>Go forth, Garl Vinland.
>May you be unharmed.ITT: boss fights that make you legitimately upset
It's not THAT hard.
>>336537272
Garl is a beast, but that's besides the point.
The boss fight is just a guy trying to defend his waifu.
>>336537223
Favorite boss of the entire souls series. Also get the best armor of the entire souls series from him.
>>336537223
>A bitch who is willingly committing evil atrocities contributing to the end of the world
>A cuck who defends her despite knowing she's in the wrong
It's a good study on the white knight syndrome, at least.
>Dearest Astraea, I have failed you.
My fucking heart, man.
>>336537668
>posting in the thread while knowing so little about the lore
>>336537668
> Implying she did anything evil
You didn't read her lore right?
>>336537912
she got a demon soul. Game tells me to kill her
she can get FUCKED
people always talk about Souls music but this boss fight is legit the only boss fight music i can remember in the entire series
so good
>>336538041
>he doesn't know
Anon, I wish I knew as little of the lore as you do. Maybe that way it wouldn't hurt so much.
I haven't played this game but the music during this fight is fucking balla
>>336537223
Sif
Also Priscilla to a lesser extent
>the sheer disgust in her voice as she says "Very well, take your precious demon's soul"
>>336537342
A demonic cult leader deserves death, nothing more.
For victory, any sacrifice.
I gave him a warriors death. No blood babies, no magic, no stealth, just shield and axe.
>>336538545
>cult leader
Alright, now I know you're shitting.
>>336537542
>Also get the best armor of the entire souls series from him.
You don't get Yurt's armor from Garl Vinland
>>336538041
When the game forces you to do something with no options available, there is definitely less of an impact.
>>336538182
She forced the dead back to life so they may suffer in squalor and filth. She's actively building her own congregation to satisfy her insecurities that she harbors in Boletaria. She's basically mother Theresa, a decrepit narrsisit who fosters a cult of the impoverished, that she never tells to better themselves, only to be content with their lot in life.
She's a fucking piece of shit, no martyr complex changes that.
>>336538787
He's not entirely wrong, Astraea saved them or whatever, so they revered her and gave her souls.
>All these retards who think Astraea is innocent.
Read the lore you fucking naive twits.
Doesn't make me upset, but it was touching when these lazy pieces of shit work together.
>Oh, dear Brother… I’m on my way. My brother, unyielding sword of Lothric's Prince.Rise, if you would... For that is our curse.
>>336538818
I'd be pretty pissed if I did, the dark silver armor set is so much cooler.
>>336538383
She's the one feeding souls to the Old One and allowing demons to wipe out the world but no, I'm the bad guy for killing her precious white knight. Fuck her.
>>336537223
If memory serves me right, the hardest part about that fight was getting there.
It was like 5 minutes away from closest bonfire?
>tfw getting there the first time
>oh she looks like a friendly npc
>NO GARL DONT DUNK ME HERE WITH ALL MY SOULS
>the way Garl Vinland just gives up if you kill Astraea first
Lawful good doesn't mean lawful nice. Purge them all.
>>336539490
Upsetting, not infuriating, guy. The twin fags from DaS3 are infuriating, the fight with Maiden Astraea and Garl Vinland is upsetting.
Besides, the run back if Garl Vinland does murder your asshole isn't that bad at all.
Abysswatchers makes me the saddest, honestly.
>All of them are still dilligently struggling against an encroaching, impossible to erase darkness
>It's killing all of them off one at a time
>They are fighting each other to prevent this madness from overtaking each other
>That sad music that's playing in the fight
>All the while, here you come, asshole lord of cinder, to make this problem even worse
>>336537223
>You abandoned us long ago; what right do you have?
>>336539753
>arrow through the eye hole
No, sir. I do not like it.
>>336539343
>that passive aggressive shit he says when you die
i executed that little bitch
>>336539868
Saw a touching message the other day. Whoever wrote it wore full legion garb and saluted with the Farron Greatsword, as if the Legionaires themselves are trying to speak out to Firelink.
>I have failed...But you must not!
It was placed on the ridge in front of the Abysswatchers' throne, reminded me of this:
>All of you, forgive me. For I have availed you nothing.
>Maiden Astraea is a human that turned into a demon
>Maiden in Black is a demon that turned into a human
>Take your precious Demon's soul
>>336540982
A demon is anyone or anything that covets souls. The player character is a demon too.
Am I the only one who doesn't get exactly what she was doing? I didn't understand the situation. I swear this game has no lore.
>>336541368
She makes everyone feel comfy and loved.
