not saying this is going to be GOTY or anything but, how do you guys not think this at least looks fun ?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LNdx4fdqhhc
>>336453546
It looks totally generic and panders to 14 year olds who are going to find the glory kills totally "dope"
I don´t think I´m the target audience of the game
>>336453781
maybe not but in terms of being a doom game it looks like it ticks a lot of boxes, especially compared to doom 3
if you take out glory kills how could this game be any more doom like than it already is ?
Doesn't look half bad
>>336453546
Why is this game being showcased so much on PS4?
>>336453546
They made that actually look fun.
>>336453781
>It looks generic
But it's Doom. It kinda has to be generic in order to be true to the series.
>>336453546
Will the campaign be playable in co-op? Looks fun with a friend. Reminds me a bit of the Serious Sam days.
>>336453872
Yes. They would have to remove the shitty upgrades, the weapon wheel, significantly increase the amount of enemies, have levels with tighter corridors and more ambushes instead of open arenas. Then all that's left is good level design.
>>336454136
I think so
>>336454169
Isn't the weapon wheel a console only thing?
>>336454169
Are you asking for Doom 3 or Doom
an there's already more than enough enemies on screen, in some other footage dude got overwhelmed to the point he had to use the BFG to clear house, and these are just on average difficulty
>>336453546
Looks like a generic as fuck ayylmao shooter that's trying as hard as possible to throw back to actual doom for relevance
>>336453872
>how could this game be any more doom like
For one, and this is judging by the videos I´ve seen so far, challange.
In every video the enemies were there pretty much only to look cool and act as walking shooting targets.
Gameplay also seems slower than the early dooms, but that´s a thing that 3 started I guess (which already wasn´t that great of a game imo).
>>336453546
Campaign might be fun. Worth a pirate.
Multiplayer was garbage.
>tfw Blackroom will be shit
I want to have hope /v/ but I knew all was lost the second I saw Randy Pitchford
The only real difference between this and Original Doom is that Doom 4 focuses on contained arenas for its levels while Original focuses more on puzzle/navigation.
>>336454258
I am asking for Doom. The best areas were filled with interesting hand crafted encounters and tight hallways. It wasn't just big open areas filled with monsters until the later areas and Doom 2 which were just kinda shitty. Link to video where the guy got overwhelmed. From everything I've seen the player's fighting maybe 5 or 6 tougher enemies at a time, which isn't even on par with Doom 64. Having a shit ton low HP hitscan enemies helps make the combat more frantic in a way tanky enemies cannot.
>>336454465
>>336454481
>Link to video where the guy got overwhelmed.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xjoRosqiOV8
I also think alotta people forget the factor of difficulty levels, most footage is shot on Hurt Me Plenty so if you're used to UV level mayhem then obviously things will look a little too easy and bland.
>>336454234
Pretty sure thats what the devs said during that stream of the single player yeah, it was designed just for the console users to keep the pace up because KBM users on PC can just mousewheel or hit numbers
>>336454349
Everybody WANTS it to be as much like classic doom as possible though, they tried something different with 3 and everyone hated it lol
Looks fun tbqh. I expected much worse from Bethesda.
>>336454169
all the upgrades and brutal doom kills etc are entirely optional also. You can turn off all the indicators for them also.
>>336453781
>after writing his post, Anon then booted his wii U to play Splatoon, a real game that doesn't pander to 14 years olds.
This is the first footage that looked good to me.
It looks frickin awesome! I mean c'mon, it's Doom! Blast from the past!
>>336454612
That's exactly what I mean though. The part shown in the video had like 2 Mancubus, 2-3 Revenants and a couple of Pinky Demons. Besides the fact that it's still pretty low numbers, where are all the imps and zombies? Oh yeah, the imps are now tiny and fast so they cannot be methodically placed next to other monsters to give the encounters that hand crafted, frantic feel.
>>336454450
Just wait for the gameplay demo
>>336454848
They're only optional in the sense that you can gimp yourself and not use them. Also the developers mentioned that exploration is rewarded with upgrade points.
