Just got these 2 bad boys.
Which should I play first?
Ds3 so you can finish off by playing somthing better with bb.
dark souls 2
>>336823754
Whichever one you do play, you're going to have a hard time rolling into the other.
Dark Souls 1 for the tenth time
Dark Souls 3 is the hot shit right now, so I'd play that first so you can do multiplayer stuff while it's very active.
BB first, so you can enjoy the improvements ds3 made
>>336823754
DaS3, cause BB gonna destroy your ass if it's your first soulsborne
>>336823754
Dark Souls 3 first so you don't get even more disappointed when finishing it
>>336823754
Play DS3 first and save the best for later.
>>336823938
I'm not an MP kind of guy, I like more PvE.
Is magic viable to do a first PvE run?
>>336823754
BB first, save the best for later.
DaS3 is easier
so go with that one
>>336824053
is not my first soulsborne, I completed DaS and dropped DasII.
>>336823754
>spending your hard earned cash on video games
kek
>>336824142
>is magic viable in pve?
Your bare damn fists are viable in pve. "Viable" isnt even a word to use in pve in a game where you can dodge.
DaS3
it's shorter because no DLC, and BB is so good it'll taint your experience
DS3 is great and all, but BB is Miyazaki's MAGNUM OPUS, nothing can compare. So play BB after you're done with DS3 so you may compare everything BB did better.
>>336824559
this
>>336824354
BB is easier than DS3 anyway. just play them in release order and save yourself the trouble
>>336824387
>Don't have GF
>Don't have friends
>My expenses are Rent and electricity
>doing a no fap year
I'm a loser with a good job anon.
>>336824559
this x2
bb since playing it after das3 will be lackluster
Bb is easier so you can get used to the gameplay
The real fight begins with das3
>>336824589
Sonygger: the post
Please off yourself.
DaS3 is a bridge between DaS's slow, defensive combat and BB's fast, offensive combat
so probably go with that
>>336823754
i was in a similar position a month ago. I started with DS3 first. now i'm going through BB and honestly its the better game. so save the best for last
>>336823754
start with bloodborne
that way you'll go all "awww this is limited to one playstyle" and be a tank in ds3
>>336825009
PCCuck: the butthurt
Please buy some cream.
>>336825126
I'm idort though. BB is great but it's overrated as hell and certainly no masterpiece.
>>336823754
They're both great, but the online for DS3 will never be as active as it is right now
>>336823754
> buying rehashed shit
Literally worst than nintendo drones
BB would be seen as fairly mediocre if it wasn't an exclusive
You'll probably be pretty disappointed if you actually believe the advice in this thread
>>336823754
Both at the same time. Beat one boss in one game, then beat one in the other one. I suggest starting with 3 since the tutorial boss is easy as shit.
>>336825350
>BB would be seen as fairly mediocre if it wasn't an exclusive
What? The vast majority of criticism against it is that it's exclusive and limited by the hardware.
@336825326
no (You) for you but you are a faggot at making bait
>>336824387
>>336823754
BB because it won't feel great after DaS3.
BB is also shorter so you can finish it fast and get to the main attraction faster.
>>336824559
This HOLY SHIT PLEASE DO IT
AGGGHH I'M CUMMIN
>>336823754
>Roll Souls III
Play Blood Borne
>>336823754
Start with DS3. You'll enjoy BB a lot more, but they're both great.
>>336826251
>shorter
Has this been confirmed? I played both and had like 36 hrs in vanilla BB (without Cainhurst nor Chalices) and 32 hrs in DS3 after my first playthrough.
>>336826961
>Roll Souls
As opposed to Dashborne?
>>336823754
BB because it's the better game.
Bloodborne was my first soulsborne... after that every other game was easy cake including DaS3
>>336827363
https://howlongtobeat.com/game.php?id=21262
https://howlongtobeat.com/game.php?id=26803
Bloodborne is longer according to these.
>>336827363
I found it way easier than the souls games so I just flew through it in around 20 hours my first time through. DaS3 took me around 40 hours to beat on my first playthrough.
So I guess it depends which one you find easier.
>>336827994
Jesus christ people are slow at video games.
>>336828194
>rushing through the first playthrough
>not taking time to taking all inBeastly idiocy, indeed.
>>336823754
man that's fucking overkill. shoulda bought one and played the shit out of it then the other. they're both games you'll get hundreds of hours out of.
anyway i'd go with das3 first since it's brand new right now and it's as active as it's ever been. only go to bb when you're totally satiated with it... which if you're me will take at least 500 hours.
man I'm fucking jealous of you dude. you've got two fuck awesome games that you've never played before and are gonna give you hundreds of hours of great gameplay.
>>336827994
Bloodborne is longer with DLC. First Bloodborne playthrough(with DLC) took me 30 hours. DaS3 took me about 25 hours. However, my second BB playthrough took 20 hours, and my second DaS3 playthrough took 23 hours.
DaS3 so that it doesn't leave a bad aftertaste in your mouth , because that's how it feels after Bloodborne
>>336827994
BB has DLC. The main game is shorter.
>>336828416
I found nearly every area in BB so bland that I didn't really want to stick around. Exceptions being Cainhurst and Mergo's Wet Dream.
It's criminal how short Cainhurst was.
>>336828796
Those howlongtobeat stats for Bloodborne were there long before the DLC came out. Nice try though.
>>336828539
>>336828796
Nope
That's the base game
Old Hunters playtime is polled separately
Scroll down and click on the Old hunters hyperlink under the Extra content section
>>336824639
>BB is easier than DS3 anyway
Wrong. Only Souls game easier than DaS3 is DeS.
>>336828941
>It's criminal how short Cainhurst was.
