Why is Pokken so dead?
shit roster
>>336350354
Gets boring pretty fast somehow. Might be because of the small roster.
>>336350354
>pokemon fans generally aren't fans of tekken gameplay
>tekken fans generally aren't fans of pokemon
gee i wonder why
>>336352283
This
>>336352283
Even so, why does no one talk about the game on 4chan?
>>336352830
Because is ded u asshole
It's not really dead
We still have discussions
But it gets outed by shitposting threads
Also the majority has moved to /vp/ having general threads every day
It's not dead by a long shot
EVO's coming after all
>>336353090
It's pretty dead on /vp/
"Street Fighter killer" lmaoing every time
>>336353138
You can't kill what's already dead, anon
>>336353138
Literally no one said that ever, and SF killed itself with launching with next to no offline content and awful servers.
>>336353006
and as we all know, 4 chan is the only place with video games and video games discussion. If it's dead here, not because of time or day or anything it's simply a dead game.
defiantly not because this place is normie central at all.
>>336353334
Because other sites for discussion isn't full of "normies" is it?
>>336350354
I blame the tiny roster. It gets so boring fighting the same opponents
Would a DLC with more fighters improve Pokken?
>>336353908
It's probably going to save SFV.
1000+ entrants in EVO
>>336350354
It isn't though.
>>336354138
Why does no one stream practice or make tutorials on Pokken? I want to get better at this game as one of my first competitive fighting games, but there is almost fuck all out there.
>>336350354
Because everything is dead.
>>336354781
I have also noticed that.Are video games dying?
>>336350354
Depends on which scene you're talking about.
Pokken is dead casually because the intersection of pokemon fans and fighting game fans is pretty slim and the majority of people who purchased it likely played story then quit forever.
Pokken is dead competitively because playing it competitively is either boring and easy (Suicune, Mewtwo, Chandelure) or tedious and frustrating (basically anyone else). The game is poorly balanced in terms of effort to output, and giving characters both beam spam and true reversals is fucking retarded.
>>336354258
The only real comp scene is versus gaming and it's dying out because suicune and mewtwo are so insanely dominant
twitch tv/vsgc there are recorded tourney streams.
>>336355713
>>336355805
So the main reason the game is dead and shit is because of poor balance? Sucks it probably won't get many more balance patches, guess I won't put in the time to get better if it involves using playstyles I dislike.
>>336354258
Game needs some goddamn spectating. Or replay recording. Tournament lobbies or something.
Basically a bunch of things Smash has.
>>336356008
>So the main reason the game is dead and shit is because of poor balance?
Yep. Chandelure and Suicune can spam projectiles all day, Mewtwo is all kinds of bullshit, and everyone else has to try to get in and play fair RPS.
>>336353458
The entire internet is full of normies now.
Everyone knows Gardevoirs the best right
>>336356008
Don't listen to /v/ when it comes to balance. The only character in the game that comes close to being dominant is Shadow Mewtwo.
I dunno, but post Braixen.
>>336356963
Who else would I listen to, no one else plays the game.
>>336356664
A normie might be posting in this very thread
>>336352283
nothing like Tekken
>dead
>still get matchups on ranked and unranked within 10 seconds
lol
when matches stop being found in 2 seconds then pokken can be considered dead.
>>336357037
There's a discord and a forum for the main Pokken community. A lot of top players use it. Just google pokken arena.
How the fuck do I get gud at this game? I finished all of offline but I can barely win at all online.
>>336357027
I wish wifephox had gotten in instead desu
>>336353241
GOT EEM
>>336351987
SFV only has 17 characters
and people don't seem bored of that game.
>>336356818
Gardevoir is just Chandelure with less damage and no overheat
Braixen is shit tier
>>336356963
hahaha, holy shit no, get the fuck out of here. S Mewtwo used to have a shitty block infinite and can crush someone who doesn't know the matchup but you will NEVER see a S Mewtwo go far in a real tourney.
Is Garchomp good in this game?
I don't have a Wii U, but he was the only character that seemed interesting to me.
>>336357278
>a lot of top players
Like who?
Most people who seem to consider themselves top players are total shitters from the smash community like Shofu.
>>336357356
They're both great.
