https://youtu.be/vNh4RPVME_8
I'm still mad
>>336324392
i'd been doing such a good job at forgetting Sonic 4 existed.
I've never played this or the second one. How are they?
Honestly I always thought of the first Sonic Advance as Sonic 4. The other two are bit removed from the original formula, but the first felt like a proper genesis game
>>336324419
I'm still mad too, but that didn't stop me from getting all the achievements.
You ARE a real fan, right anon?
>>336324530
Episode 1 is a colossal disappointment.
I suppose it's not a "bad videogame", but it's not deserving of the name Sonic 4.
Episode 2 is considerably better. It has its own gimmicks built in but they can become nice and fluid and make for decent speedruns.
>>336324392
What the fuck is wrong with the music
>>336324843
They tried to emulate the genesis sound chip with a modern synthesizer
The result is abomination
>>336324843
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FRueErNsZnY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4LpZptQceh0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hyvZnbsHpoQ
They fixed it in a mediocre party game.
>>336324530
https://youtu.be/1nN4sgqravM
Episode III when?
>>336325081
20116
Shit music
>>336325075
What the fuck.
Damn...
>>336324530
Episode 2 is a little better, has more original zones and the physics are better but I still wouldn't recommend it.
>inb4 someone says the snow level is ice cap zone
>>336325521
The snow level is ice cap zone mixed with twinkle park
They got the main theme right at least.
It sounds like a sonic theme...
https://youtu.be/scnQjWDnNio
>that guy who only ever posts about sonic the hedgehog
>>336325521
>>336325587
Reminded me of the Ice level from Sonic Advance.
So much fucking water
>>336325781
I guess.
Sounds like a natural evolution of the sonic 3 theme.
This will always be my favorite.
https://youtu.be/XM35dc5MxuQ
White Park Zone literally has some twinkle park in it
https://youtu.be/FQPg9kcjUR0
>>336324392
My ears...
>>336325521
Whoever decided that the boss theme should just be the pinch theme from Episode 1 needs to be shot, because hearing this for an entire fight is annoying https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IJZoPxpSCvU
Hearing it for 5 minutes during the Oil Desert boss makes me mute the game
>>336326458
Most of the music is garbage. Jun hasn't gotten it together in a good while now. Most of his Generations Mixes are pants too.
Meanwhile:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ft4GrkEBvrQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kvgTu5b7T8k
>>336326172
White Park is a god tier zone trope wasted on this shitty game. Act 3 is a Labyrinth zone tier travesty and the Metal Sonic fight could have been a roller coaster race through all sorts of crazy wooden coaster track but its just a completely flat running boss.
>>336325081
hopefully never
>>336327215
>Jun hasn't gotten it together in a good while now
And yet I'd still rather have him on the next game than Ohtani again. Fucking hell outside of maybe 3 tracks Lost World's soundtrack was forgettable as fuck, Hell, I remember more tracks from Shadow than I do Lost World
>>336327215
>Act 3 is a Labyrinth zone tier travesty and the Metal Sonic fight could have been a roller coaster race through all sorts of crazy wooden coaster track but its just a completely flat running boss.
It's best just to say the entirety of Sonic 4 is waster potential. Episode Metal too
>Lock on technology!
>You can only play 1 act of each zone with a higher enemy count
>Don't even play through the zone's backwards
>Tails being playable in single player mode would cost millions of dollars
>>336328108
Don't forget
>Metal plays exactly like Sonic even after Lost Labyrinth where he gets that power up
>>336326172
White Park was my favorite level from both Sonic 4s. I want to see a snowy theme park level to be done in another Sonic game, but better.Third act was terrible though.
>>336328184
This was bullshit
>>336324392
I will never understand how anyone can defend this utter piece of shit. It is one of the biggest disappointments in video game history yet people often consider it decent to good, or are indifferent about it. For fucks sake that music is fucking atrocious not only by Sonic standards but video game standards, yet the general opinion is "it's okay and some of it's pretty good". I do not understand. What kind of fucking anomaly is this?
>>336330843
I remember when IGN gave it a 8/10 or a 9/10 for Episode 1 then Episode 2 came along and they gave it a 6/10.
Makes you wonder.
>>336330843
It's people who will just enjoy anything, like people who defend Transformers, the Star Wars prequels andFinal Fantasy XIII.
There's even people who say Sonic '06 "isn't that bad". Basically some people will defend anything as long as it's almost slightly playable.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OEX2clt9dpc
Why did they put so much effort into the soundtrack of a free2play piece of shit of all things?
>>336330843
>Pic
I wouldn't call 3&K's story "epic" by any stretch. Simple and well executed? Yes, but not epic
As for Sonic 4 itself, it really wouldn't get the hate it gets if it wasn't called Sonic 4. Outside of the name it's nothing that terrible. It's not good, but it's really not terrible, just painfully average and considering the lows Sonic has reached (Chronicles, Shadow, and 06 come to mind), I think that goes a way towards people not giving it that much shit
>>336331137
IGN gave Unleashed a 4 and didn't even get past Holoska. Frankly I don't even know why people take IGN seriously even outside of that
>>336331338
Unleashed is a bad game
>>336331338
But it is Sonic 4. You can't shift criticism just by pretending it has a different identity, that's bullshit. It's called Sonic 4 and should be held up to all the standards that name carries.
