplay additions like Song of Double Time and consistent 30fps make the game itself much more enjoyable but the atmosphere has taken a hit from some completely pointless changes. Depends on what you prioritize.
>Cave Story+
Straight upgrade in every way.
>Silent Hill
A complete travesty in every way.
>New 'n' Tasty
Not bad in its own right but all the changes made are for the worse. It also somehow looks worse than the original on a CRT.
>Kirby Nightmare in Dreamland
Improvement in every way.
>Spider-man 2 PC
A different game entirely.
>>336825929
>Majora's Mask
>MUH ATMOSPHERE
>>336828028
Holy fuck....how did this release? AT least the spikes have some invincibility frames now when you hit them and don't kill you damn near immediately anymore.
>It's a hello, we're shitty image macro lists episode
>>336825929
You can add Baldurs Gate Enhanced Edition there
>>336828234
Song of Double Time was in the original version too.
>>336825929
Nightmare in Dreamland is way better than the original.
It's different, yes, but it's also better.
>>336828171
>old ass ps1 game
Kill yourself f a m
>>336828234
>The atmosphere has taken a hit from some completely pointless changes.
You're crazy.
>>336828028
fun fact: Sega actually lost the source code to Sonic the Hedgehog, so this was basically built from scratch aside from ripped sprite assets.
>>336828234
You make sense, but this thread was bait from the start.
When you mention song of double time I assume you mean the specific control over the hours? Because it was in the original otherwise.
As for "muh atmosphere" MM is my favorite game of all time, and I think the remake looks visually better in pretty much every way, nothing about the palette is even changed, the only difference is the screen isn't smeared with vaseline.
>>336828028
>That Spring Yard tune
sweet jesus why
What the fuck is people's problems with New n Tasty and Majora's Mask.
I can get enjoying the pre-rendered backgrounds of New n' Tasty over the redone art, but outside that it's technologically superior in every possible way.
Majora's Mask is just better, hands down.
Fuck is wrong with you babies?
>>336825929
Why do people say Nightmare in Dreamland is inferior? Besides the graphics and new modes I didn't notice a difference.
>>336828214
>people were afraid of the graphical change
Is this bait or are you really an idiot
>>336826162
>>336826061
Many weird changes, like the bank relocation, changes to levels or zora swimming
.
>>336828451
>>336828348
I obviously meant how it was improved so you can skip to any hour.
>>336828412
Don't get me wrong, MM3D as a whole looks beautiful. It's just the little things like the Moon's new design, different HUD for the clock, and the rainbow staircase that bother an autistic fuck like myself.
>>336828712
>People were afraid of the graphical change
they fucking were pre release after seeing the fucked up lighting in a few areas of OoT3D.
But it turned out to be fine in MM3D so it's no big deal
>change to the bank location
disliking this is possibly one of the most autistic things I've ever seen.
>>336826334
literally every single part of the game is worse
I don't want to write a massive essay going into detail just how fucking stupid you are if you think twin snakes has literally any improvements, so just accept that you have terrible taste
t - someone that played twin snakes first and both games within the last five years for the first time
You forgot something OP
>>336826669
Kirby adventure on the nes.
Why did they have to put generic eyeball weakpoints on the boses?
>>336828910
other than Marie, what's wrong? It's literally new content.
>>336826532
This desu. Fuck the original, it's good and all but Nightmare in Dreamland did everything better and and also had Meta Knightmare
>>336828910
>tfw want to replay P4 but can't choose between having more content or not having to deal with Marie
>>336828910
This one is conflicting.
Some of the changes were just new content stuff and some other nice convenience features
but damn do I hate marie.
>>336828525
As for MM, a lot of people simply don't like when something they're used to gets changed. Even if that change is for the best, there will always be people who dislike it.
>>336826296
>Not to mention being on a handheld, you aren't as emotionally invested into the game because it's played for convenience rather than anything else.
>>336825929
How is Nightmare in Dreamland bad? Best prize I ever got in a meal at Burger King.
And what's wrong with cave story+? It has an extra level, and if you don't like the new ost you can just put it as the old one.
>>336828171
I mean, it's not a terrible game outright, but it is a weaker game in comparison to the original Oddysee.
The game did not benefit from having a scrolling screen, since it made some sections annoying to play. As for the controls, yeah there were issues. Why did did they need to have a dedicated button for hopping? Why did it need a health bar? Because of the controls, it's easier to make a mistake and step on the mines you were trying to hop over instead.
