>Dark Souls is not a JRPG
I found this a curious statement and went to do some research on the matter.
Here's an excerpt I found from Wikipedia.
>While Western computer developers continued to explore the possibilities of real-time RPG gameplay to a limited extent,[12] Japanese developers, with their recently aroused interest in the RPG genre, created a new brand of action/RPG, combining the RPG genre with arcade-style action and action-adventure elements.[13][14] This trend of combining RPG elements with arcade-style action mechanics was popularized by The Tower of Druaga,[14] an arcade game released by Namco in June 1984. However, the company often considered the pioneer of the new action RPG genre is Nihon Falcom,[1] which produced the Dragon Slayer series and won its reputation as the progenitor of the action RPG genre.[15] Dragon Slayer was created by Yoshio Kiya,[16] who built on the action RPG elements of his previous game Panorama Toh,[11] as well as The Tower of Druaga.[14] Falcom's Dragon Slayer series abandoned the command-based battles of previous RPGs in favour of real-time hack-and-slash combat that requires direct input from the player, alongside puzzle-solving elements.[1] The original Dragon Slayer,[16] originally released for the PC-8801 computer in September 1984,[17] is often considered to be the first true action-RPG.
So the first true action-RPG was a japanese game.
There you have it folks, not only is Dark Souls a JRPG but by extension all action RPG's actually stem from and are influenced by japanese games like Dragon Slayer and Nihon Falcom
Westaboo status: BTFO
>>336477303
>by extension all action RPG's actually stem from and are influenced by japanese games like Dragon Slayer and Nihon Falcom
That's quite a logical leap there.
It's nonsense that Souls is somehow not a JRPG, yet Final Fantasy is.
People are honestly convinced that all games from japan are anime shit. They don't want the "taint" of being associated with Japan, even though souls games have the best waifus, the fanbase is full of waifu fags, and dark souls has references to loli/shota japanese porn games.
But hey! it's not ANIME so it's not Japanese!
>>336478330
THE WEST IS PURE
REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
>western setting
>western style
>western characters
>JRPG
Just because it's made in Japan, doesn't mean that it's japanese. Everything about it screams WRPG. If you didn't know it came from Japan you would have never guessed it...
>>336477303
Dark Souls is essentially a western game. So is Dragons Dogma, MGS, Zelda, Mario, or Pokemon.
>>336479678
>RPG
>From Japan
not a Japanese RPG
>>336479767
This. Except Pokemon. There's nothing western about its style.
>>336479678
It's a good modern game though so you can easily tell it wasn't made anywhere in the west.
>>336479678
>Just because it's made in Japan, doesn't mean that it's japanese
>>336477303
Since when do people not consider DaS a JRPG? I'd argue it's not even an RPG, but if you call it an RPG, then it's a JRPG.
>>336479678
If a label is so ineffective at doing its job then it's better off being discarded.
JRPG and WRPG are meaningless terms that confuse more than clarifies. Why don't you people use proper terms like Action RPG, Tactical RPG, Turn-based RPG etc? Because they won't allow to shitpost about Japan vs the West?
>>336479678
>butthurt westaboo has to claim Japanese things because his western culture is so devoid of anything of quality
>>336479678
yes you would because of the heavy animations. a misstep is mainly because of the animations have not been processed when hitting a button.
there is where the brilliance is, also not forget that monsters and bosses are more creative in Japanese games for some reason.
>>336479678
Dude are you aautistic? kek
i want to fuck miku
>>336477303
I'm gonna need a link to that mod on the right
>>336479678
Actually i would immediately assume the game was Japanese because it is actually good, unlike Western games.
>>336479767
So you niggers are telling me that a game made in Japan created by Japanese folks is some how not japanesse? fucking holly shit anons you are fucking retarded. kek
>>336479678
>just because it's japanese doesn't mean it's japanese
This is the kind of retards we have to deal with every day. I wish morons like you would all take up a tripcode.
JRPGs are for stories
WRPGs are for immersing yourself in a fantasy setting and fucking around.
"jrpg" and "wrpg" are completely worthless descriptors when trying to define a game genre and should never be used.
>>336480626
I'd fuck both tbqh
>>336478330
>references to loli and shota porn
>not just berserk references
>citation needed
>>336479678
Even though you're trolling, for someone like me who is new to RPGs I felt a major difference between DS and the other RPGs I played which had a samey feel to me.
>>336477303
When i played dark souls i didn't know it was from japan, but when i took a step in the game i knew it was from there.
>>336479678
Dude, it's hard, thats japanese.
>>336477303
Actually dark souls is a jrpg because it actually has gameplay
>>336480674
Saying where the product comes from is a important information, even more in video games since the west can't make good games.
>>336479678
people really should be savvy enough to not take bait this obvious -- but i am on /v/, of course
remember, kids -- if it either sounds too good to be true, or something that you EXACTLY would expect to see, then it is bait
>>336480939
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4nyHPIcbn88
>>336477726
All I know is I was playing japanese action RPGs long before cRPGs evolved past:
>First person turn based dungeon crawler
or
>Overhead quasi turn based combat
cRPG and JRPG used to just be a distinction largely concerning player agency. Whether our control over how the story progresses, our character progresses, or both.
Now it may as well just be a literal regional tag. The genre distinctions are dead.
