Which game is better to start off with? I've only played Fallout 2.
Then go back and play fallout one you slut.
1 > 2 > NV >>> 4 > 3
3 obviously
if you begin with nv it's impossible to go back to 3
assuming you want to play both, 3 can easily be skipped
Ignore Fallout 3 completely.
>>336585472
why?
>>336585181
Play in release order.
New Vegas is a good Fallout game despite having to conform to the Bethesda formula
Fallout 3 is a joke if you care about Fallout lore or good gameplay at all
3 is a safe skip, if you insist playing both, play 3 first. You will appreciate New Vegas that much more.
>>336585567
Because "fallout 3 sucks" meme.
Play em all in release order, 3 is the weakest entry in the series (I haven't played 4 yet) but /v/ seems to think that the weakest game in the series automatically makes it shit and not worth playing. fallout 3 is still fun imo.
>>336585181
READ
>>336585567
WHAT
DO
THEY
FUCKING
EAT?
>>336586047
nice meme but that's the least of the problems the game has
>>336585818
>haven't played 4
Playing 4 made me miss 3.
>>336586171
Well yeah, obviously. But it's still a big flaw none the less.
>>336585181
Seeing as New Vegas is basically a direct sequel to Fallout 2 I'd say play that and forget about 3 entirely.
>>336586404
4's story is arguably better than 3's but the gameplay is miles ahead. You're just a contrarian faggot.
>>336585374
Totally agree
Fallout 4 is the only one worth playing
>>336585374
This. I played NV first and cannot bring myself to finish Fallout 3.
>>336585181
Depends.
Did you care about the story? Did you like the roleplaying? Are you curious to continue the story of the NCR? Do you care about the rules and fine details the world established?
If you answered "yes" to all these, then you can safely skip 3 and go to NV, but it's recommended you check out Fallout 1 first.
Was the best part of Fallout 2 the wacky references? Do you think the concept of Nuka Cola existing is both hilarious and worth delving into? Are you more about shooting/killing than roleplaying? Do you like the quirky, unique iconography of Fallout more than the story?
If "yes," to all of these, start with Fallout 3.
Yes to everything? Who gives a shit. Start playing.
>>336585567
Stop using a trip faggot
>>336585567
save your money
>>336586171
agreed
>>336586912
except the story in both are complete garbage, only 3 has less "radiant" filler quests taking up a large portion of the exact same content. Even if said content is mediocre, like Skyrim and it's Draugr tomb ridden landscapes
>>336585374
Perfect answer. I cannot play more than an hour or two of 3 after I played NV. 3 without knowing what NV is like is an alright experience though.
>>336585181
can get boring landscape but choices actually matter
3 is fine and has a few cool moments, but the fact that nearly all the enemies are damage sponge supermutants and you have to crawl through boring subway tunnels for half the game makes it pretty drab. Also your choices barely affect the story, unlike every other game in the series including 4 which although not close to NV, does have significantly different endings for the 4 factions.
>>336585181
Do you want a true spiritual sequel to those games, a comfy wandering simulator, or both?
If the answer is 2 or 3, listen to this anon:
>>336585374
If you just want more pure fallout, don't bother with 3, go straight for NV.
>>336589290
>>336585181
>skipping best Fallout
kill yourself senpai
>>336585181
New Vegas is some good shit, but if you play it first, 3 is unplayable.
the dlc isnt too bad, but bring your own music for Mothership Zeta dlc
i personally blasted this shit as i blew away the ayy lmaos
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uQBx4PFfzxk
Should I buy NV on PC lads?
I enjoyed it onXbox
>>336589730
thats fucking cool as fuck, man
i'd ask you for mod but i cant stand the clipping when moving
>>336590359
just torrent it
>>336590359
Obviously, 3 and especially New Vegas are terrible on consoles. I don't know how you endured that shit. Anyways, you're talking about like it's some big investment. The ultimate edition goes regularly on sale for like 4 dollars.
>>336590359
oh fuck yes man
i came fromxboxto it on pc as well, and it's just so much better
everything from aiming to the dlc andconsole commandsare just so damn fun
>>336590497
Fucking kill yourself
>>336590359
Nah, after you put some mods on it you'll realize its boring as fuck and buggy Torrent it.
>>336590680
What?
>>336590497
are you a fucking commie red or something, anon?
>>336590497
I'm paranoid about torrenting.