>>336541368
I think she was easing the pain of the people in the valley.
>>336541439
Then she feed giant wood worm, and do more harm than good
>>336541368
She brainwashing poor people to love her, and use them to collect souls for the old one. Basically an egomaniac with a victim complex.
>>336537223
>A bloo bloo bloo
>Astraea did nothing wrong
The fight starts next to a pile of knights who followed her, and she sacrificed them to get the power of a Demon's Soul. She's pretty much Griffith, but not as pretty.
FUCK THE NAMELESS BITCHASS KING FUCK EM STUPID FUCKING CHEAP ASSHOLE I FUCKING HATE HIM
>>336541579
I'm pretty sure those are other Slayers of Demons that Garl Vinland had to fuck up to protect his waifu.
>>336538545
You completely missed the mark, never comment on a game ever again, you'll just embarrass yourself
>>336541368
She was having all the inhabitants of the area collect souls for her to offer to the Old One so she can ease their suffering or some shit.
Basically, she's failed to resist the temptation of the Old One, became a demon and began fucking up the world and all her self righteousness doesn't change that fact.
>>336541624
Why do so many people bitch about him? Champion Gundyr was much harder than he was. Hell, Pontiff was harder.
>>336541579
Garl Vinland was her only Knight m9
>>336541579
Those are people who tried to kill her.
The whole point is Astraea refused the Demon Soul for so long, but eventually used it to try and save the valley.
>I will lul the old one back to slumber
Is the Old one a baby? What did she mean by this?
>>336541713
Read the fucking item description you mongrel fucker. She's a vile piece of shit who sacrificed people who put their trust in her so she could gain immense power and enslave the population to fuel her delusions of being a savior.
Sorry your such a fucking mark for the "Wah Wah, I'm innocent" bullshit.
>>336539009
TIL that Mother Teresa was a piece of shit. good job anon. Tell us your fascinating opinion on Ghandi next.
>>336541890
She meant she'd lull him back to slumber, you stupid memeing fuck.
>>336541890
Opposed to what the game makes you think the Old One isn't really malevolent ans is both origin of Miracles and Demons
>>336541917
what?
How could you misunderstand something so badly
like
it's incredible
do you know why they call her a Saint?
She was trying to help the people of the Valley and ease their suffering.
She wanted to help all the unwanted children.
You're a monster for killing her.
This is one of my favorite vidya moments. That music starting up, and the dialogue that follows. It doesn't matter if she's really evil or not, the atmosphere and emotion is amazing.
Look carefully at the photos she burns before you fight her.She has a husband and kid and was buddies with Margaret.
Also dat music
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sk77S5KvCx8
>>336542031
Garl vinland said ''You abandoned us'' I wasn't gonna take that, I beat his ass and smacked his bitch around.
>>336541930
Oh man, you have no idea.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=65JxnUW7Wk4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V4nCaxHN-cY
>>336541917
The miracle that's just the expression of her soul is a heal.
She's pure of will.
>>336542031
And you're an idiot for believing that.
What did you see in that valley? Prosperity? Joy? Comfort? No, you didn't
She kept them from dying so they remained perpetually suffering and used their vulnerability to fashion herself into an artificial saint.
>>336541930
are you fucking kidding me? He's 99% of the reason poo in loos don't poo in loos
>>336541930
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-india-34265882
Some Indian writer also claims he would use his position to fuck underage girls too.
>>336541930
H'es right, she was though. Just because someone gets called a Saint doesn't mean they're a good person.
>>336541930
Mother Thersa never helped and one. If anything she encouraged people to stay poor, as that is the position in life that God ordained for them.
>>336541917
[citation needed]
>>336537223
I harmed the FUCK out of Garl.
fuck theresa and fuck relgion
>>336542246
No, she eased their suffering, hence why you see even the soulless praising her.
>>336542221
A heal to keep them from finding peace in death.
A mere adrenaline shot to keep them from passing out from the pain.
>>336542418
calm down vaati
>>336542003
The Old One is a demon that exists to consume every soul it can. It IS malevolent, that's why it's awakening means the end of the world.
It's not just the source of miracles, it's the source of all soul arts and both magic and miracles are soul arts. It's just that some people didn't know miracles are soul arts too.
>>336542249
You forgot your picture, Carl.
>>336542468
Vaati is a Astraea fanboy buddy.
>>336538383
It's incredibly forced. My mother can talk in that tone, too. So can I.
>>336539490
Wut? It was 30 seconds from the Dirty Colossus bonfire, and that was one of the easiest bosses in the game.