>>336477303
>semantics
you have no idea how much I don't give a fuck, it's obviously easy to differentiate das from other jrpgs being that most jrpgs aren't action rpgs and if they can be considered arpg their realtime action mechanics are usually limited in scope. I'm really not offended at all by people making this differentiation. also das is fairly moderate thematically where most jrpgs are hyper fantastical and/or have heavy anime influence in their art style.
I really don't care if das is or isn't a jrpg, but it's very obvious that it's very different than most rpgs that come out of japan.
>>336477303
but thats demons souls
>tfw Japan undoubtedly makes the best games
>tfw Japan absofuckinglutely hates PC and will only port games a decade after they have been relevant
>tfw PC has nothing but shitty western multiplats and shitty "Japanese" indie porn games
>tfw you fell for the PC meme
It's not fair bros... it's not fucking fair...
IT'S NOT
FUCKING
FAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIRRRRRRRRRRRRRR
WHY WHY WHY WHY WHY WHY
>>336477303
this is good
i've seen too many normies and "nerds" who have gotten into gaming in the past five years or so believe that MGS and souls games are made by western developers/studios. how hard is it to just go on a wiki and see all the ching chong names?
>>336479678
>>western setting
Fantasy Setting, not western. There are just as many katanas as there are claymores. In fact most of the easter items tend to have more lore like Bewitched Alonne Sword, which is a self aware sword from japanese mythology.
>>western style
Japanese style does not equal anime.
Not in an anime style does not equal western style.
>>western characters
Debatable, the character seem to come from many places, from the west to middle east to east.
>>JRPG
RPG made is japan, so yes.
>>336482512
i'm replaying DaSI on PC with DSfix after playing it on PS3. DSfix is a dream come true -- although, it wasn't from who made DSfix
>>336482790
he didn't really mean what he said
>>336482871
You're playing a game that PC'ucks literally had to beg for, and got it an entire year later. Dark Souls 1 should be the flag of how absolutely dismal PC is for Japanese games.
>>336479678
>Just because it's made in Japan, doesn't mean that it's japanese
>>336482263
I fail to see how a song about Monster Girl Quest is relevant.
>>336483020
is one year that bad? look at SK: shinovi versus -- but i guess DaS is a AAA game
>>336482512
>tfw Japan undoubtedly makes the best games
I'll concede that japan right now is more consistent with quality, we'll get 2-3 worthwhile jap made games a year and 1 maybe 2 western developed games a year or none at all.
all the console exclusive weeb shit is just utter trash to me though, I have no interest in playing persona or shimijama musha busha or whatever other trash anime rpgs that make up the majority of jap console exclusives.
bloodborne meme is a meme because it is literally the only thing that isn't a trash exclusive on the ps4 right now, and soon ps4 will have uncharted4 which is a western game.
>>336483462
EDF 4.1 can be more fun than BB at times
>>336483223
Priscilla's fluffy tail was one huge MGQ reference.
it would need to be shit to be a JRPG ie awful combat, awful plot, padding and ridiculous character designs with spiky hair
>>336483462
Sounds like you are just sour grapes about exclusives. Are you saying that if the games were on PC they would be good?
>>336477303
Dark Souls is like if someone made an entire game based on the sword fights you have against lizards and skeletons and darknuts in 3D zelda games
Of course it's a Japanese-inspired game
What would be a good substitute for the JRPG genre name?
>>336479678
This is the most racist (yes, you read that right) thing I've haerd all day
>dirty fuckin japs can't make anything without anime
>holy shit, this is so good and not anime, it can't be Japanese
More to the point, Anime is such a useless fucking buzzword in this context anyway. All of these shows are animated in Korea now, so what does it matter? I guess Justice League, Big Guy and Rusty the Boy Robot, and Men In Black: The Animated Series are "weeb shows" because DR Movie animated them as they also animated Kaiji, Hunter x Hunter, Cardcaptor Sakura, and what the fuck ever else Madhouse does. Would you faggots honestly compare Jonny Quest with Spongebob just because they're both American cartoons? Are you going to compare Wakfu and Asterix just because they are both French comedic fantasies? No? Then why the fuck are you comparing any given Japanese thing to to "anime" as a catchall term? Anime is quite varied anyway. I mean, shit, are you people going to claim that Shitcom and Naruto are the same thing just because Japanese guys came up with the idea?
>>336484046
>Of course it's a Japanese-inspired game
Most games are, the west crashed the game industry once, the japs revived and it's happening again. History is repeating it self.
>>336483020
>literally had to beg for
This is by far the most annoying meme on this board. PC owners are a market that gets excludes not from availability or a lack of consumer presence, but by a concerted effort on the part of console companies to strong arm and do their damndest to maintain a monopoly.
If you didn't read that right: You the consumer are not a part of this struggle at all. You are a number in a fat old Asian man's bank account.
The only "begging" you see is just ground level consumer advocacy as opposed to board meetings. Consoles are a united front, headed by single companies or groups interested in your money where PC lacks that governance.
All that should concern you is that all gamers deserve games. Platform competition is healthy. Sony, Nintendo, or Microsoft holding all the cards benefits nobody but the companies.
>>336481397
>jrpg
>gameplay
>>336484215
Westaboos are a thing man, and yes the majority of them are pretty racist. They think anything made in japan that is not anime is western cock sucking.