>>336353090
no, its dead
>>336357108
That's how they're advertising it, it's even in the name, "Pokken"
>>336357416
in SFV there is only one character that is not tourny-viable, meaning there are 16 viable characters.
In Pokken there are 3-5 tourney viable characters depending on who you ask. Suicune, Chandelure, Mewtwo, and possibly Garchomp and Weavile.
>>336357416
Pokken's mainly appealing to people who like pokemon (and don't play fighters) and people who have played Tekken, but the character roster is pretty boring pokemon wise and SFV has years and years of dedicated fans behind it.
The tekkens don't like pokemon, most pokemon fans don't like most pokemon, and the game's on a console that needs you to buy a real controller separately.
>>336357652
That just means Pokemon Fist
ken means fist/punch
>>336357436
>S Mewtwo used to have a shitty block infinite and can crush someone who doesn't know the matchup
The only smart thing to do against S Mewtwo players was to avoid playing against them altogether while this infinite was active. Unless you knew that they wouldn't use it. It was extremely unfair and easy to execute. No amount of gitting gud would have outplayed that block infinite at a high level
>>336357724
>Pokken's mainly appealing to people who like pokemon (and don't play fighters) and people who have played Tekken
You guys really need to stop making stuff up to sound like you understand trends or what makes something popular
same with this guy >>336352283
you have no clue what you're talking about
Because that might come off as a surprise, but Rock-Paper-Scissors gets boring after two days.
>>336357436
Shadow Mewtwo is considered the best right now even after the infinite fix.
>>336358007
By who? Where? I thought the game was really balanced, aside from Suicune lightly leading the pack?
>>336357685
>one
More like four or five.
at a tourney level you would be better off picking Karin/Chun/Bison/Nash anyway, picking anyone else is just gimping yourself
>>336357817
>It was extremely unfair and easy to execute
It also required you to be right in front of him and blocking instead of countering or attacking, it really wasn't much of a threat at all.
>>336357951
All fighting games come down to RPS, the problem with Pokken is that certain characters get an uneven advantage in RPS situations (like chand and mewtwo), or have a game plan that revolves almost entirely around avoiding RPS.
>>336354258
The only one that has anything on YouTube is shofu, but he doesn't show off anything really. I can't think of anyone besides him and I wouldn't recommend watching his videos if you plan on learning a character.
>>336358189
I watched his videos and all it stems is "I never played or watched anything about this character so I will play my first few games with him"
It's fucking awful, but then again shofu hasn't been good at this shit at all.
>>336358007
Hahaha, oh god no. Stop listening to fucking streamers. Suicune is king right now.
>>336358125
>I thought the game was really balanced
Also no. So many characters completely lack ranged options in a majority of matchups and characters with strong ranged options and get-out-of-jail cards dominate the meta hard.
>>336358146
>four of five
List which characters you think aren't viable outside FANG in SFV.
>>336356664
This is the sad truth.
People have confused 'nostalgia' with folks simply longing for the old days of a smaller, more exclusive forum.
Like setting trends aside, there were simply less people on the internet ten years ago, and everything was so much better for it.
>>336358156
>All fighting games come down to RPS
At least they have gameplay elements outside of it. There's literally nothing about Pokken outside of RPS.
>>336358125
By top players who are A and S rank. Japanese players have a tier list and they have Mewtwo, S Mewtwo, and Pikachu as top tier.
>>336358390
Suicune isn't even top.
>>336358390
the ones that aren't Nash, Chunners, Bison, or Karin.
>>336356963
I think the most debatable thing is which character is the worst. I personally think blaziken is pretty bad, same with weavile.
>>336350354
Because like every neo-nintendo game, it simply sucks.
>>336357320
Play ranked. I know friendly seems like a decent starting point but it's not cause that's where the true tryhards reside, while ranked is just people at your level being just as shit as you with their main.
>>336358390
Can you not deal with ranged spammers by learning to CADC?
Are there even any fighting sticks that support the Wii U?
>>336357547
He's alright. You just have to know how to bait so you can land your hard hitting shit without getting booted out of duel phase, which against mewtwos and gardevoirs is hard as fuck. It's strangely easier with suicune though, probably cause the beams are really easy to bait
>>336353304
>no one said that ever
You're full of shit. Almost every Pokken thread had that spouted here and there.