>>336453546
>>336455241
I plan on playing on UV/Nightmare from the start so I have no problem with upgrades, by the looks of the Hard mode footage you can die stupidly fast
>>336453546
FPS designed for consoles, nothing to see here.
>>336453546
i was all hyped and shit till i found out that it's only
15
hours
long
>>336455130
The game has a sort of AI director that spawns monsters at random to supplement manual placements, so I guess your gripe lies within that.
But in all honesty, we can only really know the games true merits once we play it ourselves, I'm cautiously optimistic.
>>336453546
is there a reason the mobs just stand there and ignore the player while getting shot. is this on baby mode?
>>336455241
So? It's still entirely optional if you're one of the people upset by it being there
>>336455354
>people will pay $60+ for 15hrs of game play
>>336454937
The last console I bought was a PS3, after that I switched to PC.
Also splatoon at least has interesting game play mechanics and an actual art style.
>>336455472
>map editor is free and universal platform
>PC autists can make their complex supermaps and everyone on every platform can play them
Worth at least $30 desu
>>336455465
It's not "entirely optional" if it removes incentive from exploration by giving you rewards which you cannot use.
>>336455472
$99.99 for the deluxe edition
Can you stop with Doom shilling please? I didn't give a fuck about the game first but now i`m starting to hate it.
>>336455354
That's like twice as long as Prey.
No but seriously, 15 hours for an fps is pretty decent. Especially since the online part is as equally important as the solo part
>>336455564
You're just choosing not to use them for whatever reason, who cares.
I personally want to see what sort of combos they come up with, the upgrades and mods are only there as a compromise for new weapons without gimping the Weapon Wheel
>>336455549
>map editor is as base line as it gets
>can't carry guns over to diffrent maps in a map pack
>can only use Doom assets
>linear map design
>4 second takedown kills
>weapon wheel
>slow movement
>washed out red/brown everywhere
>all guns feel like peashooters
>emphasis on multiplayer
Singleplayer will be a forgettable 6/10 at best
I wouldn't mind so much if this was its own game, but the fact it has Doom stapled to it means I'm going to judge it compared to the series best entry. It's not small feat to try and make a game that has to both live up to and improve its predecessor but Bethseda have not come close to either. Put in all the old sfx and "Rip and Tear" achievements you like. The game still looks and controls like garbage. Some people have the ME3 ending and MML 3 to be forever angry about. D44M will be mine.
>>336453546
Singleplayer looks solid.
Multiplayer is fucking shit.
>>336455631
Anyone who likes exploring but dislikes upgrades cares, because there is no way of fully enjoying exploration while not using upgrades. Meaning it's not actually optional.
>>336455682
Why be mad about Doom4 when Classic Doom is still alive and well
you guys are acting like its going to magically dissapear or something
15
hours
LONG
>>336455742
rest in peace then, theres still more than enough ammo and armor for you to hunt
>>336453546
>mfw they give MP demo instead SP
what a blunder, the preorder must be plumetting. Now they suddenly give SP game footage everywhere to save it.
>>336453546
Man that new Call of Duty looks hella sweet.
Don't know why they went with demons instead of russians though. Lol.See where I am going with this?
>>336455918
Yea, you never played CoD
![8vdPIU0[1].png](https://i.imgur.com/7oZGM7g.png "8vdPIU0[1].png")
How hard is it to make a modern day Return to Castle Woflenstein
I mean that game was THE high point of FPS games. Just add graphics and copy everything else.
Instead we got this.
>>336455339
Funny thing is original doom could be perfectly played on consoles without losing any of it's merit
>>336455773
>*plays on the easiest difficult*
>*spergs on youtube about it*
Fucking e-cucks
>>336455564
That doesn't make it any less optional lmao
>>336455547
Knew it. I want neo/v/ to leave.
