Which is better, lads?
http://www.strawpoll.me/10140768
>>336663340
http://www.strawpoll.me/10140780
>>336663340
Both are trash. Worse than assfaggots.
>>336663340
they aren't really that comparable Honestly.
TF2 is at it's core, an FPS game. The original Concept for TF in general was Quake with classes.
Overwatch is more or less like a MOBA boiled down to it's core (huge variety of heros with unique abilities in a theme setting) and then polished to be more like games like Smite.
But if you were to compare the two, TF2 would surely win, simply because it's a source game, meaning it's fully moddable and has a huge community that creates free content for it 24/7 (maps, reskins, Source Filmmaker Short Films, etc)
this is just a personal preference for me, but unless Overwatch offers this much as well, TF2 will always be better
TF2
Overwatch because waifus and more unique characters.
I choose waifus the game
>>336663340
Vanilla TF2 is better than Overwatch.
Overwatch is better than modern TF2.
>>336663340
Prime TF2 >>> Overwatch
Modern TF2 = Overwatch
>>336663340
>blizzcucks needs games to be worse than thiers to make them selves feel better
Wew lad grow up.
If you are that insecure about your shit game don't buy it
>>336664857
/thread
>>336663631
>>336663340
One isn't fucking out yet, one has been out for, what, 10 years or so with moderately consistent updates.
How is that even remotely a fair or sensible comparison?
>>336664857
>Overwatch is better than modern TF2.
If you put the cosmetics and shitty playerbase aside, modern TF2 still has decent gameplay, even if it's been diluted with shitloads of new weapons.
Overwatch doesn't even have that
>>336663631
You know that TF2 came out in 2007, right? It is currently 2016. Overwatch is still a few weeks from launching. How the flying fuck would it already have tons of updated, mods, and community made content? How?
>>336665330
I disagree with your opinion.
>>336665115
>>336665489
>I'm literally retarded
Blizzard. It's Blizzard making it. When was the last time Blizzard had mods for their games?
Diablo 2/WoW/WC3, take your pick. That's when.
>>336665732
Starcraft 2 actually of which the latest episode was their last release
>>336663631
yeah heros/classes have abilities and cooldowns but so did tf2 with jarate cooldown and the ice pick. overwatch just turn the unique stuff and cooldowns up to 10
>I jave autism, the thread
Anyone that says TF2 is better than Overwatch is either or both
a) meme hater cause Blizzjews xd
b) 15 year old and discovered TF2
c) Didn't even play it but i liked TF2
>>336663631
Thanks you for the only reasonable post in this thread
>Asking valve drone central if something is better than TF2
Lmao
One is a game with a careful amount of its pull being weighted behind a well-designed artstyle, the other is a Blizzard game.
TF2 doesn't revolve around cooldowns, its map design is much better, the classes are faster by default.
Overwatch is more recent, some classes have good vertical mobility (but the poorly designed maps don't use it very much) and looks better.
TF2 wins imo. Spy is so much more fun and comfy than the retarded grim reaper that moves very awkwardly.
>>336665823
>Playing autoaim, the glacier moving simulator
Literally 3 fast character in the whole game and they suck shit as primary combat classes
>>336664895
this
>>336665115
Simple you can compare them at release time.
And vanilla Tf2 was god tier.
>>336663340
Let me get this shit straight, Overwatch and TF2 are both fun games but Overwatch being an upgrade/improvement to TF2? Now that's some bullshit soup served cold. Especially on the price. Overwatch does not deserve $40. Shit's reasonable around $20-30.
In TF2, all weapons has that "feeling" of actually using a weapon. Overwatch's weapon doesn't feel like your actually using a weapon. I can't pinpoint on what to be exact but Overwatch's weapons feels shallow overall.
In Overwatch, almost everyone and their mother has some sort of barrier and/or heal dedicated button. That shit's neat and all but there are some characters that can go better if they have something else instead of a barrier and/or heal.
TF2 has custom maps and servers. Overwatch does not.
TF2 can support more than 12 players per server/map. Overwatch does not. It's kind of a personal thing but for what it is, I enjoy FPS games more when it can support more than 12 players.
TF2 characters are, surprisingly, more memorable and quotable then majority, hell even all of the casts in Overwatch. I find a drunk one-eyed Scottish black man more memorable then some girl who was a pro player (like seriously what) and a dwarf that I had high hopes of being a badass.
TF2 has more reasonable things/consequences/etc then in Overwatch. For example, every single character in TF2 has limited ammo. Overwatch does not. The heavy requires to sacrifice his shotgun for an item to give him some HP boosts. Overwatch's characters doesn't have to sacrifice that much to get HP.