Also the credits. Fuck that out-of-place trash.
>>336825929
Why is Twin Snakes considered inferior
>>336829072
>>336829092
> Marie hate meme
You realize that you literally never have to interact with her unless you want to do the winter dungeon right? That if you never trigger her content you never see her content.
>>336828736
>different HUD for the clock
Grezzo can't into UIs at all.
>>336828875
>they fucking were pre release
Good, you're an idiot after all
>>336829226
>never have to interact with her
so I never have to interact with the main selling point of the remake?
Then what's the point of the remake if it's main content addition is bad?
>>336829021
>>336829072
the new content is all horrible, akin to taking a solid sandwhich and adding tons of half cooked truck stop meat to it then getting mad when nobody wants to eat it all
besides the marie stuff everything else is just random stupid scenes with writing that feels like something from a fanfic (which in a way it is, the golden stuff all has new writers)
gameplay wise the new dungeon throws off the games already shit pacing and has an annoying gimmick and all the changes to the combat make the already boring 40 hours of dungeon crawling that much easier and less engaging because now you're overpowered as fuck
>>336825929
My go to metric for if someone has gaming opinions I should take seriously is if they think twin snakes is in any way better than the original game
Every single aspect is worse
>>336826296
>Not to mention being on a handheld, you aren't as emotionally invested into the game because it's played for convenience rather than anything else.
holy fucking subjective batman
>>336826296
>Not to mention being on a handheld, you aren't as emotionally invested into the game because it's played for convenience rather than anything else.
>>336827195
Its horrible, but I have it and it no longer looks like that. That doesnt mean it looks much better though.
>>336829349
I found operation babe hunt 2.0 pretty funny with Yu seducing a middle age male police officer in his quest for getting any woman's phone number. The beach scene was also fun if short, they sort of fixed Yukiko's bland character by adding some quirks to it such as her love of ghost stories.
>>336826296
>Not to mention being on a handheld, you aren't as emotionally invested into the game because it's played for convenience rather than anything else.
>>336829245
You want to try and explain your position instead of just using ad hominem?
I think the graphics of MM3D are better than the original, and having a stable framerate certainly helps.
I say this as someone who has MM as their favorite game
>>336829226
how is it a meme when she is a legitimately bad character
>>336829176
Fuck, I mean why did their need to be a button that's only meant to show how much health you have left?
>>336829475
Psycho Mantis's voice is acting is better in Twin Snakes IMO and the Mario and Yoshi statues were kind of cool I guess. That's about it.
>>336829337
> main content addition
> Marie
> not Adachi
> not two new branches of demons to personae
> not going to the city
Besides literally the only thing bad about Marie is the stupid poetry. Otherwise she's the same dull shit that all the girls in Persona 4 are.
>>336829565
this is the sort of stuff im talking about
"hey remember operation babe hunt from persona 3? what if the persona 4 characters did that" and "this character doesn't really have a wacky anime trait that I can make them repeat in every scene for base humor like everyone else, so I'll invent one" are literally the sort of things fanfic writers do
>>336829197
Nostalgia.
>>336826995
>>336825929
Spider-Man 2 PC isn't a remake nor a port. It's a separate game made by a separate dev.
>>336829771
mantis acting is "better" but it's less memorable and the actual scene itself is worse
>>336829197
It's a funny/silly retelling of MGS1, you can truly enjoy it if you've played the original but on it's own it's not that good.
Gameplay-wise it's pretty goodThey also changed the OST
>>336829614
MM3D isn't considered inferior because of the graphics, don't listen to baits/idiots like >>336826296
>>336826061
To reflect the actual quality of the original: they're both shit
>>336828196
That's not only not a remake, but it's not even out.
>>336825929
Twin snakes only problem was making snake a mythical superman.
Sh2 looks worse somehow because konami hates fans and "lost coding".
How the fuck do you lose something worth millions of dollars this day and age?
Age of Empires 2 HD - the graphics look awful compared to the original, but I don't know why.
And from what I played of the new campaign, it was buggy aswell.
>>336826296
>Not to mention being on a handheld, you aren't as emotionally invested into the game because it's played for convenience rather than anything else.
>>336827660
This.
The only remake I've played that was inferior that I recall was the Diddy Kong Racing remake. Any you guys can think of? Let's fix this image
>>336829984
>MM3D isn't considered inferior because of the graphics
I never said it was, but I did say that prior to it's release a lot of people were concerned after OoT3D had no real dark areas because Grezzo can't into handling ghosting.
