how do we fix winston?
make his weapon not auto aim so it can actually do damage
He's already really good
>>336809705
make him human
We wait until people have fully understood his role as disruption / anti-synergy, and how good it actually is, before crying for fixes.
You fucking buffoons.
>>336809705
Why would you want to fix him? He's strong enough.
He's so strong it isn't funny. Can make a McCree cry out for his mummy. He can push the payload with relative ease, and make crushing shitters seem like such a breeze.HE
>>336811482
>You fucking buffoons.
he is an ape you fucking monkey
>>336809705
Remove him from the game.
Seriously, he's nothing.
>>336809705
Make his gun do damage
Or
Increase his gun's range past 2 feet
Does he even have an alternate fire mode?
fuck he's the woist
>>336809705
Winston is the only character I feel like I just don't get.
His weapon does piss poor damage. His leap is fun but not very useful. His bubbleshield seems to be his only redeeming quality, but it's nowhere near good enough playing an otherwise worthless character for.
Whenever I try to play him, I feel like I'm doing it wrong. How can a character be THIS underpowered relative to the rest of the classes?
I thought he was shit for a while but now I understand him and I've seen the light. He's like a not shitty version of Dva. In fact last night he delivered my best match stat-wise with 38 kills and 32 objective kills
>>336812262
His bubble sheild isn't even good, McCree can take it out in 12 shots.
Make his gun do more damage maybe? I agree that everything about him is incredibly underwhelming.
>>336812262
>>336812437
>place bubble
>bastion takes it down in >2 seconds
>>336812493
>.02 seconds.
>Give alternatre fire mode
>bump shield back up to 750 or 800. 600 is too low
>Winston can prematurely detonate the dome to stun people briefly
Last one might be a bit broken, but he really needs a bit more. He's fun as fuck to play. Maybe give him a second ability in rape-ape mode.
>>336812028
>>336812456
if you're going to increase his damage you need to remove the aimbot from his weapon
if you're not going to remove the aimbot I would decrease his damage, it's too big for the 100% accuracy his gun has
>>336812602
How about giving buddies who enter the field a shield stack?
>>336811482
This.
In closed beta, he was an overpowered flying tank.
Now he's more of a disruptor as anon said. You're supposed to leap to characters like Widow and take them out. You're supposed to pop your ult and smack people out of their ults, separate their team and get people off objectives.
I really think that his gun should have a longer range alt fire mode.
Kinda like Roadhog. Doesnt have to be as strong, I just want to have SOMETHING.
Even Reinhardt has that projectile.
Improve damage on his weapon or increase his shields health
>>336812262
I just had a good game with him, all I did was jump around the enemy team and distract them. This was the best I could do I think
>>336809863
Then it would be Zarya's exact gun and people would complain more.
>>336812696
he is probably pretty op on console
smash your stuff and get kills
>make character that is made to leap into the entire enemy team to "disrupt"
>give him a shitty bubble the breaks in seconds
>people can just leave the bubble, it's not a thunderdome
>most bubbles end with winston sitting in it with nobody to attack and everyone charging up their one shots for when it breaks
>if he does get into the backlines his damage is shit
>can only kill hanzos and widowmakers
It's actually funny. With how weak the shield is people still group up under it. People actually group into a tight clump...in a game...where area one shots exist. Thanks for the PotG winston!
>>336809705
Make him white.
>>336813074
I didn't even think about it
yeah, the console game probably has 6 winstons in every game
>>336811864
scientist actually
>>336811482
Haven't played yet but by the sounds of it he can be a huge nuisance in the right hands, one of my potential mains
>>336809705
Give him more health.
>>336813272
>mfw you can't even tell the difference between /pol/ and false flaggers trying to bring home the point that they're cancer
>>336813152
They nerfed it. It was hilarious OP before.
>>336812262
He's not weak, you're just playing him wrong. He's durable, his damage is undeniable in the literal sense, and his utility and mobility are on the high end. You can make this work in many, many situations.