>>336484215
TRIGGERED
>>336484287
Boy oh boy Baldur's Gate and Elder Scrolls sure are top notch gameplay experiences.
Dank Souls is just a Diablo 1 clone.
>find weapon, can't wield it
>grind monsters until level up
>put points in stats
The only thing that is different is combat full of overpowered monsters but overall formula is the same, even story is told via characters talking random stuff just like in diablo 1.
>>336484413
That's not much of a rebuttal. All I said was that he has a racist way of thinking. Does it bother you that much that I used the "R" word?
>>336484287
webm related
>>336484514
Congratulations. You have cracked the "What is the classic action RPG formula?" code.
I suggest for your next trick you go back and check into which countries spearheaded the dungeon crawler genre.
>>336484287
Ys
Tales of
Star Ocean
Kingdom Hearts
>>336484218
More like 'Murica crashed the game industry once and the Japs and Euros revived it with Nintendo and computer games, respectively. History is repeating itself.
Dark Souls is not an anime game. No anime looks like Dark Souls.
WRPG = Western style RPG
JRPG = Japanese style RPG
Therefore Dark Souls is a WRPG
>>336484485
They are compared to your average anime role playing "game".
>>336484627
>>336484738
>implying JRPG doesn't infer an established style based on DQ/FF which occasional Japanese games defer from.
>>336485016
Even if we are going with what you said, dark souls is japanese, read the OP.
>>336484738
Never heard of them. Literally who cares? Nobody that matters.
Please post actual, real examples that count next time.
>>336485079
Moving those goalposts awfully hard mate.
More importantly, you do realize that Dragon Quest is directly inspired by Wizardry, right? The Japanese liked that game so much, they decided to make their own version.
>>336485146
So the only Japanese roleplaying game you know is Final Fantasy? If so, FF Type Zero and XV are action RPGs
>>336484690
I don't know and i don't care. All i see is that diablo came first, it's sequel evolved and made everything better, especially magic.
Dark Souls series have 3 games already and it's the same shit with little change. Even most enemies are the same and core mechanics don't change at all.
I think that everything japanese suffers from 'arr rook same' syndrome because if you saw one jrpg you saw them all.
>>336485129
it's not japanese style though
>>336484757
Except now, computer games don't exist anymore. They're exclusively Japanese console games these days.
>>336483224
Disgaea holds the title of "longest time before a game came to PC" in the Guiness book of world records. Look it up. And Shinovi Versus is going to be the ONLY SK game to EVER come to PC. Look at Esteval Versus' cover. Look at the top right corner. What does it say?
If the only thing PC can hold over consoles is debatably superior performance with debatably superior graphics only in shitty western multiplats, it's a fucking worthless platform.
>>336484962
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jbJsTj4BeZ0
>>336477303
Unfortunately, you thinking and analysis of what you dug up is flawed. JRPG and WRPG describe narrative styles.
Good effort though.
If I feel japanese then I'm japanese.
>>336485216
>Moving those goalposts awfully hard mate.
Didn't move them; that's exactly what I meant when I said "JRPG".
>>336484627
What the fuck is going on, hacks?
lol all this back and forth.
It's clear that the term JRPG is used to talk about turn-based anime looking games.
I don't like it either, especially since RPG is also used to refer to anything fantasy related where numbers are involved.
>>336485396
So, all JRPGs are Final Fantasy or Dragon Quest? That's rather restrictive. That's like saying that all western RPGs are Elder Scrolls and Baldur's Gate. How is that remotely fair? What about The Witcher? Vampire: The Masquerade? Ultima? Wasteland?
>>336485079
>They are compared to your average anime role playing "game".
You messed up your quotes. JRPGs do just fine with their game systems. They're not any better or worse, concerning potential, than the old top down turn based shit the west was pumping out before they all collectively decided RPG was synonymous with First Person Shooter. What JRPGs typically lack is "Role Playing."
But then you'd be revealing that you have no legs to stand on because RPGs are fucking dead in the west. You're all playing fucking poorly tuned and watered down first person shooters with stories as on rails as anything from Glorious Nippon.
>>336485274
>Except now, computer games don't exist anymore. They're exclusively Japanese console games these days.
what
>>336485570
>So, all JRPGs are Final Fantasy or Dragon Quest? That's rather restrictive. That's like saying that all western RPGs are Elder Scrolls and Baldur's Gate.
In the eyes of the normies that actually move the video game industry, yes, they are.
>>336485395
That's basically how gay people think, "I feel I'm from the opposite sex then I must be"
>thinking either "WRPGs" or "JRPGs" are RPGs
Role-playing games are games in which players assume the roles of fictional characters and collaboratively create stories. Players determine the actions of their characters based on their characterization, and the actions succeed or fail according to a system of rules and guidelines. Within the rules, players can improvise freely; their choices shape the direction and outcome of the games.
Dungeons & Dragons, the first commercially available role-playing game, was published in 1974 by Dave Arneson's and E. Gary Gygax's TSR. Though the bulk of D&D's elaborate ruleset was derived from miniature wargames (particularly Chainmail), it is important to realize that these rules were not the game's defining feature. D&D was about far more than stats and turn-based battles -- it was about characters, choices, and stories; it was about experiencing fantastical adventures through a brand-new kind of collaborative, improvisational storytelling. Players became at the same time script-writers and actors of their own roles; whereas a reader of a book or a viewer of a movie always remained a passive observer, a player at a D&D game was constantly called upon to make choices that propelled the action. Compared to the role-playing dimension of D&D, the stats and battles were only minor aspects.