I never illegally acquire post 2006 games because I get para that the police will bust down my door in the middle of the night
>>336590868
that's american freedom for ya
>>336590868me too anon, and im an ausfalian
>>336590841
You're seriously suggesting torrenting a game that will offer potentially hundreds of hours of entertainment which you can get for around 5 bucks nowadays, how much of a nigger can you be?
>>336591068
that's bullshit.
why should i pay for something i can have for free?
>>336591053
Don't worry. We are too fat to sail or fly to Australia.
>>336591207
I know right. That's why I usually just stuff things to my backpack when at the store and casually walk out. They will never find out anyway so why pay?
>>336590359
For me, it had rendering issues. I capped the framerate to 40 fps on highest settings so it looks like what NV would look like if it was "Fallout New Vegas: Remastered Edition"
But yes. Get it.
>>336591068
>willingly giving money to bethesda, who fucked over obsidian at every turn
ayy
>>336591210
im more worried about ebin trojans an shiet.
thats what i get for being a console nigger for so many years
>>336585181
New Vegas is the only good Fallout game, but holy fuck is it good.
So, if you want to play both, play 3 first.
>>336591465
The Fallout 4 one is missing a dialogue option
>Where's Shaun?
>>336591416
Obsidian gets most of it.
>>336591416
>Obsidian dindu nuffin!
If it was one game I might be inclined to agree, but when almost ALL of their games are broken, buggy and unfinished messes on release, I start to wonder if it's not just the publishers who are screwing Obsidian over. Hell, it even extends to Troika, more former black isle employees who released one of the most broken and clearly unfinished games ever made in VtM: Bloodlines. At some point you have to admit for all their strengths in writing and gameplay, they're garbage at following a professional timeline or actually making their games playable.
I'm really getting tired of these threads.
Comparing FO3 to NV is a case of apples and oranges- Both games strive for two completely different things and are enjoyable in their own way.
>>336591945
You are aware that NV was rushed out the door and wasn't given enough development time right
You are aware that Bethesda didn't give the team any bonuses because NVs metacritic score was one point too low right
>>336585818
>just waste 100 odd hours because "lol ignore memes bro" when even I agree you could just play the better games and not miss anything
>>336585181
You install both then install Tales of Two Wastelands.
>>336589373
>that pic
It's funny. The exact opposite is the case if you look at the side quests of each game.
>>336592105
>le sitting on the fence meme
>>336585181
Play 3 first because it's not as good as NV.
>>336586047
Other animals.
This is explained and shown in game.
>>336591945
You're absolutely correct. Obsidian and Bethesda were aware of these weaknesses, which is why Bethesda was in charge of quality control for New Vegas. In this case, Bethesda either dropped the ball, or NV was so fucked that we're lucky to have gotten the initial release mess that we did.
Either scenario is believable.
>>336591945
Dude they got like 18 months to make the game, they had to choose if they want to fight the shitty gamebryo engine for most of the dev time or if they want to create actual content.
>>336592105
FO3 and NV are literally the same game, mechanically they are identical. The only difference is the competence of the developer when it comes to story telling and believable environments.
You're a fag son.
>>336590359
>not playing computer games on a computer
ISHYGDDT
These "play 3 first because it's worse" posts are fucking dumb. If it's unplayable after experiencing New Vegas, then maybe OP should skip the game that apparently turns to shit because its successor did everything better.
>>336592705
or maybe they are assuming op wants to play both
>>336592289
What?
NV has more freedom in the side quests, not to mention fallout 3 has like a dozen of side quests while NV has 50+
>not playing every game series in release order
top pleb
>>336592105
>a case of apples and oranges
You're joking, right? They're games directly related to each, in the same franchise and developed by two different teams. One continues the legacy of a classic game series and the other is reappropriating it for a new generation, for better or worse. There is more reason to compare NV and F3 than pretty much any other two games, which is why these threads are created twice a day and regularly reach 300+ replies.
>>336591875
no they dont,they dont get anything. bethesda even shafted them over a bonus they get get if the game has an 85 on metacritic, the game got an 84
>>336592793
Maybe people shouldn't assume OP is a retard who wants to waste his time. If he cared about playing them all, he'd have played 1 already.
>>336592705
I think you're getting the wrong message. FO3's flaws aren't as noticeable until NV highlights them. It's better to play an OK game followed by a great game, than a great game followed by a bad game, even if it's only bad in comparison.
>>336593301
I see your point. However, I imagine most of the people offering advice here played them around release and so didn't really have a choice in experiencing FO3 first. Now that it's agreed NV is objectively better in every way and both are readily available to play at any time, I don't think OP should bother wasting his time. After all, it's not as though it's a short game and from what I can recall, there's little to no story or faction elements from FO3 that are referenced in NV.