>>336542031
>help all the unwanted children
BY BRINGING THEM BACK AS FUCKING UNDEAD MUTATED FETUS MONSTERS?
ARE YOU FUCKING JOKING?
>>336542574
Because he knows that she did nothing wrong
>>336542479
You should look up the definition of malevolent. The old one is as malevolent as a hurricane, shit the Old One is also responsible for the miracles that ease the suffering of humans and wards them from evil.
>>336542574
calm down nega-vaati
>>336542249
are you KIDDING me right now?
Like are you ACTUALLY KIDDING ME NOW?
Its the current year!
Are you kidding me, you're a WHITE MALE
>>336542246
[Citation needed]
The game outright tells you that she felt sorry for the people in the Valley.
>>336542579
She didn't make them that way famalam.
>>336542686
The game also outright tells you that she has the most impure soul.
>>336542818
Likely because she turned her back on her religion and did her own thing or whatever the fuck. The Umbasa fags are just that, fags.
>>336537223
I always save them for last, its more thematically appropriate and dear lord is the atmosphere and music perfect for this fight.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9piElENpvmM I always get chills
![knights-demons_00416633[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/yklT08Q.jpg "knights-demons_00416633[1].jpg")
Maiden in Black wants her dead, she's dead
>>336542818
Because she sucked up so much defilment from the residents in the Valley.
>>336542686
By your logic, Fagin is the good guy in Oliver Twist because he helps poor kids. Nevermind the fact that he uses them to collect resources for himself, he's a humanitarian!
>>336542618
In what fucking world is a sentient being consuming the souls of other sentient being until there is nothing left not malevolent? The Old One is not an act of nature, it's a very old demon that has grown so powerful from eating the soul of everything it can it can no longer be killed.
>the Old One is also responsible for the miracles that ease the suffering of humans and wards them from evil
No. The old one is responsible for soul arts, i.e. using souls to do magic. That magic can be used for good, i.e. "miracles", or it can be used for bad, i.e. setting shit on fire, but either way it involves using souls. Soul art is inherently bad, miracle or not, and that is why the monumentals banned it. When they brought the soul arts back, i.e. when they brought the "miracles" back, it awakened the old one and brought about the end of the world.
>>336542818
Due to taking in THEIR impurities you little shit
>Spell from the Demon Maiden Astraea's Soul
>Generates a cloud of plague.
>It is natural that those who take in all that is impure are themselves the most impure of all.
>>336543016
please illustrate this
>>336543016
And helped perpetuate it.
>>336539343
Best fight in DS3, shame there are so few that are actually good in that game.
>>336542991
>not false king
>>336542818
>literally called pureblood soul
>gives you a spell that banishes blue phantoms and gives them their body back and a spell that heals them
>the sword that it makes is endowed with the essense of human nobility
>>336542996
>Maiden in Black
It's more of the Monumental's will than her's.
>>336541579
>She's pretty much Griffith, but not as pretty.
got a chuckle out of me
>posf yfw you kill Astraea before she even gets a word out.
>>336543016
A lot of good that did.
>Fight through a terrible poison swamp fighting all manner of filthy beasts
>Approach a road leading down a hill and this big silver bastard with a piece of cathedral architecture tries to smash me
>Kill him in self-defence
>Cautiously approach a character sat on a rock
>I can talk to her so she must be friendly
>"Fine take your precious Demon Soul"
>She commits sudoku
>Left standing confused in a river of blood surround by the demons of aborted foetuses
Why should I feel sorry for her again?
>>336543037
She didn't create the baby abominations or the disease in the valley, she's just trying to make their lives less painful. That's why they worship her.
>>336543192
DELETE THIS
REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
>>336543192
At least she managed to make things better than they were before either you or her got there.
>>336543251
The babies weren't suffering back when they were dead.
>>336543057
>Old One
>Sentient
Choose one
>Talisman of Beasts
>An old wooden amulet resembling the Old One.
>It can utilize both miracles and spells.
>The symbol of God was nothing more than the Image of the Old One.
>>336543239
>skipping cutscenes
>paying literally no attention to the lore
>>336539868
>We were denied a challenging battle with the coolest looking and fighting Lords of cinder because it is so early in the game
I'm still mad, I wanted a ball-bustingly hard fight, not an NPC co-op fight into Maria 0.8
>>336543267
No, she made them worse. The filthy woman tells you this.
And don't tell me she's lying because the other religious person in the game says she is. He's a fool and acknowledges as much at the end of the game.
Did you help The Fair Lady
>>336543192
Now imaging how the Valley would have looked like if she did NOT do what she did.
