>Found in a darker version of the Firelink shrine after an illusory wall
>Description tells you you shouldn't give them to the Fire Keeper
>The game makes you double check before you give them to the Fire keeper
>Music changes after you hand them over
>Fire keeper thanks you but tells you it's forbidden to have eyes and you should kill her
>Ludleth tells you Fire keepers shouldn't have eyes
So did From Software really want to prevent players from giving her the eyes?
if they wanted to prevent players from giving her the eyes, you wouldn't be able to
all the prompts are just to convince you that what you're doing might be a bad idea
>>336418193
ha ha those aren't eyes they are my balls.
yes, MY balls!
giving them my balls is always forbidden!
You can give those blueberries to the blind nun who sells you miracles.
Then she can become a firekeeper.
>>336418329
They tried really hard to make you understand that you're heading towards a bad ending though
I feel weird because I had spoilered myself that but the fact that you find them in a darker version of an area you've already visited and the game throws 1000 hints at you that you shouldn't do it is a pretty solid warning
>>336418329
>>336418193
>>336418586
honest question to lorefags, whats so wrong with the dark age if there no dragons about?
>>336418560
What happens then? I was thinking about doing that because she wanted to be a firekeeper but couldn't
>>336418710
Everything is dark though. Which really doesn't make sense. Where did the sun go?
>>336418803
>let's give the nun that's terrified of dark things the ability to see even darker things
What could go wrong?
>>336418710
Look at the stuff that erupts out of Gundyr and some zombies as giant pulsating masses of vaguely human darkness.
Look at the entire Manos area from DS1.
Hell just look at the giant eldritch horrors flying around Lothric Castle's ramparts.
Although Mankind has an undeniable connection to the Dark, we're not really sure how we'd fit into the new Age of Darkness. It's not like a guy like Kaathe is in the habit of telling the truth for the sake of altruism.
What happens is left unsaid... but we have pretty conclusive ties to eldritch horrors.
>dark firelink shrine is in the past, and contains the eyes
>you snuff the flame if you give the firekeeper the eyes
>she tells you the reason she finds the dark drawing her in is the distant flames similar to the ones belonging to the Lords intrigue her
So are these the flames from the opening of DaS1? Or is just the beginning of a new cycle?
Also, where the fuck is humanity? I understand the mechanic missing, but a single piece of humanity, as a neat little item, would be cool.
>>336418832
>Where did the sun go?
maybe the sun is linked to the flame somehow?
>>336418193
>So did From Software really want to prevent players from giving her the eyes?
If they did why would they leave the eyes in the game, you stupid fuckwad.
>>336419010
Possible, I guess. But that's some cosmic horror shit if so.
>>336418967
i think abyss is to dark and chaos is the the flame... not quite the same thing.
I got one of the shit endings I'm sure.I had the eyes. I gave them to the firekeeper, she said that darkness would ensue. I killed her because theres no "give me those back" option. Proceeded with the story, fighting the unlimited bladeworks dude (isn't that the player from the previous dark souls entries? Thats why he has all those different weapons?), and then linking the first flame. Played a cool cinematic and then cut to credits. Ugh.
Not satisfied.
>>336418710
But dragons are a good thing. The only time the world was good and was heading in a nice direction was during age of ancients.
>>336418710
This is what really bugs me about the first Dark Souls
The link the fire ending is considered good because the fire age continues, but undead people die, are reborn and go hollow while the demons, dragons and various monsters rule the place
And in the bad ending the flame stops, the undead curse stops and the age goes away but Kaathe explicitely tells you that letting the flame extinguish will make way for the age of man
So why is the bad ending bad? Wouldn't it be the same thing in Dark Souls III?
>>336418903
Fistfights with the fire keeper?
>>336418976
>Or is just the beginning of a new cycle?
That.
Fire Keeper wants to snuff out the flame so the cycle can begin anew. Let the ailing First Flame die out so that new, stronger flame can in time take its place.
>>336419165
Killing her IS the give those back option, fag
>>336419206
>Fistfights with the fire keeper?
I would pay for that
>>336419165
She literally says "kill me if you have second thoughts, I will come back as I once was". Also, you do have a final choice, there is her summon sign for the dark ending or you can Kindle the flame, so they give you a bunch of chances to back out.
GRANT US EYES
GRANT US EYES
>>336418803
that anon is a retard. you get her to become a firekeeper by buying all the good miracles from her (including the ones from the 2 holy tomes).
>>336419165
The Cinder Lord is basically the manifestation of everyone who linked the flamer EVER from what I understand, not one specific person. So you have Mages, Gutsfags, Dexfags, etc. linking the flame and he's just a collection of those.
>>336418193
>and you should kill her
She tell you to kill her if you change your mind, and that after you kill her everything will be back to where it was.
Not because she is sad, scared or anything.
>mfw set controller down on couch to watch the ending and accidentally charge R2'd the firekeeper
>>336419206
Why does that bug you? It's not as if there's some official 'good' ending even if retards in the community refer to it as such, it's pretty clear that linking the fire benefits the gods more than humanity and only filthy traitors would chose that option.
>>336418967
The abyss is what happens when you fuck with the darkness/humanity/manus
Just like how chaos is what happens when you fuck with fire
After all, you can do hexes and enter/leave the abyss, and fight the darklurker without turning into a pulsating mass of eyes
Everyone's default state is hollow, and you don't have to be insane or have humanity if you're hollow, just look at the DaS1 PC
>>336419225
That's why I did the dark ending on my first run, honestly. That bit of dialogue about the small flames in the dark got to me. It's pretty obvious linking the fire is going to do jack shit with how weak it's getting so that little bit of hope seemed better than linking the fire (IE doing literally nothing).