>>336331493
>Unleashed is a bad game
I'd say more painfully average. 2-3 hours of really fun stuff in between 10 hours of boring Werehog and medal hunting
>>336331521
On the other hand I find that having the name Sonic 4 makes people tend to blow the problems the game has out of proportion. Does the game deserve the title of Sonic 4? No fucking way. But is it godawful? No. It's just kind of bad to painfully average
![maxresdefault[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/0Yhptci.jpg "maxresdefault[1].jpg")
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hEScLQf6fTc
>>336327970
Sonic 4 is garbage
Sonic stories are garbage
So why do I want to see the rest of this story? I need closure
>>336331807
Because fuck cliffhangers
>>336331675
>But is it godawful? No.
It is actually pretty godawful. The only thing it has going for it are some of the graphics. The controls and mechanics are horrid by even normal platformer standards, it's riddled with bugs, the music is fucking awful by ANY standards, and even if we just treat it like any Sonic game, it's way way below the standards of any other 2D Sonic game.
>>336331228
Sonic Runners music is fucking amazing. It also sounds way more like Sonic music than a lot of Lost World's OST. (not to say LW doesn't have some great tracks though)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0xurfUSmKYw
>>336331493
I thought it was a bit better than Colours.
Random posting but, it's really hot to talk with sonic lewd artists on streamings, there are some girls drawing sexy amy rose too, I think I'm addicted to this.
>>336331719
this is never coming out, is it?
>>336328014
Shadow's soundtrack was really good though.
>>336332467
It is, but oddly enough I barely remember most of it, even though the game forces you to play through it 10 fucking times
I like Lost Impact's theme though, even if it's one of the worst levels in the franchise's history
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NMMyFng5J1o
>melpontro never finished his Sonic Generations stages
Was really looking forward to Ice Cap zone.
>>336328014
Ohtani is fine, the problem was letting him do the entirety of Lost World. He can't carry an entire soundtrack on his own.
Unleashed, Colors and especially Generations soundtracks were great because they had a whole bunch of different composers give it a ton of different styles and variety.
>>336332894
>Ohtani is fine, the problem was letting him do the entirety of Lost World. He can't carry an entire soundtrack on his own.
Exactly. You can keep him, but have other people alongside him so the soundtrack doesn't feel samey.Also I want vocal themes back but that's never happening
S&K is still the king
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_T7hdIh-gtw
I was about to make a fuck you i liked it thread with Sonic 4, what the fuck. What were your favorite levels from E1 and 2?
>E1: splash hill, all of them, casino street 1/2, labyrinth act 2, mad gear 3
>E2: all of sylvania castle, white park, oil desert, and 2/3 sky fortress
Honestly these games are pretty fun if you just go in expecting a 2D Sonic game, not an actual successor to the originals. I loved the coop and tails abilities you could do in E2.
>>336333416
>Honestly these games are pretty fun if you just go in expecting a 2D Sonic game, not an actual successor to the originals.
>>336331850
>even if we just treat it like any Sonic game, it's way way below the standards of any other 2D Sonic game
>>336333631
I dont think so. The level has really good flow and is curvy. Some levels have strong buildup and resolutions, the blur and smoke effects are satisfying. The title of Sonic 4 alone makes people cringe though. If it was called, Sonic HD megamix or some shit they wouldve been called better because people automatically assume 2D sonic is good. The only major problem with the games I feel is the most bizarre part: the music, the one thing sonic always gets right. There are some standouts like casino street 1 and white park 2, but a lot of it is holy fuck
>>336324530
They're not popular and I understand why, but I had fun playing through it with my friend.
Unironically wish episode 3 was made with knuckles. Wouldve been cool if all episodes were able to link up if you had all 3 and you could pick sonic and tails or sonic and knuckles. The jump from 1 > 2 was pretty big in terms of effort and level design and all they had to do was continue.
>>336334478
I would have prefered a game using the retro engine. Yeah there are a few things about sonic CD and Sonic 2 that rub me the wrong way about very specific jump timing changes, but a new game with new levels would be rad as hell.
It worked for megaman 9/10, I don't see why a sonic game in their actual real classic style wouldn't work.
>>336335641
Because its obvious what they were going for. They wanted something that would appeal to both new and old players. Newer sonic fans probably think the old sonic games suck because theyre a lot slower with more pitfalls and obstacles and vice versa for old sonic fans. Sega isnt as cheap as capcom either. They usually always give sonic a decent budget so he doesnt have to look like a 16 bit game.