>>336826910
cave story + is nothing but an upgrade from the free version. How can anyone claim otherwise?
>>336826334
TTS was the worst thing to happen to Metal Gear. It's without question the worst. Fuck the twin snakes.
>>336826927
This. The only game le bad textures is atmosphere meme is true for is LSD Dream Emulator
Why is Spider Man 2 on there?
I've only played 1. Is it any good?
>>336830019
>How the fuck do you lose something worth millions of dollars this day and age?
It happens more than you think. Not that it's a valid excuse anyway since companies like Bluepoint just reverse engineer the retail PS2 discs and turn in much, much better results.
>>336830286
Gameplay is perfect but the fucking characterisation was ruined.
>>336829197
>>336829984
Twin snakes is bad because
>The gameplay is worse
>The visuals are worse
>The music is worse
>The voice acting is worse
>The cutscenes are worse (no I'm not just talking about snake doing wacky shit but that's also stupid)
>It runs worse and has worse controls
>It doesn't have as much content as the original game
>It's not canon to later MGS games (mgs4 using twin snakes VA was only for the US version because their recordings were literally done in someones house and unusable with modern sound quality)
I can elaborate on any/all of these if you want
>>336826296
Lol
>>336830019
As late as the 6th generation hard drives were still fucking tiny and no one going forward expected to do nothing but shit out remakes back then.
Most companies would just delete the source code when they were done with it back then.
>>336830397
Just the pc version. Spiderman 2 on the ps2 isin my opinionthe best spiderman game made but the pc version is something entirely different
>>336829803
Eh to be honest Yukiko was bland as fuck in the original so it was a welcome change for me and I enjoyed the ability to go out at night to hang out with friends and Adachi and the added songs. The game mechanic refinements were also nice like
catalog fusion
adding a costume slot
party members being able to learn moves outside of leveling up by going to the beach or hotsprings with them
adding back skill cards
making card shuffle more fun by turning it into a game of trying to get as many cards as you can
and other small things
God I fucking hated the changes to all the transformation masks in the Majora's Mask remake.
Why did they have to make them worse and not as fun to use? I was mad when I couldn't do my deku spins to hop faster/further on water and was absolutely furious that Zora dolphin jumps were tied to magic.
>>336830418
That's who I was thinking of when I posted. I think they didn't want to actually put work in to cash in on nastolgia.
I got the Xbox of sh2 version awhile back and honestly love it.
Medievil Resurrection
>>336830662
Oh so it's not even a remake, it's a different game altogether? Then this really is a bait image.
That's like comparing game boy Harry Potter to game boy advance Harry Potter.
>>336830527
No need to elaborate when you're completely correct.
>>336830527
>mgs4 using twin snakes VA was only for the US version
They wouldn't be able to use TTS's recordings in the Japanese version anyway since TTS was voiced in English even in Japan.
>>336830527
Elaborate on worse gameplay and content then
>>336831010
Btw that Harry Potter GBC game is fucking fun. Harry Potter RPG is a cool idea
can someone actually explain why nightmare in dreamland is up there?
I know its a bait pic but what is the reason for that one
>>336831401
I think it's there solely to completely solidify this as bait.
I legitimately don't think there is a single negative change to nightmare
I understand oot had master quest already in the game cube version but why the fuck didn't they add a master quest to majors mask. Fucking seriously.
>>336831261
It is. The Harry Potter GBAs also weren't bad, the isometric platformers were some interesting shovelware. No GOTY by any means, but still alright.
Now console Harry Potter, that's a jumbled mess of broken.
>>336830397
Spider Man 2 on PS2 is just holy shit awesome
On pc it's fucked up
>>336831401
To get you to reply to the thread
>>336830783
Personally I liked the Zora change the default swimming option being like TP's meant you weren't constantly pinging off the walls of the Pirate Fort and Great Bay temple like a pinball.
The original swimming mechanics weren't designed for tight underwater corridors and only worked well outside in the Great Bay where there was nothing to use them for. In the Pirate Fort except with that section where you have to float above the current that ejects you from the building I just had Zora Link walk on the floor.
>>336831401
I think NiD is slightly easier? Maybe?
Other than that it's superiir to Adventure in every single way. Op is just retarded
>>336831547
That would of required effort from nintendo. Also OoT master quest is the best thing to have happened to zelda.
