Superficially what do you think is the coolest tool for casters to use? (wands, staffs, tomes / scripture, or bare hands ect.)
>>336272273
I've always found casters using tomes to be badass we need more games like this.
Ive always thought of it this way
Magical Objects vs Magical Ability
>the weaker the object the more you magical ability you have to use
Hands--All magic has to be provided by you
Wands--Weak but fast
Rods/Sceptres--Medium and Medium
Staffs--Slow but Powerful
Tomes--Magic spells provide power but you are worthless without it
>>336272430
I agree. That's one of the reasons why I liked Charlotte from Castlevania so much. That and her victory stance.
>not using shields to act as conduits for magic
>>336272823
That sounds about right, I like the idea of wands being fast. I'm trying to think of a character who is incredibly wealthy and buys magic tools to use but posses no skills of his own so by your chart I guess he'd use tomes / wand. Casting from the hand always looks intimidating
>>336272273
It really depends. Some characters look better with staffs, some with tomes, and some with runic energy/bare hands.
Tomes are great. I love it.
>>336272273
Fancy looking maces
>>336272823
>no orb
you had one job, anon.
Post pictures. Pictures of casters
>>336273721
Tomes a best
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TIA-2GQdQM8#t=1m50s
Staffs aren't bad either. Wands are silly, no matter how much harry potter wanted them to be cool. Barehanded magic should only be done to show that the caster has godlike powers
You can use tomes to bash people in their head.
>>336273804
tomes/orbs
basically it falls under the "object has all the magical power" category anon
>>336272273
Their hands.
>>336274014
Bare hand magical ability can be improved or buffed with tattoos of alchemical equations or scriptures.
What category do enchanted weapons/weapon enchanting fall under?
![kingdoms-of-amalur-reckoning-20111101040328516[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/IThwUTl.jpg "kingdoms-of-amalur-reckoning-20111101040328516[1].jpg")
Tomes > Staves > Hands > Wands > Rods
Unconventional weapons like chakrams are better than all tho
>>336272273
Summoning circles that are actually drawn out. Like in Full Metal Alchemist.
A simpler device might be something like "celestial chalk". A piece of magic chalk that never runs out. And it can be used to write in mid air. So essentially, you could make summoning circles anywhere.
I suppose Okami did something like that already with the celestial brush.
>>336274328
enchantments I would say fall under whatever category they are similar in size too, while someone with great skill could enchant a dagger or a wand to be more powerful than a sword or a staff, that same person enchanting a sword or a staff would be much more powerful
same speeds apply
>>336274014
I always thought the tomes acted as a focus that also had the spells written in them but without the user's magic it was just a book
>>336273870
Nothing. Not even hands.
>>336274319
I like this concept.
In one campaign I ran there was a race a race of beings who had metallic body prosthetics that had runes and inscriptions carved into them.
The type and purity of the metal used for the prosthetic would help increase the magical flow from the user to the runes.
So you had an entire race of half mechanical magical beings with passive enhancement magic all over their bodies.
It had a kind of like a Asura's Wrath aesthetic.
>>336274620
That sounds incredible, would love to see that.
>>336274778
thats more a personal preference though, some stories have it where a normal person can use magic spells because the spells themselves are magic, while other stories are harry potter where wands and spells just focus personal magic ability
>tomes that scroll through their pages rapidly when casting a spell
>>336272823
I like to think of objects as being amplifiers. Not actually having magic themselves.
Wands, rods and staffs have varying amplifying abilities. But the magic is 100% coming from the user.
Tombs would be for using abstract geometry to conjure/summon things that you couldn't otherwise.
>>336273804
Orbs are gay as fuck
Magic granted from a much stronger being being sealed inside of your body was always mega cool
too bad it's really common
>>336275287
Yeah, I still think they amplify and are multiplied by peoples magical abilities just that some objects are also magic themselves
plus it accounts for things like magic crystals or objects that are used in staffs and rods
and magic that can be used by normal people
>>336275534
All I can think of is Naruto can you give more examples?
>>336275287
>tombs
>>336275661
YuGiOH and Shaman King come to mind
bo staff would be cool, channeling magic while doing martial arts. like making a huge magical spear that extends
>>336275041
Anything like Asura's Wrath has my attention
Whats the name of the game??
>>336272273
>bare hands
Low testosterone wizards don't deserve to use their bare hands and must use staffs and wands at all times.
Using bare hands is reserved for based Ki masters.
>>336272273
Bare hands, or staffs
Staffs can look cool and someone casting magic with nothing but there hands is boss.