>>336543445
of course. And then when I was ready to NG+, I cut her down in cold blood for her delicious Firekeeper Soul
>>336543419
The filthy woman is known to be horribly jealous of her, you dumb fuck.
>all the men wanted to fuck me before that slut came along
You shouldn't believe a fucking thing she says.
>>336543448
Everyone would be dead and nine of them would living in an eternal state of servitude and torment.
>>336543448
Yeah, before, the residents wouldn't have all tried to murder anyone who walked in so they could offer souls to Astraea
>>336543057
Is fire malevolent ? Is plague malevolent ? The old one is a god. He just is. Thats what makes him so terrifying. Hes just a force of nature you cant reason with, hes like a black hole consuming everything on its path
>>336543501
You MOTHERFUCKER I should cut your tounge out
>>336543445
A lot of good that did
>>336543364
Why are you so sure the old one is not sentient? Is it because it just sounds like better lore to you? Tickles your personal fancy?
It's a demon, the game tells you this. It sleeps, it eats, it talks to people, it tempts them into becoming it's servants for it's own personal gain, it's fucking sentient.
And the fact that they mistook the old one for god is a major plot point in the game. They were wrong and so are you, moron.
>>336543419
>This was a much better place before she came. I was the apple of every mans eye.
>For the love of God… I've had enough humiliation for one lifetime.
>>336543592
They attack you and other Slayers of Demons because you're after her Demon soul, you fuck.
>>336543592
>>336543727
No most of them do it to eat your soul, not offer it.
They all want souls for themselves like everything in the game.
>>336538127
I kind of agree with you, although Tower Knights theme is also super memorable.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QFjotdhdBLM
The music in this series is great, and I think BB has the best tracks (Ludwig is fucking amazing) but since its an entire live orchestra its harder to just hum in your head, while DeS had less complex music that is easier to get stuck in your head.
>>336543727
They attack everyone who enters for their souls to give them to her. The game flat out says this.
>>336543678
Oh no are you that faggot who always argue that the old one is not god ?
>>336543678
>it talks to people
Nigga, what are you talking about?
>>336543727
>Overtaken by poison and plague, the dwellers attack anyone who wanders into the valley hoping to offer souls to the woman who showed compassion.
>Caring about NPCs
I don't care. I like to play as a mindless warrior that acts out primitive barbarism to finish the job if it's been ordered.
I didn't even care about the talk prompt. Also Garl is easy as shit with the Moonlight Greatsword or his sister's blade Blind.
How can pixels make anyone feel?
>>336543650
Oh no
>>336543650
Don't matter had elevator.
>>336543369
>weeb butthurt that people don't like their malicious and narcissistic waifu.
Would it make you feel better if you knew that I killed before she opened her lying mouth?
>>336543887
>How can pixels make anyone feel?
Are you a sociopath?
>>336543838
Get some read comp nigga, that's not at all what he's saying.
>>336543859
Who the fuck is gonna go into the valley without malicious intent towards Astraea?
>>336543994
Selene for example.
>>336543959
Situations that are directly connected to me make me feel emotions as most normal humans.
And the feelfags are a minor vocal part of the community. Most people probably didnt give a fuck about Garl and Astrae. The game tells you to go fuck them up and you do.
>>336543994
The player fuckwit. If Garl didn't attack you, she wouldn't have died.
>>336543906
>malicious and narcissistic
>paying literally no attention to the lore
>>336543887
How can letters on paper make anyone feel ?
How can a movie make anyone feel ?
How can actors on a scene can make anyone feel ?
How is it to be blocked from every puece of art ever produced by humanity ?
>>336543838
There is nothing to indicate the old one is "god" in Demon's Souls. Especially when you consider all it wants to do is consume souls. How does it make any sense that the god of creation does nothing but consume it's creation?
For fucks sake, the game is not even remotely ambiguous with this. The old one is a demon, not god.
You people and your fucking head canon crap...
>>336544125
"god" as in what people worship, not necesarily the creator deity.
>>336544103
She did need to die, sad as it is, to lull the old one back to it's slumber.
>Implying there is flat out any objective good/evil in Demon's or Dark Souls
This game goes out of the way to make everything ambiguous except for the fact that everything is going to shit, just like you can't tell which serpent is actually fucking you over in Dark Souls. There's no objective good or bad, only objective shit.
>>336543963
Did I ask you something ? And I smelled the familiar scent of his shitpost so I wondered. He outrights said that people were wrong in assuming the old one is god and hes wrong
>>336544087
Normal humans are capable of something called Empathy and Sympathy, or the ability to feel bad for other people. It's like when you see a guy get kicked in the nuts and unconsciously wince at the sight. If humans weren't capable of empathy or sympathy than society would never have started in the first place.