When does this happen anyway?
>>336419182
Fuckin' scalies, always trying to say THEY have the normal fetish. Eldritch abominations are just as wholesome for society as your precious dragons, boyo!
>>336418710
Can't see shit princess
>>336419487
Don't worry
Fire Keeper can't die and revives if you did
Everybody else though they're fucked
>>336419495
>it's pretty clear that linking the fire benefits the gods more than humanity
Not really, the age of dark and the age of fire are both shitty ends of the opposite spectrum
But at least in the age of fire you can live a somewhat normal life and have the sun on your face and not look like a piece of beef jerky
>>336418710
Untended Graves is a nice example of what'll happen to the rest of the world should the fire fade.
It's not really bad but not pleasant either.
>>336418967
Abyss isn't the Dark although both have things in common.
>>336419395
awoo~
>>336419661
If you attack her during the ending, you fuck up that ending permanently and don't even get the cheevo for it.
>>336419395
Plant eyes on our brains, to cleanse our beastly idiocy.
>>336419570
say that to my face not online and see what happens
Hold on a second.
If the fire keeper cannot die, then why are there a gigantic pile of dead firekeepers in the tower?
>>336419827
They can die only after the fire is linked.
>People honestly think the untended graves are set in the future where the abyss won, and not just in Lothric's basement
>>336419064
>>336419010
That's exactly the point, which is why the sun over Lothric Castle and in the Kiln looks like a giant draining darksign. As the flame nears being extinguished, the sun begins to fade with it.
>>336419495
It bugs me because apparently some people think it's better to stay as rotten crazy people who have to go through an existence of dying and being born again just to keep the age of fire on while extinguishing it would cause drastic changes but lead to a better age without demons and dragons and that stupid curse
I was talking about this with my friends who wanted me to play DaS1 and apparently our interpretations were different
>>336419827
They'd outlived their purpose.
No champion came in their lifetime.
>>336419723
That's not normal though, it's an artificial state that shouldn't exist, beef-jerky cosmic horror is humanity's natural form in this universe.
dark is by nature calm,like a deep slumber
>>336419827
Because when they serve their purpose Andre has his way with them and tosses them into the tower. He then threatens that he will fuck them up if they ever move again. They arent dead they just dont move out of fear of punishment
>When Aldrich ruminated on the fading of the fire, it inspired visions of a coming age of the deep sea.
>Siegward->Squidward
Coincidence?
>>336419810
Your a disappointment to your whole family NK, even more so then Gwyndolin
>>336419885
Pretty sure Lautrec killed a firekeepr in Dark Souls 1 and you can killed the retired fire keepers in Dark Souls 2
None of it matters anyway.
>>336419886
>making your basement look like the main floor
Shit tier interior design 2bh.
I love these games and I'm still sick to death of all the goddamn threads. Use the catalog or go to /vg/, you cunts.
>>336418586
>letting thieves and murderers wander around is absolutely fine
>trying to give some chick eyesight is bad
fuck Japs and their dumbass morality
>>336419886
Its literally identical to the other Firelink.
So unless they painstakingly carved the landscape to look exactly the same which they'd have no reason to do...
>>336419979
>letting thieves and murderers wander around is absolutely fine
The first NPC you meet is literally an imprisoned thief.
>>336419978
Thank anon, because of your statement here today the dark souls threads will now be reduced significantly.
It is because of your valor that i award you an image that i don't even feel like uploading because your statement didn't do jack shit.
>>336419968
Well in DaS3 they can die only after the fire is linked.
Don't think about Dark Souls lore too hard or you'll hurt yourself.
>>336419954
>deep sea
>mother kos came from the sea
>>336419525
I'd argue that humanity is supposed to be eldritch horrors
Hollows aren't so much the default state as they are actually just empty vessels
Give a Hollow a part of the Lords' Flame, and they turn into a god (Gwyn & his knights, witches of Izalith, Nito)
Give a Hollow a part of the Dark Flame (Humanity in DS1) and they become a human
But Humanity is a mutagen, and when you fill a vessel with too much Humanity, then they mutate and start to lose form
Manus is a primordial human with a fuckton of humanity
Aldritch was a human who consumed so many humans he turned into a tentacle monster
I'm willing to bet the Dark Lord is an undead who consumes so many human souls they becomes an eldritch god in the Dark Age
>>336419998
Nigger time and space are convoluted
Don't tell me that a shrine can't exist in the basement of huge ass castle when in this same universe taking an elevator up in a windmill leads to Mordor
>>336418976
That painting is very unsettling
>>336419206
>Kaathe explicitely tells you that letting the flame extinguish will make way for the age of man
>So why is the bad ending bad?
It's not. You see the end of an age of man in DaS2. Vendrick was the chosen undead of his age, but refused to link the fire and became a fucking huge king instead. The only reason it didn't work out for him or the rest of the kings of men is that the dark age allowed the daughters of Manus to appear.
Whats the best ending? Is betrayal good? Firekeeper eye give a good ending?
>>336420248
It can totally exist "in the basement".
But it isn't itself THE basement. Which still leaves the question of what it actually is.
And while we don't know if its from an alternate time line, what we almost certainly do know is that it is not just the basement.