We agree on one thing
>>336823754
Start with DS3. Its a great game, but Bloodborne is on a whole other level. Keep the best for last
>>336828941
Central Yharnam was also really good, too bad it isn't connected to anything excet cathedral ward and there's no reason to stick around
>>336827363
DaS3 is much shorter if you include chalice dungeons. Even without them they're about the same length.
>>336829038
>>336829057
That's really strange then, it took me less time to complete the main game in BB than ds3
>>336829093
DS1 and BB are both easier than DS3
>>336827994
>das1 average complete time for main story: 49 hours (not including DLC)
>das3 average complete time for main story: 29.5 hours
Fuck man is dark souls 3 really that much shorter than das1, or did people just get better at souls so now they beat it faster? also the movement/combat is faster now too... maybe that makes a difference?
>>336829409
Prove that you have both of them,I refuse to believe someone can have an opinion this wrong without being ignorant
>>336829409
Absolutely not. DaS3 was criminally easy. You've got maybe 2 semi-hardish fights in NK and CD and that's it. Most people agree the game is on the easy side
http://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/168566-dark-souls-iii/73698265
Cue DSP being used as "proof" of DaS3 being harder.
>>336829525
BB doesn't even have a single difficult boss outside of DLC and chalice dungeons. DS1 was only considered hard because people didn't know how to play the game and had trouble with stuff like Capra Demon or Taurus Demon
>>336829746
Funny that you would link to gamefaqs to prove your point : http://www.gamefaqs.com/games/rankings?platform=120&genre=48&list_type=diff&dlc=1&game_id=168566&min_votes=2#2
Also pretty funny that a thread on gamefaqs is somehow more compelling evidence than DSP. it's on the same tier of idiocy
>>336829839
>chalice dungeons somehow don't count despite being part of the base game
Name the hard bosses from DaS3.
>>336829746
>all those aggressive enemies
>shields were nerfed and there's not as much mobility as BB
>parrying and backstabbing are harder to pull off
>no rally system
Not him but I found it harder than BB.
>>336829746
Literally who
>>336823754
>Not even the day 1 edition of DS3
KYS m8.
Really hate how these threads go on and on about which boss/game is the most difficult.
>more difficult=/=better experience
>>336830085
Name the hard bosses from BB
>>336830054
1k votes vs 3.6k votes. Game has also been out longer; less likely to be bombed with spur of the moment 5/5s after getting stuck on a boss.
>Also pretty funny that a thread on gamefaqs is somehow more compelling evidence than DSP. it's on the same tier of idiocy
Yeah, hilarious that a pool of many is better than a pool of 1. Funny shit.
>>336830142
>shields were nerfed
I beat most late-game bosses first attempt by turtling them with a shield. NK, Lothric and the final boss are trivialised with shields.
>>336830529
>literally can't
I asked you a simple question. I honestly do want to present you with a list, but do fuck off with such low tier bait.
>>336829746
People who bitch about souls games getting easier are the worst,they don't realize that after playing 3 games of the same formulae ,as a human you will get progressively better at them and each successive installment will feel "casualized"
All you really need to do is stay calm and objectively analyze the games , to get an idea of the most difficult souls game and I can only come to the conclusion that it's Bloodborne, followed by DaS2,followed by DaS3 and then DaS and DeS being equally difficult
Bloodborne because
Faster enemies
Who also hit much harder
No shields
No poise
No significant damage reduction due to lack of armour
Blood vials barely heal you compared to upgraded estus flasks which recover more than 50% of HP sometimes
Parry Windows extremely small
Bosses have mammoth HP pools
Mob AI more advanced than last gen counterparts (not applicable to 3)
Of course one could say that your character also gets faster to keep up, and it's true but it doesn't do much to help you, just because your character can roll that much faster doesn't change the fact that you are going to have to react much more accurately to enemy attacks ,which is what the game is about,your character being able to roll faster doesn't mean shit
DaS2 is next hardest due to straight up artificial difficulty.
DaS3 is hardest because of many reasons it shares with Bloodborne, enemies are fast,no poise etc
>>336830621
>a pool of many is better
So a thread on gamefaqs with 30 people in it is somehow worth more than 1k+ votes? perfect logic
>>336829839
I'm seriously calling bullshit
post a screenshot of your BB completion trophy and Dark Souls too , w/original filenames
>>336830750
>I asked you a simple question
Cool, then you should have no problem naming the hard bosses from BB
>>336830967
>post a screenshot of your BB completion trophy and Dark Souls too , w/original filenames
he can get that from literally anywhere m9
>>336830967
Is this the new "post your copy of bloodborne with a timestamp if you want to criticize it"?
SOULS IS DEAD
>>336830621
>I beat most late-game bosses first attempt by turtling them with a shield. NK, Lothric and the final boss are trivialised with shields.
Must have used a greatshield, because most shields are useless for bosses.
>>336831245
>Must have used a greatshield
Nope, Black Knight shield.
>>336831126
the filenames really help in identifying if he has downloaded someone else's SS or not
Also if he takes more than 5 minutes to reply it's safe to assume he was busy modifying the screenshot filenames to make it look authentic
>>336831206
Yes it is,
Slightly different though
Post your screenshots of the game if you are claiming to have played it
>>336831206
>can't actually name any hard bosses in DaS3
>can't prove he owns the game
wew
>>336831345
*rubs hands together gleefully*
nice! :D
>>336831315
No late-game boss is trivialized by that.
>>336831478
Except people will just claim I modified the filenames.
>>336831575
See, this is how you know he can't prove anything and is being le ironic falseflagger
Implying that I'm a redditor/outsider who doesn't fit into this board's culture
>>336831760
*scratches head*
huh???
>>336831743
They sure will , given the fact that you haven't posted proof yet and you've had sufficient time to do so
But post it anyway
>>336831345
Holy shit my sides, no one can be this autistic
>>336831963
You're pretty dumb, aren't you?