So yes, you are a sociopath.
>>336544031
I actually never spoke to her. Was she looking for Garl Vinland or something?
>>336544103
You were after her Demon soul, you stupid fuck. That is malicious intent.
>>336544257
Yes, she was looking for her brother Garl.
I think she wanted to tell him of the dying wish of their father or something?
>>336544125
>venerated in a cult with millions of followers
>not a god
Also gods and demons are not mutually exclusive. You know evil gods or fallen gods exist too
>>336544215
Society would likely be in the stars by now if people weren't halted by emotions and being lurred to help someone in need that could help themselves instead.
>>336544368
Damn I dont regret not being 12 years old anymore
>>336544368
You a ruled by emotions whether you like it or not. You are not an objective being, you're a fucking ape.
>>336544368
People working together was the only reason we stood a chance against all the predators and environmental conditions in prehistory. If people were only to think of themselves back then, then we wouldn't be here. Not to mention every fucking thing else that could only be accomplished by people working together.
You must be either a retard, or 14 years old.
>>336544182
>"god" as in what people worship, not necesarily the creator deity.
Well, people did worship the old one but that's only because they mistook it for god and they mistook it for god because of soul arts.
They saw good magic as "miracles" that could only come from god but the reality is it's all the same soul arts and soul arts is the domain of demons.
>>336544368
To an extent. A small extent. But not emotions like fucking empathy.
>>336544368
Just watch, next will be the classic
>I was only pretending to be retarded!
>>336544125
Item description on Talisman of Beasts, as well as dialogue with Sage Freke.
>derr fucking headcanon
8/10 for getting a response from me. Go slam your head in a door.
>>336544547
That characters like Maiden Astraea, Maiden in Black and Slayer of Demons exist disprove you wrong though that all demons are evil.
>>336544368
Are thirteen year olds allowed to post on /v/ now? When did this happen?
>>336544516
What stops people from just knowing what should benefit them according to the situation? What have emotions gotten humanity other than war and fear of the unknown?
Society is built like it wants to operate like an ant colony. But it's broken because of the inherent selfishness of everyone.
>>336544339
It's not god in the sense that it created the world and humanity, as the intro states
>On the first day, man was given a soul and with it clarity.
>On the second day, upon earth was placed an irrevocable poison, a soul-devouring demon.
People mistake it to be god due to the fact it is the source of both miracles and the soul arts. Really, I think it'd be more apt to say that the religion of Umbasa is just unwitting worship of the Old One while opposing it at the same time.
>Buddy defends Marty
>she's crying
>you have to hit her
>>336544635
Everyone you listed except Astraea is correct. To be a demon is simply to covet souls, not to be malicious by nature,
>>336544547
I knew it was you you fucking faggot. Every time the same bullshit. Take your stupid duality christian goggles down, step back and take a good long look to see the nuancy instead of being a dogmatic stupid moron.
>>336544649
Every act is a selfish act my friend.
>>336544537
Then what is money? Literally an invention to help humans forget petty things and understand yourself and the goal are the most important thing in the world. I didn't give my mother a dime when she asked for help to pay off a surgery.
How come she's considered selfless and I'm selfish? I worked hard for my position. She did nothing.
>>336544649
>What have emotions gotten humanity besides war
Just look around your fucking room you mongoloid. Look at the computer you are using at this very second to be a complete fucking idiot.
>>336544339
>>venerated in a cult with millions of followers
What an stupid set of standards you have set for defining what is a god. Is L. Ron Hubbard a god in your universe too?
>Also gods and demons are not mutually exclusive. You know evil gods or fallen gods exist too
This is your head canon and unrelated material, it has no bearing on Demons Souls.
The game is pretty explicit about what the definition of a demon is in it's universe, you fuck around with souls and you are a demon. No talk of fallen gods or anything of the sort. Frankly, there are no gods in Demons Souls.
>>336544710
That doesnt mean there is a "real" god though
>>336544604
>>336544720
But she's not evil at all. She wanted the souls in order to ease the pain of the residents of the valley.
>>336544635
>Maiden Astrea
She took in the Demon's Soul inside her to alleviate the pain and suffering of all those disgusting sick people in the valley. She didn't expect it to make everything worse. She also became disillusioned with the religion as well.
>Maiden in Black
She is bound to the Nexus. She is a powerful demon with control over souls and her purpose is to lull the Old One back to sleep. No more, no less.