>>336420168
Fuck the age of Fire, fuck the age of Dark. The age of the Deep is where it's at.
if you need to catch up on the dark souls lore
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6FsiX_xkjuQ
So if I'm understanding this "abyss != the dark" thing right, is the abyss basically to the dark as chaos is to the flame?
>>336420335
There is no best, only favorites.
I haven't done them all yet.
>Kill Gwyndolin in DS1
>She survived and got eaten by slime
Why give me a choice at all?
>>336419954
>Age of the deep sea
>Think about the hunter's nightmare, Kos's dream
>LA LA LAAAAAAAA and pic related come to mind
Dear god link the flame already
>>336418472
underrated kekery
>>336420069
Yeah and I didn't know that until I opened the cage and talked to him. Little fucker is probably going to steal from me at some point.
>>336420406
Basically yeah. Dark is humanity, abyss is humanity gone wild (i.e Oolacile, New Londo, hexes, daughters of Manus, black ooze monsters in DaS3).
>>336420501
That's cheap b8, stop it.
>>336420335
Just link the fire its what everyone wants you to do anyway
>Accidently kill Ema while fucking around in her giant ass room when you first meet her
>Drops some sort of Basin
>continue to fuck around the room
>There's some sort of alter behind her that I can interract with
>Dancer of Boriel Valley suddenly appears and rekts my shit
>>336420406
yes
>>336420560
he's actually a good guy, dies for your greed
>>336420335
>Whats the best ending?
Depends on what you think is best for the world of DaS.
>Linking the Fire
The First Flame grows weaker after each linking, and its already on its last legs. Linking it now is essentially delaying the inevitable.
>Snuff out the flame
Put out the flame and let the dark wash over the land. Fire Keeper talks about seeing little embers flickering in the dark, maybe a sign that a new flame could appear one day.
>Usurpation
Take the flame for yourself and trap the world in a state of twilight between Fire and Dark.
>>336419886
>>336419970
>>336419998
>>336420248
>>336420352
"Gundyr, or the Belated Champion, was bested by an unknown warrior. He then became sheath to a coiled sword in the hopes that someday, the first flame would be linked once more."
This is the text on Gundyr's helm.
What implies is that you are the one who defeated Champion Gundyr, during a dark cycle of the world, and Iundex Gundyr or however its called is the tutorial boss.
>>336420585
>abyss is humanity gone wild
abyss isn't a thing, its a place you moron
>>336419932
yeah but people are used to not looking like beef jerky, that's why they hate undead and throw them in asylums
i mean it's great and all that everyone is supposed to look like beef jerky, but it's a jarring change that most people wouldn't want
>>336419886
It's the future. I killed the sorcerer guy in my Firelink and his books and shit were still there in Dark Firelink. None of the other NPC environment decorations remained aside from his.
>>336420501
First of all, Gwindolin is a guy
Learning magic is considered feminine which is why he looks like one
Second, he's already dead, Aldrich is just controlling his body and slowly eating him
>>336420352
Judging by the descriptions on Hidden Blessing and the Ashen Estus Ring, it was some place that existed normally in Lothric that only the queen knew about. Maybe she created it as a warning, maybe that's the true graveyard, maybe the old "time is distorted" bullshit. It might also be what inspired Ludleth to become a Lord himself, seeing it in person or a dream or whatever
>>336419965
fuck you dad
go back to burning yourself you cuck
>>336419954
Deep water is a bulwark of eldritch truth
Overcome this hindrance. Take what is yours.It's the abyss he's talking about but it's still fun. There are some really crytic references to the hunters of the king though, and how they killed beasts. Take a close look at the hunters ring, too.
Although I don't think the above means anything, which is sad, because if it is a reference than it's a lazy one that's there for no reason except to be there; which is a problem in DaS3 anyway.
>>336420810
>Learning magic is considered feminine which is why he looks like one
100% wrong.
Gwyndolin was born with an affinity for the moon, so he was raised as a fuccboi. Magic in and of itself is not considered explicitly feminine.
>>336420560
He doesn't
He's loyal
You can send him out to steal shit to sell you
First time is fine
Second time you need Onion Guy to be at Borial Valley and NOT enter the dungeon to save his ass
Third time there is no choice, he's going to die but he's glad to serve you
>>336420335
>Link the Fire
Delaying the inevitable etc etc
>End of Fire
Let the world go through some shit times so a stronger First Flame can be reborn, there's a chance of the cycle starting all over again though
>Betrayal Ending
Same as the second one but you don't have a waifu anymore
>Usurpation of Fire
The Absolute Madman ending, you just say fuck you to the cycle and take the First Flame for yourself, what happens next is up to you.
>>336418710
Theres nothing wrong unless youre some spastic god faggot.
>>336420406
us programmers, right?
>>336420810
I didn't defeat Gwyndolin in DaS1 because I didn't have the impulse to hit Gwynevere so I had looked it online some time after I had finished the game
Then one day I was at a friend's house and he hits the illusory wall that I was 100% sure I hit myself but did nothing and it revealed the same corredor
And in that corredor you find the ring that allows you to do "things of the opposite sex"
What does that even mean? Is there an use to that?
>>336420646
>maybe a sign that a new flame could appear one day.
Dark Souls 2 basically confirms that ages of fire follow ages of dark
>>336420679
The abyss is both a concept and a place, as it can spread across an area. Hence the Abyss Watchers that hunt down humanity gone wild
The negative aspects of the dark like Oolacile, darkwraiths, and the abyss, are all spawned from Manus, the father of the abyss, making the naming even more clear
>>336420810
> magic is considered feminine.