Wow, so people love BB so much that if you want to criticize it, you have provide documentation of it. We should do this for ALL games, not just BB.
>>336829839
Both games have builds that make the game pathetically easy.
Thing is DaS3 is easier because it doesn't have Ludwig and Orphan.
All of the bosses in DaS3 currently can be cheesed with projectiles, considering base game to base game.
Bloodborne is harder because of Chalice Dungeon bosses like Abhorrent beast, Loran Darkbeast, Headless Bloodletting beast and Defiled Amygdala.
Even though projectiles still even make these easier, nothing in the base game of DaS3 is really fast enough to keep up with projectile spam like BB enemies do.
>>336832014
Still no proof to be seen
Maybe people should stop lying on anonymous imageboards
That's the point of being anonymous, nobody is going to know who this ignorant faggot actually is
>>336831074
Yeah, don't bother mate, I already know what bosses you'd list anyway because there only are about 5 that actually put up any kind of fight.
>pontiff
Meme boss. Strafe left and he'll miss most of his shit. Second phase is a joke because his aggression drops.
>nameless king
First phase is pure filler. Second phase is your average telegraphed knight fight. Easily stunlocked with a fast weapon. Only "hard" because of his damage output.
>champ gundyr
Another souls boss trivialised with parries.
>princes
Slow as balls and the few hard-hitting attacks he has are telegraphed to fuck
>soul of cinder
Joke boss. Extremely predictable despite the numerous phases since they all use player shit. Easily tanked with a shield.
>>336831625
Explain how i beat princes and soul of cinder just by hiding behind it and poking them every now and then.
>>336832019
Not just BB, that dumb liar even claimed that DaS was easier than 3 and hasn't been able to prove that he finished it either.
He's just a sad PC cuck ,like you.
>>336832162
Exactly, DaS3 is only hard if you are a cocksucking shiteater.
Everyone knows if you want to classify a hard Dark Souls sequel, that title can only be awarded to the Dark Souls 2 DLC. WIHOUT SUMMONS, if you summon you are a dogshit eating cockmongrel.
>>336824693
>no fap year
>no gf
>no friends
Are you me?
>>336832162
>Explain how i beat princes and soul of cinder just by hiding behind it and poking them every now and then.
Prove you did. That didn't happen. I tried using a shield against Soul of Cinder and every strike took like half of my stamina.
>>336823754
BB last. Seriously.
>>336832019
Problem is, if you've actually been participating in BB threads on /v/ since it was announced, you'd know full well just how many shitters who've never touched the game feel compelled to shitpost it nonetheless due to exclusivity.
Considering this retard couldn't supply any evidence anyway, it's probably safe to include him in this demograph.
>>336832162
>Ebrietas
Just hug her left side and mash R1. joke boss
>Gahrman.
Extremely easy to parry
>Bloodstarved beast
Literally circlestrafe him, simply walk, and all of his attacks will miss. some of them leave him wide open for a backstab
>Shadows of Yharnam
The pillar prevents them from hitting you with fireballs. just R1 mash. joke boss
Bonus :
>Defiled watchdog
Just stay in front of him and attack his head after every attack he does. You bascially can't get hit
Bloodborne is so hard guys! If you think otherwise you simply haven't played it
>>336824693
>>doing a no fap year
how is this even possible
i cant even do three days
>ITT muh souls difficulty
>>336830826
This really.
Reading this will convince anyone that Bloodborne isn't easy and it being easy just a meme spread PCs cancerous playerbase and propagated by the "imsogoodIplaysoulsgames" crowd
Well anyone except the people who don't have an open mind (read:aforementioned PC players)
The only reason BB is even considered above average is shown in this very thread
every criticism is dismissed if you don't upload a full playthrough with highly detailed documentation
>>336832297
I share a PS4 with my dorm mate,m8. Don't reach, never played BB,only have dudebro games on it.
>>336832534
None of those are even the hard bosses of Bloodborne.
Abhorrant Beast
Defiled Amygdala
Headless Bloodletting Beast
Loran Darkbeast
Chalice Ebrietas
Considerably harder than anything any souls game has to offer other than DSII DLC areas which aren't even bosses.
>>336832760
Because most people on this site that criticize the game haven't played it and are angry PCfats.
There is literally nothing wrong with the game if you actually played it and enjoy souls games.
>>336830529
Father Gascoigne and Rom the Vacious Spider.
>>336824693
>tfw one of you're borther's uni friends is like this except he spends to excess on hearthstone cards
>>336832448
>That didn't happen
Well it did. Not even boasting, i'm legit mad the game presented me such an insulting fight for the final boss to the point that I could just turtle all his blows and poke him every so often even while he's going through numerous unseen moveset cycles.
>every strike took like half of my stamina.
Unless you have shit stamina or are holding the block button down at all times then stamina management shouldn't be a problem with an upgraded black knight shield.
>>336832534
Except most of those tips don't work
The shadows second phase long range snek attack goes through the giant stone
You can't fucking backstab BSB you autist , you need to have a charged R2 for backstab, if you circle strafe him and manage to get to his back he'll forward rush halfway across the arena by the time you have charged an R2
>Gehrman
Easy to parry ? Kill yourself.
>Stay in front of watchdog's head and get your face melted when he does the bark attack where he barks like a dog and spews flames with every bark
Please die,you can't even spell the bosses right , you haven't played the game.
>>336832897
Gascoigne is only hard first time you fight him. you probably are going to get replies like "Just parry him easy as fuck lololololol"
Rom isn't really hard, she just punishes impatient players. The one in the Chalice dungeons is more worthy of that title though, but most people are too shit to even get past any chalices.
>>336832019
Naturally people will ask for proof. This happened a lot with Bayo 2 as well, or in the case when any cult franchise goes exclusive for an instalment. The shitposting from non-owners is supermassive black hole-tier of uninformed cynicism.