Or at least they were supposed to be. Since TSR's writers and most of their earliest customers came from a wargaming background, official D&D modules (i.e. ready-made adventures) tended to focus on dungeon crawling and excessively time-consuming combat. But as the game exploded in popularity, and other companies began entering the field, the focus began to slowly shift. Later games such as White Wolf's Vampire: The Masquerade (1991) moved further away from role-playing's wargaming roots by emphasizing plot and character development over rules and combat, and the trend has continued apace ever since, with modern games such as Sorcerer (2002) (cont.)
>>336485232
>He thinks Diablo was an original idea.
I don't know whether I should just post a smug anime girl, a laughing marionette montage, or spoonfeed you a bit and post a pic of Gauntlet.
>>336485810
and Dogs in the Vineyard (2005) going as far as to adopt a so-called narrativist approach to role-playing (the goal of which is to promote the emergence of some kind of value-judgement through in-game events).
But though the rules and stats were clearly not the most important aspects of D&D and of the many other role-playing games that followed, they were still indispensable. This can be seen by considering that even live-action and freeform role-playing games (which make a point of de-emphasizing die rolls and rulebook references) find it hard to completely avoid them, often resorting to some form of rock-paper-scissors mechanic in order to resolve conflicts.
And the reason for this dependence on rules is simple. In RPGs rules are necessary in order to set up a framework, with the help of which the gamemaster can evaluate the players' actions and arrive at or decide on their consequences. Because even though the players' adventures often take place in wonderfully bizarre universes, these universes still have to make some kind of sense -- they still have to obey some sort of logic, otherwise players would quickly lose interest in adventures steered by a gamemaster based on nothing more than random whims. (Or perhaps some of them wouldn't, but it would take the likes of Haruki Murakami in the role of gamemaster to pull off something of the sort with any degree of success.)
The Western approach to CRPGs (or, An Exercise in Futility)
So the point of RPGs was never the tedious stat-recording and incessant battles -- indeed, the more creative gamemasters quickly discovered that all the calculations and dice-rolling often got in the way of the story, and acted accordingly to minimize it.
Yet from the very beginning of computer role-playing games (CRPGs) it was clear that the stat-recording and incessant battles were the only things that could possibly survive the transition to the electronic medium, and that nothing short of the invention of (cont.)
>>336485925
human-level artificial intelligence could change that. Because what could possibly be left of the idea of role-playing without an intelligent gamemaster to breathe life into the world surrounding the players? What chance would the players have to make decisions and act them out -- in other words, to role-play -- if they were denied the ability to express themselves, and if their actions were limited to inventory-management, battle tactics, and wandering around static maps? The quality of the RPG experience had from the very first depended on the ability, talent and dedication of the gamemaster, and some dumb computer program was indeed a pitiful substitute for a Gary Gygax or an Ed Greenwood.
All this was of course instantly recognized by the pioneers of CRPGs, who, being programmers, were well aware of the limitations of the primitive software engineering techniques available to them.
And so they focused on the stats and battles.
Within mere months from the publication of Dungeons & Dragons the first CRPGs began to appear. From crude efforts written by college students to run on university mainframe computers -- Rusty Rutherford's pedit5 (1974), Don Daglow's Dungeon (1975 or 1976), Gary Whisenhunt's and Ray Wood's cheekily-named dnd (1975) -- to the first commercially-available titles: Richard Garriott's Akalabeth (1980), Sir-Tech's Wizardry: Proving Grounds of the Mad Overlord (1981) and DynaMicro's Dungeons of Daggorath (1982); they were pure dungeon crawlers one and all. Containing absolutely no role-playing whatsoever, they were nothing more than simplistic strategy games, with the limited dungeon exploration aspect breaking up the otherwise monotonous business of directing endless battles. The quest to design a true computer role-playing game had seemingly been abandoned, before it had even begun.
(cont.)
>>336485613
>a bunch of old indie games
I wanted you to prove me wrong.
>>336486014
But since early D&D modules themselves consisted of little more besides dungeon crawling, the pioneers of CRPGs could at least claim that their games managed to capture to a degree the spirit of those early modules. The computer gaming world -- such as it was at the time -- could hardly be blamed for praising their efforts.
Unfortunately, those early efforts would end up setting the tone for all subsequent ones.
New games came and went, yet little of substance changed. The Bard's Tale (1985) featured unprecedented 3D graphics and animated monster portraits (eye-candy, in other words); Dungeon Master (1987) introduced real-time action; Pool of Radiance (1988) upped the ante in terms of the variety of locations and the scope of the story, while Eye of the Beholder (1990) had difficult puzzles -- all these were indeed well-made, enjoyable games, but they weren't fooling anyone. Because it was plain that they contained about as much role-playing as Super Mario Bros. or Duck Hunt.
For one thing, they all effectively required the player to assume control of a party of characters, something which immediately ruled out the possibility of any kind of role-playing (except perhaps for schizophrenics or those suffering from multiple personality disorder). For another, despite all the additions and refinements they boasted over their predecessors, none of them managed to get far beyond their strategy/wargaming roots. Character generation became more elaborate; sprawling towns and extensive outdoor locations were added; dungeons were spruced up -- but progression through the game still depended entirely on skillful inventory management and tactical thinking (both while directing battles and navigating dungeons). Only the more ambitious titles went as far as to include a handful of dialogue choices -- the better to trick the more naive players into believing they had some control over the development of the story.
