what went so wrong?
literal retards demanding that everything be accessible to them too and the developers capitulating
>>336496638
dat post is fucking dumb
>>336496503
Jay Wilson?
>>336496638
Absolutely nothing wrong in that screencap.
>>336496638
I'm not socially retarded so idk but is it really asking too much for some of you to just try? Like can't you take baby steps and just talk in text and work your way up to voice chat? Don't you even want to get better?
>>336496503
everything pretty much pve wise
pvp wise, balance changes were always retarded and too late
>>336498069
The idea that you should cater content to such a small minority as "people with CRIPPLING mental and physical illnesses" is ridiculous.
It's a multiplayer game. A game where you go out and interact with other people (most of whom are probably "autistic" to begin with).
It's the dumbest appeal to emotion ever on par with "this game should be easier because my six year old daughter is unable to beat it what the fuckin Nintendo".
Which always turns into "oh you just want your little inclusive feel good club because you can play the game" which is also wrong. You can make whatever fucking game you feel like making and make it as inclusive and easy to play and appealing to actually mentally handicapped people as you feel like but you can't be shocked when it turns out that trying to appeal to a market who won't play your game in a large enough number doesn't help anything.
There's a massive difference between making a harmless game that everyone from grannies to babies to autistic gay lesbian genderqueer self diagnosed furry yifflords can play (like some shitty phone game that has you stacking blocks or something) and taking a preexisting game that's part of a, comparatively, niche market and make it appeal to those above groups.
>>336498284
>Like can't you take baby steps and just talk in text and work your way up to voice chat? Don't you even want to get better?
Graded exposure is supposed to be the way to get better. Talking through chat should be an ideal way to start.
Then again, there are people who can't so much as look at others in the eye or respond to simply questions because their anxiety is just that bad - like that guy 50 cent mistakenly thought was high at the airport. Maybe the poster falls into that category.
>>336496503
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HM40cK5tu7w
>>336496503
Garrisons killed all semblance of crafting, Highmaul was beyond awful, hyping up old characters and then throwing them away after 30seconds of screentime.
Wait, so what's the difference between Legion and Draenor? I thought they were the same xpac, but merged into one or something.
>>336498795
>that's part of a, comparatively, niche market
Are you implying MMOs and especially WoW are a "niche market"?
>>336499520
No they're two completely seperate expansions.
WoD just had like 0.4 of an expansion's worth of shit.
It's one of the easiest games I've ever played and is less social than ever.
>>336499751
Compared to your average high profile baby phone game? Yes.
>>336500427
Just remove the word 'phone' from that and you have WoW.
>>336498284
>Like can't you take baby steps and just talk in text and work your way up to voice chat?
I literally played in a top 50 world guild and never used voice chat.
He's just an autistic shitter.
>>336496503
They didn't use the opportunity to reboot the universe and lead into an expansion for the 1st, 2nd, and 3rd war.
They also continued to ignore how much they cluster fucked the whole experience in cataclysm.
Nobody cares about the drama between different coloured orcs. At leasts Mists had a world you wanted to explore.
>>336501593
I cared. All I did, I did for the Horde.
>>336501829
>Implying Garrosh did anything wrong
Sure he was a bit of a dick at the end of War Crimes and Theramore, but pre-MoP and during a lot of MoP he wasn't nearly that much of an evil character.
>>336502196
He was a weenie pre-mop.
>>336498795
you can't blame the community for cutting half of WoD
>>336498958
I agree current WoW is lackluster, but that video is pretty cherrypicked.
It was fun to level 90-100 in WoD. The problem is there is fuck all to do after you hit 100.
>>336496503
>Didn't dismantle the horde
Fuckers could have prevented WoD all together if that happened.
They just didn't add any content.
The questing is on point tho.
>>336498958
>STICHES JR!
So much truth in this video.
The garrisons were fucking awful but WoD's first leveling experience, mythic raids, and running challenge mods with my m8s were some of the best times I've had in WoW. Plus I liked how WW monk played during this expansion.
>>336498906
>like that guy 50 cent mistakenly thought was high at the airport
im interested tell me more
>>336498795
I appreciate you anon
>>336503668
>"I never played a Horde character through Wrath or Cata"
>>336496503
They blow up almost the entire developement time into garrison and then forced them into everyone's ass
>>336504313
Always liked Jaina.She was always right but then they dumbed her down because lol dragon cock
>>336496503
>What went so wrong?
NO GNOMES IN THE CINEMATIC AGAIN
IT WAS ALL DOWNHILL FROM THERE
>LFG killed realm communities
>LFR pissed on the grave
If you disagree you were an asshole and got blacklisted from grouping up with people for being a faggot or ninjalooting or whatever.
>Just don't do it
And be the only person on the server inconveniencing myself. Yeah, lemme just join /4 and start LFM/LFG. Or how about I ask guildies in my guild of about 900 people to group up for a dungeon and get a dead chat back.
Didn't have these problems on Nost.
Blizzard didn't let me have a panda wife, also Orcs are fucking shit and deserve to be ousted from Azeroth but Blizzard will never allow it
For fucksake
>>336507335
I forget the original artists name for this. Pretty talented with the facial animations.
>>336507427
Didn't the proving ground requirement not apply to anything but heroic dungeons anyway
>blizzard
>2016
That's what went wrong.