>>336275661
Toriko
>>336275602
>plus it accounts for things like magic crystals or objects that are used in staffs and rods
That's true. I suppose some objects would actually have magic. But how much magic can a crystal produce, before it's spent? Let's just say, for hypothetical purposes, that crystals and other magical artifacts can be spent. Wouldn't that mean that the crystal is a mere container? Then wouldn't the crystal on the staff be just a place for the user to store magical energy? Like, on your down time, you just store that shit up in a crystal. Put that crystal on the staff, and then you get extra power that way.
>>336275679
My mistake. I'm not that familiar with this magic stuff. Just giving my two cents.
>>336272273
Magic circles man.
>>336275976
While you're busy casting Fist, I'll be over here opening portals to other worlds and figuring out how to attain godhood with my tome.
>>336272273
>ctrl+f
>no dolls/voodoo
>>336275078
Glad someone else thinks so.
But just to be clear. I don't want any of those pansy automatic magic circles that just show up out of no where. I hate that. The magician should need to actually draw it out. Or at least have a cheat sheet with it pre-drawn or something.
>>336275661
Hiei and the Dark Flame Dragon
The Fairy Tail dragon slayers
Dragons from Highschool DxD
>>336272273
Just unlocked Epona on Lengens yesterday. Does people really enjoy it? I found it kinda hard to dominate, kinda unpredictable since attacking makes her advance
Through their feet.
>>336275925
It was a tabletop with a setting our DM wrote.
sorry man
>>336272273
Staffs and bare hands.
Magical Guns and Ammunition that require incantations
>>336276471
Magic that requires ritualistic dancing to cast or perform?
That sounds pretty awesome
>>336272273
+1 for sceptors/rods. They seem the most relevant for having melee attacks in addition to spells, and the thought of one being used like Bloodborne's Tonitrus is pry cool.
>>336276086
It depends, I think some objects can be refilled and depleted sure, but why couldnt there be something that refills itself naturally like a person would? It could still be overused/damaged
>>336272430
I saw this cool piece of art with a female mage who cast spells by ripping out pages from a book and burning them.
I think she did the same with a scroll.
>>336277656
>why couldn't there be something that refills itself naturally like a person would?
That could work too. I'm just not a fan of the idea, because it seems too cheap. To have this object that just automatically fills itself with magical energy. It feels imbalanced. Like, you could probably create more interesting systems based on a depleting resource, rather than an infinite replenishing one.
Unless the object's self-replenishing ability takes a substantial amount of time.
>>336278680
>Its on a meter that drains on use but after a kill it partially refills
>>336277656
Even in stories with magic, it's drawn upon as a noninfinite energy source.
Magic the Gathering channels essence from landmasses attributable to five primary delineations
Many games draw on the mental fatigue of their caster and thus replenish spellcasting on rest or after eating some carbs
While it isn't applied in any game I can think of, even magic tied to objects like scrolls requires some magic to be expended in the making of the scroll in the first place.
TLDR, even magic is typically bound by the first law of thermal dynamics.
>>336279060
Is that Hitomoi Tanaka?
>>336272273
Their brain.
Remove magic.
In future we use PSI.
Jewelry is awesome. Magic rings, tiara's and bracelets.
>>336272273
Staves are the best. Quarterstaves are good, too.
>>336277632
A rod is basically just a short staff, though, and a mage will generally want something with reach that they can use to keep people at a distance.
>>336272273
Swords
>>336280718
I assume when there is a separation between the two being made, a staff is essentially just a long stick of some magical wood or other material, while a rod/sceptor is a metal or wood stick with a magic-infused gem at one end.
>>336275661
Witch Craft Works, sort of. The MC has some super-powerful magic being inside him, but it's his protector/girlfriend who draws on its power to use magic, not him.
>>336272273
Their hands
>>336281760
>a staff is essentially just a long stick of some magical wood or other material
That's more of a quarterstaff. A magic staff looks like >>336280413, so basically a longer version of a rod.
>>336282612
Well, terms establishes, I still would say I prefer a rod aesthetically. A staff in that sense would require a two-handed technique and would forgo the use of off-hand and complimentary tools.
I've never been one for dedicated casters, so I like the idea of something more akin to a spellsword, and a sceptor allows that to happen with the casting item itself.
>>336283292
That's fair. I do prefer dedicated casters, for whom a staff is all that's necessary.
>>336272273
Scriptures are always cool, be it tomes, scrolls or funky tattoos on the caster
>>336273870
>anything
Spells being tied to individual "magic items" or tools like Bloodborne.
I only ever played arcane builds and some of the spells were a bit underwhelming, but I just really liked the idea.