>>336812493
Yeah, the bubble isn't for blocking bastion, it's for blocking pretty much everything else. But it should be noted that with the way damage works out in this game, sometimes all you need is an extra second to make kills happen, and the barrier can accomplish that.
>Do my actual job as Winston and annoy points and snipers to make an opening
>Team is all over the place
Randoms are no fun
He's probably Metzen's favorite character.
He ain't goin' nowhere.
Roadhog is a better disruptor if you can consistently land your hooks.
>trying to ape up a control point the enemy got locked down good
>drop shield and use Q
>bastion still wrecks me in seconds
>>336813725
Depends on the map.
Roadhog has no mobility and his hook has a very limited range.
>>336811482
>>336812412
>>336812797
>>336813306
intelligent and hardworking heroes
>>336809705
>>336809863
>>336811880
>>336812028
>>336812215
>>336812262
>>336812456
>>336812602
>>336812910
>>336813272
>>336813315
underage shitters
>>336813576
>try to make a moving wall through a chokepoint for my team as Reinhardt
>they all run ahead of me and die and I'm left alone once again
My fucking friends even did it once but at least on that occasion I could yell at them about it.
winston can absolutely fuck mercy and widowmaker. that makes him good enough in my book
>>336813771
you're not supposed to let bastion see you
if he sees you, you're dead in less than a second even if you have 1000hp with winston's ult
>>336812934
Not really. Zarya's gun is more for lobbing those energy bombs and giving cover fire than being close up and using her laser fire.
>>336813074
>>336813178
No more than any other character. Stop assuming that console owners are utterly incapable of aiming. It just makes you look stupid.
>>336814010
Doujin where?
>>336814078
The whole point of picking winston was to destroy their turret nest. His """"""""""immense""""""""" HP didn't even matter though.
Partially my stupid team's fault for not focusing Bastion though.
If played property he's fantastic.
If played by your average scrub player he goes flying strait into his death every time
Winston is amazing. I can't get a handle of his ult though, knocking everybody around seems to be more to my detriment than anything.
>>336814260
stop trying to pretend winston takes skill
he's so braindead a 10000 hour player would still get killed by a 1 hour winston player if he saw him first
>>336814010
>be mercy
>big ass monkey jumps towards me
>float over to my buddy lol
If you catch a Mercy who's all by herself, fair enough. Fuck that idiot that plays her, tho.
>>336814374
>stop trying to pretend winston takes skill
I never said he did, you fucking retard
>>336814374
This applies to almost everyone in overwatch though.
>>336814260
You can say that about any and every hero.
>>336813152
Holy shit what if winston could trap enemies in his bubble with him?
>>336814439
half the time mercy jumps to a new player that puts in her in an even more shitty place
>>336813891
But his survivability makes him a consistent threat, and his hook ends enemy ults faster than winston going ape on someone
>>336814580
he can't trap them exactly, but someone he puts in his bubble can't shoot out of the bubble, while your team can still shoot in
>>336814580
>I'm not trapped in here with you.
>YOU'RE TRAPPED IN HERE WITH ME!>chimps out
>>336813904
Loseton is shit, stop pretending he's not because you happened to kill a group of retards that didn't even notice you draining their health.
>>336814551
Duh, but Winston is particularity bad in this way. Lots of players leap strait into their deaths and assume he's bad. Other heroes aren't as high mobility combined with a low range attack
Winston requires team work to actually do his job properly. You're supposed to coordinate with your team while disrupting theirs and picking of the squishies like tracer, mecree and widowmaker instead of playing him like reinhardt. His ult is goat for capturing/blocking stuff. He might not work as well in a pub environment, but you're retarded if you think he is in any way underpowered.
>>336813176
>haha, blacks are gorillas xD
Fucking racist.