>>336507427
but it doesn't, proving grounds did it's job of filtering out the most drooling brain dead retards from dungeons
>>336507427
you fags will complain about anything. proving grounds didn't screen anybody out and was a pointless facade
>>336507427
how long until blizzard starts releasing a 5 man version of its current raid so they can release 1 instance per year with 8 difficulty levels
>>336507786
there were literally casuals who couldn't beat them for a long time though
>>336508425
the tank proving ground is a pretty good raid simulator
>healers will forget you exist
>DPS will never walk away from something that hurts them
Guys I know how to save WoW.
Make it into MOBA.
Massive one.
Few main factions sending expeditions from capitals to take points of interest on global map. Strongholds,cities, ports etc. March start on Friday and retreat if repelled on Sunday.
In mean time players gather resources, craft weapons and armours, brew potions for faction army, do quests, gather allies and auxiliaries from NPC factions, raid enemy supply and guard points in short strengthen your own factions and weaken enemy ones.
The faction troops work more like RTS troops - faction need resources to raise and maintain them and them behave more alive(spawn at barracks, reinforcements and patrols move from it), have skills, calls for help, run when wounded overall is pain in the ass to kill alone with no numbers and cc.
Players can join main factions and raise in ranks, or join mercenary companies or even neutral factions. Guilds have their own reputation so its possible to guild and their members be hostile to all main factions or even try to capture and keep castle/stronghold/keep.
Power creep is very low. Main skill set is gain on 10 level(most of the skills), some special/bonus/stronger skills can be earned by quests or reputations but the difference between fresh player(10lv) and veteran(40lv) or elite(60lv) isn't great. Making this more game about numbers of soldiers and skill than numbers on items. Magic weapons are rare.
Some races,factions, classes are locked behind certain quests or reputations gates.
I am sure that it will work great.
>>336496638
Am I wrong for thinking if a game is designed so you have to be social and you don't want to be social you should just play a different game?
>>336496638
>Has a mental illness that fucks up social interaction
>WOOOOW WHY AM I DOING BAD IN THIS MMO, A GENRE CENTRED AROUND SOCIAL INTERACTION??
As much as I sympathise with him, what a fucking idiot.
Also,
>1% """Priviledged""" enough to see content
There was no fucking priviledge in the early days of WoW, you worked hard and you were fucking rewarded accordingly.
>>336496638
>literal retards demanding that everything be accessible to them too and the developers capitulating
At the moment this is my biggest fear when it comes to the possibility of Blizzard making legacy servers. I just know if they make them they're going to listen to some outspoken shit-for-brains and ruin them somehow.
>blizzard
Well that was your first mistake..
>>336496638
>social disability
>play multiplayer game instead of single player
hes certainly disabled
>8 Dungeons, one a remake. None added in later patches
>No raids on Launch
>First tier split in half and then released seperate so you'd completed half a tier and geared before the second half had even come out
>Only two tiers of raids
>Nothing to do outside of dungeons and raids
>No quest chain reputations with good end rewards
>End game zone added two patches later and poinltess if you're raiding
>No new battlegrounds, only Ashran.
>Ashran is fucking shit
>Don't even have to do raids and dungeons because your followers can do it for you.
I think that's everything?
>>336510158
you forgot cutting Faraholn and most of Gorgrond
>>336510284
Wasn't there something in 6.2 patch notes about getting boss summoning stones as garrison rewards?
Did that get removed in 6.3 or did that never happen?
>>336501829
>>336502196
Garrosh is missed opportunity the character.
A story about Thrall trying to save Grom's son from the same fate as his dad and failing to save him as well would have been pretty spectacular. Even if it would have basically been Arthas 2 with Orcs. But the execution was horrendous. Garroshes character was never properly developed. So his motivations for being an aggressive dickhead to the point of evil never made sense, sudden xenophobia because BlizzardJW, and he becomes 100% meathead in cataclysm onward, plus they failed to properly establish him as a hero of northrend because you never fucking see him you just see his faction.
>>336510284
They also cut capital cities and didn't make a new arena map/BG
>>336510456
>6.3
Anon...
>>336510613
Sorry, I meant 6.1 and 6.2
Goddamn blizzard. 6.2 is over a year old now aswell.
>>336510158
This.
I'm happy that we get with Legion so much more content outside of Raids. I hope that the content will last long enough.
The new PvP system could motivate me to play some PvP again.
>>336510465
OH also they never fucking frame Thrall's absolute fucking up in trying to "raise" him as failure when he completely fucked that up.
So when Thrall brutally fucking murders Garrosh in Draenor you have no conflicting emotions at the end of this trainwreck of a story that took half a decade+ to unfold
Blizzard acting like having a subscription based MMO without one year of content updates is totally okay
>>336507335
uncropped of this is godlike
>>336508425
i seriously refuse to believe this and will continue to do so even if slapped with evidence. it was so stupidly easy, getting silver only required you to press 2-3 buttons to survive
>>336511521
>>336511521
you really underestimate just HOW BAD some people playing this game are
>>336511148
Garrosh was a awesome character until Cataclysm but then they fucked him completely up.with Mop.
But much worse is the new lore that Demons exist in every timer universe and can only killed completely in the Nether.
>>336511521
just google "proving grounds too hard" or look on the forums, you'll find lots of results
>>336511521
silver was piss easy, but gold is hard as shit unless you're in top raid gear or a class with good silences
>>336511937
>People who can't speak German will never hear the great story about the hunter Futureman in Shadowlaby.