>>336823754
Bloodborne. Then you can see why DaS3 is shit.
>>336832897
>Rom the Vacious Spider.
Legit gave me more deaths than any DaS3 boss. I can kill her with ease now, but I still think this fight is pretty underrated and about the only good mob fight in the series.
>>336832769
>Headless
Play unlocked. Don't stay in front of him. Attack him after he smashes the ground. He doesn't even oneshot you and all of his moves are highly telegraphed
>defiled amygdala
Just a rehash of the easiest boss in the game, but this time you have less health. stay still and attack his head after the jumps.No skill required
>Loran Darkbeast
The camera is the boss. Get under him and attack a different limb everytime he gets up. he wont get to do much
>Chalice ebrietas
hug her left side and mlash R1. joke boss
>Abhorrent beast
wait for him to do the double straight punch and attack him. stay away from him otherwise. He can't hit you.
Nameless King is harder than any of these and it's sad
>>336832769
Headless BLB in a FRC chalice is easily the hardest boss I've ever repeatedly beaten outside of optional DMC difficulties. I had to memorize every string and potential ender and where to position to control his AI. Never had to do that before him.
It's a fucking shame bosses like him and other FRC bosses are buried in optional content. The chalices should have just been a boss rush mode.
>>336833262
>Nameless King 1st phase
Camera is the boss,lock on to the King himself, not the dragon and trivialize
>2nd phase
Delay your rolls to go along with his delayed attacks
Joke boss
>>336833262
>muh nameless king
>>336832989
You're really bad at Bloodborne
Gehrman is very easy to parry. All of his moves when his weapon is tricked are extremely slow and telegraphed. When he untricks you will parry him if you simply shoot after he rolls. So difficult. even Gundyr is harder to parry.
BSB can be hit with a charged R2 after he does a swipe with his right hand. Since all of his moves can be dodged by strafing to his right, this isn't exactly difficult to do.
Watchdog's "barking" is dodged like every other attack except the charge. By dodging backwards. You mongoloid
You are mad and terrible at the game
>>336833262
>Nameless King.
>Dive for nuts first phase.
>Smash R1 second phase and dodge forward on reaction, no need to memorize patterns or sight recognize wind-ups.
1 try in both my playthroughs. Not him btw.
>playing DaS1 for the first time
>post on /v/ about my misadventures
>say I got the black knight halberd off the 2nd or 3rd black knight I killed, and people flip the fuck out on me for using the best weapon I have available and tell me I need to throw it away and play the game with a shitty weapon, or an unfun one likeZweihander
I don't get it, why do people treat this game like it's NOT some RPG where you use the best items/equipment that you find?
>>336833441
>delay your rolls
Notice how unspecific this is. Since the delays aren't the same on every attack, you actually have to dodge a little bit this time, which makes him harder than all of these by default
Even if chalice dungeons are difficult, it doesn't fucking matter because all of the "difficult" fights are fucking boring and shit. A few of them are literally copy-pasted from the main story. The others are more struggles with the camera than anything else.
>>336833464
>>336833618
Pretty sure he's staggered every 7 hits or some shit. Literally mash to win. No idea how anyone could possibly find him harder than the BB chalice bosses.
>>336832963
No, I'm aware of stamina management and had enough stamina. You aren't fooling anyone. Shields have been nerfed in this game and that's an objective fact.
>>336833657
>using equipment for stats and not fun
It's like you don't even want the true souls experience.
>>336833618
I'm sure you beat every boss on the first try since you never get hit and roll every attack perfectly on reaction. That doesn't add anything to the discussion though
WHO THE FUCK CARES IF A GAME IS HARDER THAN THE OTHER IF IT'S ENJOYABLE
LITERALLY
WHO
CARES
NONE OF THE SOULS GAMES ARE HARD STOP FORCING THIS DUMB LE HARDEST GAME EVER MEME
FUCKIN REEEEEEEEEEE
>>336833764
Did you upgrade your shield? Not even him but the stability you get with upgrades is a much bigger deal in this one than it was in the past.
>>336833762
Stagger is at damage intervals(?). It was the same as Ludwig; if you play properly and ripo every stagger, you will win the fight with a riposte.
>>336833786
I pick the fun weapons with the best stats, I used the regular halberd until my strength was high enough to use the black knight's. While I am a bit of a statswhore, some weapons just aren't appealing to my playstyle.
>>336833901
Heterochromia is shorthand for "I'm creatively bankrupt and couldn't design something to save my life".
>>336833762
Yeah I'm sure you can get 7 hits on him by simply mashing even though he'll have attacked you at least 3 times by then, and you die in two hits
>>336834042
Using anything other than the drake sword for the entire game makes you a scrub.
>>336834054
I have it in real life does that mean I'm a failure
>>336834146
yeah
>>336834146
Kind of yeah. One of your eyes failed to be the correct colour.
>>336833948
It was fully upgraded Dragon Crest Shield I'm pretty sure
>>336833872
I just don't understand how people had trouble with him, or why they site him as a hard boss and I actually died quite a few times to Champ Gundyr.
Literally mashed R1 with Estoc, rolled behind him for every wind up and got hit a couple times by his spear ground-pound lightning shit.
>>336833764
>You aren't fooling anyone.
How fucking salty are you to think i'm making this up? Why would I lie about turtling a boss? Try upgrading your shield you dumbshit, BKS has about 69 stability.
>>336833587
You know , you just gave away the fact that you haven't touched the game right ?