>>336814498
and that's why this game is shit
>>336814775
Victoryston is good, stop pretending he's not because you bubble'd in front of the entire enemy team and expected to survive
>>336814460
>I never said Winston takes skill
>>336814260
>If player by a skilled player he's fantastic
>If played by a loser he does poorly
got a split personality disorder, my poor mentally deficient baby?
>>336815417
I said "played properly", you fucking idiot
>>336815134
Dude, take a look at them. Seriously.
I can almost guarantee once people start gitting gud and we get an idea for the "tiers" Winston will not be considered low tier
>>336815532
stop posting you giant moron
this is the kinda person that plays overwatch
So how do I play him as disruption?
>>336815682
Do you feel embarrassed knowing that you call people out without property reading their posts?
>>336809705
He's already really good. You jump in on supports and snipers in the back and watch them attempt to run away. Winston's fun as fuck, and extremely useful if he's played well.
>>336815778
Get in and get out, 1v1 or (depending on who you're against) 1v2 people with the bubble, use (r)ape mode to separate combos, gank their supports
>>336815553
Competitive meta comp is 2Winston 2Tracer 2Lucio.
>>336816112
Thanks! I'll give him a try
>>336816175
Nah, no mccree or reinhardt?
How the fuck is RoadHog in anyway balanced?
>has a chain hook shotgun combo that instant kills most heroes
>has 600 fucking health
>his self heal gives him 300 health
>selfheal only has a 4 second cool down
What the fuck were these clowns thinking? This guy is suppose to be a tank but has the ability to instakill like an assassin. Even his ult is fucking nuts. Jesus Blizzard get your shit together.
>>336816330
They're both great in normal play but lose effectiveness vs coordinated teams, Tracer just has insane mobility and her ult if done right is pretty much unavoidable. Winston and Lucio are picked because of their ability to lock down objectives.
>>336816473
Because you're playing a game of rock, paper, scissors.
Plenty of counters to Roadhog.
>>336815778
you jump over the front lines, pop down you shield and hunt their squishy heroes while at the same time your team goes in.
you jump into the objective plop down your shield while at the same time your team goes in.
you jump on a sniper or someone who is out of position, kill them and get out before their team gets there
you ult unto a point, knock people the fuck out of the way while your team goes
>>336816473
He has zero mobility
Learn the range on his hook. Stay out of it. If you're unable to fight him at range, lure him towards your snipers and they'll pop him like a zit.
As long as nobody wanders near him he can't do much.
>>336809705
Nerf the size of his shield and his dmg a little.
>>336815778
Jump in, bubble, zap some bitches. Your jump will be back up by the time the bubble breaks. If the fight is on your side, jump on someone. If it isn't, jump out.
Save the ulti for teamfights. Don't focus on killing people, just focus on smacking them off the objective, off cliffs, keeping them away from your team.
>>336814439
My favorite part of playing Mercy is people who don't give a fuck that I'm playing Mercy, and they like making it exceedingly difficult to stick by them so I get caught out and die.
>>336815868
A character being no-skill implies that anyone can play them properly.
>>336815778
>Know where health packs are
>Find squishy characters that are somewhat separated. Widow, Hanzo, supports.
>Leap on top of them, drop your dome for some privacy give them the hot monkey dick.
>Leap away to medpacks.
>put domes on the payload so it moves with it
>Q heals you to full and shortens the cooldown on leap. Leap onto a point, dome, get low as possible then hit Q, proceed to punt enemies away from the point. Hope your team capitalize on your distraction and don't just stand there watching you die.
>Q won't save you from Bastion, nor will leaping on top of him.
>>336812493
>characters have counters
wew lad, thats like complaiing about dying to Reaper when he out DPS' you and has ways of mitigating your damamge
I'm trying to get a feel for each character's theme/role, correct/adjust me if I'm wrong.