>so bored I actually check out the mmo-champion forums
>mfw people actually defending WoD
>mfw people wanting to transfer their characters to WoW 2 if there ever was one (i.e. just making it another expansion)
>mfw people complaining that vanilla servers will be dangerous to the main game because "people will stop playing the main game" while also claiming that no one wants to play vanilla
>mfw people making retarded comparisons between nostalrius numbers and retail numbers
I need to shower this filth off
>>336496638
>solo player
>picks an MMO
>mental issues
you got that right
![maxresdefault[3].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/OpWgsxG.jpg "maxresdefault[3].jpg")
nothing wrong: the character
glad thrall is killing himself for being a complete failure after WC3
>>336512387
>DSP jerking it
plsno.
>>336512190
>mfw people actually defending WoD
I always thought that the mmo-champion forums would be like /r/wow(which means they are very critical about Blizzard and WoW).
>>336512521
It seems to be about 90% "blizzard is always right" guys and 10% "blizzard is always wrong" guys
>>336512521
> /r/wow(which means they are very critical about Blizzard and WoW).
You know you've fucked up when even reddit wont gobble your corporate cock
>>336512521
Go read the 1200 page post in their general about legacy servers. It will make you die inside.
>>336506579
Everyone loses to cock.
>>336496503
Extremely boring.
>>336496503
Everything that will go wrong with Legion.
>>336513240
I don't disagree with Blizzard about the legacy servers. At the start there would be huge demand but players who never have experienced vanilla/Bc would quit quickly.
The Veterans would have fun for a short time but they will rush through the content very fast because they are now much more better player than they were back in 2006.
That said now would be the best time for a legacy server while players are bored with WoD.
>>336498284
I can barely speak to people irl and I manage to get by in MMOs, although it does take me forever before I start speaking to new people over voice chat.
>>336513717
>At the start there would be huge demand but players who never have experienced vanilla/Bc would quit quickly
Some would, some wouldn't.
>The Veterans would have fun for a short time but they will rush through the content very fast
"Completing all of the content" is basically impossible. Even hardcore veterans would need to be extremely dedicated and have a difficult time with it.
Literally nothing wrong with LFR/LFG.
>>336514097
LRF/LFG were just to remedy the fact you couldn't get a pug if you hadn't already done the dungeon or the raid because you had to present your achievement.
Really achievements are the problem.
>>336514097
ebin
>>336513717
Vanilla servers could be perfect for content droughts like this. I'm pretty sure no one wants to do whatever padding dungeon Blizzard shits out ~80 weeks in a row when they could at the very least be mixing in some older raids.
>b-b-b-but they could just lock their character at 60 and do them!!
Anyone who has actually tried this knows that spells are so fucking overtuned now that any non-max level content is a joke. You can literally do MC with like 5 people at 60, with or without heirlooms. With 40 you could probably do it naked with white weapons.
I've said it before but it's a big dream for me that Blizzard would make seasons/ladder progression servers. It's likely that it wont happen but it would be the ULTIMATE padding content. They have 10 years of content just waiting to be reused, they could make that fucking year they take between patches nowadays fly past by drizzling it out over time. People would resub for the beginning of a season just as they do in Diablo. Throw in some exclusive achievements and you'll get anyone who still cares about the game hooked.
>>336514034
>Completing all of the content" is basically impossible. Even hardcore veterans would need to be extremely dedicated and have a difficult time with it.
I'm talking only about the raid content but maybe you are right because it takes waaaay more time to equip a character in Vanilla than now.
>>336496503
Pvp and pve are shit. I want to go around wrecking scrubs because my gear is from actually being good at the game. Instead what I get is everyone has the same gear and there's no one with an advantage :^))))).
RIP in piss wow.
>>336496503
I haven't played in over a year (since MoP), so this past weekend they sent me an email to upgrade to WoD for free, along with a week of gametime. Should I play? Would I even be able to do anything cool in a week's worth of time? I don't plan on subbing, but this same shit happened to me in cata and I ended up playing the rest of the expansion to get the legendary daggers for my rogue.
>>336514478
>Would I even be able to do anything cool in a week's worth of time?
What level were you at?
How much gold did/do you have?
Because depending on that, you could get to levelcap extremely easily and do some LFR endgame raids.
>>336514478
You need longer than that to set up the infinite token factory garrison so nah lad, just take it for the free WoD but there's not much fun to be had in playing for 7 days.
>>336514478
You can literally go from level 1 to killing Archimonde in under 2 days.
>>336514391
>Gear is indicative of skill in wow
This is bait but ffuuuuck
>>336514216
>Really achievements are the problem.
people being retarded autists is the problem
>start normal mode HFC group
>demand that people be 13/13 heroic to actually join
literally what's the point, why would ~15 people with AotC all need to run normal mode HFC
>>336514583
With VERY specific setup, you can.
>People are bitching for Vanilla servers
>Not wanting realms with removed cross-realms and removed instant party button feature so people come together like old time to do shit
I don't want the old content, i played it already. Give me the new shit with what made the game great before.
>>336514802
Absolutely awful idea.
>>336514729
that has to do with ilvl inflation and stale content not achievs
>>336514729
>whats the point
so I can get my crystalized fel quickly, go find another group retard
>>336514903
People have been that retarded since WotLK, its not something unique to WoD.