>>336831547
This is my biggest complaint with the game. Any other minor changes are complete nitpicks compared to the huge non-change of not even adding literally anything substantiate. My guess is that Master Quest was actually designed by the actual zelda team, and since they were busy nintendo wasn't going to let grezzo try and make actual dungeons themselves.
Still not even adding the possibility of hero mode bothers me. At least that would have taken zero effort
>>336831559
All I did in (I can't remember if it was the 3rd or 4th console one) was shoot my brother with spells while playing the multiplayer. Something is just really funny about them shooting each other with spells and constantly hearing them say "sooooorrrry roooon"
>>336826352
It's not bad, just worse.
>>336831852
I agree. It is a real shame.
>>336826061
The biggest problem with Majora's Mask 3D is that the time mechanic is now completely trivial, as opposed to feeling important.
Because you could only hard save whenever you played the Song Of Time, every cycle felt very important and meaningful, not to mention it really raises the tension.
Because the 3D version uses a traditional Zelda Save Point System, any sort of tension is lost seeing as you can just restart from the last checkpoint if you screwed something up.
I know they did this seeing as the game is now on a handheld, but all this does is raise question on whether the game should have been on the 3DS to begin with if an important game centric mechanic has to be compromised in porting.
>>336826334
Agreed. I'll never understand people who hate JET NOISES: THE GAME.
>>336831232
There are two types of ways twin snakes fucks up the gameplay, intentional and unintentional
Intentional is stuff like removing the surprise grenades in the holding cell fight with meryl, removing the final phase of the ninja fight, being able to just skip a lot of setpieces/room layouts by jumping over a railing or two and first person aiming with the pistol making most boss fights a total joke
unintentional is just stuff that happened because silicon knights don't know how to make videogames and just put MGS1 levels in the MGS2 engine. This is stuff like no longer leveling up after every boss and starting out with max life/ammo so you never have to worry about screwing up and running out of supplies, the tranq gun completely breaking the game because unlike MGS2 the guards aren't properly positioned to discover eachother sleeping, and the fact that combined with guards no longer spawning in infinitely during alert it's impossible to die in any area with a locker in it because (unlike in mgs2) the guards slowly filter in from a single enterance in every area so you just have to knock over the 1-2 guards that saw you, hide and wait for everyone to leave
The main thing that makes MGS games so memorable is how finely tuned they are. Every moment and every part of every room is very specifically designed to play with player expectations and present engaging obstacles. In twin snakes you can just ignore all that shit and circumvent the "intended way", it's like playing a game with noclip
As for content, there's no VR training and it doesn't have any of the added content from the ps1 re-release because the game was rushed (same reason they added dog tags that literally don't unlock anything, just because that was a thing mgs2 had)
>>336827329
Fuck off, no, seriously FUCK OFF
This may be a bait but hell I take it, this nigger is calling the best Remake of ANY fucking game out there trash?
From what kind of shithole you came from to say this? or are you a god dam 2016 hisper.
Seriusly I can understand people bashing RE4, but Remake?
Fuck Off
>>336832279
>I know they did this seeing as the game is now on a handheld, but all this does is raise question on whether the game should have been on the 3DS to begin with if an important game centric mechanic has to be compromised in porting.
The fans wanted MM3D and the engine used for OOT3D could be reused.
>>336832502
Fans are retarded, Just because they want it, doesn't automatically mean its a good idea.
Fans also wanted to play Hyrule warriors on the 3DS and look how that turned out.
What changed in Nightmare in Dreamland?
>>336832462
Anon, you aren't doing any service to the people who like Remake by posting shit like that.
Nightmare in Dreamland and Cave Story remakes are good though.
>>336832279
>time mechanic is now completely trivial
I think you're overexaggerating a lot of the originals merits.
Yes it's easier to fix a mistake if you fuck up, but it took basically no time at all to get to the same point in a quest chain in the original. And even then the only things that really required any inordinate amount of effort in the game is the anniversary mask side quest, which was 70% waiting around anyway.
Also using a save point still requires you to travel somewhere and stop, which you could do in the original. The only thing it did was make owl saves hard saves instead of save states. It's not like OoT where you could literally save anywhere and restart at the beginning of whatever building or area you were at.
>>336832759
Sorry anon, I guess I got triggered for once, that post just countered any logical statement at all making my brain melt, I really hope he is a troll, god I hope he is a troll for real
>>336832978
Well the original post was clearly a troll by making fun of some of the retarded complaints of people who shit on MM3D.
REmake is still the only example of what I would call a perfect remake, something that completely redoes the graphics and sound to entirely improve the game while also adding in significant gameplay additions all for the better.