I still remember the days when we used to discuss quake 3 and ut99. They days when the board wasn't flooded by casualfags and manchildren
>>336455765
Because I fucking love Doom. It might just be my favorite game to boot up whenever I just want to unwind. So to see it become everything I hate in a reboot is sort of similar to the feeling of seeing your daughter become a crack whore. And your the only one noticing it while everyone around you is clapping and congratulating her.
If I always took /v/s advice on what's shit and what's not, I probably wouldn't be playng any vidya because they're all shit for one reason or another.
Normie, too hard, too easy, too broken, too short, SJW-pandering, targeted to children, casual, overhyped, underwhelming, hollow, too political, no story, too much story, lame protagonist, lame antagonist, too christian, too vodoo, not enough nudity, too much nudity, unwanted nudity, pointless nudity... YOU FUCKING NAME IT.
If I always listened to you guys I'd be in a basement grinding the not so well built clit that was a product of my botched sex change op while watching my recently revived great-grandfather's colon through a reality enhancing endoscope.
Holy fucking hell, buy it if you want or don't, who gives a fuck?
>>336455765
People will pretend they like doom when what they like is doom4. And we'll be forced to have those awkward atwork conversations with THAT ONE FAGGOT who is always at every job who CANNOT SHUT THE FUCK UP about video games and his shit taste
>>336456072
Are you retarded? Of course it makes it less optional. It's like saying that all weapons in Doom 1-2 are optional just because you have the choice to not use them.
>>336456147
you're just being a drama queen desu
dosent look anywhere near as bad as people are making it out to be
>>336455472
>>336455354
source?
>>336455765
funnily enough, Duke3D has dissapeared due to gearbox shittery.
Looks pretty cool. The only thing that annoys me are the weapon sounds. Why are they so weak? Even with the added vibration on consoles. What were they thinking?
>>336454543
kek
>>336454543
So what? Why is everyone bashing the pinata system? It makes sense to reward the player for killing stuff.
>>336456223
But that's what optional means, I'm even going to be using the upgrades for weapons and shit because they look fun. All I had said was they're optional, for the people who don't want to use them. People complaining about it stunting exploration but they put in a whole system of upgrades so people had shit to find and they're also mad about that system, I don't know what people wanted from this game
Watching FPS games being played with a controller is somewhat unimpressive, turning is so slow. I suppose it should be a reasonably entertaining game, but then again what do I know about Doom, I never bothered with the franchise.I'm more of a Serious Sam guy so maybe this franchise isn't my kinda thing
This kinda looks like someone read that one Doom comic and decided they wanted to make a game out of it.
>>336456550
The entire point is that the upgrades system sucks. The defense is that it's optional and you can just not use it. But if not using it means that it negatively affects other elements of the game, then it's not truly optional is it now?
>>336456578
If you like Serious Sam, D44M should be right up your ally. And before Sam 4 comes out ill take this as a filler to pass the time.
>>336456550
>I don't know what people wanted from this game
They want a remake of Doom for some retarded reason, when that game has already proved itself to be immortal.
I'm actually glad the Doom 4 guys are trying to put their own spin on things, just like how they did with Doom 3. Try out new stuff and see what sticks, we already know the first game was good so lets see what else can happen.
>>336456245
How much do you earn per post
>>336456721
14.99 plus tip
>>336455861
Console players are ecstatic about this. IT'S LIKE BRUTAL DOOM BUT FOR HARDCORE GAMERS SUCH AS MYSELF.
It doesn't matter if the only addicting part of the mp is the progression system. It ticks all the boxes that a HARDCOREGAMER looks for when he hears Doom.
>>336454848
>>336455465
We've been over this a million times you retards. The melee cutscenes are NOT optional. They give you more ammo and health than killing the demon normally would, plus any other kind of kill would cost ammo, melee doesn't cost ammo. Stop saying it's optional when the game is literally designed around it.
There's an expansion of this in form of the chainsaw: The chainsaw is a one-hit kill on EVERYTHING and it has its own "ammo" aka fuel separate from other weapons. When you kill a small demon with the chainsaw it gives you a lot of regular ammo at the expense of little fuel. Or you can use the chainsaw to kill the bigger demons which costs more (or all) fuel and afaik gives you less ammo.