Once again, Overwatch is a fun game, but I just really find TF2 to be more enjoyable.
https://youtu.be/o6Gu0PSgq6s
Compared to
https://youtu.be/bzZ6GrRTgrM
>TF2
Developer has no interest in makign games and only update games at the last possible moment before even the fanboys have had enough
>Overwatch
Developer still makes games and updates them frequently
gee iunno.
>more than 40% of /v/ is neo/v/ redditor cancer
>>336667137
>TF2
Completely free with a fuck-ton of comtent
>Overwatch
Blatant TF2 copypaste that costs $60 and will probably jew you for more
The choice is easy. Only a retard would pay $60 for a literal copypaste job when you can get the original completely for free.
>>336667137
>Developer still makes games
*shit games
very important
>>336667229
You mean
>more than 40% of this is on Blizzard payroll
Only a retard would rate a copypaste job higher than its free original equivalent.
both shit
both babbys first shooter
both party-time games with no balance
but to be fair, all modern shooters are like this now. fuck videogames
>>336667437
>muh balance
Literally babby's first complaint upon realizing they're shit at the game.
>>336667253
>being so poor you actually enjoy playing with underage Russians
TF2 till sniper v spy >>>> TF2 till F2P > Overwatch >>> Modern TF2
I have over 6000 hours in TF2 and fuck that game. Its a shell of its former self. Overwatch is promising but it is nowhere near as charming and slick as TF2 was when it first came out. But who knows, it may get better with updates.
>>336667437
TF2 is not a modern shooter. It's 10 years old.
>>336667437
at some point you gotta let go, gramps.
>>336667737
>being a retard and wasting $60 on a copypaste clone when you can play the original for free
TF2 is better in almost every single way. The only thing Overwatch has over it is that there's more counters to bullshit tactics like Pharah players jumping on a building and spamming rockets. Otherwise, the gameplay doesn't have a lot of depth and every character is a blatant ripoff or a bland archetype that does nothing new, and every one of them is devoid of any personality.
>>336668007
you speak as if TF2 invented anything. It has an awesome style but the core mechanics of the classes are all archetypes and nothing new... save for the bullshit they added with updates such and melee demos and dead ringer spies.
Can someone tell me why I would waste $60 on a more brain-dead version of TF2 when I can play TF2 for free?
>>336668096
TF2 had better designed and more recognizable characters and archetypes, and it had a nice, cohesive artstyle (Until hats, of course). Everyone looked like they belonged to the same game. Everyone in Overwatch look like they were taken from different games and put in the same game.
>>336668163
There's no reason. I played it in beta and it's somewhat fun, but I wouldn't drop even 30 dollars on it. If it were on steam, I'd buy it on a sale for 15 dollarydoos.
Overwatch just needs:
>Faster movement for everyone (except Tracer)
>Dedicated servers (no idea if they've announced this)
>Mod support
And it would probably be a great game. It'd also be nice if Genji's melee actually did any worthwhile damage.
>>336668328
How many Blizzard shekels were just deposited into your paypal account?
>that poll
BLIZZSHIT SHILLS ON SUICIDE WATCH
>>336668709
None, I even voted for TF2 in the poll. It's still a good game though.
>>336663340
I like them both
>>336667073
You'd get reported in Blizzard's games if you were to write even 1/10th of the tf2 characters's taunting lines.
This is the plague of modern online gaming, they're full of thin skinned carebears who are so fucking retarded they can't even get some distance
>>336663340
tf2
>>336669545
Overwatch is a safe space for SJWs basically.
>>336669807
But itsfun!
>TF2 remake for the COD/HALO generation
>>336669807
This is not sjw related at all, stop shitting yourself with that boogeyman crap
>>336670119
Yes.
Those are not mutually exclusive things.
>>336663340
http://www.strawpoll.me/10141606/r
http://www.strawpoll.me/10141606/r
http://www.strawpoll.me/10141606/r
>>336669807
Kill yourself
>>336667137
Blizzard haven't made anything good for years. They've been milking their fanBase more than valve if anything.
>>336663340
When TF2 came out it was better. Current day TF2 is unplayable.
>>336663631
Overwatch is not a fucking moba you retard, if you want to see what fps moba looks like go play battleborn
Team Fortress 2 on the consoles is better than Overwatch on PC
>>336671821
>>336670165
>b-boogeyman
>k-kill yourself
why do sjw always reply with the exact same words whenever they feel cornered?
>>336672282
It's not
What the fuck is with all of these shitty ass games coming out trying to be the next TF2.
>>336673590
>stuttering
>muh sjw
Oh the irony.
I like both. TF2 is far better in every way though. Anyone who has played both for any significant amount of time will come to this conclusion.
There are SJWs on TF2?
Why would anyone vote Overwatch?