No. Odin was a God of Magic, although more focused on enchantments and charms than sorceries.
>>336420984
>I killed her thinking I would get the Usurpation trophy
>completely unaware that there's a sprawling quest you have to do
>didnt like the game enough to do another playthrough
>now my friends will forever think I gave up on the last boss
>>336420857
I wish Gwynevere could've been born first, then i wouldn't have needed to worry about you being such a massive fuck up. Hell, i'd rather Ornstein have been my son.
>>336420894
>It's the abyss he's talking about
Not really, unless you have a good source there.
The deep spells look different from dark spells and have a blue tinge.
>>336421063
That's like saying "us mathematicians, right?" when someone uses =. Don't be a faggot.
>>336418193
Who /already bored/ here?
>>336421240
Ornstein is my best bro, we trained at Archdragon Peaks together.
>>336421281
There's lore that implies the deep was tainted and became the abyss.
>>336421397
Me. And quite a few of my friends too, they are back to DaS1.
>>336421098
You need to be wearing the Darkmoon Seance Ring, obtained from somewhere in the Catacombs, to hit the statue and make it disappear in the tomb under Anor Londo.
>>336420971
>2nd time
You can not buy the armor and have him save the guy or you can buy the armor, give it to original Onion Bro, and have HIM save the guy.
I keep seeing people only mention one way to save him in the 2nd event, which is wrong.
>>336421439
>there's lore that implies the deep was tainted and became the abyss.
and pray tell what source you have mi familia
>>336421439
The lore implies the abyss is different from the deep.
Deep infusion gem states that there is a darkness beyond human understanding.
>>336421209
>trophy
People care about these?
>>336421397
>finish game once
>go back to BB
>>336419965
>>336421240
What aboutAndre
>>336420406
dark souls really seems to emphasize the whole yin-yang idea.
presumably in a hypothetical age of dark, if it lasted too long, then the world would become fucked up like when the fire fades... and eventually a new age of fire would become inevitable.
>>336421573
>didnt even finish BB
>bored
>>336421585
Andre was just a blacksmith regardless of what people say.
>Andre: just a blacksmith
>Solaire: Just some weirdo
>Gwyn's firstborn: a dragonfucker
Vaatifags btfo
>>336421476
But the same night I went home and did it even without the darkmoon seance ring
>>336421527
>Deep Protection
>The deep was originally a peaceful and sacred place, but became the final rest for many abhorrent things.
Fun fact.
The firekeeper in DS3, is the woman from the cutscene in DS1 sitting next to the corpse.
>>336421832
Fun fact.
You have absolutely no proof.
>>336419773
I did this and got the only fucking ending that has no achievement, when you have to go out of your way to hit her in the split second that the option becomes available.
Fuck you From
>>336421559
I have autism :(
>>336421620
See: Dark Souls 2, which is an ending age of dark heralded by the coalescence of manus' fragmented soul into his daughters
Eventually the fire will be re-lit, even the firekeeper says that in the darkness she sees through the Untended Graves firekeeper's eyes she can see tiny flames dancing in the distance.
>>336421902
Go back and watch the cutscene dumpydick.
>>336421774
All it says is that the deep used to be a nice place but now it isn't
how does that imply the abyss, especially when the deep is stated to be "a darkness that lies beyond ken." knowledge of the abyss is well known, and there's hexes and scholars of it, it's why clerics wear turtle shells
>>336419902
>>336418832
>>336419064
>>336419902
It's basic lore that Gwyn made the sun...
It's why Gwyndolin made the moon. He was trying to imitate his father.
>>336421585
Andre was intended to be the firstborn, but got written out of the role as of DaS3.
Question of my own; why is what little of the Nameless King's body all beef jerky-looking like Old Man Gwyn after he became the lord of cinder?
>>336421752
Oh, wait, I think you can do it after you pop a cap in Gwynevere. I think the ring's only needed to meet him while Anor Londo is still bright, and therefore to get into the Darkmoon covenant.
I'm not completely sure though, it's been some time since I went there last.
>>336421434
And you killed him, great job you failure of a son.
So Gwyn was the first dude to "Link" the fire, which is essentially just him sacrificing himself to keep the Fire burning. The fire gives God's their power?
How is Gwyn still alive after sacrificing himself? I mean, you have to fight him?
So the Lords of Cinder, are they all dudes who sacrificed themselves to link the fire too? And then they got brought back to life by the Undead Curse/the ringing of the bell? But they didn't want to mess with the fire shit anymore so they just fucked off and did their own shit in DaS3 and that's why you have to kill them/bring them back?
Is any of this right?
>>336421985
>knowledge of the abyss is well known
No, it isn't.
Hexes are not abyssal.
>it's why cleric wear turtle shells
Those weren't clerics you stupid fuck
Play the fucking game
>>336421708
Okay, fine. But I believe Bone Fist in Eleum Loyce is Andre's bones.
>>336418710
While we're on topic, what's with the "Deep"?
Is the sea engulfing the world part of the age of darkness?
>>336422142
PLAY
THE
FUCKING
GAMES
>>336422036
>gwyndolin made the moon
m8 you're a clown
gwyndolin didn't make shit, gwyn raised him as a trap because he had an affinity with the moon, how could he be aligned with something he wasn't even around to make yet
>>336421985
hell, Abyss is all about humanity too, Manus and his humanity going berserk is what gave birth to the Abyss in the first place.