Melee cutscenes are your main way of getting ammo in this game, with regular cutscenes being used for free, ideally as often as possible. The chainsaw is a tradeoff deal, regular "glory kills" are not - there is NO reason NOT to use glory kill every chance you get. It would be stupid not to do it.
>>336456129
you know you can like different things, right?
I also played a lot of quake 3 back in the day and still play ut99 every now and then, but that doesn´t mean I have to restrict my self to arena shooters almost two decades old.
The casualfags and manchildren you complain about are nothing compared to your elitist attitude.
If you can´t handle people enjoying newer games and wanting to talk about them go to /vr/ you´ll fit right in
>>336456812
dropped. better luck next time zenimax.
>>336456812
You're lying about executions because there are instances where the executions gave nothing and sometimes just killing the monster regularly gave a little health.
The Chainsaw has its own balance so it isnt spammed
>>336455682
>MML 3
?
>>336456641
Yes
>>336456812
Did you play the game yet? There seem to be pickups aside from the pinata stuff. Also gibing enemies with any firearm also triggers the drops.
>>336453546
Kind of looks like bad, single player killing floor fammy
People are really getting triggered over their misunderstanding of the word optional
>>336457000
>there are instances where the executions gave nothing and sometimes just killing the monster regularly gave a little health
How would you even know this? You'd have to run the exact same level, same monsters (might not even be possible if they're using procedural AI placement like SnapMap does in singleplayer) and then test both ways. Are you a playtester at id?
>>336457035
>There seem to be pickups aside from the pinata stuff.
True and irrelevant.
>gibing enemies with any firearm also triggers the drops
You get item drops on practically every kill, no matter what. But the devs themselves have said that "glory kills" net you MORE items.
It looks like the best FPS game we're getting this year, which is kinda sad
>>336457550
>How would you even know this?
its called watching the footage
>>336457010
Literally first google result
>>336457586
There is footage of the exact same NPC being killed, once with weapon, once with melee?
>>336457550
Don't care. This still looks like a solid 8/10 to shorten the wait for Shadow Warrior 2 and Serious Sam 4.
>True and irrelevant.
Not irrelevant if the pickups are sufficient enough for player to ignore glory kills.
>>336453546
how much do you guys get paid per post? This job seems pretty fucking easy
>three slow enemies
>this music
this looks a lot worse than cod desu
>>336457664
>Serious Sam 4
do we have any info besides: "they are making it"?
>>336457756
Nope, but that's enough for me to take comfort in. Croteam are incapable of making a bad game. I even liked Sam 2.
>>336457591
what to be mad about? games get canceled all the time
>>336457664
>sufficient enough
You're still gimping yourself. The game is still built around the mechanic, even if you can get away with ignoring it. And if they did their job right then you'll need to use melee on higher difficulty. The game would have to be easy to still be possible while ignoring a big source of ammo and health.
>>336456129
Please then, tell us all about your "manly" games of today you fucking edgy fag.
>>336457653
Not sure why you're going in that direction, but any extended footage will show you that neither normal kills or executions are grantees for bonuses. The chance is most likely significantly lessened on higher difficulties too.
>>336457756
I think the last news we got that they were making it is the announcement they made sometime last year that they had hired a writer
>>336457712
>implying I want competition
Eat your fucking hamburgers, Appolo
>>336457921
Yeah, but enemies drop shit regardless of melee kills. Also since the game seems to be 100% projectile based, there is literally no need for you to ever pick up health if you git gud. Ammo could indeed be a problem, but we'll have to see how it works out.
Can someone summarise why people are sperging out about this game?
It looks like mindless doom fun in 3D. What am I missing here?
>>336458269
Good taste
>>336458180
The guy who wrote Talos is also writing this. Serious Sam 4 with a well written story that actually conveys someseriousthemes could be interesting. I love me some over the top action paired with a serious story, like MGR.
>>336458269
The fear that the game will be balanced around glory kills and that player who choose to opt out will be left starving for ammo and health.