IMO it turned a campy and fun horror game into legit a top 10 game for me.
>>336825929
>>336826030
Samefags for Period.
Forgot this op
>>336826296
>lower polygon count all of the characters look much smoother
>>336833202
yeah, I think here no one that could contradict that, Remake is so solid is hard to find any flaws in it besides its difficulty, getting one-shot by Hunters and Super Zombies the second your health hit Warning(Yellow) was crazy
>>336832715
Well people say that Nintendo don't listen to their fans enough lately.
>>336826995
>>graphics are somehow worse
I would imagine GCN rendering isn't as capable as a supercomputer pre-fab.
>>336825929
>remakes/remasters
>inferior
>implying cave story+, twin snakes and majora 3D are bad even as independent games
Kill yourself
the pc/360/p23 version of splinter cell: Double Agent is inferior to the xbox version
>>336826296
What a shit argument. You are the reason people call it "Fedora's Mask". you could have At least brought up points that actually matter, such as:
-the original Fast,and fun Zora swimming is changed to the Slow, boring swimming from Twilight princess.
-The Gyorg boss-fight somehow turned out worse than the original.
-Twinmold was changed from a simple and fun boss fight, to easily becoming the worst boss fight in any Zelda game, period.
-The saving mechanic that is central to the original game is gone.
-Zora's Moon dungeon is mostly trial and error, along with tricky jumps that require muscle memory rather than skill.
-The Romani ranch alien mission was severely toned down in difficulty, and thanks to the "improved" time mechanic, there's next to no punishment for failing.
-The sheikah stone. I know that you can choose not to use it, but it pains me to know that children who start playing this amazing installment are going to gravitate to this stone, which essentially ruins the experience.
>>336825929
Cave Story+ is literally objectively factually the best version however.
>can choose between 3 soundtracks (original, remastered and remade) and 2 graphics styles (original and higher res)
>MUCH more content (pic related)
>>336827660
They fixed a massive amount of the Silent Hill HD problems though.
Shame they didn't include The Room though.
>>336827375
>>336829532
Wasn't it because Konami lost the files of the original game and built the remaster of 2 from a beta?
>>336827347
There are some other issues with NiDL. There are some platforms in the remake that are floating in mid air that were attached to things in the original, among other things
>>336826995
>>soundtrack vastly inferior
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0kcF7E69C6Q
>>336834373
also it runs at 60fps instead of 50
literally everything about it is improved
>>336834301
>the original swimming is changed
an option to go slower which helped a ton in some areas. The original fast swimming is still there.
>Gyorg boss fight worse
I guess this is a matter of opinion, personally I liked that it took more than literally no effort to beat
>Twinmold was changed
Yeah I don't know if it's the worst but it's p bad, agreed.
>saving mechanic central to the original game is gone
I liked the original saving more but I wouldn't say it was nearly as all important as you say
>Zora's moon dungeon trial and error
just like the original then
>romani ranch alien mission severely toned down
Play the original and try and say that again. It's practically the same, maybe they removed like one spawn point? There was absolutely no difficulty in the original mission in the first place, especially with slowed time causing them to move at a snails pace.
>Sheikah stone
If a kid is too retarded to figure something out in a zelda game he deserves it getting ruined for him anyway
>>336834717
This is true of plenty of franchises, the company that remade it is just a shit company that can't into anything. SotC, MGS2+3, DMC1-3, were all remade in similar circumstances
>>336826995
has to be bait
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0kcF7E69C6Q
>>336834717
I highly doubt they lost their sources for anything.
>>336835309
Mate, the original source code for nearly every game pre-2005 is gone forever. Most companies didn't anticipate doing anything with them in the future and hard drive space was a lot smaller back then.
It could have been a 1-1 remake but noooooo, they had to fuck up the lighting in the final boss battle, what a waste.
>>336825929
The silent Hill HD collection outside of the re worked voices and music it's pretty good now thanks to the patch they release. If you have it on PS3 of course otherwise you are fucked.
>>336825929
>MM3D apologists
Dont worry, I had buyers remorse too.
>>336835837
It's a shame about that lighting, but it was otherwise a really, really solid port.
Sheikah guide stones withstanding, feels weird to put them in the places they did.
>>336828028
>Sonic sprite taking up literally 1/5 of the entire screen
So that's why the framerate is so shit; to make actual player reaction possible.