You know I honestly think they were close to their goal. A lot of levels in both episodes were super curvy similar to old games, it was pure 2D so it doesnt trigger anti-3D autists...and there was modernization in the form of homing attack, new HD graphics, and lots of high speed. Its just that the physics were off so the classic sonic fans sperged out and the new ones didnt really notice or care. At least thats how I see it. The physics are nothing like the old games but on their own they really arent "abysmal" like some would lead you to believe. They just have odd tendencies but are very easy to learn. Idk m8 thats just me
>>336336024
A lot of effort went into making megaman 9 and 10 to feel like the older games on the NES (less so for 10).
To say that capcom was cheap when they decided to take that root is a little disingenuous. And no, I'm not defending their bullshit Bass/protoman DLC.
There is a lot of appeal for the older games, the android ports of Sonic 1/2/CD are great and sold well from what I understand. The guy who ported them even said he was willing to make new stuff, I don't see why they don't just let him, it sounds like money to me.
With how many Sonic rom hacks there are and how far they usually go I'm surprised there hasn't been a rom hack that truly recreates Sonic 4 (at least episode 1). The closest thing I can think of that does it is the Sonic 2 Dimps edition one.
>>336336270
It is cheap on the surface. Its a call back but it did look very cheap looking especially in that era where games like battlefield and gears of war had amazing graphics and new megaman games were just...8bit nes games again. The core design is there sure but again that will appeal almost exclusively to long time fans. Not that theres a problem with that, its just different philosophies went into mm9/10 and sonic 4.
Their might be a pride/japanese culture thing behind limiting taxmans efforts. Ultimately it would be better if sonic team gave him clearance, but japanese business culture is bizarre to westerners at times. In the end, I enjoyed 4 for what it is was. Was is it anything like the previous games? No. But on its own it was a fun little sidegame that couldve gone much, much fucking worse than it ended up.
Im wondering if anyone ever bothered to try to implement classic physics on the pc ports of 4. There are some parts where it wouldnt work but thats not to say there isnt a lot of curvy areas that would benefit from rolling up and going fast.
>>336336628
Level design is kind of an issue as well which is why I doubt there are substantial mods.
A lot of the levels require you to homing attack to get to where you need to go, and pressing a contextual button in episode 2 so you can continue, its not very conducive to going fast or maintaining any sense of flow once you hit those walls.
>>336325081
They cancelled it
A To Be Continued message was in ep 2 game files but was scrapped
>>336336785
That would be a part of the mod...change sonic so instead of falling after hitting something while curled up, he instead bounces. Episode 2 does have a lot of those sections but maybe thered be some way to keep tails functionality while also having emulated old school physics. Episode 1 would be better with this since theres no tails mechanic. All im thinking of are the parts where your walking upside down on something. i forgot how the old games handled that but i think you would fall off if you were hanging upside down, where as 4 sonic sticks as long as youre going fast enough
>>336336984
Might as well just design a new game/game engine, which is what most people do.
>>336337083
True. Im just theorizing on what the outcome would be. Im not crazy either. I literally was just playing through 4:1 and there are tons of slopey and curvy areas that could re enact similar moments seen in the old games
>>336336024
They are literally incapable of reproducing the mechanics of the original games. Sonic 4's physics are not just "off" they're all kinds of fucked up, and it completely lacks the finer details. That and it's loaded with bugs. All of it goes to show they're both careless and incompetent, as if the horrid music wasn't proof enough.
Oh ye bby
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_PFliss60lU&ab_channel=Cola_64
I maintain that episode 2 was pretty good. I had fun with it. Maybe cause I didn't pay for it though, that early PC leak was awesome.
episode 1 just doesn't exist to me.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PUpOMn_8pv4
Only good track in the game, and even this one is let down by being ultra-synth. All the fan-made Genesis-style versions are better, this one being the best:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P4kjlYsUZeg
>>336336628
>trying to defend it with the "it's not worse it's just different" argument
Anon it's worse. It is objectively worse. I'm not even saying "objectively" ironically; I mean it is actually far, far worse than the classics in ways that are objectively quantifiable.
>>336338331
>trying to attack "its not worse its just different" argument by arguing that "its bad because its different" argument
The fact that there is an active Sonic the Hedgehog thread shows that the autistic culture of /v/ isn't dead. Go get a life you fucking autistic furries.
>[muffled cat and duck noises in the distance]
>>336339458
Totally bro, agreed 100%!
*grabs wii u tablet with pro gamer gear hat, loads up my favorite Mario game, and shoves peach amiibo toy up my ass*
Aye yi yi those fucking autistic Sonic fans I swear!
The problem isn't just being called sonic 4, the enemies are all in the wrong places. It was all bullshit.
>>336324547
>caring about achievements
The music for the final boss was the only music that was good in the game.
>>336339558
Dae cute video game girls??
>>336331137
>IGN
>>336327215
Is Megamix still going?
>>336339882
Dude bro, totally...samus is my waifu haha. Look at this pepe too! Haha those sonic fellas, real fucking autistics I tell ya...good old nintendo wins everything. Back to polishing my amiibo collection and replaying star fox zero AGAIN *sigh*
>>336339991
>comparing two completely different games and genres
>>336331137
>>336339991
The same ign that rated Sonic 06 better than Sonic Unleashed.
That IGN, huh