>>336458326
So it's just a bunch of nostalgiafags yelling at clouds again. Gotcha.
>>336458371
I hated Talos Principle's writing, it was so preachy and self important
Every time that scientist lady spoke I felt like throwing up, it was that pretentious
>>336456524
Retard
>>336458436
>player who choose to opt out will be left starving for ammo and health.
That could easily enough happen in Vanilla Doom, git gud perhaps?
>>336458436
>The fear that the game will be balanced around glory kills
Oh is that it?
That's a pretty small gripe, assuming they don't go full retard with it.
>>336454132
>Doom
>Generic
>>336458562
>implying there's much of a difference between doom and wolfenstein 3d
ok m8
>>336458534
That happened because the level designers wanted it to happen, not because the player decided to play the game in a way it wasn't intended because they dislike one of its main mechanics.
>>336453546
just dropping this off here
>>336458654
Nope. If you dont know how to economize your shots and choose essential targets you're going to run through your resources whether the devs intended or not.
>>336458654
What's the problem with glory kills assuming it's balanced?
>>336453546
>no ads
>no cover
>can't aim
Get with the times, people!! The game looks like shit.
>>336458829
Nothing. Their idea is
>it wasnt in original doom so it shouldnt be there
Neither was that fucking flashlight in Doom 3, but we all put up with it
>>336458510
>not liking based Alexandra Drennan
Also I don't see how the game as preachy in any way. I never finished it because the last few puzzles kicked my ass, but I found the writing to be refreshingly meta and post modern in a good way. Arguing philosophy with the text terminal was pretty entertaining.
>>336458829
They don't like having to execute a prebaked cut-scene every 5 seconds.
>>336453546
doom is supposed to be a dark game right?
this shit looks like its for 13 year olds.
I remember playing doom 1 for the first time and actually being scared to fall asleep. This shit is not what doom is. its just a cash out
>>336459150
>doom is supposed to be a dark game right?
for kids, maybe
>>336459150
>I remember playing doom 1 for the first time and actually being scared to fall asleep
Yeah and you were also younger then idiot.
>>336459150
Doom was never meant to be scary, it's supposed to be the wet dream of a bunch of dorks in the 90s who loved DnD and metal.
>>336458829
It's unnecessary, it's repetitive, it slows down the pace of the game and it makes no sense. It only exists for trailers and 12 year olds.
>>336459374
MGR already proved such mechanics are only as repetitive and slow as you want them to, stop talking shit
>>336459323
Oh yeah, dark hallways with flickering lights, distant monster growls and even setpieces meant to startle people (that area in E1M3 where the lights go off) were there for no reason, right? Doom was always meant to have a lot of horror elements. It just wasn't exclusively horror.
>>336459470
I pretty much relied on zendadzus, tho.
>>336454450
I know he loves gas station shit and that's fine, but he needs to get a shirt that fits properly.
>>336459470
Except that's exactly what it was in MGR, repetitive and slow. All the parrying and zandatsu got old after the second mission. Would have been sooner if the animation wasn't so satisfying.
>>336453546
I don't know. Felt boring to watch. I can't put my finger on what I think is wrong though
>>336459839
Weapons feel weak, thats about it. Especially the machine gun and the single barrel shotgun.
>>336459283
well no shit dingus.
But doom 1 theme is a lot darker then this shit. Even doom 3 follows that theme.
>>336455263
can't see shit captain
>>336455263
>that DoF on the lower pic
True Next-Gen right there!
>>336459839
Playing on easy mode perhaps.
>>336453546
This looks like pure slowpaced GARBAGE compared to the recent 15 minute of shadow warrior 2 gameplay.
They destroyed doom.
>>336455364
I think the players in these recordings are just making the game look easy. The one in the OP is screwing up quite a bit but it is not like his fundamentals are all that bad. I would personally play even more like a fag and make it look super-easy, but only because I'm too used to modern military shooters now and those games teach you to be very efficient with positioning. Probably boring to watch though.