>>336359180
Well you said it in this thread, therefore it could just be people like you thinking people are saying it.
>>336359003
Chandelure lasers pierce
Suicune can punish CADC at several ranges
Mewtwo has piercing moves, AA, and strings that are very difficult to interrupt
>>336350354
I don't know why but for some reason I get nauseous everytime I play this game.
Other fighters don't cause this and I really like Pokémon so this really pisses me off.
>>336359180
I saw it said twice in threads on here and both times it was obviously shitposting. Thatsaid I spent much more time on /ptg/ than random threads on here so take my input with a grain of salt.
>>336359003
You can with suicune and braixen, gardevoir and chande don't give a fuck though. Half their shit pierce ca anyways so you just have to dodge and weave and hope you time a hit right.
>>336353090
Guy that lives in Japan here
It is dead
No one wants to talk about it and no one at arcades play it.
It's only at EVO because of Nintendmoney
>>336359367
So unless I want to play those characters I should just stop trying at all to get better? Guess I should just quit the game.
>>336352283
The game doesn't look ANYTHING like Tekken from what I've seen. Of course I can't say anything until I've played it, but it looks way more reminiscent of those third person Naruto and DBZ fighting games
Why are you so concerned about other people playing it? Is it impossible for you to play a game if a million other people aren't playing it too?
>that feel when Pokken is the first fighting game I actually want to get good at and I have no idea who to main due to it being so different from other fighters I played
At least with 2D games I know what I like, Pokken is just fucked and I can't seem to find something that clicks.
>>336357781
I get what you're saying and it's absolutely correct, but since Pokemon is a portmanteau of "Pocket Monster", isn't it more accurate to say that Pokken is "Pocket Fist".
>>336359601
Yeah, unfortunately tourney-level Pokken is boring as fuck because playing that way is boring but fighting it is also boring.
Which sucks because casual Pokken is actually really fun.
>>336350354
I really like it but it does need more content
Which it probably won't get because Nintendo is dropping the Wii U and going quiet until the NX releases
maybe Pokken 2 will be better
>I totally forgot i had it
I don't even remember buyin it, the fuck is wrong with me
I don't know why, I really enjoyed it for a couple weeks, played it offline with friends casually and played ranked online as well. Maintained an 85% win ratio with my main even, which I was pretty happy with but I kind of just dropped it. Maybe I'll play it again tonight or something, see if my Libre is still good.
>>336350354
Because there isn't enough hentai pics of the announcer.
Prove me wrong.
>>336359890
Some people want to go full autistic and 100% it. Which means you need to have 200 online games and wins to get all titles. I understand the urge to 100% so I feel them a bit.
>>336360068
>Pokken 2
>>336359601
You can play gengar and learn vanish cancels. It circumvents some bullshit scenarios but gengar doesn't have a lot offensively outside of synergy burst
I can still get matched up pretty quickly in online play and I do legitimately like the game. What kills it for me though is so far there has been no announcements regarding any DLC or even anymore balance patches. You can't just release competitive fighting game and not support it. And this coming after the year long dlc releases we got for Smash and Splatoon.
Either that or they're saving all the good shit for the NX, which is likely.
it's alive, just that no new content kills discussion quickly (see /vg/)
like how SFV is still being played by thousands of people but we only get new threads around when new characters are added
Why is there no good online guides on like what to practice, how to get better, combos for characters, etc.? This part of the community seems to not exist, and it really puts people like me who wants to be competitive but doesn't know how.
Shit game
Because it sucks.
Waiting on Guilty Gear
>>336361168
Because the game is exceedingly simple in terms of execution. Most characters have two midscreen combos and a corner combo at most.
>>336350354
Needs more stuff. In the actual game. It's got really solid mechanics but the roster is just objectively too fucking small. It needs more playable characters, more support, switch-uppable support, maybe some kind of adventure mode or something. It's really good, it's just not enough. 90% of the game is unlocking those shitty Deviantart character graphics and titles.
>>336361429
Then why am I so shit at this game if it's so simple? I think I am something like 5W 15L online as Blaziken.