Holy fuck, is there anything worse than the camera during the first phase of the Nameless King?
>>336422085
What little of it we can see*
It seems bad because everyone except for Lothric is a retard who thinks continuing to link the rapidly weakening fire like a puppet is a good idea
>>336421832
which cutscene?
Can you screenshot it?
>>336422226
Some people say it's just a poetic way of referring to the Dark.
Others say it's just a Bloodborne reference.
Whatever it is fuck FROM for putting this shit on the last game of the series.
>>336422142
Gwyn burned up all of his soul until he had no more humanity and went hollow.
Lord of Cinder did the same thing, burned himself up until he lost all of his humanity and went hollow.
You however, do not ever go hollow unless you have the dark sign engraved into you by ninja turtles.
So you are a true vessel, and would never go hollow, just burn, for all eternity. You as you are now, are embered, and so strong that you actually reignite a demons corpse with your fire bringing it back to life.
Also.
The firelink you wake up in, is not real, its more like a dream state, the real fire link has long since been abandoned. The fire keeper created a separate world, to house souls.
>>336422295
Not locking on really helps.
>>336422226
It's the upcoming age that Aldrich saw and sought to prepare for it by devouring gods. The age of deep water.
That's all we really know from what little we've seen from deep related item lore. It's not quite the abyss but pretty similar.
>>336422252
>Abyss is all about humanity too
Funny you should mention that.
>Deep Soul
>Souls which swell from the deep pursue their target, drawn towards life.
This implies that humanity comes from the deep.
>>336422295
Don't even bother using lock on, shit don't work in that battle
Just crank up the sensitivity and center the camera on the king/dragon and you'll have a much easier time
>>336422228
I played all of them, they don't really explain any of this
>>336422228
to be fair the games don't tell you shit unless you piece together obscure item descriptions and dialog
>>336422371
>Gwyn burned up all of his soul until he had no more humanity and went hollow.
But Gwyn was a god. Gods don't have humanity.
>>336422145
>No, it isn't.
Yep, the abyss watchers didn't exist.
>hexes are not abyssal
Then why do you get the abyss seal that increases damage for your dark spells and drains your health?
Why do you have to travel to the abyss to get more hexes?
>those weren't clerics
"Garb worn by a cleric turned undead. Unmistakable vibrant blue robes.
It is said that the blue-robed travelers were entrusted with a duty.
They bore large covers on their backs to ensure that they would not become seedbeds for spreading darkness."
>>336422350
He means the intro and he's lying.
>>336422085
Nameless King went hollow
It's probably why he killed Ornstein
>>336422226
I believe so. If you get on top of farron keep where stray demon is and look down it looks like water is swallowing the world
>>336422393
How do you get Humanity comes from the deep from that?
If anything thats saying the deep wants to end humanity.
>>336422371
>Gwyn burned up all of his soul until he had no more humanity and went hollow
Holy shit no
Gwyn wasn't a human, he had no humanity to burn and therefore couldn't turn hollow
Is Manus the furtive pygmy, I always said no but I forgot why. What disproves it
>>336419495
>DaS1
>Restore fire keeper's soul at firelink
>"I can't wait until you link the fire, so I can finally die"
you have to be a heartless bastard to not grant the mercy of death to every innocent person, even if it does play in to the schemes of the gods
>>336422475
>abyss watchers didn't exist.
Watching =/= understanding
>"Garb worn by a cleric turned undead. Unmistakable vibrant blue robes.
That set doesn't have a turtle shell, you stupid fuck
Is NG+ supposed to be harder? I just buttfucked Iudex...is it gonna get any harder or am I stuck being OP as fuck?
>>336422393
How the hell do you get that?
If anything it says that the Deep is hostile against life.
>>336422464
Gwyn had a gods soul, Gwyn is not a god.
Just like you can take souls to make you stronger, Gywn found the lord soul to make him stronger.
>>336422464
Gods dont exist. Gwyn called himself a god because the Lords Soul gave him power of sunlight.
Without the Lords Soul he may have been a Primordial human.
Dont forget, God is just a title, as Gwyn took the deity status from his first born.
It was just an elitest group
>>336422556
>furtive pygmy
huh, I completely forgot about that guy
>>336421397
I've just binged hard on this game on both PS4 and then the PC.
I'm not feeling that same disgusted bloat I had with Fallout 4/Skyrim, though.
>>336422085
Got burned from fugging too many dragons.
So why can't a level lady have eyes? Doll even has eyes on the inside and she's just fine.
>>336422589
Fug you euthanasia is bad
>>336422660
kek
>>336422512
>If anything thats saying the deep wants to end humanity
Are you fucking retarded? It says nothing close to that.
Maybe you have fucked up eyes.
SOULS WHICH SWELL FROM THE DEEP PURSUE THEIR TARGET, DRAWN TOWARS LIFE.
Like Humanity which seeks to unite itself. Like the Humanity sprites in the Abyss which are drawn to you or to Sif.
>>336422607
NG+ is somewhat harder but if you can beat NG, NG+ wont really seem much harder as you will probably be doing more damage / already familiar with the fights.
The first 1/2 is going to be a joke, but its like that in the other dark souls games too
>>336422085
the dragon pussy game was too strong
>>336422556
It seemed like to me that the furtive Pygmy is the first human; the one who created the Dark Soul, whereas manus is just the collection of a fuckton of the dark soul and the creator of the abyss.