>>336836729
Really though, I used to really like Majora's Mask until I realized that faggots like >>336826296 make up 90% of the fanbase.
>>336825929
>there are ACTUALLY people so up their own ass they think Twin Snakes wasn't a better version than the original mgs
>>336835625
What's wrong with it?
I'm willing to bet that if Twin Snakes was on the PS2, it wouldn't be judged as harshly.
Congrats to everyone who enjoyed MM3D.
My mom cuts my spaghetti for me too.
>>336826061
It's not. OP is retarded.
>not vidya
but the Buffy widescreen remasters are the worst remasters in any entertainment medium.
>you can literally see crew members, cameras and lightning stands multiple times in each episode.
>>336837365
that sounds great to be honest
it's not like buffy is a good show at all anyway. I only watched it because buffy didn't wear a bra in the first few episodes
>>336825929
Including Twin Snakes, Majora's Mask 3D, Cave Story +, and Nightmare In Dreamland on the same list as New & Tasty, Silent Hill HD, and Spiderman 2 PC is just asking for angry responses. Nice bait.
>>336835837
>muh lighting
They did it because of the bleeding the 3D does with bright objects over dark backgrounds.
>>336835837
It's fine. The N64 couldn't do subtle lighting so that's why everything is high contrast like a Hellboy comic. OoT3D is a pretty solid remake that improved in many areas, same applies to MM3D.
>>336832323
You're pretty good, anon.
What's your favorite MGS game?
>>336837656
So the bleeding is entirely normal?
I thought it was a defect.
>>336837365
This stuff is terrible because its so blatant that they want sell crap based on buzzwords. They don't care the show was filmed with a 4:3 ratio in mind because they know most people don't actually understand what that means and automatically assume widescreen is just better. Its like Silent Hill HD where the game is literally broken because of the enhancements.
>>336837106
A lot of graphical glitches and some stuttering here and there. Still totally a playable version, but it is inferior.
>>336837751
Yes. It also bleeds pretty bad if you're in a high-light environment. It's just a technical thing. A Link Between Worlds is the worst offender.
>>336832323
>silicon knights don't know how to make videogames
>>336826515
>>336826568
>>336826792
>>336826910
>>336827347
>>336827385
>>336828234
>"OH YEAH"
>not "HUZZAH!"
>>336837137
If it were the same product it would. I didn't even have a PS2 yet and was excited as fuck for TTS. MGS was one of my favorite games on the PS and when I finally got TTS I stopped playing after the fight with cyborg ninja. The whole thing was sickening and that was my breaking point.
Fuck you for implying the hatred is some gay anti-nintendo shit.
>>336826995
I agree with you somehow. I just love the original, it spoop me more than REmake. The zombie "voices" are scarier in the original.
>>336833978
>implying cave story+ is not an independent game
>>336825929
>Spiderman 2
That game was legit good tho, like a really well made game, especially considering it's licensed crap
>>336830397
>>336831010
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pOU6HVSL6a8
>>336831559
holy shit, anon. I forgot about the isometric games. I was so terrible at them when I was younger that I wrote them off as lost causes, but they were actually cool as fuck.
>>336826334
>play twin snakes
>hear Naomi's voice
nope
>mfw they kept this voice in mgs4 even though her MGS1 voice suited her personality much better
>>336825929
Is it really such a bad thing that I actually enjoyed spiderman 2 a shit ton when the demo came out for PC ?
>>336838513
>like a really well made game
Despite the PC version being nothing like the console version your statement is just wrong. It's swinging was solid, everything else just wasn't.
>>336826995
American cover is better. I would love to have it for Origins Collection.
>>336825929
>Cave Story+
Why?
>>336825929
Isn't that the same spider man everyone praises for the whole "spooky thing chasing me" segment in all those horror threads? Or was that a different game
>>336826995
fuck no you retard
>>336839828
You're thinking of Spider-Man for the PS1/DC.
>>336826995
>cheesy voice acting replaced with try-hard edgy acting
Have not wanted to punch someone in the face so much in my life. Absolutely nothing was tryhard about the remake, tryhard.
>>336840705
Stop getting mad at obvious bait and your life will improve
>>336827385
it runs at the wrong framerate. the physics are fucked because of it
>>336825929
The original were shit already you dumbass.
>>336838241
You can mod it to be Huzzah again you know right?
>>336843650
No actually, but I need to know now
>>336843885
http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=113325947
>>336844069
thank you
>>336835002
>>336835206
How to spot people who have never actually played RE1.