Because GEHRMAN NEVER FUCKING ROLLS,he does the enhanced teleport
quickstep you get by using the Old Hunters bone
Also you retard,telegraphed attacks doesn't necessarily equate to a big parry window, Gehrman shakes off bullets even if you hit him too early or too late during a swing
You can't dodge the Bark by backstepping because he barks 3-4 times each follow up having further range than the previous ,staying in front of his face will get you killed
Don't even know why I'm entertaining you anymore when you've clearly given yourself out as a fraud
>>336834139
>tell /v/ you have the drake sword on your first playthrough
>DELETE THISalbeit it does really over-trivialize things
>>336834065
It happens in that very webm.
>>336834283
Honestly as a bloodborne faggot I thought the fight was easy by spamming augur of ebrietas and having 30 health levels.
>>336824142
In Bloodborne, yes.
In Dark Souls III, kinda. Earlygame is a huge slog, but once you get access to Great Heavy Soul Arrow, you're pretty much set for the rest of the game.
>>336834283
I love BB but people like you should kill themselves
>>336834415
I didn't even have that much health for the DLC.
>>336833710
There's nothing to be specific about.
His attacks are delayed and slow, you can actually track his movements actively and delay your rolls accordingly ,unlike bloodborne where It's spur of the moment and you don't get the leeway to calculate your timings
>>336834139
>>336834341
No the real way to play dark souls is to use drake sword and gravelord sword later on for easy game win.
>>336834282
Why would I be salty? I had an upgraded Dragon Crest Shield and it was shit against most bosses. You're literally making shit up for some reason
>>336834283
>Because GEHRMAN NEVER FUCKING ROLLS
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0c63eT0xv0s&t=1m0s
Oops
>You can't dodge the Bark by backstepping because he barks 3-4 times
I did it everytime. you know you can backstep more than once?
Maybe it's time to stop posting
Unlike people here who are just going to say "Play BloodBorne because it's better" I would also suggest playing DS3 first because the community i still active, and you never know when it might start dying down.
BloodBorne on the other hand, will have a lower population of players, and should be played single player anyway.
>>336834517
Yeah magic builds really make the game easier if you just build health and magic level. Like people were saying Ludwig was hard when I just used Executioner skulls on his first form and my +8 threaded cane with arcane on his second phase and it was pretty easy.
The rest of the bosses were a cakewalk after getting his moonlight magic blade.
Play DaS3 first because then you can end it with the BB dlc which is the hardest and best part of the entire series.
I do think the base game of das3 is better than the base game of BB, though.
>>336834523
Except slow doesn't mean easier to time, if anything it's the opposite
When an attack comes out nearly immediately after the windup, you can dodge very easily on reaction. That's most attacks in Bloodborne.
When an attack is extremely delayed, like the shark giants in the well in BB or nameless king, you have to actively guess the proper timing. The windup could end at any moment and the attack comes out fast after it
Sounds like you got lucky on Nameless and are now bragging about it like it's some sort of achievement
>>336834963
No he can end it with ds2 DLC areas which are the hardest part of the series.
But seriously has no one played the DS2 DLC?
>>336834650
Alright he can roll, my bad,now show me someone parrying him by interrupting his roll with a QS bullet like you claimed
Also do you know how bosses are designed to keep following up with attacks every back step ?
You are lying through your teeth if you say that you dodged that attack by back stepping, especially since you are supposed to sidestep that one.
Maybe it's time you stop lying about having played the game or prove that you have
>>336823754
Dark Souls III doesn't do a lot to change the established formula in the series. It's sort of disappointing to play Bloodborne, then DSIII, so do it in the opposite order. That being said, they're both good games. It's just that BB does more to give the gameplay a fresh feel by emphasizing offense over defense and providing a brand-new, underused setting and flair.
>>336834787
ARC is probably one of the best builds in BB. Saw Spear/Threaded Cane with the crescent fire gem and the fire radials from central pthumeru and you're set.
>>336834595
>Dragon Crest Shield
>56 stability
You're literally using a shield with 13 less stability you twit. Do you even know what stability does?
>>336834968
Except slow does mean easier to time if it's slow enough to keep track of with your eyes,you can literally observe his attack animation and time your roll without getting hit,that's how telegraphed his attacks are
>>336833103
DS3 if you like souls for the gameplay.
BB if you like it for the visuals and barely existent story.
>>336835114
>you are supposed to
maybe that's how you did it, because you didn't realize that it's possible to backstep more than once/your reaction time is just shit
You have thouroughly proven that you don't know shit about this game, and are asking other people for proof that they played it? That's hilarious
>>336835094
When the DaS2 dlc was hard, it was usually for the wrong reasons. I still personally found the BB dlc harder.
Play DaS3 and return BB.
>>336835261
Yeah I'm sure you could do that with his jumping attack/his charge, even though the attack comes out instantly. if it's that easy, you didn't have trouble with any bosses in the series anyway so there's no need to argue this
>>336835361
>for the wrong reasons
Yeah because Fume knight and Alonne were hard for the "wrong reasons"
>>336835249
That's not that large of a difference
>>336835360
He can bark twice per back step , and his second one will hit you ,you still haven't shown someone parrying Gehrman by interrupting his roll
I have throughly proven that I have played the game , meanwhile your outlandish claims have done the opposite for you.
And if you are casting aspersions over the fact that I have played the game , I can turn on my PS4 and PvP with you right now.
Actually that would be a great way for you to prove it too,what do you say ?
We'll also see who is shit at the game and who's better.
>>336835292
>barely existent story
Just because you have seen all the lore youtube videos about Dark Souls doesnt mean any of the souls game have more of a "story" when every single one relies on scraps of text/item descrptions to fill the theme about Darkness and Fire recycled to infinitum.
Bloodborne would actually get criticized much more than DS2 if it wasn't an exclusive
The only thing it does better is the atmosphere, which is debatable
>>336835567
Except not all bosses in the series delay their attacks this much,and hence I do struggle with them, are you dumb or something.