>>336514802
pristine servers are an even worse idea than legacy servers. Modern WoW isn't designed for people to not use at least LFG
>>336514802
Except that only really changes the leveling experience and not by much. You get to 100 and it's the same old shit, log in 30 minutes each day and set up your followers, log out until raid time, clear everything out in 4 hours then repeat. Leveling will also still be piss easy since everything gets 2shot at worst and your xp bar is about 10x shorter than it should be. The "new shit" is exactly that, shit, and just a change like that isn't going to change that.
GARRISONS.
>3 raids
>horribly designed gear
>worst tier sets ever
>they still have that "grind for legendary" shit
>tanaan
>no flying unless you complete the most obnoxious achievement
>ashran
>removed a lot of fun spells from classes
>>336514274
The only thing I'm interested about vanilla servers is to try out Wailing Caverns in its old form. It was my first dungeon in WoW and we were not able to finish it because we had so much trouble.
>>336515076
>removed a lot of fun spells from classes
I sure do enjoy having 5 hotbars full of extremely niche bullshit abilities
>>336515209
If you don't want to use them then don't.
>>336515209
As do I.
Great that we're in an agreement.
They cut so many corners to meet the expectation of shorter expansion releases that they basically sabotaged the game. So much content was cut in order to meet the demand because Blizzard screwed themselves by releasing MoP's content updates too frequently so we were once again stuck with a year of a raid. Despite all that effort, we're not only right back where we started from, we're back in one of the most content deprived expansions ever created.
I'm actually glad Legion is taking as long as it is, it means more time for them to be working on it instead of trying to rush it out the door. But they'll probably rush it anyways, but hopefully with the negative publicity already happening they'll give less of a fuck of the content being late, since there's barely a community to cater to now.
Hopefully they can keep that big-ass population spike for Legion, if it even comes back.
>>336515281
The point is they also have to be balanced and have things designed around their existance.
If they're useless, they don't get used and are just adding work.
>>336515389
Just existing doesn't add work. It's more work to remove them.
>>336515368
Legion having its alpha open and generating feedback far earlier is a good step, and its already done a lot of good.
>>336499282
>Garrisons killed crafting
Nigga Garrisons were just the final nail in a broken coffin.
>>336515451
>It's more work to remove them.
Which spells in particular are you butthurt about?
>>336502196
Pre-MoP yes, during most of MoP no. He was a straight up villain during that.
>>336515490
I feel optimistic for Legion, since it seems like they're delivering on the things they promised already and delivering on extras like Stormwind park being rebuilt.
I'm still skeptical, but so far so good. The new character stat menu is absolute garbage though.
>>336515076
I'd rather have flying be earned through playing the game and seeing the content they've designed around ground mounts than another bland goldsink once you hit max level
The only bad part about draenor pathfinder was the rep requirement making it time gated
>>336515578
Magma totem as elemental shaman, for instance.
>>336515209
play death knight then and enjoy your hotbar full of "take x% less damage for y seconds" abilities
>>336508425
I did it while absolutely piss drunk, though. And I'm not all that good to begin with. It's fucking useless. Only REAL retards got stuck by it.
>>336515694
http://www.wowdb.com/spells/152255-liquid-magma
>>336515796
Not the same thing
magma totem helped me spin flags, liquid magma is a short CD
>>336511148
Actually I figured it was a fitting end to Garrosh, but once the cutscene played out THEN I got conflicting emotions. It left a bad taste in my mouth.
Like, the whole "raid his stronghold" thing was fucking awesome. And then he clashes with you in front of his army... and then Thrall teleports to Nagrand with him for a duel and uses the elements to Raiden his ass, all the while refusing to take a single shred of responsibility.
Nothing it's lot's of fun! Plus there are so many great prices and deals on WoW right now. You guys should go check out battle net!
>>336515796
And? Why do I suddenly need to spend a talent point to get a skill I've had since vanilla? Why does enhancement get it for free? And it's not even the same spell. Does this shit even hit stealthed players?
>>336515674
I dunno man. I thought having no flying was great, at the start. Then when you actually want shit done in the least amount of time possible having a 100% speed mount is fucking painful.
Sure, don't have it in the first patch. Add it a bit later but don't have requirements that make it take more than a month to get it.
>>336514984
This. Achievements killed wotlk for me, not LFG. Trade chat turned into "req 14/14H for invite" to a fucking -normal-. Wanted to group for pvp? Link all BG cheevos, etc.
While I also hold resentment for the ilvl addon that Blizz ended up incorporating into the game, I understand the game is gear-centric in the first place. But at least I didn't need to have 200% the minimum gearscore to get into raids.
>>336516145
the only real problem with it was requiring Saberstalker rep, everything else was piss easy and you could do it while leveling
>>336516263
No you can't. You need rep with the Tanaan factions, not any base WoD factions.
>>336496503
activision blizzard
>>336516119
Because apparently you find it useful.
Don't want to spend it? You've got like 3 other abilities that would allow you do achieve the same thing in a less cheesy way.