>>336275287
Nah, tomes are for reciting lines of very long incantations and maybe having pre-drawn circles of power and whatnot. But I like to think the pre-drawn circles are too small for most of the kinds of sorceries you'd use circles of power for.
>>336279060
So Madoka.
>>336285814
Incantations are lame. You can't just conjure magic based on the words you say.
And besides, one should have the incantations memorized, if they want to be effective. Otherwise, they're like Velma losing her glasses.
>My tome, my tome! I can't conjure anything without my tome!
The circles from the book can be traced with your magic, and imprinted in larger spaces. But the geometry is too complex for you to draw the circle on your own. That's why you use your magic to get an imprint of the geometry, and then created a larger circle. Sort of like using silly putty on ink, and then stretching the putty to make larger.
>>336276974
How about guns that shoot pre-made spells contained in bullets?
>>336286508
Well the words are magic words of power, so of course you can conjure magic with them. And they're very long incantations that can't really be memorized terribly well, like 100+ lines. Simple shit like:
>SATOR
>AREPO
>TENET
>OPERA
>ROTAS
obviously can be memorized.
Incantations are also cool, certainly cooler than stupid mana meters and fantasy that treats magic like science.
>>336286612
Alchemy guns aren't magic dumb dumb
>>336286902
>word of power
Seriously? You just say a word, and *poof* you're a magician? Who or what even acknowledges these words? Who/what is listening, and going "yep, they said the correct word, let's give them power"
>>336286612
That's just a scroll for the illiterate
>>336286612
Gun Magic is top tier.
>>336287013
What if the bullets are pieces of your soul? That sounds like magic.
>>336287137
It's the knowledge of the occult that gives you power. And no one is making the words work, the words are the power. Do you even gnosticism or cabal?
>>336275287
This. I HATE when a game makes a caster's spellcasting animation center on a staff or something (fucking FF14 is the WORST about this), unless the magic is something that directly affects the item (such as making a staff's crystal burst into light).
I like my magic coming straight from the caster, not the item. Sure, it can be an amplifier of some sort that strengthens the caster in some way, but it shouldn't be where the majority of spells or spell animations come from.
>>336287443
>It's the knowledge of the occult that gives you power.
Just knowing things gives you power? If that's the case, then why do you need to recite the words? You already know the meaning of the scripture. What significance do the words have?
>Do you even gnosticism or cabal?
Nope. But I'm open to enlightenment. Care to explain?
I like different methods for different casters.
What I'd love to see more of is casting in melee range, for example a magician getting an angry wrestling brute off him using a superheated hand or so.
>>336287772
Magic will always be a contrivance. We can only hope it's explained sensibly or ignored alltogether.
I liked how the did it in the Witcher universe, where magic resides in nodes or sources around the world, requiring a talent of sensitivity to perceive them and channel it's power using gestures and shit like that.
So, it would be easier to harness and control the magic coming from a solid source, like water, rather than a more volatile one, like the wind, even though a body of water that is a source of magic is not as easily available as drawing the sparce magic flowing through the wind.
It also explains how witchers can use minor magic even tough they're not necessarily born with the required sensitivity, but the mutation process enhanced that ability slightly.
>>336288216
>Just knowing things gives you power
Nah the application of your knowledge does. And reciting the words is that application. The significance is they're fucking magic I aint gotta explain shit.
>Open to Enlightenment
I hope you're 42 and have children. Prepare to be illuminated.
They're just two religious groups that wrote a bunch of grimoirs for casting magic spells or summoning/controlling demons, i.e. Key of Solomon. The Kabbalah is Jewish and Gnosticism is Christian.
If you're not familiar with the bible, King Solomon was supposedly given knowledge of how to control demons by God to build the great temple. The Key of Solomon is supposedly the book on demonology and the occult he wrote.
>>336289280
>I hope you're 42 and have children.
Not him, but what would that have to do with anything?
>>336289430
Those were two requirements to be a member of the Kabbalah.
>>336289682
What about Gnosticism? Any requirements there?
>>336289280
Reciting words isn't applying knowledge. It's just saying the words.
Incantations make more sense with the bible structure surrounding it. Because then you can imagine someone or something is listening to your words. But you already said that no one is listening. So in that case, all the bible stuff just because superfluous nonsense.
>>336290017
Not that I know of. But gnosticism is an extremely vague term that referred to a lot of groups with similar beliefs, so there might be one gnostic group with bizarre requirements.
>>336290270
You're applying the knowledge of what words to say. The knowledge is knowing that certain words exist and do certain things. In the end I think you don't believe in magic words. It's okay, you're not unique in being impossible to enlighten.
>>336290594
stealth /x/ thread post more occult