His charge is the only exception to that rule,the jumping attack can be tracked and if you got hit by that even once then it's a damn shame
>>336835781
My "outlandish claims", like the fact that Gehrman can roll? Which, you know, you claimed he couldn't do?
Just stop embarassing yourself
>>336835781
Do it, anon. Show him who's boss of this gym.
You'll be genuinely disappointed in ds3 AFTER you play bloodborne.
>>336836056
FUCK YOU
>>336836042
No like the one where you claimed you could parry Gehrman by interrupting his roll with a Bullet
Like where you claimed you could just sit behind a pillar during the Shadows fight even thow their elastic snake attacks can hit you right through it
As I said , I missed the fact that he can roll and that's my bad , yet there's no doubt that I've played the game because I can prove it to you by PVPing you
>>336836305
Why don't you get out of that, uh, jabroni outfit.
>>336836151
Yeah hell be disappointed because he won't be able to go back to BBs mostly shitty bosses after the second half of 3.
>>336836360
Only the katana and flamethrower shadows have elastic snakes, and that's only after you take out 70% health from one of them. Most importantly, the flamethrower shadow will not do the long range attacks if you stay close to him, which is easily done after taking out one of them. They're only difficult to handle at level 4
>>336835904
Yeah, lets forget about the different combat, the more complex weapons, the lightning, the estrangement with the DeS characters archetypes, the different builds that actually work (not like magic/faith), the surprises in level design and themes in a regurgitated series about dark and fire. Lets forget about the Doll and focus on that bland copy pasted version of Maiden in Black. There's a lot of sick references to DS1 to talk about, right?
>>336834283
I'm pretty sure he does that "roll and shoot" thing papa gassy does. He doesn't start doing the hunter bone stuff until he powers up, I think, not 100% on that one.
>>336836823
After a roll he will either shoot or go for an immediate attack. Both are neutralized by shooting at him after he rolls. He can still roll forward even if he is able to dash. it's a way to telegraph his moves
>>336836573
Maybe, but that still doesn't make up for the shitty recycled movesets, recycled atmosphere, boring narrative, strictly worse handling, duller enemies, armor which does nothing despite it's weight, useless stats, shitty catalyst system, etc.
>>336823972
nice meme
>>336836753
There's nothing more bland than the doll. The "more complex weapons" are actually just normal Dark Souls weapons, except there's two of them at once! originality
Also there's like 15 weapons in the base game
>>336837136
That's cute, you think spouting a bunch of obvious bullshit without explaining any of it will make you win the argument
>>336823754
always play the less refined game first
it can really suck to go back and play something older and less polished
>>336836724
So now you are admitting that there is more to the fight than just sitting behind a pillar ?
You have to pick off the 3 in a specific manner for that to actually work and to know this you'll require awareness about the fight which won't come until a couple of tries
>>336836823
>>336837028
He does roll and shoot like Gascan but he cannot be parried during a roll unlike Gascoigne
See how the goalpost has shifted from parrying to neutralizing
>>336837489
No. If he attacks after a roll, he will be parried. If he shoots, he will be staggered. In both cases, he will be neutralized. Please learn to read.
>>336837364
Yeah, just like there is more than just "parry" to champion gundyr or pontiff sulyvahn. Doesn't mean the fight is hard
>>336837624
Not what you initially claimed
To quote "you will parry him if you simply shoot after he rolls"
You never said anything about parrying a follow up attack after the roll,you claimed that you can parry him after he initiates the roll
>>336837731
Never said Pontiff was about parries,
But champion gundyr is,there is literally nothing else to the fight if you get down the parry timings
Atleast Pontiff had that clone you had to watch out for instead of just waiting for Pontiffs attack and parrying.
>>336838112
But that's exactly what I claimed. You will parry him if you shoot after he rolls
>>336838402
Yes which you won't
You will only parry the if you shoot the FOLLOW UP attack after the roll,you never said anything about parrying the attack after the roll,you said shooting him after he rolls will parry him which is wrong
Shooting him right after the roll begins won't parry him
>>336823754
It depends on if you've played other souls before and you play them.
If you're used to turtling with your shield play Dark Souls 3 first. Because it is more of the same and the game will be quite easy for you to beat, switching to BB will change the way you're playing tremendously and it will make the experience fresh again.
Now if you're used to roll because of the previous games, play BB first. Because the game will seem quite easy to you considering BB has more i-frames, a safe ranged parry which makes crazy damage for very little cost. BB is far from hard when you know how to roll and it can be a deception considering how "hard" the game is supposed to be and the blinded fans will tell you that this swapped color boss in this chalice dungeon lambda can kick your ass even though it is artificial difficulty at its finest. Playing DS3 roll/no shield only will be more gratifying than BB and that's why should play it second in this case.
BB can be fresh if you've not explored all the possible builds in the previous DS, but it can also feel stale if you're already used to roll.
Also I find DS background more personnal than BB considering how BB is more or less an adaptation of a famous author's ideasIt is a lovecraftian game, and that's barely it. You see shit that shouldn't be seen and that's more or less a descent in hell, whereas Dark Souls has several good ideas that you can't find anywhere else.
>>336838703
I said parry after the roll, not while he rolls. I didn't know there people stupid enough to interpret that as "parry the roll". You cannot parry rolls, sorry
>>336838930
Again,you are exposing yourself for not having played Bloodborne
You can parry rolls, to be specific,Father Gascoigne's roll,yes.
And even if you said that , there is a clear distinction between parrying after a roll(can be interpreted as during the roll/when the roll animation begins/as soon as the roll animation ends)
And
parrying the follow up attack after he rolls,
Stop trying to backpedal, you've outed yourself too many times in this thread already
Das3>BB>SOTFS>DaS1>DeS>DaS2
>>336839351
You can't parry Gascoigne's roll you mong, it's the attack he initates after the roll that gets parried
No one is backpedaling here, you are just in a permanent state of confusion caused by your own stupidity
>>336839427
>SOTFS>DaS1
Ya blew it.