>>336485343
Dear god that looks like India.
>>336486120
Before long, CRPGs had become something of a joke in the role-playing community, whereas in computer gaming circles the term "RPG" had been debased to a euphemism for a genre that contained a varying mixture of strategy, action, and adventure elements -- everything, that is to say, except role-playing.
It's worth taking a moment here to qualify this last statement. One can easily see that CRPGs contain elements of strategy and action, to varying degrees, but where does the adventuring element come from?
The adventure genre has hitherto encompassed all those games which allow the player to interact with the gameworld in ways more diverse than in those of pure reflex-based titles. In shooting/fighting/platform/racing games and the like, the player is usually limited to a few very specific kinds of actions, namely shooting/fighting/navigating platforms/racing, etc. But in adventure games -- whether purely text-based, graphical, or point-and-click -- the player is called upon to perform a much larger variety of actions, such as exploration, puzzle-solving, interaction with characters, etc. (That's why games like Silent Hill and Onimusha are sometimes referred to as action-adventure games: because there is a bit more to them than simply killing enemies.)
So, getting back to CRPGs, one needs to look at what remains after you deduct all the strategy elements, and once you do that you see that what is left is some form of "adventuring". You have to search for the key that unlocks the gate to the catacombs; you need to gather the necessary ingredients to cast the spell that will kill the dragon; you must track down the reclusive sage and convince him to reveal to you the location of the ancient ruins, etc. etc.
So CRPGs have always been -- and still are -- mostly games of strategy, with only occasional sprinklings of action and adventure, the exact formula of the mixture varying depending on the developer and the game in question.
>>336486283
But whatever the formula, the end result has never had much to do with role-playing -- one need only sit in for a few minutes at a Dogs in the Vineyard game in progress in order to realize this. For those used to equating hit points and levelling to role-playing, such an experience would prove truly eye-opening.
And here it's worth noting that even games like Fallout (1997) and Planescape: Torment (1999), as well as Bethesda's Elder Scrolls series, came nowhere near enough to be considered true RPGs -- though it has to be said that they at least tried harder than everything else.
But why are these games -- justly -- ranked among the finest CRPGs yet made?
Because by employing extensive dialogue trees in conjuction with multiple story paths, or simply by allowing the player more freedom in choosing the order in which to pursue the various quests, they were able to approximate to some small degree the feel of a true RPG -- to give players a little taste of what these games are all about. We are still talking about strategy games here; even in a title such as Arcanum: Of Steamworks and Magick Obscura (2001) you are still spending most of your time managing your characters' inventory, directing tactical battles and navigating dungeons -- all the instances of role-playing to be found in even the best-of-the-best CRPGs hardly ever amount to more than a few minutes in total. But those few minutes were enough to conjure an illusion of role-playing; to make one feel as if they played some part in steering the stories of these games towards their eventual outcomes. And the players loved them for it.
So yeah, we've pretty much already determined why JRPGs are dogshit, but let's not pretend that the "computer role playing games" that Americans make are anything like sitting down with your friends and playing Mage: The Awakening. I know most of you are two young and antisocial to understand this, but just look up someone playing that kind of game and compare.
>>336484962
>Being this young
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c1_6OdRBWds
>>336485248
How is it not japanese style?
>>336485274
>Sonygger arguing for Nippon
>uses Senran Kagura as a basis
>>336486438
No ones eyes are nearly that big in a souls game you weeaboo faggot
>>336486106
>"these days"
>"old"
>not vague terms
Okay how about one of the best selling games of 2015?
>>336486515
>>336486505
That's but one of the many Japanese games that are console exclusive. Let's go to PC'uck's most loved Jaoanese company, Sega. You know, the company that consistently ports old games to PC while consoles get all their newest and greatest games. Sega gives PC yet another Total War, yet another Soccer Manager, Dawn of War III which has been dumbed down to a MOBA like because PC is no longer a viable market, and the occasional port of a game older than the average PC user.
It brings a tear to my eye knowing that you will never get good games. :')
>>336486496
he likes it, so it's not allowed to be
>>336486515
>What is stylized, expressive faces? I don't even.
>On the topic of not even, how do I into tone? What do?
>>336480120
your weebiness is making me cringe
>>336486825
You just proved him right brah..
>>336486825
Those eyes are tiny you retard
>>336485776
Nice bait m8, rate 8/8.
>>336486906
>It brings a tear to my eye knowing that you will never get good games. :')
You mean like Senran Kagura?
So what's the point of this thread? The game relies heavily on western influences for its fantasy world and it's created by Japanese people. It's clearly a WRPG with its combat, linear story, and setting. No one calls The Last Airbender anime and it was created in the west.
Are weebs really this territorial? Are they slowly realizing that 2,000 year old ancient dragons in the form of an 8 year old girl isn't such a great setting anymore? Can the honorabruu japanese game devs not make Souls-like RPG set in some samurai era with big-titted kunoichis as hollows? Or does a game with as dark of a theme as Dark Souls need something as mature as a medieval fantasy setting?