Genji: Anti sentry/Bastion, quick multi kill finisher off weakened enemies
Reaper: self-sustaining killstreaker, flanker
Tracer: harassment and anti-Reinhardt
Pharah: air-to-surface attacker from unexpected angles
McCree: 1v1 executioner, close ranger with some long range ability
Soldier47/whatever: jack of trades
Bastion: point holder
Honzo: mobile sniper + recon
Junkrat: emplacement/group destroyer
Mei: slowdown
Torbjorn: area denial engie
Widow: longer range sniper + recon
D.Va: hit and run tank
Reinhardt: team protector + single target remover
Roadhog: medium range self-sustaining juggernaut
Winston: mobile disruptor and anti shield, anti-Tracer
Zarya: counter-attack style tank
Lucio: mobile area buff and heal
Mercy: dedicated healer and damage booster
Symmetra: mobile engie and trapper
Zenyatta: anti-tank, single target debuff, combat medic who doesn't have to babysit
>>336809705
more health, I don't know if my friends just retarded but I had to constantly hold his hand as Mercy for him to really tank
>>336813152
the shield, you and your teammates can shoot out of it, but enemies can't shoot in it unless they are in it. You're suppose to put it down, and dance between them and the shield to prevent damage so they either have to dance with you, or are forced to retreat.
He's fine. Fix Bastions OP ass...
>>336818849
Stop playing Hitman.
>>336819083
What does that have to do with anything?
>>336809705
Weapon alt fire that tags people. Tagged people take 125% damage from his gun. Can have 3 tags active. They last for 5 seconds.
Adds an element of skill to shut the auto-aim retard up. Also adds more damage output which he sorely needs as well as keep the cone of fire his weapon has.
Alternatively, the gun does more damage on enemies under his shield. It's way too easy to walk through his shield and fuck him up since his DPS is so low.
>>336809705
Keep him from going bananas.
>>336816473
Reaper does max damage to him, and if he hooks Reaper, he can just Go Ghost and ignore your burst. Mei does really well against him as well since she can somewhat do the same thing (but Mei does well against everyone except for Widowmaker and good Reapers so)
I was thinking about it first, but then i played him more and i wrecked shit. He's really good at melting flimsy characters, since he's so mobile you can jump in and kill and jump out. Just pop the shield when you land and you have better chance of survival. He is pretty good at taking out sentries too. Also he is super fun in KOTH.
I've never had a problem with him and I think he is almost as useless as D.Va. His electric gun just tickles my balls. Though I only play Roadhogg.
>>336814104
Why does Zarya's gun have so little ammo though?
If I have to reload multiple times to kill one hero even using just the beam what's the point?
Should I just punch them?
>>336819554
One man apocalypse!
Nobody really needs to be nerfed
Mercy should be the best healer though because she is just useless as is when compared to Lucio and Zenyatta
>>336809705
Affirmative action might work.
>>336820216
Reinhardt needs to be nerfed. Defensive plays in general are just too strong, and encourages cowardly plays.
>>336820216
Isnt she alreeady the best healer though?
>>336815134
>>336820632
Nah Lucio is. Decent enough healer with too many other advantages.
I'm hesitant to call for nerfs but the two characters I feel are genuinely pushed more than necessary are Mei and Lucio.
I never see him played, but his bubble shield makes playing Roadhog a lot harder, so he's neat like that I guess.
>>336820216
Bastion.
>find a lone lucio
>should be easy, jump next to him and start zapping
>finally dies like 5 seconds later
What if the gun disabled healing while shocking people?
>>336811482
He's basically a Teamfight version of Tracer with the same lolnodamage
>>336809705
1. ult needs to make him faster
2. ult needs to work on bastion in siege mode
it's fucking stupid that roadhog can pull bastion out of siege mode but winston can't do shit against it.
Give him an alt fire lightning gun. Blizzard have stolen almost every other UT gun so why not that one as well?
>>336816905
>Your jump will be up by the time the bubble breaks
They reduced the jumps cooldown to 1 second? Neat.