I simply can't have fun in it. It's a Spam Simulator 2016.
There's 0 reason for a Suicune to not spam the same shit, wait for approach, punish the opponent whatever they decide to do after approach, hop away and start over. Even if you do beat them, it's never fun.
I want to have fun but I get so fucking mad over braindead spamming. Hurr look how good I am by pressing one button xDD
>>336352283
Meanwhile there are others who like both games such as myself. It doesn't have to be a case of people like one or the other but not both
>>336361595
Well for one you're using Blaziken. Blaziken has safe armor-piercing kicks and pretty much nothing else.
Two I imagine you have nothing in the way of fighting game fundamentals, which is something you're probably not going to learn very well playing Pokken because it's a very matchup-heavy game with lots of moves with special properties and it's usually not obvious if a move is safe or punishable.
At a low level of play most will spam one or two effective moves, just see what they're doing and try to counter it with the rock-paper-scissors system.
>>336361732
Suicune and Chandelure are easy as shit to beat, man. For example, I main Garchomp (who's also easy as shit to beat), spammers almost never prepare so they don't know how each Pokemon can counter them. Garchomp can literally just Dig under all their projectiles and hit them. There are plenty of other Pokemon with even better methods to counter spamming besides just plain Counter Attacks. Charizard, Blaziken and Delphox are fucking god tier. The Pikachus are ridiculously overpowered too.
>>336361595
>blaziken
There you go. Blaziken doesn't really have shit on everyone else. Even lucario and machamp have more options than him. If you're really dedicated to him you're going to have to read everyone almost perfectly and learn more about the other characters projectiles so you can space and move correctly.
That last bit is how I beat most blazikens. They under estimate the speed and utility of projectiles even in duel phase.
>>336361168
Here's a guide:
1. You can't use just anyone to get ez wins 100% surely. Scroll up the thread to see which characters are most OP, and with that you can get advantage over others without actually doing anything yourself.
2. Play defensive or wait out what the opponent does most of the time, punish accordingly, avoid doing the first move yourself
3. If you know what buttons to press for what skill, you're golden. Just see for yourself when to throw out what based on your opponent.
999. Realize you're not enjoying the game anymore and quit.
>>336350354
The game is a mess of random particle effects and has a terrible roster of really really bad choices
>>336361732
>It's a Spam Simulator 2016.
>There's 0 reason for a Suicune to not spam the same shit
You're clearly salty, but you're also completely correct. High-level Pokken is nofunallowed abuse of top tiers.
You can just watch the VSGC weeklies if you want to see that kind of bullshit Suicune and Chandelure get away with. It's not fun to play against and I can't imagine it's any fun to do either.
>>336359574
>Nintendmoney
>Not nintendough
SHAMEFUR DISPRAY
>>336362145
>Suicune and Chandelure are easy as shit to beat
>Garchomp can literally just Dig under all their projectiles and hit them
>Blaziken is god tier
Hi there, D-rank. Why don't you go back to the kids' table? The adults are talking.
>>336362134
Yeah I don't have any fighting game fundamentals other than just watching 2D fighters.
>>336362410
Dude can't even get the pokemon's names right, why would anyone think he knows anything about the match-ups either?
Pii U games will never last
Only reason Trash 4 is still alive is because of Nintendo shilling and the sheer magnitude of autism from the Smash community
>>336362867
Why would I bother listening to you when you type like a retard?
>>336362145
Garchomp is viable I'll give you that at least.
But blaziken is trash. If he's god tier in anything it's god of shit characters in fighters. Charizard is spammable but he's not that far above blaziken cause once someone learns how to beat the fire punch and dives there's nothing you can do to surprise them and they'll keep you out.
>>336350354
There's like 12 fighters
>>336362209
>You can't use just anyone to get ez wins 100% surely
S.Mewtwo.
>get close
>spam hurricane counter attack, breaks counters, huge damage, safe
>Burst
And you win.
I was so surprised how low the twitch views were in the first week it was out.
I mean it is kinda boring to watch, but it seemed like it was gunna be a bigger deal
>>336352283
Game doesn't play anything like Tekken
Since most of the thread is just tier discussion might as well post personal tier lists.
