>thirty-four United States dollars and ninety-three cents for seven characters
This is EXCEPTIONALLY Jewish of Nintendo.
>>336268952
Nintendo has been on a downward spiral. I mean one game at E3? They need to get their shit together.
And no more DLC characters coming
>Lack of transparency in the fucking polls regarding Bayonetta
>>336270138
>Lack of transparency
The saltyness will never end.
Then don't buy them.
Was thinking about this a lot today, played off my 3ds with a friend on his wii u, I have cloud and he doesn't, so I can't fucking use Cloud.
Saw a Ryu amiibo in store that day too, even if I fucking bought the amiibo I wouldn't unlock the character in smash. Glad I'm never buying another one of their systems
>>336268952
You left out the 3 stages, Gaylord.
>>336268952
Even worse is that Roy is fucking bottom tier garbage
>Marth clone
>Ness clone
>3 character no one enjoys fighting
>Mewtwo and Ryu
Spend wisely dumb buyer
I wish all DLC characters were as well designed as Ryu
>Street Fighter IV has four different versions over the course of its lifetime
>Forced to buy SSFIV to continue playing online, AE and Ultra both update the software
>Not including costume DLC for every character
The retard screams "B-but it's not fair!", the person who actually plays the game says "It's not FOR you."
Protip: if you're not constantly playing the game and wanting more from it, then those characters aren't for you. Ultra Street Fighter IV is not designed for people who bought SFIV on launch and played a few times online and gave it up. It's for fighting game players. Same thing with these characters, and the same thing with SFV's characters. If you think that five dollars for a brand new character in a fighting game is expensive, then guess what? You're not the target market.
>three MORE anime swordsmen
>a clone
>two characters that no one enjoys fighting against
>Ryu
Tough decision.
Remember all that tough talk about not doing DLC before the Wii U came out? Funny how things change when you don't move any units.
>0 dollars with hacked 3DS
Top kek
>>336271635
>playing smash 4 without a gamecube controller
Toppest kek
>>336270759
and the trophies
>tfw all my favorite characters just happen to be DLC
>main Corrin
>secondary Lucas
>have tons of fun playing Ryu, Cloud and Mewtwo
>Roy and Bayo are the only ones i dont care much for but at that point might as well just get them all in the bundle to save the $
>>336271747
>still using the gc controller
>not using pro master race
kek
>>336270365
I'm glad as fuck bayo is in but you gotta admit the character poll was an astounding amount of bullshit
>>336272008
>wireless
>no octagonal gate so less precise angles
>no clear shell option
It's shit
>>336272414
>can't get precise angles without the controller helping
>muh glossy is a bad thing meme
>liking the shitty as fuck L R the gc has
>not using the extra buttons
>that dpad
I understand melee, but dragging that old dirt is autistic af
>>336268952
I paid $30 and skipped Roy. :^)
I didn't buy any of them. Was thinking about Bayo and Ryu, are they worth it?
>>336272725
>d pad
>smash
>octagonal is still superior
>less shell options makes your controller looks super basic
>the l and r are great, you are shit
>the extra buttons aren't need
Also GC controller can be used for Gamecube and Wii games.
Wii U pro is only for Wii U.
Gamecube controllers are cheaper
>>336273106
Bayo's boring to play and it really comes down to you using auto-combos. She's not good in any single-player modes either.
Ryu is super fun and the SF inputs are super cool, really helps as a gateway to Street Fighter, and it helps me remember my SFV inputs.
>>336273106
Bayo is good for losing friends and winning locals.
Ryu is great and will improve your life
>>336273237
>>the extra buttons aren't need
>being a casual
>Wii U pro is only for Wii U.
can be used for gamecube games and pc games, it also doesn't need a motherfucking adapter
Overall the pro controller just feel better on your hands as well
>>336271807
>forgetting the CDs
>>336273275
>>336273438
Hmm, think I might go for Ryu then. I liked doing the blue fireball when my friend let me play with his 3ds.
I regret buying corrin and lucas tbqh.
>>336268952
I bought Ryu, Cloud and Bayo.
Cry all you want, they're all great.
>>336273484
>using a wii u controller
>calling anyone a casual
It can used for gc games on wii u where it's laggy already
Also if you aren't using a 360/DS4/XBone controller for PC games you're a retard.
Comfiness of a controller is subjective
>>336273934
The Wii U pro controller is the best controller this gen. Maybe even of all time.
ALL TIME
>>336273934
>360/DS4/XBone
Why the fuck would I use that when I can use the pro for pc games? They are shittier. They all feel like the beta test for the pro
As opposed to pic related?