>>336820949
Assuming you only played during the open beta, be glad you werent around when this was a thing
>>336819248
125% damage as in +125% or +25%? If it's the former, that's bananas.
give him a bigger bulge
>>336821315
Wow. Fuck that.
Yeah, just started playing it this week. Apparently he used to have a 180 degree swivel too, but was removed. Shit needs to come back.
>>336821315
>>336821510
Actually that limited how far he could turn, so it was far easier to flank the bastion compared to now.
>>336821315
hahahahahaha
Blizzard should've curbed the number of characters, they clearly can't handle the balancing of this many.
>>336812262
His ult is pretty good when up but it takes so long for him to get it.
>>336819554
>mfw 65% average hook accuracy
>>336821983
That tells me you worry too much about it. It has like 6 seconds cooldown, spam that shit.
>>336821315
Bastion isn't OP at all but I think the should benefit more from his turret mode when used well at medium/close range.
SLOW his aim speed but increase damage a.k.a. make it like a minigun that has to spin-up/spin-down etc;
>>336812934
>Then it would be Zarya's exact gun and people would complain more.
Then call out those who complain as raycis, or whatever's more appropriate for the monkeyman.
>Mentally-ill human can ez-mode
>Furries get oppressed
>>336821269
>Jumping into places where you'll immediately die
Sorry, forgot to list step 1
>Don't be a retard
>>336822127
>slow his aim speed
Then people would just up their sensitivity
>>336822127
Maybe a wind up time in his turret mode where his damage is weak at start but ramps up as he continuously fires or something like that
>>336812493
>place bubble over your own bastion
>5k
>>336822272
That's stupid, if the game has a limit on how fast he can aim no amount of sensitivity will change it.
>>336820010
Learn how to aim. Her bombs deal enough to two shoot a weaker character like tracer and leave most near death otherwise.
And a full clip of her laser at the effective range deals pretty consistent dps if you are hitting the head. Her main thing is covering other players. I usually follow a reaper or other high damage dealer around and pop a shield on him while he is in a fight to soak up some damage and then finish off his enemies.
>>336822127
Just balance Bastion the same way turret and bipod machine guns are balanced in every other fps
>can only rotate 180
>takes longer to deploy
>takes longer to reload
>accuracy falls off at a distance
>defending
>suddenly everyone else in your team is a no show for almost all of the game, despite knowing that they're out there somewhere
>>336821983
>Get a game with 93% hook accuracy and 15 hook kills
What the chances that pic related will be nerfed guys? I love him too much for that to happen.
winston is good if you're offense on payload
>>336822576
Originally he could only rotate for a certain amount of degrees but had a shield to compensate.
Imho accuracy/damage does need to fall off at range, in a game where more than half the cast is only effective at close range they shouldn't give bastion the ability to destroy at such long range.
Remind me how is le thicc chinese ice lady balanced again?
>Highlight of the match is Bastion in a corridor
Great character.
>>336823742
She is literally worthless against more than one opponent
He's fine. He does exactly what he needs to do. He's a backline disruptor, meaning snipers and supports are most likely to be fucked with.
>>336823160
Considering they nerfed McCree's Flashbang + Fan combo, probably pretty high.
Problem is, if they nerf Roadhog then he'll be useless because he's already below par.
>>336823160
Seems to be the best tank by a longshot so highly likely
>>336820862
Now that i think about it, even Zen has the advantage of being able to heal someone at almost any range. Also his ult is a huge heal too.
>>336818849
>Zenyatta: anti-tank
shhh dont tell anyone.
>>336824429
???
>>336824435
too bad buddhabot basically has no reason to ever be near the fray since his weapon has such range and he can heal/debuff by spotting an enemy once.
his ult is fucking stupid considering the rest of his playstyle
>>336824429
too bad he's actually the worst
>Pick Roadhog
>Wait until Winston roids out
>Use your ultimate and make him literally useless
There, that's the secret you fucking retards.