>>336422646
Aren't there actual gods like Velka and that one tthat leurtec worshipped?
>>336418193
Those eyes look like pic related when looked from afar
>>336422480
Non-humans don't hollow, hollowing is a condition linked to the Darksign exclusive to humanity.
>>336422709
are you talking about the bad uv map for her eyes?
>>336422738
>Pursue their target
>Drawn to life
Yeah that kinda implies its hostile towards humanity.
>>336419064
>>336419010
I thought it was super fucking obvious that the first flame is directly linked to the sun. Did the solar eclipse as the flame is dying and the framing of every shot in the endings not make it clear enough? I honestly felt like they were too heavy-handed with it, I'm kind of surprised everyone didn't immediately come to the same conclusion.
>>336422607
Ng+1 is easy if you have a strong character. Ng+2 is where things start to get harder. Iudex is probably always easy though
>>336422827
>Non-humans don't hollow
Gwyn hollowed.
>>336422840
>Yeah that kinda implies its hostile towards humanity.
So Humanity is hostile toward itself? You fucking stupid fuck.
>>336422556
Heavily implied to be him or a direct descendant.
>>336422828
yeah
>>336422507
Might be, since there was no visible sea in Dark souls 1, then 2 had a fuckhuge sea, it was even part of the plot (Giants being from overseas) and then in 3 there was a lot of sea as well.
Hmm, what about Ash Lake? Like, what is the "water" in there? is that the "Deep"?, are the sea levels from Ash Lake, or you know, the bottom of the world rising more and more to the point where they will swallow the world?
>>336422895
Gwyn did not hollow. He couldn't for the reasons you just replied to. He burned.
>>336422840
>pursue
>target
What about these terms implies hostility, faggot?
>>336422801
>when u need the rum but he gives u the pickle pee
>>336422085
probably because he is the oldest living being that we know of, and isn't a fertility goddess or an illusionist like his siblings
>>336422895
gwyn linked the fire you dumb fuck
it says no where in game that he "hollowed"
gwyn is literally the soul of cinder; every lord of cinder becomes a husk to defend the flame after they link it
>>336418586
>bad ending
I'm surrounded by pussy ass niggas that can't handle a little bit of dark, damn.
>>336422591
>That set doesn't have a turtle shell, you stupid fuck
you literally have a shell on your back wrapped onto you
At any rate, nice goalpost moving
>They bore large covers on their backs to ensure that they would not become seedbeds for spreading darkness.
That implies knowledge about the abyss and how it can corrupt you, hence why they wear the shell shaped covers
>watching =/= understanding
I never said they understood the abyss, just that it was known about.
The deep is something "beyond ken", which implies little to no knowledge about it, but in Dark Souls 3 we see plenty of people wearing covers on their back to prevent corruption, but only a few sources of deep information
>>336422968
>He burned
And the burns just happen to look like hollowing?
No, he hollowed.
>>336422961
Ash Lake in DaS3 has been completely scorched.
It is/was demon territory now.
>>336422371
Nigger, that firelink is in the past, this one is the real one. What indication do you actually have that this on is just a hologram?
>>336423042
>The deep is something "beyond ken", which implies little to no knowledge about it
Yeah, but just like you keep crying like a faggot about the abyss.
THE DEEP WAS KNOWN ABOUT
It has a whole fucking cathedral devoted to it.
>>336422556
The furtive pygmy is the one who split the dark soul and created humanity as we know it.
Manus is basically a pissed off/corrupted version of the furtive pygmy trying to get his humanity back
>>336423059
How the fuck can a non human hollow? Hollowing is explicitly described to be a condition linked to the Darksign and Humanity, the Dark Soul. Gwyn had neither of these. You don't know the lore half as well as you think you do.
>>336422709
Emerald Herald had eyes, and look how that one turned out, worst in the series.
>>336418710
Age of dragons was neither light nor dark.
Man has the dark soul, age of dark is the age of man. Oolacile is what happens when dumbfucks try to abuse the dark soul, just like how Izalith is what happened when the Witch tried to abuse her soul.
>>336421832
Their clothes look nothing alike. The only similarity is the blonde hair, but even then they have different styles of hair.
>>336423185
Just like you have worshippers dedicated to kosm in bloodborne
They don't really know about the deep, they just know about aldritch telling them vaguely about it and created a religion around his ideals and his power
>>336423115
You're right, but even then, what could be below that place? I think it's only a part of Ash Lake that's scorched since you can make out in the distance a shitload of trees as well, also, in DaS1, the world seems to be endless with a lot of trees too.
>>336423185
In that context, "beyond ken" means "beyond understanding".
People have churches dedicated to the Abrahamic God, but those same religions will explicitly say that God's will is unknowable. Worship doesn't inherently imply understanding.
>>336423226
Neither do you if you think you have concrete fucking answers for anything.
There are few gods and many men. Hollowing spread like a plague among men and was therefore known only through man. This does not mean a "god", which by the fucking way is a vague fucking label in every souls game, could not hollow. For all intensive purposes, burning for a god could very well have resulted in the same thing as becoming undead for men. How many gods do we even know of in the Dark Souls pantheon that have died? Most fled before any of the events of the game and the only one that sort of dies other than Gwyn is Gwyndolin but he's eaten. My theory is just as valid as anyone else s.
>>336422961
Excellent point. Ash lake is the only place in ds1 with a huge body of water and its really really far down. Now the demon ruins and darkroot are flooding
>>336422895
Where does it ever say the deep is humanity? Everyone has a soul you mong.