S mewtwo
Gardevoir
Mewtwo
Pikachu
Chandelure
Suicune
Gengar
Braixen
Lucario
Libre
Garchomp
Sceptile
Machamp
Charizard
Weavile
Blaziken
I'd make it per phase but there wouldn't be much of a difference of you ask me.
>>336363918
>that feel when I like Blaziken and Weavile the most
Why are they do bad?
It's fun but it way to full of bullshit
Half the time you can't tell what's safe and what's going to break your counter
You have to use counter alot and it really has no negative repercussions if you stay out of grab range
It's WAY to easy to spam with the spam characters. Chandelure literally never has to get close to you and if you manage to get in you will get mid range grabbed or overheated
Mewtwo is just plain bullshit
>>336364116
I think this is the biggest problem for me too, I can't sell what is safe and what isn't, way too many particle effects going off at all times and it's sometimes hard to tell what pokemon are doing.
>>336350354
They put in meme pokemon instead of establishing a theme. Also Tekken sucks
>>336363918
Garde is terrible what are you on
>>336350354
Wanted to get in to it. Came down to that I no longer want to dedicate that amount of time to one game. That time of my life is over, for better or worse. I mean, I still have time for gaming but I just do it to relax these days
I mean, if this was released like 10 or so years ago yeah but I am fucking 28 now.
Also it hurt my hands.
>>336364116
It's just a bunch of small stuff to fix really. I have no idea why it wasn't done during the shadow mewtwo/reshiram patch. To fix normal mewtwo and his barrier, just make barrier slower or last longer going out so it's just not a free get out of pressure button. Chandelures overheat is so fast especially in an online setting so slow it down too. And fix his fucking ranged grab. I've been grabbed out of air, on the ground, mid projectile, etc. It's such bullshit that it seems to ignore the rps while machamp and charizard get fucked raw.
>>336364357
What are you on? Projectiles are god in pokken and she has absurd damage for simple shit. She's good no matter how you look at her.
>>336350354
It's not?
>>336355535
Yes, in the same way every person is dying from the moment they are born. It's called 'entropy'. eventually everything will die including this entire universe.
>>336364813
Not them, but Gard's range turns to shit if facing a Suicune
>>336366387
But her normals don't. If you know what you're doing gard can hold her own just as well against a suicune. If you know the suicune flowchart in duel phase it's practically a gimme for them.
If it's field that's giving you grief then you need to learn to time jumps and cadc. Her float can mess with trigger happy suicunes so the spamming scrubs are easy to work around with a bit of foresight.
>>336368060
I'm always on the other end of the match-up and just use mirror coat after luring them into attempting projectiles.
What's the flowchart, just blizzard, and weak normals?
>>336369331
The flowchart is usually blizzard, grab. Then once they catch on start counters. It's really a casual filter play style that anyone abouve c won't fall for.
Poor roster, no fighting types in a fighting game, pikachu libre and no hawlucha
Might play it while Evo is going. It really does need some content though. Balancing and more fighters. Charters don't even have alt colors or costumes beyond the mirror match colors.
>>336364813
Yes they are but Garde is very laggy and slow a lot of her projectiles leave her wide open. Also those projectiles are all she has. Unlike the other projectile characters she has zero options when you do get close. Her counter attack is grab bait so either they use it and get grabbed or she gets destroyed in close combat
>>336370526
>No fighting types
>Machamp, Lucario, Blaziken
>>336350354
Wii u
The game doesn't feel responsive to control at all and actually a bit disorienting at times.
>>336357559
>Most people who seem to consider themselves top players are total shitters from the smash community like Shofu.
Didn't he rank top in the leaderboards for the game so far though?
>>336372309
The leaderboards are sorta skewed
They don't actually take into account your current point in Ranked but the total you've accumulated
Which means if you play enough, you might be higher than a C1 even though you're B4 or something
>>336350354
Doesn't have Zangoose. Pretty much sealed its fate.
>>336370754
Her projectiles leave her open because they're good. She can throw them every direction and even though she's open its not a big window at all compared to charizards flame thrower or machamps boulders. Her projectiles if used right shut down certain approach options, which against characters like blaziken just means they can't approach at all.