>>336593789
It depends, the settings are different enough to warrant playing both. DC is a lot bigger than Vegas (the Strip was very disappointing imo) and I'd say the Pitt and Point Lookout are definitely worth playing. If you don't like the desert setting of NV then OP might enjoy FO3.
>>336593789
>"wasting your time"
>3 is still fun even though there's a better Fallout out, but won't be as enjoyable if you've already played the better one
>"just skip it"
Sorry but I think you have autism. Why would anyone ever play any other games in a series if there's 1 game that's the best in the series, since all the others will be worse, "just skip them" because it's a "waste of time". Makes absolutely 0 sense.
>>336592650
This isn't true.
Mechanically, they're similar, but the difference lies in design philosophy.
Fallout 3's priority was to be a sandbox game first and an RPG second. This is why exploring the wasteland and dungeon crawling feels 10x better than exploring the settlements. Bethesda's priority was designing a world that would keep the player on their toes at all times, which they achieved through the lack of static enemy territories and the abundance of random encounters. Bethesda wanted to craft a playground for the player to have fun with, everything else was secondary. This is why dialogue options and skill checks in 3 often did nothing more than give the player access to gear or a schematic, it's another tool for them to play around with.
NV meanwhile was about crafting a world first and designing a game second. This is why towns feel fleshed out, but dungeons and wasteland exploration are lack-luster. It's very difficult to play NV like a sandbox game because numerous paths are blocked off from the start and consequences for your actions have permanency on far more occasions than they did in 3.
This is why the whole argument comes don't to a matter of preference. People who prefer to have fun dicking around and don't like rail-roading are going to prefer 3, whereas people who like their games to have strong storytelling and enjoy traditional RPGs are going to prefer NV.
Tl;dr
Fallout 3 is a sandbox game, NV is an RPG.
>>336592216
>>336585181
start with 3. then nv, then 4. for 3 and nv, make sure to get all the expansions.
>>336592216
For normal people, you don't need to play 100 odd hours to realize that you don't like the game.
>>336592216
>waste 100 hours
>waste
>you're playing it for 100 hours and the fun you had driving you forward to keep playing is simply a meme
Pure autism.
>>336585374
Agree for the most part but personally I play 3 all the time and NV is easily the better.
>>336585357
Shit opinion. Aside from lore, everything about 1 and 2 is inferior to the rest.
>>336594841
Fuuuuucking hell he even included sources nice.
>>336594841
>I'm looking for my father. Middle-aged guy. Maybe you've seen him?
Oh the horrors.
>>336585181
neither
play 4, its superior in every aspect
>>336592361
oh (you) :3
>>336595104
Even the RPG elements?
>>336594263
>Implying I think 3 is fun at all
I don't. Ultimately, I think OP should skip it because it's shit, not just because NV is better. You're also assuming I'm applying the same logic to all games when I recommend skipping it because it's worse, but we're only talking about Fallout 3 and New Vegas here. Stay on point.
New Vegas has little to no story, character or location ties to Fallout 3, so OP won't miss any interesting insights into things experienced in the latter. They also share enough of the same systems mechanically that NV generally being designed better as an RPG makes it more worthwhile to play.
>B-b-but subjectivity, maybe OP will prefer the atmosphere of Fallout 3
Fine, OP can play Fallout 3 to their hearts content, I'm not stopping them. I'm just it's a shit game and they have more to gain from playing New Vegas, especially considering they've played Fallout 2.
>>336595903
Not him, but if we're talking about 3 and NV rather than 4, then yes.
One problem with the older games was that they had too many skills. This abundance of skills lead to poor balancing since many of these skills were either situation or completely worthless. By fusing some of these useless skills together (First Aid+Doctor= Medicine for example) 3 and NV both managed to ensure that every skill was useful.
>>336595001
People don't have fun on 4chan and yet come back for years on end.
I hope FO2 gets a remake someday.
>>336585357
1=NV>2=3>4
>>336597025
i just hope Bethesda relinquishes the Fallout franchise after they are done with 4. They know they ruined it and literally any other developer could have done a better job.
Imagine if CDProjekt Red or Eidos Montreal had their hands on it.
>>336585916
>presenting the Capital Wasteland as a lawless, disorganized warzone, two centuries after the war, when on the other coast the NCR is flourishing
I agree with this image in general, but to an outsider who hasn't played the games, that isn't going to sound like a convincing argument.