>SOULS WHICH SWELL FROM THE DEEP
How in the flying fuck do you get that means Humanity?
The deep is something Beyond humanity. The deep gem says that.
>There is a darkness that lies beyond the human ken
>>336423467
Ok, give me the source from the game that states people understand the abyss.
Oh, you can't? Because they don't?
>>336421774
that makes it sound more like the painted world than the abyss
>>336423604
>How in the flying fuck do you get that means Humanity?
What is Humanity, faggot? Souls.
>Watching fire fades ending
>Sound abruptly cuts out while the screen is fading
>Sudden cut to the credits screen
>It's a fucking fmv where the beautiful, emotional final soundtrack is ruined by the shitty compression artifacts
Fucking fromsoft ruined the moment.
>>336423646
I never said shit about people understanding the abyss. I'm just saying that having a church dedicated to something doesn't inherently mean there's any understanding of the thing it's dedicated to.
Don't be a little bitch.
>>336423037
Not that anon
>gwyn is literally the soul of cinder; every lord of cinder becomes a husk to defend the flame after they link it
Thats not true, as Aldrich, Yhorm, Abyss watchers and Ludleth were never part of Soul of Cinder
Gwyn was likely a Primordial human, similer to Manus, held to godly status on his own ego.
Unless you mean to say LoC in Dark souls 3 did NOT link the flame
ASHEN ONE
MAKE
LONDOR
WHOLE!
>>336423727
No, it isnt.
Gwyn had souls you stupid fuck.
>>336423646
Not any of those anons but jesus christ you're acting like a child that's pretending he didn't lose a game.
>>336423829
>I never said shit about people understanding the abyss
>>336422475
>Then why do you get the abyss seal that increases damage for your dark spells and drains your health?
>Why do you have to travel to the abyss to get more hexes?
>>336423042
>That implies knowledge about the abyss and how it can corrupt you
>>336423967
gwyn is human, deity is just a title he bestowed upon himself for owning the lord soul
>>336423814
>shitty compression artifacts
Do i need to be an audiophile to hear this or was i just not paying attention?
How do you even choose the endings?
All I know is dark sigil dead wife boogaloo
I just want to know if BB is anyway connected to the Souls series. all I can muster up in my head is if you receive eyes you see the eldritch Gods, or god-like beings, which is what scares the firekeeper but what the Brygenwerth church is after. they are in the age of man (age of darkness) but the Gods have more control over men than beings in any other age, so the Gods can influence that world more than others. both universes have characters with no eyes or just straight up blind, to not see the horrors, ie the abyss in Souls and having a lot of insight in BB.
but that's really all I can grasp
>>336424067
Yhorm had souls too.
Gonna say Yhorm is human aswell?
Or how about all the demons you get a soul from?
>>336419886
It's the past. If you leave a message in Dark Firelink then it appears in regular Firelink, and if you don't loot any corpses in Firelink they'll all still be there in the Dark version. Plus Gundyr, read his item descriptions.
>>336424090
He's being extremely autistic.
>>336424183
Also if you die to Gundyr you can pick your souls up at Iudex Gundyr
>>336422607
Doesn't get hard till Lothric's Castle and it's only because everything does a lot of damage. NG+ is just meant for collecting shit you missed and upgrading more weapons. It's not like Bloodborne, where the NG+ DLC drove people to the brink of suicide.
>>336423646
>>336424040
At any rate, http://darksouls2.wiki.fextralife.com/Pilgrims+of+Dark confirms that understanding of the abyss exists
They talk about how hex users spent their whole lives and sometimes died in their pursuit of knowledge about the dark and the abyss, and has an entire questline where you go into the abyss to obtain hexes and fight abyss spirits and the darklurker
>>336424090
You don't. I was wearing headphones and it was terrible. It was actual shitty compression, you could hear the 'wave-like' artifacts. It was because the entire credits was a compressed FMV like the intro. They could have just played an mp3 file over the credits and it would have been miles better.
>>336422740
feels pretty good in 1 to walk back into that old asylum demon room with maxed out weapons and armor and just completely fuck him out of his misery.
YEAH, YOU LIKE THAT? REMEMBER WHEN YOU JUMP ATTACKED THE LEDGE I WAS ON?! I CERTAINLY DO!
>>336423541
>my theory is just as valid as anyone else's
It most definitely isn't. Not when Dark Souls 1 and 2 both explicitly link hollowing to humanity and the dark sign. You don't even have a theory, you're just blindly ignoring stated lore regarding the nature of hollowing.
Even if Gwyn burning his soul resulted in something comparable to humans becoming undead, he did not go hollow, because *only humans go hollow*.
>>336424183
>If you leave a message in Dark Firelink then it appears in regular Firelink
If you leave a message in regular Firelink before getting to the Dark one the message will be there as well.
If anything its proof that its the future, but its really not proof of either one way or another.
>>336424067
>gwyn is human
I guess ddark souls 1 just no longer exists, huh?
Are those things supposed to look like blueberries?
>>336424067
What makes humans, well, humans in this setting is having a part of the Dark Soul or not, Gwyn did not receive a fragment of the Dark Soul from Pygmy since he already had his Lord Soul.
>>336418193
>Eyes
>not blueberries
Here firekeeper, put these "eyes" into your head. They'll make you feel berry good.
>>336424340
>Not when Dark Souls 1 and 2 both explicitly link hollowing to humanity and the dark sign
>NO IF ONE THING IS LINKED TO IT ANOTHER CAN'T BE
How old are you? Twelve?