>>336665115
>they aren't really that comparable
>But if you were to compare
>hurr how is that a fair comparison durr
>>336663340
It's hard to say as one isn't even out of the gate yet and the other has been degrading over years, if you're saying compare both at the start, TF2 would win hands down in my opinion but compared to TF2 now, I'd give more favor to overwatch
>>336663631
>Overwatch is a moba
Fucking
Stop
I've barely played either (I only fucked around in trade servers in TF2) but Overwatch has been more enjoyable from the limited time I've spent with it.
I have to admit it feels simpler/easier and that's a contributor. OW might become more popular with the mass casual audience than TF2.
>>336663340
single player games
6v6 on small maps is just as fun as I anticipated.It isn't.
>>336676162
he didn't say overwatch is a moba
he said it's like a moba + [insert other qualities]
>>336675992
>TF2 would win hands down in my opinion
Can't understand why. It was and still is incredibly bland.
>>336672282
Current TF2's gameplay is fine in theory, but the playerbase and graphics have gone to complete shit.
>>336676414
In what way is it a moba? Is it the player abilities? Because that's not what defines a moba at all.
>>336663631
>>336664895
Objective truth
>>336676162
>moba ults
>moba ability
>only thing missing are creeps
>n-not a moba
a game with 8 characters has more lines of dialogue than a game with 21 characters, why is this allowed?
>>336676162
MOBA is a vague as fuck term, enjoy
>>336676515
>Because that's not what defines a moba at all.
MOBA means "Multiplayer online battle arena". That description could be applied for almost any multiplayer game of any genre.
People just use this word for games like Dota or LoL.
The amount of shilling Overwatch gets on here is making me mighty suspicious. Show yourself Blizzard.
2007 tf2>overwatch>2016 tf2
>>336677069
>wah hats ruin gameplay
>>336676742
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bzZ6GrRTgrM
What are you going to cry? YOU GOING TO CRY NOW?
>>336676626
>Has cooldown abilities
>Has nothing else which is a defining trait of all MOBAs
>"B-B-But it's just like a MOBA guys!"
The game is literally TF2 with more character and abilities.
What's this talk about modern tf2 being worse than old tf2?
- No unlockable weapons are overpowered. They added variety to the game and stock weapons are still great.
- Game was balanced and improved several times.
- Cosmetics are optional and don't influence gameplay. Don't be a retard.
>>336677351
It's pretty much entirely because the game is almost entirely populated by Russian children and retards who care more about cosmetics/trading/"im friendly"ing than playing the game
>>336677351
>no unlockable weapons are overpowered
Depends on the context. If we're talking competitive 6's or something, things like the GRU are banned since they give the Heavy as much mobility as most other classes, removing the whole "Heavy is slow" downside and slowing down the game dramatically as the team can just stall mid.
In pubs though, yeah it doesn't fucking matter.
>>336672345
What's the difference between Overwatch and Battleborn
>>336677351
People say that hats ruin the game even tho there's mod's that remove all cosmetics from the game. They also like to whine about dead ringer, direct hit, and demo knight. Typical shitter complaints really. Demo knight is easy as fuck to counter, DR is fine now, and direct hit mostly requires skill
>>336663340
I am pretty sure that Overwatch is this month's Brink. Enjoy your flavor of the month FPS.
TF2 has a bunch of classes with great synergy between them, you're playing as part of a team.
Overwatch is just a clusterfuck of special snowflakes and "LOOK HOW FLASHY MY ABILITY IS".
Both have absolutely horrid communities that ruin both games entirely. You'll be happier doing literally anything else.
>>336677102
Not him, but the lack of quality control for weapons is what ruined the game for me. Once Valve went full lazy and just started throwing in user-made weapons by the handful, the game went to trash.
Overwatch will never have god tier stuff like
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=36lSzUMBJnc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OR4N5OhcY9s
>>336677153
I think they went the wrong way about it when they added the domination lines. It made sense for the Scout to be a complete asshole but then they applied it to everybody else. It was kind of jarring when the Spy started shouting and insulting people as it seemed contrary to how the character was portrayed in stock voicefiles.
>>336677308
@336677859
I see you've given up because I blew your """"argument"""" the fuck out, thanks for the extra (You) though.
>>336676946
So TF2 is a moba?
>>336667052
Nice pasta.
>>336677746
>Meet the Spy and Meet the Medic were so good
>fun seeing class interaction, nine run-time and good display of character ability
>followed by Meme the Pyro
why did they drop the ball so hard?
>>336677779
The spy is an arrogant prick. How does it not make sense?