When they get close she has tons of options still, she just can't get away with stuff like mewtwo can cause unlike the rest of the cast her gaps are obvious. She has a great slide and her charging spin is excellent for baiting and her jabs are just as good as the rest. Her grab is absurdly good for her being a ranged character and her counter is switches to field phase immediately where everyone else has to hit 2-3 times to switch which puts her right back into her comfort zone.
Is there someone worth watching anywhere for learning and getting better?
>>336372795
I use Weavile and I literally can run right past them all aside the homing shot and initiate duel phase. Especially that one where she levitates in the air after attacking that's Knock Off bait everytime
She's the only one I can run right past as far as pure projectile characters go I can't run past chandy or Cune
>>336372795
The bottom line is that Gardevoir is a less effective Suicune or Chandelure. They have all of her options and more with fewer weaknesses.
>>336371138
I feel you. Offline it's not too bad but online and especially local it starts to get very grating. I wonder what Nintendo's hard on is for input lag is recently?
Why is Blaziken supposed to be bad? I'm shit but his enhanced moves seem to be worth the health drain if you have a healing support. Maybe I only do pretty alright with him since no one uses him so no one knows what to expect.
>>336359574
>trust me, I totally live there
>>336373709
>Why is Blaziken supposed to be bad?
He's not.
Why the fuck would ever take 4chan's advice on fighting games? Literally scrub central.
Or games in general, at that.
>>336374040
Where else would you find advice?
>Mfw just started using Machamp
How is this nigga legal.
>>336374040
He is. Anything he can do lucario can do better.
>>336350354
I'm actually gravely annoyed that you are required to use the gamepad for local multiplayer.
Fine, I get the intent. The mechanics of the game need two screens. But why not split screen it or just let me use a fucking Pro controller while using the damn useless rectangle as a screen?
>Play Gengar
>Have fun because he's cool
>Does shit damage and has shit health
>Burst is great but charges slow
Fun but it's annoying that one hit from a heavy or a good combo takes half my health
>>336373407
That's weaviles thing. Being fast to avoid spam. But you hold the block button and weavile can't do shit cause she has the least damaging grab in the game. If you ask me weavile and machamp are the hardest matches for gardevoir because they have really fast counters and dashes and longer pokes than her. Suicunes attacks move them closer into gardevoirs melee range which makes it very easy for her to punish on block.
>>336373452
Chadelure I can agree with, they put out unparalleled spam and push through phases like they don't exist. Suicune and gardevoir are even at best. They're called match ups, even the best in other fighters has their equal or boon. Suicune can keep gardevoir in a blizzard vortex or gardevoir can shut it down by keeping them out of the air and counter poking the beams.
>>336374040
Nigga Blaziken isn't good, his moves are really slow. He's really sluggish, counters eat him alive
>>336375672
>counters eat him alive
Nigger, what? Flare Blitz and his divekick alone make counter next to useless against him.
>when you land a fully charged stored power as Gardevoir close up
>>336375672
>>336375890
Other anons right. Blaziken sucks but counters aren't his weakness, it's his predictability and lack of options besides being in someone's face. He goes through counters easily, and has an ok one himself. But all it takes is one good guess which is easy to get and to lock him out cause everything that gets him back in costs health and puts him at disadvantage. If you don't want to guess and just block he can grab but that's just as bad for him cause he's doing damage but losing his only advantage.
>>336375556
But that's the thing Weavile can't rush past Will O Wisp and Beam Spam or Cunes beam fuckery. He may get in but not as easy as he can against Garde
>>336376697
Like I said. That's the match up. Her projectiles are still good, weavile just has an edge against them specifically in that case. I'm not quite sure how you're having trouble dodging suicunes with weavile, I dodge with gengar and machamp all the time and that's usually by accident. Are they just baiting you out?
>>336373523
I heard Namco puts input lag in all their fighters now for some reason. Dunno how true it is though.