>Slayer of Demons
Player character who was lured to the land of Boletaria much like all the other fucks who wandered in, but only just so happened to be the one to not suck ass and die horribly or succumb to the corruption of souls.
>>336544815
Computers were mass produced to help people or to make money?
>>336544829
>ron hubard
Who is jesus faggot ? Hubard could have been a god given different times. Also see every ancient kingdoms where emperors were also seen as gods
>>336544875
>make everything worse
Oh, this meme again.
>>336541930
>TIL
>>>/reddit/
>>336544843
Oh definitely. If whatever the passage from the intro is from is true, then whatever gave Man souls created the Old One to keep Man in check by devouring said souls whenever someone gets the bright idea and discovers how to manipulate souls.
>>336543037
Trickle down bitch. Better to steal than starve. Better to sell your body than be homeless. Your pimp keeps you employed and off the streets.
>>336544885
Every act is selfish, but there is such a thing as a selfish act with good intent. It is literally impossible to be completely selfless. Whether or not computers were mass produced to make money is irrelevant, because computers do good and save people every single day of the year.
>>336544861
She takes souls of dead warriors how is she good? She isn't completely evil but she isn't good either knowing taking souls in the first place will make them want to give her more.
>>336544829
>What an stupid set of standards you have set for defining what is a god
>Who is Guan Yu
Dude was so hyped up the people started to revere him as a God of War
>>336544787
Money is a object to is used as an intermediary between goods and services.
Say you want to sell eight carrots. The closet value in the village is one live chicken for 16 carrots. You can't buy half a chicken, so you use an intrinsically worthless but hard to obtain material to represent the value between the chicken and the carrot.
>>336544787
Wow. I almost lost my leg to that edge.
>>336544762
Your the one trying to force your own bullshit ideas on the game, I'm going from what is actually in the game.
You've got a hardon for all this stupid "Gods are not sentient beings, they are forces of nature. There is no good and evil, there only is." crap that you have completely pulled out of your ass.
All the cinders in 3 were pretty sad desu
>Abysswatchers link the fire and it burns their means of fighting the abyss and now dickwraiths freely wander right at their doorstep
>Yhorm linked the fire and it killed his people
>Gwyndolin's hard life ends with him being slowly eaten alive
>twin princes realise fire is shit and just stick with each other until you kill them
They did literally nothing wrong letting the useless fire fade
>>336539868
>feeling bad for killing Artorias fanboys
>>336544961
>>336545084
Doesn't matter how many worshipers someone accumulates for whatever reason, it's not going to magically transform them into being an actual real life god.
How fucking retarded do you have to be argue such a stupid notion?
>>336537223
Only the most legitimate retards believed her to be anything more than a demon wearing human skin. Beat her down with arrows and watched her guard dog cry like a bitch.
>>336544649
Not you though, you're the perfect being, beyond such petty quabbles like contempt, greed, joy, compassion, hope, courage, sacrifice. You're a real stoic, ain't ya?
>>336545285
The very definition of god is flexible as fuck
>has super magic powers
>worshipped
The old one's a god already
>>336545063
They came at her intending to kill her and take her Demon soul. More often than not, this is the case.
>>336545285
>arguing lack of empirical evidence with another lack of empirical evidence
>>336545370
Maybe if she wasn't having her followers kill people in droves over a paranoid delusion, then perhaps she wouldn't be seen as a threat.
>>336545362
Except the game very explicitly says the old one is a demon, not a god. That people mistakenly worshiped it as a god, and it's also very explicit that this worship was misplaced and incorrect, is the reason why the world is ending.
I don't care whatever personal definition you have for god, in Demons Souls the old one is not a god.
Maiden Astraea's music is fucking garbage, I don't understand how anybody can like that 2-second looping piece of shit
>>336545469
It doesn't matter whether she was considered a threat or not. The Monumental wills it, and Astraea is sure as shit not goving up her Demon soul. It's what she uses to ease the pain of the residents.
>>336545389
>magic exists unless you can prove it can't
Holy shit, you're a moron.
Post cute DeS Art
>>336545546
>Talisman of beasts
>it's the same god worshipped by the umbasa church
But it already is you stupid fuck
You realise lots of demons in real life mythology were gods of competing religions, right?
>>336545641
You are a bigger moron for not understanding that to be labeled a god you don't need to be an abrahamic one you retarded faggot. According to your stupid ass Olympian Gods wouldn't be gods either.
>>336545591
All she does is keep them from dying, which is the opposite of mercy in a place like the valley. She'd never let them die though, because it's about fufiling her desire to be important rather than to actually help anyone.