JRPG isn't any RPG made in Japan, it's established as games like Final Fantasy, Dragon Quest, Suikoden, Paper Mario series (used to be), Chrono Trigger, and so on.
Those games aren't remotely similar to Dark Souls
>>336483645
You're delusional m8
>>336477303
Its just bothers me there is a diference between j and w if the games are identical. It sounds like a separatist argument.
I will always refer to jrpg as the likes of Final Fantasy and Lost Odyssey. Never to Dark Souls or Dragon's Dogma.
>>336487354
the separatist argument is saying it's not a JRPG.
JRPG has become an insult, using it to say a game is somehow bad and using stereotypes that don't even exist, like the majority being turn-based or a high school setting.
>>336487132
not him but how do you know that? there is such a thing as animal with multiple kinds of eyes
>>336487232
>combat
Reread the OP and apply yourself.
>>336487354
>i'll always call flowers dogs because i want to.
Just don't complain when people call you a retard.
>>336487232
>No one calls The Last Airbender anime
Bullshit, I know a lot of people that do that. Kappa Mikey is also an anime
>>336487610
>JRPG has become an insult
Not that anon, but the JRPG moniker defines those kind of games well.
Dark Souls is more of an action RPG, a game with heavy emphasis on combat and gameplay. Those games like Final Fantasy have more focus on story, characters in a party and their combat is pretty shit most of the times.
People who want something like Souls games won't be necessarily hyped about FF XV because they play like two different genres.
>>336487232
>it's clearly a WRPG based on its combat
But it can't be because the combat is good.
>>336486906
>>336486106
>XCOM 2
>The Binding of Isaac: Rebirth
>Unreal Tournament 4
>Antichamber
>Downwell
>Gunpoint
>Pillars of Eternity
>Spelunky
>Risk of Rain
>Rogue Legacy
>Darkest Dungeon
>Super Hot
>Broforce
>Brothers: A Tale of Two Sons
>Dust: An Elysium Tale
>The Consuming Shadow
>Wasteland 2
>The Legend of Grimrock 2
>E.Y.E. Divine Cybermancy
Wow look at all those no games!
>>336488030
But souls combat is shit too.
>>336488030
what people think when talking about JRPG is highschool setting with sex and a retarded story, clear sign that people who say JRPG are just retards using it as an insult.
People who play "JRPGs" just call it an RPG and thats it.
>>336488136
Oh, can't forget pic related.
>>336488030
>their combat is pretty shit most of the times
try harder
>>336488136
i can play that with my laptop
>>336482512
Nice false flag, but all the Dark Souls games are available on PC and Dragon's Dogma released this year on PC, keep crying consolefag.
>>336477303
Games like Tower of Druaga and Dragon Slayer evolved into Zelda and the like. JRPGs are more of a separate branch loosely based on D&D that came afterwards
>>336488621
A laptop is a computer, buckaroo.
>>336488621
So? I know lots of Sonyggers that don't use computers at all.
>>336485810
>>336485925
>>336486014
>>336486120
>>336486283
Did you type all of this or just copied fron sonewhere? That's fucking unnecessary.
Either way, the label is clearly misused since you pretty much are playing a role in almost every game in existance, making all of them, if you follow the word by the letter, they'd all be called RPGs.
The actual definition is mostly relating to the use of chatacter stats and/or equipment that is relevant enough to affect the outcome of their choices and whose improvements and changes happen through the game as the player makes progress. That is directly related to rule systems and in fact half of what most of them are, the other being the setting which is irrelevant here.
In fact, the only thing those games do lack is the capability to adapt to players choices, it's technically impossible to foresee all a player will try to do, so they try, to their best, allow you to act within their boundaries to interact and develop a character to your liking. But as multiplayer online games prove, those limitations only take place because you can't make programs complex enough.
Also, for OP, J and W should always have been about location, if you say japanese RPG the term is supposed to fucking say to someone new to the subject that it's an RPG from japan.
>>336487679
>One company, single-handedly created this combat so every game after it must've taken influence from it!
>It has nothing to do with the Japanese consumers as a whole abandoning it and settling with the traditional turn-based JRPG we know and love today!
>You can literally go on the street right now and ask any normie how Dragon Slayer has affected their enjoyment of Skyrim!
Incredibly typical that japs would go "Ahwee maddeitu fahristu." and claim they're the pioneers. Ultima Online was the influence behind the Elder Scrolls series. Fucking Paul Neurath wanted to see where he could go with his crazy hare-brained "RPG/Real-time elements" idea that eventually spawned the casual trash like Skyrim being the staple of what a WRPG is in 2016. Now the Japs want to dickride on western success because everything they literally own there has stagnated and is riddled with pedophilia.
>>336477303
All roleplaying games originate from DnD which was largely inspired by Tolkien who was inspired by Anglo Saxon mythology.
>>336488696
>mfw PC's most anticipated game of 2016 is a fucking port of a 4 year old game
No relevant platform would have to wait four years to get a game. But because PC is such a non-relevant entity to the Japanese, waiting years to port a game (after they made back their original development cost on consoles) is the only way the Japanese operate. They aren't stupid.
>>336488879
I mean Ultima Underworld, not Ultima Online...
>>336489010
>PC's most anticipated game
I'm not sure how anybody would think Dark Souls isn't a JRPG.
>Made in Japan by the Japanese
>Mostly focused on Gameplay with the story being an excuse to kill shit
>Linear progression
>No choices
>Fun
>>336489010
I don't even know what game you're talking about, man.