>>336516145
That's why I'd only remove the time gate, the rest of the requirements were easy enough to do in a day and once you have it you have it forever on all characters
>>336507335
source
>>336516445
So any abilities that are useful should be removed so they can be used to pad out talent trees instead of them coming up with new talents?
there's fuck all to do outside of hfc, and even the "rep grinds" manage to be entirely ungrindable and ridiculously uninteresting to do
i can't even pug a party for 2/3 required flying reps and spend the time talking with people about whatever, i'd rather grind saberstalkers to exalted 5 times over than do the other two.
>>336516263
saberstalkers were the best one because you literally just grinded it out in a day or two with a group, the other two require literally a month or more of really fucking boring and annoying dailies.
>>336516223
people wanting >720ilvl for mythic dungeons was quite the pain - it was easier to get into heroic hfc pugs than normal hfc pugs/mythic dungeon pugs, shit was kinda surreal honestly.
>>336516145
how they handled flying was some of the worst PR they've done, on top of pretending they gave a shit about draenor exploration when they had actually broke flying at launch and just didn't want to fix it
>>336516345
That was another problem with orclords, the reps were fucking terrible for equally terrible rewards
It's like they heard all the complaints about dailies in MoP and went too far in the opposite direction by making everything a straight up mob grind for single digit rep points
>>336516545
It hasn't been removed.
Not really padded either; like I said, if you really feel the need to have a totem do something you can do yourself then spend a talent point on it.
>>336496638
>forcing people to socialize doesn't always benefit
In the instance of CRZ and mixing regions together I would agree, the but that fucking post is some akira tier cancer.
>>336516815
Cool counterargument, really looking forward to your next post. Keep it up.
>>336512190
mmo-champion is like the anti /v/. Pretty much everything that comes down the pipes they get so hyped over I can't help but wonder how much of it is forced.
>>336517208
>mmo-champion is like the anti /v/.
Its full of insightful and meaningul quality posting?
>>336516691
At this point I'd welcome the MoP dailies back with open arms. At least they had some charm and were fun at times.
>>336516915
What he's getting at is that constantly meeting strangers and people you do not know if far different than meeting people from your server.
Granted you didn't always know people on your server, but they don't just disappear when they walk to the next zone. There's a level of community there that does not exist across zones.
Você quer falar com os brasileiros? Como você está indo para se comunicar? A Europa é bom porque a maioria das pessoas falar um pouco de Inglês ou comunicar numa lÃngua comum. A maioria dos brasileiros que encontrei não sei Inglês.
>>336516915
That wasn't a counterargument but thanks anyway.
>>336496503
Fucking casuals is what went wrong
>>336517508
No problem.
Next time you want to post "This is shit", please don't.
The quality of the board depends on it.
>>336516736
It's not even the same totem.
Other than that, in Legion they are removing Earth Shield, Searing Totem, Tremor Torem, Grounding Totem and Capacitor Totem. I don't even know what fucking totems are left at this point other than the elementals.
>>336517347
Exactly.
![ZltCxaK[1].gif](https://i.imgur.com/WJTuwHq.gif "ZltCxaK[1].gif")
>>336517314
YOU ARE NOT APPRECIATE THE EPIC DAILYS IN WOD. WHAT THE HELL IS WRONG WITH YOU???
>>336517563
Casuals aren't really the problem. It's more casuals expecting to have access to everything on par with the best/most hardcore players with absolutely zero effort, for some reason.
>>336517583
>/v/
>quality
Okay anon, whatever you say.
>>336510520
i mean, ashran kinda was the new BG. too bad it was just another pve grindfest like AV and IoC
>>336517647
Oh yeah, an apparently they removed ascendance and made it a talent for padding. And capacitor totem was also made a talent. They literally can't fill the tree out without reusing old stuff.
>>336517832
Yeah, that's really weird. I had high hopes for the new talent system but so far they haven't really done anything useful with it.
>>336517707
The game got too popular for its own good and casuals didn't want leveling to be difficult
>>336517832
I don't understand why they can't make talent trees just improve your existing spells?
Why do you need to remove abilities just to put them back as a talent?
What kind of person actually likes this design
>>336518150
I never really did understand why suddenly people have to have everything handed to them. If something's too hard, that should be a sign to stop being shit and actually put some effort in, no?
>>336496503
gw went f2p
>>336518348
Nah if something's too hard there's clearly something wrong with the design
>>336496503
If you're a 4chan user, you know wtf was wrong and stop wasting board space with this topic.
If you're a secret blizzard dev, then asking this question is a waste of time because your game is already doomed.
>>336518428
Or it's simply a failure to properly communicate how you're intended to use or do something by the developer.
>reading ERP profiles because thats what I transferred to Moon Guard for
>"Her pussy is always in anticipation of some action, even occasionally dripping some droplets of pussy lubricant"
Is incontinence a common fetish or do people not know that girls piss themselves when they're horny?
WoD specifically:
Garrisons
Garrisons 2.0
Warriors being gutted.
Two raid tiers.
Only new PVP content is Ashran.
>>336518428
I'm reminded of when I tried XIV and the top raiders were bitching constantly that they couldn't down the latest boss in aweekand it was too hard.
I don't get it.
>>336515034
>You get to 100 and it's the same old shit, log in 30 minutes each day and set up your followers, log out until raid time, clear everything out in 4 hours then repeat.
minus the garrisons, you just described vanilla. end game was literally just raiding and farming for mats. the leveling process WAS the majority of the game. that's why blizzard suggested the function of removing leveling boosts and group finder shit: to make leveling last longer. that seems to be what people want in addition to a stronger community. i don't see why people think this is a bad compromise.