>>336677779
The whole point is that they're all assholes that are only doing it for the money/locked in a contract. They aren't all butt buddies like over watch, it's like a bunch of best friend making fun of each other really, kind of like here
TF2 is way better than Overwatch desu
>>336677929
>@
>HAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHSHHAHAHAHAHHSGAHAHAHAHHSHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAH
You're so fucking dumb I'm going to leak this picture of you for everyone to see
>>336678159
WHERE'D YOU FIND A PICTURE OF ME DELETE THIS RIGHT NOW
>TF2 thread
>lol dead game
>it was better before hats
>unbalanced as fuck
>Overwatch thread
>lol I'll stick to TF2 thanks
>dead on arrival
Another (You) for my collection. Keep 'em coming.
>>336677308
>The game is literally TF2 with more character and abilities.
this game takes TF2 characters and cuts them into smaller, shittier characters, while slapping a big "i win" button onto some of them.
TF2 characters design beats overwatch to pulp, both aestheticaly and from gameplay standpoint.
>>336678159
delete this
>>336678159
don't fucking dox you faggot
TF2 vanilla > TF2 with new weapons > Overwatch > Hat Fortress 2 > F2P Fortress 2
>>336678246
Whose ultimate is a i win button
>>336678159
dude what the fuck, i never even posted to you why are you posting a pic of me omg why
>noobs were getting rekt by better players 100% of times in arena shooters
>noobs could get an occasional kill or two against better players in counter-strike games
>noobs now can reliably kill better players in overwatch every time their ultimate is charged.
What's the difference between Overwatch and Battleborn? How is Battleborn a moba and Overwatch an FPS?
>>336678624
Creeps, towers, in-match leveling
>>336678042
The Spy was depicted as being a bit more suave in his original (limited) charactersation, since the Spy update he comes across as more boorish in his delivery. What I'm saying is, a lot of people didn't expect his domination lines to be so tactless.
>>336678624
Overwatch has higher marketing budget thats why it's shilled here non stop.
>>336678547
>reliably
Ultimates really aren't that powerful outside of their premise, the exception being Widowmaker's which is just fucking retarded.
>yell out IT'S HIIIIIGH NOON
>take 2 seconds to lock on to someone while walking really slow and glowing red
>countered by any sort of shield or line of sight, at worst a genji deflects the shot back onto you
>I'VE GOT YOU IN MY SIGHTS
>can still be stunned
>tanks can still face off with him if they're quick
>alternatively just LoS him
>DIE DIE DIE
>if you let him get into a position to use this effectively without noticing, you probably would have been killed by him anyway
The game is unbalanced, but not because you were too fucking stupid to walk behind a wall when you heard an obvious audio cue.
>>336678624
Overwatch doesn't have towers creeps, gold based upgrades rpg elements, the only thing it has in common with mobas is abilitities on cool down and ultimates, but that shit's been in fighting games before mobas became a thing
>>336678927
so this game is like cod then, chokepoint shootan with "take cover" mechanic being constantly forced upon you?
>>336679000
>the only thing it has in common with mobas is abilitities on cool down and ultimates
Doesn't Destiny have these? They're cancer to the pvp.
>>336679051
Essentially.What's wrong with CoD?
>>336663340
I think they're both fun. Some of you guys are just sad, cynical husks who have such a skewed idea of fun you wouldn't even recognize it if it came up and fucked your mouth.
Anyway, to each their own. I'm going to enjoy Overwatch for the rest of the open beta so I don't have to drop $40 on it. In that regard, that's pretty much Overwatch's only real flaw: exploring everything the game has to show you doesn't take particularly long.
>>336679051
>"take cover" mechanic
What are you smoking?
Overwatch is launching with more maps and characters than TF2 originally had.
Overwatch has beautiful females which is refeshing. TF2 was a sausage fest.
All new maps, modes, and future heros will be free in Overwatch. TF2 never added more characters.
Cosmetic items will be DLC but can still be attained through rng loot boxes after you level up.
Overwatch basically has everything you want.
TF2, Overwatch has is really easy to get into with it's abundance of automatic weapons and generous hitboxes. It'll be a nice distraction but it seems like one of those games that gets less fun the better you get at it.
TF2 is a moba at its core + [insert other qualities]
>>336679139
Cmon man, you nd i both know that overwatch and destiny aer two fundamentally different games
>>336663340
I haven't played Overwatch.
Tf2 shorts and such was funny.
Was okay when I tried playing it.
I fap to Widowmaker a lot though.
>>336679234
Except it has shit gameplay just like tf2
Both games are rubbish
>>336679234
Except good gameplay, good balance and good matchmaking.
But yeah, the porn is good.
http://www.strawpoll.me/10142431
http://www.strawpoll.me/10142431
http://www.strawpoll.me/10142431
Real poll coming through, no meme options
People unironically voted for Overwatch.
It's pure fucking no skill garbage.