>>336487640
HOLY SHIT
>>336477303
I know it's shallow but being japanese is the only reason I brought it. I actually don't enjoy the souls games. I beat the first three bosses in demons and gave up. It feels like it's this generations castlevania except it punishes you more. I normally don't buy western games (I don't think I own any).
>>336487070
I'm right, you know. The fact that you have to latch on to a completely foreign culture and project yourself onto it is just pathetic.
>>336487232
>avatar isn't an anime because it was made in west
>DaS is an WRPG even if it wasn't made in the west
>>336486505
EV is a good game. So is the new Nep. The new Atelier is good too.
Cute girls and good games are not mutually exclusive like you think they are.
Now that the dust has settled, is there even any reason why you should own a PC? All the good games come to PlayStation consoles, and they also get the same shitty western multiplats that PCfags live by.
>but muh performance
Bloodborne barely maintains 30FPS, yet it's the best game of 2015 hands down.
>but witcher won GotY!
And? PS4 also has the Witcher.
>>336489662
Souls really doesn't punish you much
>>336490857
>needing to quell your thirst for quality games with shitty indie games
I bet you'd call all those Japanese games the PS4 gets garbage as well. Why can't I call your shirty western indies garbage?
>>336488826
What role do you play in Tetris?
>>336488801
I binding of Issac a JRPG? I mean, it pretty much is mostly LoZ dungeons.
>>336489778
>The fact that you have to latch on to a completely foreign culture and project yourself onto it
>coming from the weeb
>>336489662
weeaboo weeaboo weeaboo!
>>336491037
>Transistor
>Unreal Tournament 4
>Legend of Grimrock 2
>XCOM 2
>shitty indie games
Anon...
>>336491037
>I haven't played any of those games but let me call them shit anyway since budget = quality
Have fun with the latest Square/Enix movie.
>>336491435
I'm not convincing myself things that are Japanese are actually not Japanese but part of my own culture though. You seem more like the closet weeb yourself.
>I want this Japanese thing to be western so I could enjoy japanese stuff without the stigma of being called out a weeb
fucking. pathetic.
>>336491037
>there are no computer games
>there are no computer games that a weebtard like me who conflates game budgets with game quality would like
>>336491463
>>336491597
>free-to-plays
>sequels
>indie-shit
>consolized garbage
At least the games the PS4 gets are actual, REAL games. Japanese games are timeless, no one will be talking about EITHER of those games a year from now.
>>336491443
I don't care. I just want to play games where I can grind and listen to good osts.
>>336491909
HAH, there is literally nothing original about japanese releases this year and the only reason anyone will be talking about them is lamenting that they're so inferior to their predecessors
that said there is something hilarious that jrpg's are so often turn based and yet its only western games that actually do turn based combat justice
>>336491605
Nah senpai nice try though. I couldn't care less, I just saw the comment and thought it was ironic
>>336491909
>It's not a REAL game unless it's backed by multiple Nipponese megaconglomerates!
Please stop playing video games. You clearly don't understand what makes a game good.
Also which fucking game from that list is "consolized"? Go on, I'm waiting.
>>336491909
>no one will be talking about EITHER of those games a year from now.
People are still talking about Unreal Tournament 1999, you fucking idiot.
>>336492106
why not go do a job where you can keep earphones on?
just as fun as grinding, better music AND you're getting paid for it
>>336491158
Pretty sure I said almost.
>>336492351
>I couldn't care less
>implying
>claiming to see irony within my post when your post itself is loaded with irony
>>336491158
Binding of Isaac is influenced by the roguelike genre a most decidedly western one
Dark Souls is an ARPG you retards
>>336477303
It's because of retards who are so anti-anime yet spend all day on 4chan that that's even a thing. They don't want to admit that Japanese games are behind everything they enjoy today.
>>336492796
It's a JARPG
>>336492598
It is literally a Legend of Zelda clone. Which was an Adventure clone.
>>336492402
Real life grinding involve social interaction and no cute anime girls
>>336492843
It is a Japanese ARPG
>>336492860
work in a cubicle, get cute anime posters, disregard coworkers
>>336492402
I have job. It's where I get the income to buy games. I listen to video game osts all the time there.
>>336492903
JARPG
>>336479878
This.
>>336492926
yeh but grinding is literally anti-fun
if you're just playing a game that's good, but if you want to grind instead of playing a game, just do a job or if you don't want to do a job go jogging or so
>>336492923can I have sex with the posters?
>he classifies RPGs into JRPGs and WRPGs
>he doesn't classify RPGs based on the structure of the game, such as ARPG, CRPG, and SRPG
>he thinks that since Dragon Quest, Dark Souls, and Fire Emblem are all role playing games from Japan, they all fit under the same umbrella
This shouldn't be happening in the current year.
>>336479678
that's like saying Silent Hill is a western game when the west didn't even make a single similar game in the first place
like half of the anime styled rpgs have euromedieval setting and characters and shittons of japanese game have realistic artstyle, they started exploiting this artstyle way before the west did.
Dark Souls doesn't even have anything that's special to western rpgs like being able to chose from different lines when speaking that someway can affect the how the game goes.