>>336839535
Keep digging your own grave
You can interrupt the roll itself with a QS Bullet to stagger him and get a riposte
http://bloodborne.wikia.com/wiki/Father_Gascoigne
>>336836753
The combat is not that different if you've played different playthroughs of the previous dark Souls. BB just forces you to play with an overpowered parrying dagger instead of a shield and with a safer roll.
BB has actually less interesting builds options considering how fast the game is. You'll always play with the same opening in the bosses' guards because most weapons are quick.
Also without the DLC, BB has poor variety in the weapon choice and the game rewards less the exploration despite having a better overworld than DS3 and tighter level design.
>>336824142
>Is magic viable to do a first PvE run?
Do you like to live on the edge?
>>336839923
No you can't if you shoot before he initiates the attack you will stagger him, as in cancel out his animation
Also good to know your main experience with the game is reading a wiki
I'm on the edge of falling for the PS4 meme for Bloodborne. There's a couple of other games I'm interested in playing like Samurai Warriors 4, Earth Defense Force, Uncharted 4 and eventually FFXV, Persona 5 and Nier but my better judgement is telling me not to pull the trigger thanks to the recent news about the PS4.5. I've been mulling over the decision for days now, is Bloodborne good enough to warrent getting a regular PS4 for?
>>336840350
Not now that the PS4 2.0 is coming out
at least wait for the inevitable price drop
>>336840350
BB isn't going anywhere. It will still be available in 6 months from now. Buy your console when P5 and/or FF15 will be out.
There's no need to buy a console before the release of the games you're interested in. Especially when the price is about to drop.
>>336840320
So I've thrown proof right in your face where it is explicitly mentioned that you can parry him DURING a roll and all you've got is
>nuh uh
Again you've outed yourself , there's no point in continuing to dig your own grave , of course you could prove me entirely wrong about you if you want by PvPing me but you won't because you haven't played the game
>>336840068
>less interesting build options
Yes, this is true. Differences in builds are basically "how fast do you want your weapon to be."
I still thought the game was harder than the other Souls games. An example of why is that there are often more enemies that you have to fight at a time in BB. I always play as a speedy little rolly bitch, so in DS I had a fine time picking off enemies one by one. It's a lot harder to have to manage dodges on multiple enemies at the same time. Regardless, the difference in difficulties between these games is relatively negligible, likely personal, and definitely does not warrant hundreds of posts arguing.
>>336830826
>DaS2 is next hardest due to straight up artificial difficulty.
Yeah, it's definitely artificial difficulty, not your inability to understand environmental cues or adapt to situations of any kind.
>>336840590
You've shown no proof whatsoever. You simply misread a sentence in a wiki.
>Keep digging your own grave
He says, while digging his own grave
>>336839784
The second half of DaS1 is dogshit m8
>>336840350
I'd recommend getting one ~a month before FFXV drops so you can finish the games that are out now before you hop on the FFXV ship. PS4k should be announced by then, and hopefully info on a drop of the base model as well. You can then make the decision on how much this difference in price/quality is worth waiting for games you're interested in playing.
>>336840893
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QoJghxX3m7U&app=desktop
See from 0:42
>no U are digging ur own grave
Again,you Don't have to keep doing this.You're anonymous.
Here's more
http://www.gamespot.com/articles/bloodborne-boss-guide-how-to-beat-father-gascoigne/1100-6426139/
Quoting the article
" The good news is that you can also stun him for a visceral attack if you manage to hit him during his forward roll. "
You are about 6 feet deep right now, that should be enough
>>336841235
Holy fuck you're retarded.
Notice how he hits him after the roll ends? And when the attack animation starts?
I think you're probably trolling at this point, because there is no way anyone could be that stupid
>>336841428
At 0:42 onwards ? No
No he hits him just as Gascoigne is about to stand up I.e roll phase
Now you're pretending to be blind
I gave you wiki proof,which said only stagger no visceral
I gave you visual proof which clearly shows Gascoigne getting parried before roll phase
I've given you a GS article which explicitly mentions you can parry him "DURING" the forward roll and get a "visceral"
So at this point you are trying to discredit me as a troll because you've got nothing left to go on,go lie in the grave you dug
It's okay by now it's thoroughly clear that you haven't played Bloodborne one bit , so it doesn't matter what you think of me,troll or otherwise
>>336823754
Play bloodborne , then DS3.
>>336829409
can confirm this
>>336841925
There's such a thing as rolling attacks. this isn't a "roll phase", this is Gascoigne initating a rolling attack and getting parried. I never thought I would have to explain this, but you cannot parry rolls.
I'm done replying to bait now
>>336832769
>Headless Bloodletting Beast
>Loran Darkbeast
Both the boss is the camera
>Defiled Amygdala
u havin a giggle mate? he is easy to predict and stun. The problem is the hp gimmick
>Abhorrant Beast
this is the only hard one , but if you learn how to dodge and now when attack is easy , just like Gundyr.
>Chalice Ebrietas
>i can' dodge ebrietas charge the post
>>336842170
>I'm done replying to bait now
So as I said,you lost and hence are discrediting me as a troll
First you said "you can't parry Gascoigne's roll,you can parry the follow up attack"
Now you are backpedaling to "the roll is actually an attack"
Rolls and attacks are to mutually exclusive things , you can't parry a rolling R1 unless you actually parry the swing not the roll , but in BB and specifically in this fight you can parry the roll animation itself as it has been clearly stated in the wiki, the GameSpot article and shown in the video.