>>336377048
Suicunes can aim their hydropumps, and you can guess which way they're planning on going from time to time
>making a competitive fighting game for a dead console that doesn't even have an ethernet port so you're stuck playing WiFi-warriors all the time
>>336377048
The only one I really have issues with it Chandelure, he can pretty much spam at will and its mentally exhausting getting through it even with CADC because of how much he can throw out and then the fact you can get close and overheat will send you back to square one
Cune actually has to work a bit more to spam their attacks and spamming them can lead to them getting punished if not done correctly, Cune is decent up close but not good enough to deal with steady pressure
Negative interest because you can't do local multiplayer on 1 TV
>>336358542
Sounds like someone loses a lot.
>>336377301
>Cune actually has to work a bit more to spam their attacks and spamming them can lead to them getting punished if not done correctly, Cune is decent up close but not good enough to deal with steady pressure
That's what I've been trying to say and that's why gard v cune is pretty even. Neither can spam endlessly cause they can each counter it in a way, but suicune has a vortex and good damage all around while gard has decent pokes and a really good grab and anti airing counter.
>>336350354
>playing a fighting game online
>>336358390
Gief is top shit
Who are the grapplers in this game, Machamp and Lucha? How good are they?
>>336357436
>>336373452
>The bottom line is that Gardevoir is a less effective Suicune or Chandelure.
>Gardevoir is just Chandelure with less damage and no overheat
Even though they all have completely different moveset, retards? I know /v/ is shit at fighting game but this meme is getting old. Not to mention Gardevoir is actually better than both at zoning, she has more projectiles that prove to be effective when used right and she generally has more options.
>>336370754
>Her counter attack is grab bait
That's called winning at rock-paper-scissor. You still have to get a read no matter how shit she is in close range combat. She also has pretty good combos that she can use if you're not careful.
>>336381639
Libre has great mix-up potential with attack chains that go into RKOs and electric-webs
Champ is fucking beastly up close and will destroy me if it gets that near
>>336381639
Machamp, libre, and technically charizard. Those three in particular rely heavily on their grabs and grab cancels. Other characters like mewtwo and gengar have command grabs too but they don't rely on them nearly as much.
>>336363918
>sceptile that low
Shit list
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NrtiDO8xJQs
>>336382871
Wrong thread?
>>336382514
Sceptiles annoying. But I don't see anything that makes him better than lucario and he doesn't have much to spam effectively. He just has really good range but that's not enough to win in this game.
i bought it and played it once. the poster is cool, though. i really wish they had just made a regular fighting game like tekken
>make projectile whore characters
>give them no weaknesses at close range
>also make defensive options clunky as fuck
Gee, I wonder why nobody is interested in this game anymore. Maybe I would have played it a bit longer if I didn't have to play exclusively against Japanese Mewtwos and Braixens
>>336383210
pokemon fans were going to buy it, they had to dumb it down for them.
but I wish they didnt dumb it down to the level of button spamming. To add to it, the spamming includes a "whoever hits first hits the button mashing combo" and "whoever hits best button wins paper/rock/scissors" so it really kills the strategy when figthing someone.
I hate that, but i personally hate that they eliminated actual real 4-6 hit+ combos by killing any and all dmg you deal after 2nd or 3rd hit.
I found a nasty chain combo on Machamp using one of the support pokemon (forget who, but the support hits opponent 2-3 times) and I found that I can chain that pkmn and machamps special and do like a 30 hit combo... but because that support hits 2-3 times before I mash L+R.... his super ends up doing only 10% dmg whereas normaling, by itself, it could do 40%+. I bought raged and broke the disc in half after that during an online match.
>>336383851
The counter system needs retooled. It's so easy to just mash through counters so there's little reason to stop mid combo when they go for it, unless you're at like 1hp. At the same time there's almost no downside to using an armor attack to close distance or apply pressure, cause some characters just can't grab them out, or just isn't worth the risk of missing it.
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>>336352283
This plays nothing like Tekken.
>>336384031
>raged and broke the disc in half after that during an online match
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>>336384670
Damn, thanks
>>336350354
I played it for 30 minutes then went back to TPHD, then moved on to EOIV and SFV
I'll get back to it eventually, but I'm not expecting that much mileage out of it
>>336350354
Dead on /v/ maybe, /vp/ has generals everyday. Have you even played on online? it only takes about 3 seconds to find a match as of today.
>>336376194
You know that a male gardevoir, right?