>>336488912
/thread
Still jrpgs are better
>>336493864
>>336488912
Even the creators of dragon quest state this
>>336493149
I find it fun. Getting stronger by putting in more time. Sounds like real life? I understand most don't have to patience for it nowadays but I like it. Playing Bravely second now and grinding to level up jobs and find good job skill combinations is why I love this genre.
>>336494084
for me its not about not having time its about well, when I'm grinding I could be playing one of the other games without grinding
after all nobody has the time to play every single game
>>336479678
>skyrim has katanas in it
>it must be a JRPG
>>336494167
I can respect that.
>>336484328
I guess if they saw Record of Lodoss War they would have an identity crisis.
It's been well known that most "jRPGs have very DnD esque roots. Hell, most Japanese writers, like Nasu, to name one person solidly in the "anime" demographic, take several AD&D and western tabletop references to their works).
In the end, it doesn't matter and the only ones who complain about something being too "anime" only watched Adult Swim as a kid and only knows Dragonball.
Knew a guy who regularly heads a Final Fantasy podcast and vehemently hates anything remotely "anime-like", it's bizarre. He prefers the cast for Type 0's english dub over the Japanese, his hate is that strong.
It's absolutely nonsensical, but it's been around forever.
>>336491909
>Japanese games are timeless
So why does no one play King of Fighters 96 or vanilla Street Fighter Zero anymore?
>>336493551
This. What the fuck is going on?
>>336493551
this.
rpgs from japan are jrpgs. even if the concepts are "western" there aren't many cases in which the game isn't very identifiable as japanese. souls is one such game which is very obviously japanese through its aesthetic, mechanics, design, presentation, etc. but it's really not a useful classification anyhow. better to use arpg, crpg, srpg, and perhaps say where the game is from.
>>336477303
Is that... Len with tits?
>>336477303
Dark Souls is not an RPG to begin with.
>>336477303
Dark Souls is not a real JRPG
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u4H5vFq10DU
>>336488826
It's a copy pasta by the guy at the bottom.
This is literally is the root problem with millennials in general. JRPG means Japanese Role Playing Game. But millennials having this definition in their head that JRPG doesn't mean an RPGfrom Japan, but RPGs that share characteristic of what they preserve to be Japanese. They will always argue for their perception is fact and reality doesn't matter.
Pic related. You can just do a quick google image search to find a bunch more of these. There is a bunch of Japanese influence in the Souls games, it is just you are ignorant of it all.
>>336486825
>>336486825
>>336487640
>>336499551
meant to >>336499132
>>336499690
>it is not an insect
>the sound it makes is closer to the sound of frogs
>he still thinks those are eyes
Hey if i were you i'd be ashamed to admit how retarded i was too you know.
>>336487714
You mean to say j-dogs and w-dogs.
>>336499092
>Japanese influence
>by a manga with a bunch of medieval European inspired setting
We're just running around in circles
>>336499916
what kind of frog has "sound chambers" above its eyes?
>>336479678
>Just because it's made in Japan, doesn't mean that it's japanese.
I... uh, fuck it.
>go to an Italian restaurant in New York
>REEE THIS ISN'T ITALIAN FOOD, IT'S MADE IN AMERICA!
>go to a Chinese takeaway in London
>REE THIS ISN'T CHINESE FOOD, IT'S ENGLISH FOOD!
>>336500296
No we aren't, you are just in some strong denial. I mean are you saying that Berzerk isn't a manga? According to your logic since it has heavy western influence, it can be considered a western comic.
>>336479678
>Just because it's made in Japan, doesn't mean that it's japanese.
Please stop using the term "RPG" for action/adventure/linear shitfest/visual novel/dating sim/FPS (any or all of these, Dank Souls being action/adventure Artificial Difficulty shitfest) garbage.
THIS is an RPG.
>>336500504
>food analogies
lmao
>>336500581
What the fuck are you even talking about? I'm not denying anything, just saying Berserk was also heavily influenced by western mythos and history.
>>336500394
>what kind of frog has "sound chambers" above its eyes?
The one spitting gas that turns you into stone?
Or the one in my picture?
>>336500772
You're the one trying to say that we are going in circles when I believe it is conclusive. So what the fuck are you talking about? Maybe you don't know what the phrase "running around in circles" means?
How the fuck do you literally infer that wiki statement to be fact that the japanese created ARPG?
Dunjonquest was the first ARPG proper especially with Gateway to Apshai and the series came out way earlier than japanese made RPG.
>>336501002
That's what we're doing. Because your original post was that fucking retarded.
>>336477303
Dark Souls isn't an RPG, it has no roleplaying mechanics, casualised lock-on combat, no worthwhile dialogue or conflicting paths or meaningful choices, it is also linear.
If you want an RPG play Oblivion. There are no good weeb games.
>>336498398
saved
>>336500609
Stop using the term RPG for shitty video based TRPG rip offs.
>>336501241
>If you want an RPG play Oblivion.
>>336500609
By your logic, this is also an RPG. Since it directly copied Ultima.
>>336502005
Oblivion is an RPG though
>>336501241
>Dark Souls isn't an RPG, it has no roleplaying mechanics
RPG is such a watered down term these days, it basically means any game with stat based progression. And while you may get mad at it, the companies who make the games are the ones who agreed on the designation. Most people will follow what the company said rather than an angry anonymous on the internet.
>>336502260
But not a good one.
>>336502260
so is call of duty multiplayer. it has stats.