TF2 has lasted for almost 10 years with free content. I hope Overwatch does the same. I don't want Overwatch 2 in 2018.
>>336663340
The way I see it, it's a big TF2 update that removes items and moves some weapons to Q, E, Left shift as abilities.
TF2 pre-items was golden.
>>336679537
more skill than tf2
>>336679234
Overwatch has slow droning casual shit gameplay
>>336679234
>Cosmetic items will be DLC but can still be attained through rng loot boxes after you level up.
DLC? For real? That's pretty lame
>>336679280
I was just highlighting that core mechanic is in Destiny too, where they're called Supers. They're shit.
I think even the latest CoD has them.
>>336677746
>meet the medic
>good
>>336679234
>/v/ tells me there are no shills here
>>336679615
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAAHHAAHHAAHHAHAHAAHHAAHAHHHAAHAHAHHAAHAHAHHAAHAHHAAHHAHHAAHHA
>>336679615
It really isn't, the hitboxes and slow movement make it real fucking easy
>>336679234
>Overwatch is launching with more maps and characters than TF2 originally had.
Quality > Quantity. A class in TF2 has more charm than half of the classes in overwatch
>Overwatch has beautiful females which is refeshing. TF2 was a sausage fest.
I don't play games with my dick. TF2 characters felt like a brotherhood while Blizzard is trying to get horny teenaged males
>All new maps, modes, and future heros will be free in Overwatch. TF2 never added more characters.
Maps and modes were free in tf2 even if you brought it for $20 at release. TF2 doesn't need new characters, they give tools to the current ones.
>Cosmetic items will be DLC but can still be attained through rng loot boxes after you level up.
I wonder where they got that idea from
>Overwatch basically has everything you want.
Yep, handholding gameplay, instant kill buttons, and taking away my satisfaction
>>336679234
it also has really low skill floor and ceiling, zero space to improve, giving me absolutely no incentive to play it for more than a couple of days of this open beta.
>>336679653
>being naive enough to think there aren't paid shills all over social media/the internet
I gotta say, the amount of naivete I've seen coming from 4chan makes me question the average age that comes here.
>>336679651
Meet the Medic is great you peasant.
i dropped the game on the intro with gorilla scientist, did i miss much?
>>336679965
Not particularly. Unless they start releasing new shit monthly the game has no future beyond six months.
>>336665732
>>336665770
what the fuck are you talking about?
wow has fucktons playermade UI addons
starcraft 1/2 and wc3 has thousands of playermade maps with own modable abilities/models etc.
diablo 2 has modded games like median or something
>>336677746
>"kill me"
>"later"
>>336663340
/v/ has a massive hate boner for blizzard so of course they'd say tf2 is better
Overwatch is fun, tf2 isn't
>hurrr original tf2 is much better
who gives a shit, you're not getting that back
>>336680050
these are all old games, except for sc2 but it only has custom maps because people were outrageous when the game released without them as it was like one of the main selling points of SC. You arent getting shit anymore.
>>336679751
This nigga gets it. TF2 feels like a cohesive world. Overwatch is a fucking mess of ideas for characters that might look cool and flashy, despite the fact that they look like they belong to different universes or periods of time.
Also, every class in TF2 feels like it has a very specific function in the group, and the entire character design revolves around it. In Overwatch, there are so many characters that do exactly the same with different animations that only makes it harder to balance.
>>336679234
>lots of characters is inherently good
Are you memeing me right now?
>>336680247
the game launched with custom map support, they showed it off before the game was even out
Post links to sfm overwatch porn
>>336680210
>he doesn't know about vanilla servers
>he doesn't know they're extraordinarily popular
>>336680523
not an argument, I don't play unofficial crap hosted by pedro from peru
>>336678030
Done by adult swim during the adult swim cross promo thing
tbqh they could have used the characters for HotS and there would be no difference
>>336680576
>I hate fun.
I'm sorry to hear that, anon. Maybe one day when you manage to overcome your crippling cynicism, you'll be able to have some fun.
tf2 is incredibly repetitive and overwatch isn't, that's the only reason the autists on /v/ like tf2 so much.
>>336681131
>overwatch is not repetitive
>>336676917
It looks like a SJW version of Vi from LoL
>>336664857
Agreed
How does premades work in this game? Do you get matched up with other premades or?
Overwatch but both are not very good.
>>336665732
The map editor for SC2 was pretty good. Not a love of people use it these days though with the community shrinking down some much since everyone left for other games
It does seem like the amount the community contributes to blizz games has dropped like a rock though since they got bought out by Activision. Maybe this will be a good chance to try and re-invigorate that aspect? It certianly seems like this game is breathing fresh life into a company that became way to stagnant for it's own good.