>mfw ashran
>>336496503
Half the game was cut for time, the Garrison ended up being required, there was only one real patch.
If it had been a fully featured expansion like MoP or Wrath it would have been fine.
>>336515670
eh, there will be light addons to display the old stat menu since the values can be still be found in the API. the players who want a better way of managing that stuff will find a way to do it quickly.
i'm looking forward to legion too. the august 30th release date doesn't bother me since they seem to be polishing the expansion as much as possible. the only problems for me right now are some of the class changes. some specs look great while others look like total garbage, but i guess we'll have to wait and see how it all plays out.
>>336512109
Gear is scaled down, so no, gear doesn't matter.
Also I did gold dps as fucking blood DK, the tank with the worst damage. It really isn't hard if you are smart with how you use the berserkers.
>>336518682
it would take more than xp tweaks as low level content is so neglected and badly tuned
>>336496638
>I have autism and can't interact with others
>I should definitely play a game that requires me to interact with others for full enjoyment
>In fact, they should change the game to cater to me
You can't make this shit up.
>>336518682
In vanilla you weren't fully geared for raiding within hours of hitting max level because 5 mans weren't 10 minute linear sprints where in the rare instance you manage to die you're teleported directly to the dungeon's entrance. And at least farming materials then meant actually playing the game - doing BRD for your dark iron recipes, etc.. Now you just tell your followers to play for you. You can even pay Blizzard to give you gold so you can buy anything else you want, or just use the 100k+ gold/month the garrison gives you. There's nothing in the game now other than raiding or farming old shit for achievements or mounts.
I'm not saying it's a bad idea, it certainly beats out the regular realms today, but it's no replacement for an actual good expansion.
>>336511368
Really feels like they're running an experiment to find out how little money they can put into the game's development while remaining profitable.
Legion will be the exact same shit as WoD. It will be front-loaded with content with years between patches.
>>336498284
Playing on a Vanilla WoW private server actually helped me break away from my reclusive habits early in college. It might sound sad, but at that point in time I would go to classes where I didn't talk to anybody, then go right back into my room when they were over. The majority of the talking I did on any given day was over voice chat.
>>336519860
Sounds like me right now, except I fill in the gap by talking to myself
>>336518994
all they'd have to do is lower your character's relative power and health by like 30%. then everything would be fairly challenging rather than a total cakewalk.
>>336511368
>subscriber count at an all time low, but revenue high
I believe it. My brother started retail back up after Nostalrius was shut down. Since then he's already hit 100 and race changed his character.
One month of subscription plus the cost of that transfer is $40. That's almost three months of subscription revenue from one person in on month's time.
How come it's so much easier to dress skimpily on cloth wearers than it is on anyone else?
Trying to find a good looking skimpy leather set that doesn't involve a loincloth that looks like a furry diaper is a nightmare
>>336496503
Started playing this during a free trial.
What the fuck is this Garrison shit?
Why am I a special snowflake thats important enough to have my own Garrison?
My character may as well be a lore figure at this point.
>>336520378
Blizzard isn't just WoW, Hearthstone prints money like crazy
>>336520452
back to wowg pls
>>336520691
whats that
Blizzard doesn't understand what made their franchises good. That's truly what it comes down to. You can see this in every product after the Activision merger. The steady decline of WoW. The mishandling of Starcraft 2. The shitshow that was Diablo 3. The absolute failure of HotS.
Their only lasting products are currently WoW (which has record low subs) and Hearthstone. Hearthstone is an anomaly though. It's not a particularly good game, but it has no real competition in the market. There is no good digital MTG game. Other similar games came too late and don't have the marketing presence to overtake it.
If you look at Diablo, you can see that while a community does still exist, it's much smaller than it could have been. Same with StarCraft 2. Same with HotS. Now the same with WoW.
Blizzard does not understand what makes its older games so good, even today. Instead they've approached their newer titles with an unfocused design, until they finally struck gold with Hearthstone.
After Hearthstone, their games have all followed the same design philosophy. Control the player experience as much as possible. Make the game similar to another but dumb it way down for the lowest common denominator. Avoid including tools that would allow the community to grow organically, and instead attempt to force the community to go in their desired direction.
You can see this in WoW by them railroading players into garrisons and raiding. You can see this in Starcraft with their heavy handed "balancing". You can see this in Diablo with seasons. You can see this in Hearthstone with Standard and the new meta-enforcing cards. You can see this in HotS by the ENTIRE DESIGN. You will also see this in Overwatch.
Blizzards games used to foster community involvement and organic growth. They are now locked down and the company takes a heavy handed approach in telling you how you should be playing THEIR game. Cont....
>>336520979
how come all Yrel porn gives her an unnecessarily massive horse dick
>>336520460
I'm fairly certain that Blizzard will eventually come up with a 'lore character' for each WoW class character.
>>336521198
that's yrel's dark secret
>>336521198
>unnecessary
>>336521164
Continued
It's extremely telling that they do this, because alternative modes of play are either not supported or openly derided.