>>336424040
Those weren't fucking even me. I literally only posted >>336423467, and solely in response to the point I outlined here >>336423829.
Calm the fuck down, you sound like a child being told he can't have a cookie before dinner.
>>336419827
But tbe reality is that From loves putting pile of dead bodies everywhere.
>>336424182
>Gonna say Yhorm is human aswell?
>demons
I never said that souls = humanity
>>336424375
>>336424384
I'm just saying that humanity and Gwyn are the same "species" apart from having the Lord/Dark soul, sorry I could have worded that better
>>336424384
What is the Dark Soul?
Its a soul that was found within the flames.
What did Gwyn possess?
A soul that was found within the flames.
>>336424340
Not that anon,
Can i ask what you think Gwyn is when he Burned his soul then?
Because losing god status can happen, God is not a race of people. What is Nameless king considered if not human?
>>336424614
>>336424614
Thats like saying all animals are equal because they share the same ancestor
>>336424478
>game explains that a condition is linked to two factors
>makes no mention of this condition being linked to anything else
You've got no sources at all to support the idea that hollowing is a condition related to anyone but humanity. The irony in you calling me a 12 year old is that you're clearly just trying to justify baseless headcanon by screaming louder.
>>336420604
It's cool you can do that though, you can kill Dancer before Vordt and make Lothric your first Lord of Cinder if you can make it that far.You could go to Dark Firelink before even leaving the High Wall for the Undead Settlement.
>>336424604
You must be another anon then, becauze what I was replying to is
>>336423727
>What is humanity, faggot? Souls
>>336424723
>can I ask what you think Gwyn is when he burned his soul?
A Lord of Cinder.
>>336419902
The sun only looks like that after you give the firekeeper her eyes, Ive noticed this. The sun does not change until you give her the eyes, then it changes everywhere.
Also I got one big glaring fucking hole in the whole Dark Souls thing with the fire and the sun being linked.
>How does the abyss not pop up every fucking night.
>Day and Night exist.
and it most likley existed before Gwyns ass.
I really think that this is all just horse shit made by somebody whose been in charge of everything from the get go.
Datamined shit almost suggest the firekeeper as DLC boss, and I am entitled to believe it too.
Just like how the serpent tricked man into doing shit, a firekeeper tricked the lords into shit too.
The fact is this, and this is my take.
>Something somewhere is playing a trick on people and just wants the cycle to keep repeating so they can continue existing or living.
or
>To cause great chaos and death to absorb souls
and who do you give souls too!
>You give lord souls, and sovernless souls to people to make weapons or gain power.
Remember how things worked with Demons Souls? Now put it on a scale in this game.
Something somewhere, is continuously causing this havoc to repeat over and over while getting stronger and stronger.
>>336424905
So why does the Lords of cinder in Dark souls 3 not look hollowed?
>>336424773
well humanity and the gods are the same "animal", just filled up with different souls.
>>336424803
>makes no mention of this condition being linked to anything else
BECAUSE NOBODY HAS SEEN GWYN SINCE HE LINKED THE FIRST FLAME FAGGOT
He's the final fucking boss.
What do you want as proof of the possibility?
That the Dark Sign says "All who hollowed must be human, except that one god Gwyn who hollowed the fuck out".
You're being an unreasonable pissy little fuck.
>>336421098
That ring changes your animations to those of the opposite sex. It's a really REALLY fucking subtle change to animations, you wouldn't even notice unless you had the two playing side by side.
>>336420604
>Accidentally
Yeah right you fucking fag. You just want to twink.
>>336421397
Me
I'm rebeating Bloodborne. Much better game desu.
>>336424943
>How does the abyss not pop up every fucking night.
>Day and Night exist
>and it most likley existed before Gwyns ass.
First of all, there's the moon which is an imitation of the sun created by Gwyndolin, so it's possible that that staves off the abyss too
Second of all, day and night didn't exist before the first flame and gwyn's creation of the sun, it was just a dim misty darkness in the endless ash lake, as seen in the intro
>>336418710
dark age means people are basically wild animals again. linking the fire means you've sacrificed yourself for the greater good instead of being selfish and sacrificing everyone else for your own wants.tfw you link the fire and then in the future humans become scientists and bring you back from the dead with a powerful supercomputer and say thx for not letting everyone turn hollow
>>336422534
Go play DarkSouls 1 again, the lords can become hollow, they go mad, they tell you Gwyn went hollow, Seath went mad, and so forth. Frampt tells you about him going hollow.
>>336423135
>Hologram
you mean a hollowgram.
Well this is why.
>Because they are uncreative as fuck and used an idea similar to Bloodborne.
Didn't say it was hologram, but its not in reality and since the worlds are linked to one another, different realities and time lines criss crossing with one another at the bonfires, you get the point.
So you are right most likley and so am I, its the past, its another dimension, but the world we are in the fire fades.
>>336424965
The Abyss watchers wear body covering clothing and full face masks, Aldritch is an inhuman blob and amalgamation of corpse parts, Lothric refused to give himself to the fire. Yhorm has charred and cracked skin, and Ludleth looks exactly as you described.
>The First Flame = Bonfires
>Undead aka Hollows fuel Bonfires
>Lords of Cinder fuel The First Flame
>Lords of Cinder = Undead aka Hollows
>>336419773
>cheevo
Don't ever say that non-word to me or my/v/again.