I like overwatch more because I have the hots for D.va and I wanna pound her mound
>>336668328
>(except Tracer)
I played overwatch for the first time today and why the fuck isn't tracer faster? Why the fuck isn't everyone faster?
To be honest i'm kind of sick of the MOBA formula that has been going on for a while
After LoL and Dota2 it all starts to blend together for me, they almost feel like the same game with different camera angles and some little mechanics taken off or some put in
"PICK BETWEEN 250 CHAMPIONS/HEROES/WHATEVER (Probably 225 of those 250 are stereotypes) AND USE YOUR ABILITIES (Usually 4 with one of them being your ultimate and that one champion that breaks this rule by having more than 4) TO WIN THE MATCH!"
Let's be honest, OW exists to this day because the MOBA market is still hot i guess and they pretty much ruined TF2
How do you manage to create so many characters completely devoid of personality?
Blizzard really dropped the ball here
>>336679234
TF2 has a more even pace to it. Overwatch has much fewer weapons per characters but gives them abilities with cooldowns instead.
Only thing tf2 had like this at all was the Uber charge. It seems like Overwatch is trying to force a lot of this "super feel good moments" onto every character at the cost of more frequent and active gameplay. We'll see if it takes, but I'm guessing after a few months people will get tired of games boiling down to which teams can coordinate ults better.
It does seem that blizz is more interested in doing match making and ranked play than tf2 out of the bat though which is a plus
>kill someone
X ELIMINATED!
>barely damage someone while someone else finishes him off
X ELIMINATED!
Is this to make people with low k/d feel better about themselves?
>>336663340
TF2 is more balanced.
>>336682469
Didn't the lack of a scoreboard tip you off?
>>336682469
Considering the scoreboard doesn't even show off anyone's k/d, absolutely.
>>336663340
I really enjoyed TF2 when it came out but the more and more different weapons and hats killed it for me.
>>336682194
I don't know people keep comparing OW to MOBAs. The only thing they have in common are ults. The rest is standard, class based objective fps.
>>336682543
k/d fags are awful but the game hiding statistics and especially hiding damage numbers is the worst
>>336682469
They drew in a lot of MOBA elements, so it doesn't surprise me that the would think that "killstealing" would be a toxic element the game would want to avoid, never mind the fact that it has no bearing on any kind of score in the game
>>336682696
It sure looks like it took some things from MOBAs
Wasn't the game advertised as "Blizzard's new MOBA" when OW was announced?
>>336682768
I just want to see statistics. I like to see how many dudes I killed, how many assists I got, how many times I died, how much damage I deal per shot to figure out if this weapon is worth using at long range but I don't get that. K/D and ASSFAGGOTS fans are the worst but that shouldn't make it impossible to see my stats
>>336663615
>I hate that everyone plays assfaggots - /v/
>Wow people are playing somethign else and I hate it - /v/
I don't get it.
>>336669545
Nobody minds hearing characters trashtalk you. The lines in TF2 are great.
Players trashtalking is different.
>>336666517
>Literally 3 fast character in the whole game and they suck shit as primary combat classes
What? So you haven't played the game huh?
>>336679234
its a good thing overwatch is competing with vanilla tf2 the-
fuck wait no it's not so that argument is totally irrelevant you cunt
>>336682702
The game wants to hide people that performed poorly to protect their feelings, rather than showing them where they could use improvement and advance as a player.
I can understand both arguments for this, but I still think it's a little ridiculous
>>336682903
Agreed, it's piss they didn't include it.
Probably not going to change though given how blizzard seems to be interested in dumbing down every kind of stat or score display these days.
>>336678448
Mei's is if you don't move
Bastion's is if you can't move.
Dva's is if you can't move
Junkrat's is dangerous but can be avoided by jumping on something.
Most are easily avoidable because of the sound cues for the ultimate, ie if you hear "A IT'S HIGH NOON!" just take cover.
Basically that guy is retarded.
>>336682997
>Nobody minds hearing characters trashtalk you
You may not, but it definitely triggers people. Some people can't deal with an achievement popping up in a single player game after dying to a boss called "Consult an FAQ already" because they missed an obvious as fuck item, I can't imagine how fucking booty blasted they would get if they died in a multiplayer game and the character talked shit.
>>336682696
its mostly aesthetically similar to a MOBA. There is lore between the characters that nobody cares about, each character is designed to be as lolrandum and youneek as possible and there are ultimate abilities that can flip a fight.
>>336682702
>play support
>get a poor k/d
>somehow that means I'm a terrible player and other players will mock you for it
The numbers shown in OW are relevant. Fuck k/d faggots, hate those fuckers. If they can't see the numbers they don't go as apeshit as much.
>>336683295
But that's the characterr talking, not another human being. The lines in TF2 are great because they fit the class and personality.