>>336823742
Have you tried playing her? She's basically a Tf2 pyro but with a potential to actually adversely influence the team by dropping retard icewalls in retard places.
>>336824931
>>Use your ultimate
Stopped reading there. Cause your ultimate is ALWAYS up right? Fucking idiot.
>>336825224
You are aware that his is also an ultimate, right? If you don't charge it as fast as him, if not faster, then you're shit at the game.
>>336823805
The highlight system seems pretty screwed up desu. Seems to be completely based on number of kills within x amount of time.
>>336824765
Yeah wont deny his ult needs some rethinking.
>>336825431
I mean it makes sense, they probably don't wan't the reel to turn into a 2 minute video to capture the whole play. The whole concept is completely borked for this game though, triples never seem to happen from skill but from the ultimates.
>>336818190
>hot monkey dick
Winston is the best husbano
>Use D.VA
>Get most damage and eliminations
Am I a god or is my team shit?
>>336809705
I never play Winston
That said, had 5 friends and decided to all go Winston one match and crushed the other team. Honestly don't even know how
>>336827317
dunkey pls go
>>336816048
>Absolutely fucking bananas
I chuckily snorted
>>336809705
>People think Winston is bad
He's beyond good.
You literally just fucking JUMP into the enemy team with your low cooldown JUMP that goes far as fuck and fucking ruin everything. When you're low you drop your shield and JUMP to a fucking health pack, wait for them to do their shit, then JUMP back in and take out their Sniper/Supports. Rub your dong as the Sniper can literally do nothing as you zap her to death. When she tries to grapple away you JUMP on top of her and spam "Hello!" and proceed to finish her off.
You keep fucking doing this until you have ult, then you fucking ult when you're about to die and just fucking ruin everything with your 2 second cooldown JUMP, 1000HP and knockback punches.
>His weapon does no damage
It does decent damage without having to aim it. I've gotten 20+ kills on him before, it's not even uncommon.
>>336818849
Something you left out about Hanzo and something that most dont notice is that he's the geometry/hitting shit out of your line of sight sniper
The sensor to see your target/prep a shot before they can react. Scatter to surprise kill the enemy you revealed, and your ult to hit a group of enemies revealed
>>336824579
what
>enemy team has a lucio and a mercy
>Jump on in past their offense heros
>mercy dead in literally one second
>PRO MLG 420BLAZEIT lucio with boosted fast song on trying to dodge and weave around me
>I just stand there pooping on him with my auto-aim gun.
>Enemy team turns around after both supports are dead
>drop a bubble on them
>My leap is off CD now
>Ape escape.
I did this all game.
>>336809705
>Drop the game
>Play Tf2 instead
Here's your fix, Op.
>>336809705
Make it so his gun doesn't become useless if the enemy team has a mercy
step 1 is to make him not a hard counter to symmetra
we've got to stop this black on black violence
>>336809705
Blizzard completely fucked up when they changed bastion. What they should have done is took Winston out of the game, take Bastion's personal shield out of the game, give Bastion the Lshift Bubble shield, and nerf Bastion's chain gun a bit.
>tfw the enemy team has a widowmaker
>tfw the enemy team has a mei
>tfw the enemy team has a Bastion
>>336809705
Really, I would just change his shield as its really only there to buy you enough time to leap out.
>>336817473
>tfw me when playing d.va
s-sorry anon
>/v/ complains Overwatch has low skill ceiling, no depth and no team work
>refuses to learn characters and want them all to be run and gun because thats all they know how to do
Someone teach me how to be good with McCree. Im trying to play him well, but it seems like he just doesnt do much damage unless you alt fire, and the only time that works is if youre up close or theyre stunned. Im guessing hes supposed to be played like a mid-range guy who picks people off?
>>336831626
he's a counter pick to squishies
his ult "locks on" faster depending on how much health they have
>>336812797
but anon that doesn't get kills therefore it can't be useful