>>336594841
>Fallout 4 is the first game in gaming history to have 100% sandbox weapon modding
>crafting in Fallout 4 is detailed
This shit makes me mad. Crafting in Fallout 4 is an awful, uninspired gimmick that is supposed to act like a distraction to the very poor weapon variety in the game.
Let's take a look at what you can do to guns in Fallout 4:
Receivers: Those either gives you passive bonuses to damage or change rate of fire. No cosmetic changes whatsoever. They also maybe change your weapon firing mode (full auto/semi auto mostly) and change the caliber of the weapon.
Barrels give bonuses to accuracy and range. Also may improve hip fire accuracy.
Grips/Stocks:Those give passive accuracy bonuses.
Magazines give bonuses to magazine capacity and reload speed.
Sights give bonuses to accuracy and may add night sights/scopes.
Muzzles improve hip fire accuracy at the cost of the range. Also silencers.
If we take all the passive bonuses away, that leaves us with the ability to:
1.Change the firing mode
2.Change the caliber of the weapon
3.Add scopes/sights
4.Add silencer
>But Anon, those are actually pretty cool things!
Yes they are, I'm not denying that.
The problem however, is that as I already said it all serves to make up for the severe lack of weapon variety in the game.
1. You *need* to be able to mod the firing modes of these weapons, because none of the weapons have unique firing modes on their own.
Let's take shotguns for example. In Fallout 4, we get a semi auto shotgun and a double barrel shogun.
In NV, we had a single shot shotgun, a double barrel shotgun, a lever action, pump action and semi auto.
2. You*need* to be able to change the caliber of the weapon, because there are no unique weapon that shoot each of these calibers.
Lets take sniper rifles for example.
>>336597025
You might be interested in Molten Clouds project. It's aint much, but at least it's not dead yet.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tnn9eWP_-ak
>>336597306
Agreed, F:NV is one of the best FO games, and Obsidian said they'd be happy to make another one if they were allowed.
FO4 was by far the worst fallout i've played.
>>336589290
I don't mind the landscape tbhh
roughly on par with fo3 in terms of drabness, and better at everything else
>>336597526
Looks pretty cool, thanks anon!
>>336597448
cont.
In Fallout 4, we have pipe rifle and hunting rifle. Those 2 are pretty much functionally indistinguishable and can be chambered .38, .308 and .50. There is no visual or animation difference between them whatsoever, it only changes the ammo type and damage values.
In Fallout NV, we had a bolt action varmint rifle chambered in .22, bolt action hunting rifle chambered in .308, semi automatic sniper rifle chambered in .308 and anti-materiel rifle chambered in .50. All of those had their own unqiue models, animations, mods and quirks.
3.Scopes and sights are not really even worth disscussing since it's the same thing as in NV.
4.Same with silencers.
To sum it up, the modding system in Fallout 4 is nothing more than a poor attempt at making the player feel like there is a good weapon variety, which is simply not the case.
Besides, the whole system could be recreated in NV. Make a lot of receiver/barrel/grip/etc. mods in GECK, add their blueprints in crafting workbench, done.
>>336597306
Fallout 4 broke the record for launch sales. Bethesda isn't going to give up that cash cow because crotchety classic Fallout fans are bitching about Jet being a pre-war drug.
>>336592105
There are not many things at all that FO3 does better than NV.
Fewer, shallower quests.
Worse dialogue (debatable based on preference, but as an example I'll use telling Eden to kill himself and him blithely complying).
Worse plot consistency.
Fewer weapons.
Gameplay is identical, except NV has inarguably better gameplay and companion management.
Feel free to rebut this.
FO3 is an orange with slices missing. F:NV is a whole orange.
>>336598297
>gameplay
*gunplay
There is no reason to play FO3 with FO4 out in the market now, FO4 is just a better FO3. Both are a pile of shit, is just that FO4 has a nicer shape
If you are looking for a true RPG where your character build matters, then play NV
If you are looking for just turning off your brain, shoot around and break the game within your first 10 levels easily, play FO4
>>336598773
i still don't even understand how Fallout 4 wasn't a sequel to Fallout 3. Was it because they knew they had fucked up so bad and had to start over?
>>336587690
underrATED POST
>>336598297
I think the Three Dog one is the best example
Great discussion, everyone. I think we can all agree we have made some serious headway in the great Fallout 3 vs Fallout: New Vegas debate. Kudos all around.
Same time tomorrow. It'll be casual Friday and there's enough money in the "Fun Fund Jar" to get donuts and coffee for everyone!