In Diablo 3 you are expected to be playing for that season. In Starcraft 2, community maps had barebones support which killed the community. You were and still are expected to play ladder, and only touch custom games for a fun break from laddering. In WoW you are expected to do your garrison and raid or dedicate to PvP. Support for small group content exists entirely as a stepping stone for those types of content. Solo content is provided as a worse alternative and the community derides those who aren't raiding/doing arena. In Hearthstone, you are openly mocked for not playing Standard and the newly introduced cards enforce Blizzard defined archetypes, rather than foster creativity. In HotS you have to play each match the way Blizzard tells you to in order to win. Map objectives, while good on paper, turn each game into the same thing, forcing players to do things Blizzards way. There is zero room for real creativity or interesting strategy, since your strategy is predefined by Blizzard. The lack of currency and items in the game further restricts play style variation and creativeness, Again, you play the way Blizzard tells you to, or you have a bad time.
Blizzard does not understand why people enjoyed their previous games, and it doesn't seem like they care to either. Legion will be more of the same terrible design philosophy as will Overwatch.
>>336496638
But vanilla and BC were casual as fuck
>>336521787
Compared to EQ they were. WoW was successful because it was accessible enough for fresh blood but challenging enough to pull people from EQ, which was just fucking brutal.
>>336520452
>cloth
>not mail
>>336521787
>Leveling is balanced around 2 people in a group
>Weeks of cumulative playtime required to hit level cap
>High-end raiding is a second job with a work schedule
>You have to devote hours to grinding in order to have pots/flasks/enchants/food to compete
>Casual
>>336496638
>autism
>plays a blood elf hunter
why am i not suprised
>>336511368
At least that last one gets answered in Legion, I guess.
Still makes me fucking furious that Neptulon shows up in the Shaman campaign and pretends like absofuckinglutely nothing happened in Cataclysm. They straight up forgot about the entire thing in the Throne of the Tides.
>>336521985
Blizzard doesn't care anon. They haven't for a long time and you need to accept that.
>>336521959
Vanilla WoW was the most casual MMO when it was released.
>>336522303
Relatively casual, sure. Casual on its own? Not at all.
It's a poor argument to make because everything is casual babbyshit compared to games like Runescape, that doesn't make them outright casual though.
>>336521885
show me a full matching skimpy set for mail then
>>336522303
That's because other MMOs at the time reset or de-leveled you for dying and had encounters that last for several hours, not raids, encounters.
More power to the people who want that. But it's pretty obvious that WoW's success was hitting the right balance of commitment to payout.
>>336512387
The thing is, there are literally no single player RPG games with as many addictive hooks as WoW. All you get is WRPG bullshit that's somehow less fun to play or Moe Quest 5. Even games that are kinda like single player MMO's aren't as polished and interesting as WoW.
>>336522632
this. Vanilla WoW isn't casual objectively, it's just casual compared to complete bullshit that's actively hostile to the people playing it
r8 mog lads
>>336522987
This.
I'm level 26 or 27 on Kronos 1 right now in 50 some hours of game time. Granted that, heading back to Org to AH things, some PvP, some fishing, and quite a bit of herbalism and tailoring. But even by the standards of other RPGs at that time that's quite a lot of time to barely be 1/3(only technically, since the exp reqs skyrocket)of the way through the LEVELING content. Not including end game progression, be that PvP, raiding or both.
And I'm playing a frost mage, this is a cakewalk compared to my warrior leveling in retail vanilla. I also thought I was leveling fairly slow, but several other people were impressed with the level I was in that amount of game time, not sure who to believe there though.
>>336523579
>edgelord colors on a paladin
knights of the ebin blade
>>336523649
>paladin
nope
and I went with edgelord colors to match the tabard
>>336523630
1-60 averages about 10 days
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4n6WP9qHyRM
Tell them only that the Lich King is dead,and that Blizzard died with him.
>>336524052
Blizzard died with the Activision merger just before 2.3. WOTLK was butchered from what it was supposed to be and the Lich King fight was objectively bad.
r8 mog lads
>>336524206
They still had enough life in them to have one last good expansion.
LFD sucked but it was at the very end
>>336524504
you're right MoP was good
Reminder that this was best login screen
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uUbOayWUQ_c
>>336524547
>The expansion that was so thoroughly uninteresting that it broke the addiction on millions of players
>Good
>>336496503
PvP/Competitive gameplay
PvE is a God send tho
>>336524725
I didn't say WoD, there was no significant decline in numbers in MoP aside from the drop-off before WoD when SoO was dragging.
>>336524626
>Beat the dragon
>Good
>No gate
>Good
It's Vanilla or TBC nigga, no denying
>>336524810
>It's the dark portal or the dark portal
>or how about the red dark portal ooh
>>336524626
Reminder that it's only good because of nostalgia for TFT's superior screen/
>>336518556
>and you dont want to fix it
>>336524940
Nah I never played warcraft during my childhood
So did we get the vanilla servers?
>>336525186
who is this literal goddess
>>336525162
oh man you missed it
i bet you got a girlfriend and other nerd shit like that
>>336524804
>there was no significant decline in numbers in MoP
But they steadily declined through the entire expansion and then a stiff drop at the end?
Cataclysm and Warlords for how shit they were at least they excited the playerbase both former and current when they first saw them.
>>336524893
>Not understanding having the login button being placed within a portal to adventure was cool as shit
>Not having the closed gates to Icecrown citadel and then opened gates after the ICC patch hits
>Implying that Dragon didn't cause a frame rate dip on 85% of WoW players computers
You are entirely stupid
>>336525162
That explains a lot.