Reply or don't reply it stopped meaning anything when you kept backpedaling so much and refused to PvP me or even post screenshots of your trophy
You were outed then and there,you just chose to keep digging your own grave and now you are lying in it
>>336842768
The roll isn't an attack you retard, a rolling atack is an attack you initate immediately after a roll. Which is what Gehrman and Gascoigne do, and what anyone sane would understand if you tell them to "parry after the roll"
>it has been clearly stated in the wiki, the GameSpot article and shown in the video
This is fucking hilarious and I'll give you credit for it
>>336829746
This is the same guy who thinks that DaS2 is as good as DaS1. He also thought Gerhman was "nothing special" and that the chalice dungeons were a great inclusion. Hes superbunnyhop levels of sounding smart but actually being retarded.
>>336842768
eh, dont bother with him m8. he's obviously a lying shitter pcuck that doesn't own the game and has never played it, only seen a bunch of youtube videos to allow him to damage control. he is one sad cookie and this is all his life will ever be.
>>336823972
SPICY MEME FRIEND XDD
>>336843008
>hahahha all this proof is so funny
Typical,
A rolling attack cannot be parried mid roll,the parry has to come during the actual swing.
But in Gascoigne's case you can parry the roll and you'd have known it if you had played the game instead of watching walkthroughs because I'm sure you've seen some other hunter get parried after rolls and tried to apply it to Gehrman.
It's clear you meant to imply that Gehrman could be parried during rolls otherwise you'd have made the distinction between the follow up Attack and the roll itself
You also happened to make this distinction when we were arguing about Gascoigne,why not in the original post then ? Because you never meant to make that distinction
I don't know what makes you a compulsive liar like this but you should get it checked out by a therapist
>>336843530
>But in Gascoigne's case you can parry the roll
No, you can't. What's being parried is the followup attack. You cannot parry rolls
>>336830826
BB is harder to get into. But if you're used to play without shield in DS, BB is easier than a no shield run in DS3 even though they are basically the same thing.
Playing the entire game with the starting mercenary twinblades was harder than anything found in BB (excluding Ludwig)
>>336843703
Except I've shown you otherwise
I've given citations to otherwise
I've given link to a wiki that says otherwise,
All of them clearly state "during the roll",
At this point you are just reduced to
"Nuh uh"
To parry the follow up Attack you have to parry the swing itself , but the video clearly shows Gascoigne beginning to stand up after the roll and getting parried before he even begins a swipe
0:42 onwards if you want to take a look again
>>336823754
sell dark souls 3 and buy bloodborne dlc and dark soul 2
>>336843710
This.
DaS3 is either the easiest or hardest souls game depending on your build. BB is easy no matter how you play it.
>>336843973
Your own inability to read and to understand what's going on in the video is the problem here. I've already explained it to you and at this point I'm just repeating myself. You cannot parry a roll. What you are parrying is the following attack.
Citing Gamespot as a credible source doesn't do you any favors either
>>336835762
That's actually huge.
>>336828194
(You)
>>336837340
You mean like what you did with BB's bosses? Fuck off.
>>336823754
DAS3 is as a matter of fact easier then Bloodborne.
The first 4 bosses all togher have a 70 percent completion rate on Playstation.
While Father Gasgione only 60 percent of all people beat the first real boss not optional cleric beast.
Thats the proof that Bloodborne is harder than dark souls 3.
Play DAS3 enjoy it. Learn from it an go into Bloodborne with some skills and ability
>>336827994
>a website for shitters to post their times wiping repeatedly
>>336844283
You haven't explained the logic behind Gascoigne getting parried even though he hasn't even begun his follow up swipe after the roll
My ability to read is fine,a stagger means an opportunity to riposte,what you are referring to as a 'neutralization' is called a stunlock which is again very distinct from stagger,your lack of knowledge about the game,which is a given since you haven't played it is the problem
Also are you going to pretend that it's a magical co-incidence that both GameSpot and the Wiki confirm that Gascoigne can be staggered during the roll , but GameStop being more specific and mentioning the visceral.
Your misunderstanding of the concept of stagger and stunlock is what's the problem
And I've explained it to you many times as well,If there was a follow that was being parried then it would have to be parried during a weapon swing, not during the roll
There's nothing you can do to discredit GameSpot as a source
>>336844810
Learn to speak English before posting stupid shit.
>>336844810
You know there's a game past the first boss right?
>>336844810
>Begins the game
>Get filtered by the first boss
>"This game is too hard for me, I give up"
>Stops playing even though Gascogne is one of the hardest bosses (comparatively to your gear) of the whole game.
Base DaS3 is slightly better than base BB
BB DLC is very good, DaS3 dlc isn't out.
DaS3 has a hell of a lot more balance issues though. They didn't affect me because my favorite DaS weapons are alwaysstraight swordsanyway
Just flip a coin to decide which one to play
>>336844918
>even though he hasn't even begun his follow up swipe after the roll
He clearly has. Notice how he only shoots after the roll is over? That's Gascoigne barely starting his attacking animation. The same thing happens with Gehrman. Guess what happens if you don't shoot? The boss attacks you.
At this point it feels like I'm talking to a wall
Did anyone ever say the DS3 cover looks like he's giving a thumbs up?
Just agreeing with the rest of the thread.
DaS3 first, then BB.
DaS3 is breddy gud, so you'll get through that thinking "fuck, that was awesome", but Bloodborne is simply amazing and will leave you with a sweet Soulsborne aftertaste. BB is like the epic dessert.
>>336830826
This.
The hardest Souls game is your first.
>>336844942
How am i speaking shit its the truth.
>>336845034
I got the platinum and got all the DLC trophies champ.
>>336845050
And your proving my point that Bloodborne is harder then DAS3 if the first boss filters out 40 percent of the game from the get go. And thats the reason OP should play DAS3 first.
>>336830826
>Blood vials barely heal you compared to upgraded estus flasks which recover more than 50% of HP sometimes
Vials always heal 40%, are super fast to use and you can carry 20 of them right at the start.