>>336598924
It was because the story is so fucking horrible they probably realised they better rewrite everything, that's why FO4 feels so far away from a FO setting that almost feels like a Spinoff
Besides, you die in the end of FO3, so a sequel can't be exactly placed
The only Fallout I've played is NV; and I didn't feel like I was out of the loop or missing a piece of the overarching storyline.
>>336585181
Play the games in order. New Vegas is the best presentation of a Fallout game in 3D.
Start with 3 and power through it. Do the main sidequests (there aren't many and they're short), play with a fun gimmick build and generally just plow through the story until the end. Will only take a couple afternoons. Don't feel the need to explore the whole map, it's mostly copy-pasted buildings with randomized loot/enemies. The sole exception are a few neat side-locations, like a Lovecraftian mystery building in the far southwest, and maybe a couple other interesting side-spots /v/ can remember.
Will give you a good feel of the gameplay and controls
Then do NV, and this time, take it slow, explore nooks and crannies, and enjoy the comfy
Don't listen to the turbo-haters who say skip 3. Just don't spend too much time on it.
FO3 and 4 are the best examples i can think of when i'm trying to come up with games that pander to casuals
They rely so much on the "WOW!" and "Lel so random" factors that they spit in the entire setting and lore behind Fallout just to cheap out in the writing and RPG elements
It's so easy to break FO4, you just need Ninja, a Silenced weapon you can get in Diamond City and that's it, you can officially one shoot everyone
It should be called the SPIAL system, because the Endurance and Charisma perks do absolutely nothing compared to the others
It's just a badly designed game made to be fun for 2 hours (For the reviews obviously) and then that's it. If you are able to take a step back and think objectively about those two games you are going to feel like it's a really dumb game
If you care for story then the correct order is
FO1 > FO2 > FONV
Don't even touch FO3 or 4 because they just shit in the lore and it makes no sense
>>336599782
>Don't skip 3 but play what could be 3 hours of content then uninstall it
You might aswell skip it then
>>336599794
Exactly. They feel like they're fanfiction.
>remember fallout? let's make our own!
>let's see... it's gotta have MUTANTS! YEAH!
>Brotherhood of steel was sooo kewl! They'll be there too!
>And the exclave! they were so badass they'll be there and be fighting the brotherhood of steel!!
>NUKA COLA NEEDS ITS OWN QUEST BECAUSE ITS SO QUIRKY AND LOLZ
>dogmeat is such a silly name for a dog! let's have him in every game from now on! what's that? he died at "mariposie?" lol whatever
>nukes are so awesome. lets have a giant robot that throws nukes at everything and a nuke rifle
>>336600248
Yeah, it's more like 5-8 or so if you do the few major sidequests too. Mostly because you have to walk from place to place.
OP should rent Fallout 3, not buy it. Rent it and do a quick playthrough with a funny gimmick character. At least so you can see what the controversy is about.
>>336600681
>rent
>playing bethesda games on console ever
>>336599092
Lone Wanderer is probably in space or the ruler of the Pitt.
>>336599794
Charisma was even worse in New Vegas. Yeah, Speech was useful, but it had less Charisma perks than 3. There was very littler reason to treat CHA as anything more than a dump stat aside from Animal Friend, which was worthless unless you hated Nightstalkers. (not even Yaoi Gui worked with it)
>>336601086
>Yaoi Gui
kek
>>336598048
Go to bed Todd
>>336598297
>shallower quests
Are you shitting me?
The side quests in 3 are far longer and more complex than 90% of the side quests in New Vegas.
It's true that there aren't a lot of side quests in 3, but the ones that are there all have unique scenarios and multiple branching paths- no two quests are the same.
Meanwhile, the vast majority of the side quests in NV are extremely short (as short as some unmarked quests in 3), barely replayable since branches are few and don't happen until the end of the quest and their objectives can basically be summarised as "go here and pass a skill check".
>>336595104
I will come to your house, beat you in front of your mother, then tell her she should've had an abortion!
>>336602006
>The side quests in 3 are far longer and more complex than 90% of the side quests in New Vegas.
Not really.
>It's true that there aren't a lot of side quests in 3, but the ones that are there all have unique scenarios and multiple branching paths- no two quests are the same.
Not really.
>Meanwhile, the vast majority of the side quests in NV are extremely short (as short as some unmarked quests in 3), barely replayable since branches are few and don't happen until the end of the quest and their objectives can basically be summarised as "go here and pass a skill check".
...not really.
Godddamn Anon, you are so wrong it's not even funny. You sure you played those games?