>>336545649
>>336545835
>soul description
>she became a demon to ease the pain of the valley inhabitants
Where the fuck are you getting this? Your fanfiction?
And before you pin the blame on her, reminder that undead fucks are in loads of the other areas too
>>336545745
I don't know how many times I have to say this.
The game very explicitly says that the worshiping of the old one as a god is incorrect. For fuck's sake, it happens right at the start of the game when you talk to the monumental. Even if you didn't beat Demon's Souls surely you got that far?
>You realise lots of demons in real life mythology were gods of competing religions, right?
Why do you people keep bringing this up? It's irrelevant, we are talking about Demons Souls and in Demons Souls there no mention of wars between gods and competing religions or anything of the sort.
There is a soul devouring demon on earth and it's bringing about destruction. This demon previously slumbered but was awakened by the use of soul arts, i.e. using souls to perform magic. Miracles, i.e. "good" magic, is soul arts same as the rest of it and any talk of otherwise by the religious nuts in the game is complete bullshit. That's the plot. That's all it is.
>>336545937
The soul discriptions are based on how the individual viewed themselves, not how they actually were.
Are you new to this series?
>>336546150
So what are you saying? That since the old one is not a god, the umbasa church never worshipped a god and no god exists?
>>336545937
Eased their pain how?
>>336546151
This has never been the case in any of the games ever.
>>336546151
>source: your ass
>>336545148
>Gwyndolin's hard life ends with him being slowly eaten alive
Gwyndolin didn't link the fire, Aldrich did.
>>336546151
Oh dear God, your literal fanfiction is killing me.
>>336546209
Fuck if I know, demon magic that she would have otherwise been unable to do. The point is, that's what her purpose was for being there.
>>336541579
Wrong, the church sent knights to kill her, they failed
>>336546295
>>336546261
>>336546212
If this were not the case, Smoug's and Gwyn's soul's would make no sense considering that they're objectively fucking wrong.
>believing the Monumental's lies
Allant dindu nuffin
>>336546419
>what are retcons
Souls has always been inconsistent as fuck
>>336546203
I'm saying gods never comes up in the game.
The only mention of god is the church mistaking the old one for god and the monumental says that the old one is not god, it's just a soul sucking demon. There's a lot in the game to back up the monumental's claim.
>>336545312
Damn you're stupid, please for the love of god never assume otherwise ever again you edgelord teenager, you'll save yourself from looking like a complete retard in the future.
>>336542110
This became a DeS thread but don't worry anon, I liked NMH a lot too.
I'll need to replay them one of these days.
>>336546419
Soul of Smough
>Soul of Smough the Executioner, who guards the cathedral in the forsaken city of Anor Londo.
Special beings have special souls.
Use the soul of this eerily gleeful executioner to acquire a huge amount of souls, or to create a unique weapon.
Soul of Gwyn
>Soul of Gwyn, the Lord of Sunlight
and Cinder, who linked the First Flame.
Lord Gwyn bequeathed most of his power to the
Gods, and burned as cinder for the First
Flame, but even so, Lord Gwyn's soul
is a powerful thing indeed.
You must be fucking retarded
>>336546419
Both descriptions for both souls are 100% accurate, you retarded fuck.
>>336546514
Holy fuck so this whole argument about your personal definition of god despite the old one LITERALLY showing just about every conventional trait of a god?
Fucking kill yourself
>>336542221
>the spell that's an expression of her soul is a black cloud of pestilence and death
>>336546564
But Gwyn was not powerful, he was a shell. The fact that what little remained of him believed himself to be this god-like being of strength only proves my point.
Way to go, now everyone can see you know jack shit.
>>336546419
What's wrong about the description of Smough's soul?
>>336546640
That's because she's the archdemon of the fucking Valley of defilement, the filthiest, most hellish place in demon's souls
The whole point is that her soul is tainted fucking black so much that every other demon looks holy compared to it but her intentions remain pure. Her soul can be used for death cloud or a spell that ressurects
What don't you understand?
>>336546667
>still capable of easily beating your shit in
>despite burning up for ages
>not powerful
Nobody respond anymore, this is bait
>>336546667
I can't imagine what it's like to be this fucking stupid.
The soul description clearly acknowledges that he lost most of his power. It was split amongst 4 individuals, and burned in the Kiln to keep the Flame going. But in the end, Gwyns soul is still one of the most powerful in existence.
It's like you're actively trying to be stupid.
>>336546578
It's not my definition, it's the game's definition.