Unlike UT which had oneliners like 'You suck!' or some equally boring shit like that.
>>336683251
Not that guy, but I'd argue McCree's flashbang is a pretty nasty "I win" button, if not just for single engagements
>Defending point
>Turn a corner
>Oh shit its silly cowboy
>silly cowboy throws flashbang on reaction and unloads pistol
>out-fucking-skilled
>tfw Unreal Tournament 2004 had the best trash talk
>>336683251
>Junkrat's is dangerous but can be avoided by jumping on something.
It can climb walls, in case you didn't know.
>>336683587
>implying ut2004 taunts have anything against TF2 taunts
No.
>teleporter is an ultimate
>not even the engineer's ultimate
>>336683251
>They are I win buttons if your facing retards
So?
>>336680576
>I only play valve servers.
I see why you don't like the game.
>>336683570
His flashbang isn't the problem, it's entirely his fan the hammer that's fucked.
It has stupid good accuracy for something that can deal about 400 damage in a second, there's almost no point in left clicking when someone's close if you can just mulch them with right click.
With Mei you have to freeze someone, line up the headshot, then icicle. There's an element of aim involved even in shooting someone that's stunned. With Mcree you're not flashbanging and lining up a headshot, you just right click and win. It's definitely the most unbalanced thing in the game at the moment, the only thing that will replace it at this rate is when good Widows learn to aim and turn it into "Highlander: Pocket the Sniper" mode.
So its been years since I've played an fps like this, and decided to try out the beta. After a dozen matches of people never choosing tanks or support, no one pushing objectives or defending anything, I'm wondering if its the game thats shit or just the jackoffs playing it because its a free beta.
>>336676946
So Call of Duty is a Moba?
This logic is retarded. Overwatch is a Team Based multiplayer shooter that happens to have abilities on cooldowns. That's it.
>>336663340
I don't really think you can even compare the two. Ones an expensive mlp furry hat simulator and the other is a arena shooter
>>336684228
I see people going for objectives and using tank classes. Few pick Support, but aside from that I'd say it's been a very solid experience.
Fuck Widowmaker faggots though.
The thing that seperates Overwatch from TF2 is alot of things that makes it better
>It's more fast than any modern shooter
>No regeneration health
>No forced memes (unlike TF2)
>More character development and lore for each character
>Actually requires a brain and skill to play instead of just shooting and hope you hit the enemy
>It's fun
>/v/ hates it
This hive mind has to stop
>>336678159
DELET THIS
>>336684208
Yeah you're right, if he had to actually aim for a headshot in the short amount of time that you're stunned it would certainly be a lot fairer than just dumping all of his bullets on you for free.
I've felt the same way about Widow too, I think she's really fucking strong, but I'm just bad at sniping so I'm not doing as much as I could with her.
How the fuck does McCree fan a double-action revolver in the first place
>>336684920
>>336684654
You guys are a bit early for your shift
>>336683570
>out-fucking-skilled
Why is the concept of a class based shooter so hard to understand? I'm not saying that the game has good balance but 1 on 1 encounters were never supposed to be balanced in the first place.
Yes McCree/Tracer/Edgelord can easily fuck you up in a tight closed space. Fuck, the guy is a cowboy, his whole fucking theme is duels. You know why? Because picking out faggots one by one is their primary fucking purpose. It is supposed to take you way more skill to fuck him up in his own field.
How is it a bad thing in a context of the game? How does striping them off of their "stupid" abilities constitute for a better game design when it merely makes them useless garbage.
Jesus fuck, hell.
Played both, prefer TF2
OW feels like a bad version of TF2
> Team Fortress 2 vs Overwatch
my fucking sides
now tell me you are not a shill
please
I need more laughter
>>336685195
Personally I get mad as fuck when you see "Play of the Game" and expect something cool like someone using rockets to juggle someone.
But no, it's a Bastion camping in a corner. Or a Soldier activating his ult and literally autoaiming everyone to death.
>>336684920
>It's more fast than any modern shooter
>Actually requires a brain and skill to play instead of just shooting and hope you hit the enemy
>No forced memes
>More character development and lore for each character
these are all wrong
>It's fun
for the first couple of games, yes
>/v/ hates it
im not /v/ but i don't hate it, i despise it for being a low skill cap "look ma, a tripple" casual corridor shootan shitfest with shitty movement ( no friction, no acceleration, no air movement it reminds me of skyrim on PC ), you can just FEEL how this game was done by someone with zero fps experience, and to be honest, it completely shits on all important fps genre aspects that make them fun and rewarding to play, while instead pandering to scrubs who never played an fps before with its shitty huge hitboxes, retarded skills and ultimates and atrocious maps. Blizzdrones will love this, no doubt, but everyone who likes FPS genre and has some respect for themself should stay away from this turd
>20 tick rate
>upgrade to anything
lmaoing at your life
I don't give a shit how casual this game is, it made me quit CS:GO and I actually am starting to have fun when I play video games again
>>336664895
May it rest in peace.