>>336525524
>hating fun so much you have to justify your hatred of MoP by excusing Cata and WOD
>WoW
>at any point being hard
Reading people say Vanilla was to hard/took to long is hilarious to me because back when WoW came out it was praised for being casual.
Most reviews praised the game for being easily accessible and easy to play. The mere fact quests were a plenty and you could get experience from them instead of having to kill imps for 60 levels was a god send at the time.
You want clunky and tedious? Go play 99 EQ where there were like 2 quests in the entire game and the only way to level was through killing regular enemies. Also no instanced dungeons. Dungeons were just out in the open and people had to fight each other for respawn times.
Just shows how deluded mmos have become as a genre and how devolved the average player is. Standards are rock bottom now
>>336525786
Yes, people have been spoiled by over a decade of games becoming more and more about instant gratification. This isn't a surprise.
>garrisons
>trivializing collecting herbs/ore/crafting resources
>garrisons = best way to make money if you have 10 alts
>4 fucking difficulties of the same SHITTY raids
>1+year of siege of citadel
>class homogenization
>tanaan jungle
I could go on for days but these are the main things that fucked it up
>>336525786
>games can't be hard unless they're badly designed and pointlessly anti-player
do From devs post on /v/?
>>336525786
>The mere fact quests were a plenty and you could get experience from them instead of having to kill imps for 60 levels was a god send at the time
What fucking good RPG ever has just had you killing mundane minions for the entire game until stuff happened at the end?
It wasn't casualizing it was bringing half decent game design into the game.
>Dungeons were just out in the open and people had to fight each other for respawn times.
How would anybody in their right mind defend this over a well tuned challenge for you and 5-40 friends? Dungeons in WoW are you venturing into the depths of danger, it's completely understandable that no one else would be there.
>You want clunky and tedious?
No? Not at all. I want a world with a challenge that requires lots of player interactions without it being fucking insanely obtuse and unreasonable.
>>336525786
EQ was fucking shit for exactly those reasons though. People only played it because there was dick all else to play.
>>336526451
Wasn't defending EQ, I was just comparing the two.
WoW was always made to be accessible, people just got stupider
>>336526451
>How would anybody in their right mind defend this
believe it or not, it's fun. it's also direct competition which inspires people to git gud and rewards you for it.
>it's completely understandable that no one else would be there
except people
except there are always tons of people in every dungeon/raid. try a /who sometime.
>>336526964
If the majority of people found EQ fun then WoW never would have taken off like it did or pulled as many players from EQ as it did.
>there are people who don't transmog away from robes whenever possible
why the fuck are people okay with robes basically being your leg morphed into a giant oval with feet floating in nothing
>>336527096
WoW was so much smoother and technologically superior. The graphics/story/world were also way better in WoW.
I'm not saying EQ's system was objectively superior, but it's easy to see the appeal in a game that functions the way it did. It all depends on what you prefer.
>>336527314
>not transmogging your belf fire mage into a Kael'thas impersonator in preparation for getting Felo'melorn in Legion
>>336527429
>Playing Legion
>>336527429
>belf
>mage
>Kael'thas impersonator
>Legion
>>336526864
>WoW was always made to be accessible, people just got stupider
>Wow tried to strike a balance between it's competitor's fucking ludicrous difficulty and fun
>This happened to be easier than losing an entire exp bar, so therefore WoW was entirely about casualization
>>336526964
More power to you for enjoying it man, but it's pretty obvious from the fact that WoW dethroned EQ and how insanely hard it's proven to dethrone MMO's since then that most people would disagree with you
>Except people are also in the zone too
From a lore perspective you retard. Wow got you into the atmosphere and I can't imagine anything more atmosphere breaking than venturing into the Wailing Caverns for the first time, only for a lone capped character running out of it with everything you were setting out to kill dead behind him.
>>336527471
legion actually looks decent, blizzard has (seemingly) listened to some fan input
>>336527769
>Garrisons 2
>Implying
I swear how are you in every thread
>>336524804
who is this
>>336527769
It's adorable that you actually believe that. First WoW expansion or just hopelessly addicted? Must be one of those or you'd know that people have been saying the exact same shit since the absolute shitshow that was Cataclysm.
In fact, I'm fairly sure people said the EXACT SAME THING when WoD was in development and we can all see how that turned out.
The one,who will deliver us all.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zqHTwLU40yU
>>336527629
>From a lore perspective you retard
The lore supports competitors being in the same dungeon as you.
>Wow got you into the atmosphere and I can't imagine anything more atmosphere breaking than venturing into the Wailing Caverns for the first time, only for a lone capped character running out of it with everything you were setting out to kill dead behind him.
It all depends on what you consider atmospheric I guess. I get the appeal of both. Raiding and level-cap dungeons were magical with friends back in the day, but the world being rife with competition at every turn also appeals to a pvp junkie like me.
>>336528076
I don't remember being excited for WoD, and if I even was it would have been killed when they canceled Karabor and Bladespire Citadel
WoD was 100% a filer expansion to set up the next one and Legion isn't
>>336528217
Right and SoO and ICC droughts were there to better prep for the next expansion pack
Lmao
>>336528217
I'll bet you believed that SoO lasted so long so they could work on WoD too huh?
>>336528309
right because wasting big patch numbers on "the priest patch" or "the warlock patch" was considered content back in 05-06
lmao
>>336528424
Someone post the patch pie charts