I don't understand, the opening crawl calls the old one a demon, all the NPCs that know what is going on call it a demon, the game is called DEMON'S Souls and you fucking idiots just keep saying "It's a god because I have decided it fits my personal definition of what a god is and I'm going to ignore everything about the game that contradicts me."
Take your head canon bullshit and shove it up your ass.
>>336546667
>he only ever used a shield a parried him
Are you forgetting that even while hollowed, Gwyn was fast and hit like a fucking truck? And his soul is the most powerful one in the game, even more so than Manus' soul.
>>336546768
He wasn't guarding anything but an illusion. The lord vessel meant nothing to anyone but Gwyndolin, Kaathe, and Frampt, so the only reason he would be there is if he believed he was guarding the princess, and his soul says as much.
>>336546667
Dat reading comprehension
>>336546895
I wasn't aware that the cathedral itself was an illusion. Smough's soul states that he was guarding the CATHEDRAL, it mentions nothing else.
You're a retard.
>>336539343
THIS SPOT MARKS OUR GRAVE
BUT YOU CAN REST HERE TOO, IF YOU'D LIKE
>a hypocrite and her boyfriedn stand between me and saving the world.
I don't feel sorry for what's have to be done. I save the world because that's the only true way.
>Muh waifu Astraea did nothing wrong abloo bloo bloo
When will this meme end? Instead of putting those sad sacks of corrupted and mutated shit out of their misery and letting them rest in peace she forces them to stay alive in that state. Furthermore she directly feeds into the Old One by embracing the demon soul.
Astraea did literally everything wrong; even Gwyn is more sympathetic than her.
>>336546895
But he was defending the cathedral, you dumb fuck. What in the fucking world is wrong with you?
>>336541368
she is female jesus christ, taking the curse of all the inhabitants of the valley into her
>>336546516
retards like you getting suckered in by her are the reason the land was so shit
>>336546864
>>336546882
>>336546891
So the music choice, Gwyn's decrepit state, and compatibly pathetic move sets didn't tip you off?
You weren't fighting a god, you were putting down an old dog. It's a deliberate anti-climax that subverts the expectation of a bombastic finale.
>>336547076
>forces them to stay alive
Stop samefagging
You're literally the only one who somehow believes this
You know, despite all the other undead mutants in the other areas she's not in
>>336547091
Just like when a bodyguard says they guard Mr. So-And-So's estate, they're literally talking about the building and not it's occupants?
Christ, are you a dropout?
>>336547157
>Hurr more than one person called me out so must be samefag durr
LikeI said they are better pff2dead so they can pass on. Keeping them alive and 'easing' their pain is selfish and a feel good action, nothing more.
>>336546889
>Demons can't be Gods
>One of the Demons is literally named Dragon God
>>336547143
The music indicates that he isn't what he used to be, nor is he what stories or legends made him out to be, but that doesn't change shit. You WERE fighting a God. He even gives you a fucking light soul for fuck sake, and that very soul is still the most powerful one in the game. Fucking Christ almighty.
>>336547143
>You weren't fighting a god
A hollowed god is still a god.
>>336547143
Didn't tip off to what? That Gwyn is no longer as strong as he once was? What does that have to do with his soul description? Gwyn's soul is still stronger than any other soul in the game, based purely on how many raw souls it will give you if consumed.
How can you still be so retarded.
>>336547291
You haven't even shown anything remotely suggesting that she's bringing them back to life you retarded fuck
>>336547256
Oh Jesus, I have never seen anyone reach so goddamn hard. This secondhand embarrassment is insane.
>>336547291
Do you have any proof at all to back up the claims you've made throughout this thread
>>336547424
So Carly Fiorina was right? Aborted fetuses can stay alive all by themselves?
>those sounds of a beast crying on the way to the fight
>>336547424
Well, her soul does make the resurrection miracle.
>>336547494
Demons and shit
You know, like literally every other area
>>336546889
We're not given enough insight into "real" gods in DeS, I'd say there's a good chance all their so-called gods are just demons and monsters they've mislabeled in regards to our interpretation of gods. That was my impression with the Old One being responsible for Soul Arts anyway, there probably aren't benevolent Christian style gods up in heaven, just these assholes.
>yfw Garl doesn't believe in the bullshit that demon Astraea is doing
>but he swore a fucking oath to protect her
>>336547424
You're fucking dumb holy shit is this the power of waifufaggotry?
>>336547494
Just as much as the Skeletons could at the Shrine of Storms
>>336547542
>Old hero creates second chance
>storm kind creates Antimagic field
>dragon god creates Wotg
>fucking leechmonger creates cure
Urbain himself says the miracle comes from 'purifying' the souls, so the respective demons don't have those powers