The game should be just fine with a few notches up in difficulty and enemy speed. If some modding is allowed (Doom 3 was fantastic with this) then I can see how the challenge can be increased fairly such as more enemies per wave or faster animations.
>>336460306
Now this! this is what face paced is.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PIikukPw9f4
>>336460387
>If some modding is allowed (Doom 3 was fantastic with this) then I can see how the challenge can be increased fairly such as more enemies per wave or faster animations.
A Snapmap video confirmed that you can edit enemies speed, attack and health values, as well as increase the players default own speed of movement
really looking forward to some crazy shit from the community
>>336459839
Constant yet unnecessary weapon switching?
Weapons that all seem to have the same level of efficacy and DPS?
Execution animations every 5-10 seconds?
Confinement to a single arena for most of the time?
Lack of any sense of real threat because of conveniently placed teleporters that ensure that the player doesn't get cornered by enemies?
Lack of suspense because you know that the next enemy killed will drop health items and replenish the player's health so he doesn't have to work and weave through enemies to get needed health pickups?
>>336456129
wow you jumped a bunch so cool
you people do realize "fun" is relative to your stupidity? thats why people get drunk and do drugs to have fun because their brain becomes dumb from them. enjoying this piece of crap just proves you've got low standards for your entertainment and when someone says something you just tell them buuut iiits fuuun or something. pretty sure monkeys find poking their belly buttons with a stick fuuun too.
>>336456253
https://youtu.be/txmv2qFRuxI?t=22m19s
>15 hrs long
>>336458829
>melee is gone
>instead we now have 3 or 4 canned animations on repeat
>>336460989
>15 hours
So?
The new Shadow Warrior was also around 15 hours but it dragged on for so long I wish it was 10 hours.
>>336455742
wrong, you're being rewarded with stuff you won't use, but there's nothing saying you will need upgrades to be able to explore.
If you really like exploring there's no need for a reward anyways
>>336458929
>but we all put up with it
No we didn't. Most people went back and just ended up playing fanmade wads or quit playing doom altogether.
>>336463674
>you're being rewarded with stuff you won't use
That's not what anyone would call a reward.
>If you really like exploring there's no need for a reward anyways
Now you're just being ridiculous. Exploration without any kind of rewards whether it's directly tied to the gameplay or visual/story rewards is called a waste of time.
>>336454612
I think I can safely say I will not be paying money for that.
>>336460989
And both the originals were 6/9 hours long depending on skill and knowledge of the maps, your point?
>>336453546
looks okay
w/e
not anywhere near as good as the originals, but certainly better than doom 3, which isn't saying much
will get it in a year or two, not for 60 bones
>>336459150
>actually being scared by the sprites in DOOM
All of you were fucking pussies back then if this is true.
>>336464318
Hey, if you want to pirate it, that's fine with me. It's not necessary to make up excuses.
>>336454450
>reminder
>>336459648
Looks fun as hell.
Looks like Doom.
Like, literally looks like Doom but next gen.
>>336458371
I don't think shoving some thought into a serious sam game would be a good idea. might as well make a new franchise, exactly as they did with TTP.
>>336458960
>I never finished it because the last few puzzles kicked my ass
Should have seen Road to Gehenna.
>>336455432
its on hurt me plenty, so yes it is on baby mode
>>336456129
>2016
>thinking bunnyhopping is still impressive
even kids can do it
Did we forget about this? Fuck the rest, this is what made me hyped in the first place
>>336464386
one had a map maker that allowed for unlimited creativity
the other has an extremely limited "map" maker, no ability to make complete map packs(can't carry weapons, ammo, ecd. and no mod support
>>336465672
have they said whether or not we'll be able to bring in our own textures, yet?
>>336465672
>joining prefab rooms together and messing with triggers and props
good enough for consoles maybe but it's worthless on pc
>>336466560
PC is worthless in general, so that's nothing new.
>>336466650
wew
>>336466650
t.
![id[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/DgIpJ3e.jpg "id[1].jpg")