What's worst about this is that you can't just make a private server or something like that. There's no way to reunify the community.
>>336685650
This I agree so much, please eat my vagina out!
>>336685924
>csgo
you were casual all along.
>>336663631
Kinda this.
>>336663340
TF2 wins against Overwatch, since there is no problem with "abilities"
In TF2 you don't have retarded ultimate abilities that just win the game when you press q. TF2 has characters with roles that do specific things. Overwatch does not have this. Overwatch is more comparable to an ASSFAGGOTS game in that it is completely retarded and that you just wait for ulti to win.
This is a joke right? or some kind of bait?
im not sure i could even call you a blizzard shill
what the fuck is this
>>336686086
give me an example of a non-casual PC shooter that isn't some outdated or remodeled aim jock arena shooter snoozefest
The one that doesn't have a retarded meta centered around a retarded jewish economy yet.
>>336685195
It's a bad thing because it feels fucking lame to engage him, get stunned and have him shit out damage faster than anyone else without even so much as trying.
At least Tracer and Edgelord have to worry even just a little bit about shooting a moving target, and their opponent fighting back.
Would forcing him to actually aim for headshots at close range for extreme burst damage really make him useless garbage?
>>336684920
>>Actually requires a brain and skill to play instead of just shooting and hope you hit the enemy
i cant believe what i'm fucking reading right now
>>336686596
there is none. The last game i played that wasnt a quake-like, unreal tournament or tf2 that involved skill and interesting gameplay was picrelated.
Valvefags and Blizzfags are equally as retardedbut Blizzard still objectively makes more and better games than Valve has in over a decade.and Overwatch is better.
>>336684920
everything you indicate in your post is factually wrong, but its probably bait
>>336687016
>last 4 games blizzard made: sc2, diablo 3, hots, overwatch
>all shit
>valve knows if they would make new games they'd be just as shit
>they decide to not make games anymore
you either die a hero or live long enough to become a piece of shit trash dev like blizzard
>>336684920
are you high?
>>336686398
> TF2 you don't have retarded ultimate abilities that just win the game when you press q
ye they do, they are called ubers and they are exceedingly important to the TF2 meta from the lowest to the highest skill level
>>336687016
>Overwatch is betterOverwatch is shit and will always be shit
Current state of the TF2 community:
>Idlers
>Childeren
>3rd Worlders
>Genuinely autistic people
>Jewers
Hardly anyone even plays the game as a serious competitive game anymore.
It is literally just "talk with your e-friends while you dick around and conga" now.
TF2's community is beyond dead to me.
With Overwatch coming out, I finally have something to fill that void.
>>336687315
But if the medic dies his bar resets.
>>336687315
On one class, and they're not nearly as powerful as anything in Overwatch
>>336663340
in overwatch "kills" are actually assists.
take that as you will
>>336683587
Man these wojak variations are redundant and shit,
>>336686778
>Would forcing him to actually aim for headshots at close range for extreme burst damage really make him useless garbage?
no, but it would likely make him a tad underpowered and it would completely strip him of one of his bests uses, a close quarters tank shredder.
>>336687315
>ubers win the game
no they don't theres plenty of opportunities to use knockback to keep them away.
>>336687245
>>336687315
Uber isn't an ulti though, it's the alt-fire of a medic's medigun. Literally something only a medic can do that takes fucklong to charge.
>this is b8
Oh yeah thats right.
The characters in Overwatch seem all over the place to the point that it's bland in its own way. TF2's more cohesive universe is better (too bad they ruined it with hats and cuhhhraaaazeee background)
game is easy as f, it´s fun though
>>336687417
After playing for a few hours now I've heard 5 words out of someone over the mic, most people only type GG at the end of a stomp round if tf2s community is dead than Overwatches community is a still birth.
Basically its the WoW LFG community
>>336687472
>>336687467
Medic i generally considered to be the most powerful class in TF2 by most higher end players, and ubers are a massive part of that. The details of how they function might be slightly different, but none the less its a very powerful ability that you have to actively charge over time and has a massive impact on the game.
Of course OW goes to the next level by giving everyone an ult, but the flow of gameplay in TF2 was already decided by ubers more often than not (if you arent playing with shit players at least) so bitching about them in OW seems a bit off. I get why you dont like the concept of ults in a shooter, but in reality you have been playing with them for years in TF2
TF2 2008 > Overwatch > TF2 now
It's not that hard.