>$674.80 USD for 20 costume sets
I think we got off easy.
>>336275203
>Wrong
>>336270138
There certainly was something they didn't want people to see on the poll.
Japan got to see their results.
>>336275956
Nope.
Long battery, work on PC, Steam Link and even other consoles easily.
It's great.
>>336275956
well, it is a pro isn't it?
Wait, are you telling me you can plug and play a pro controller on PC?
>>336275203
Is the d-pad good?
>>336276553
Probably the best since the N64.
>>336273882
>cry all you want coz i spent money in dlc's xD
Retard.
>>336276205
>dildo
lol fucking faggot
>>336276495
Why couldnt you? You still need a Blutooth adapter to read it since the USB is only for charging.
>>336271601
Considering the Wii couldn't do DLC since it had an extremely small hard drive with no room for such things, no shit there was no talk about it. And Sakurai said he wasn't going to do DLC until after the game was complete and released, which is what happened.
>>336268952
Good thing you only need to pay for it once, eh. And if you could afford the Wii-U and Smash 4, you could afford some DLC released every few months over another year.
>>336276797
There is no dil-do.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vyufDxxWIsM
>>336275203
Agreed 100%. Some people might complain about the lack of pressure sensitivity on the triggers, but for me that's a huge plus.
Also, does this thing has a nuclear reactor for energy supply? Shit lasts an eternity.
>>336276553
It's fucking great. It only looses to the classic controller (the first one) for the wii, but it's extremely similar nonetheless.
>>336270365
You will never in a million years convince me Bayonetta was more popular than these little shits.
>b-but muh ink mechanics
I mean sure that's probably the reason they didn't get in but fags posting about "salty tears" need to fuck off, there's no chance in hell their waifu actually got the most overall votes.I'd rather cut Corrin anyway what a shitty fucking character.
>>336276495
I have mine plugged right now. Though the adapter is relatively expensive.
>>336272330
They never said the winner of the ballot would be selected.
>>336276992
I think I did at least 30 hours on it. It's crazy how not having a flashlight in front of it help.
>>336276992
>the lack of pressure sensitivity on the triggers, but for me that's a huge plus.
My nigga. I can't believe there are actually people who prefer useless mushy analog triggers over digital, when 90% of games don't even use the analog functionality
>>336277287
>not enjoying the satisfying as fuck clacking from the Gamecube's shoulder buttons
The fuck outta here nigger
>>336277143
you're joking right. I mean do you have any awareness at all. Do you seriously think those squid kids would be more popular than Bayonetta? I don't even understand...
DLC truly is the future.
>>336277562
Do you? Do I need to pull sales figures , or cite the fact that the Japs are having Miku style holoconcerts about the game? If anyone's delusional here it's you.
>>336268952
>not mentioning stages, music or trophies
Why are poorfags always so stupid?
>>336277401
I have the feeling I got fucked by buying a 3rd party GC controller because that shit was HUGE. As a direct result, it felt a bit clunky, specially with the shoulder buttons and the D pad, ehich was one of those full circle ones.
I always get confused when people praise its D pad.
I love Bayonetta and am very happy she's in, but I still admit it's pretty fishy.
>#1 choice in Europe
>among the Top 5 in the US, likely right at #5
>Japan's poll absent
Of course, I can only imagine the American poll's top 4, because we're a bunch of trolls and idiots it very likely was
#1: Goku
#2: Shrek
#3: Darth Vader
#4: Trump
or something similar. So Sakurai pruned away the retarded shit and was left with Bayo as the top character. Also the "negotiable and realizable" part should have told everyone that indies and characters from companies that are big rivals to Nintendo were never getting in.
>>336277767
The only problem with the GC Dpad was that it was tiny, if it had been a bit bigger it's have been great.
>>336277728
the game is good but for smash, nobody voted for her bro.
>>336277143
Not just nintendo owners focused on nintendo only products could vote in that ballot anon.
Anyone could vote, hell i bet a sonyfag who didn't even have a wii u voted for someone.
>>336277562
Granted, Bayonetta makes much more sense as a character in a fighting game, but by popularity alone the inklings blow her out of the water.
But hey, what do I care? I'm too busy being salty for the lack of Shantae, which incidentally also had a significant amount of hype behind her. So much so that it makes me even more skeptical about the honesty of the ballout.
>>336277753
Paying money for more content is ultimate Jew, all of that should have been put into the base game, making people pay to win is stupid, etc etc.
>>336268952
>That Mewtwo pose
>>336277198
They literally referred to her as #1 out of realizable characters. Now, when you think of a character that isn't realizable, shit like Goku, Shrek, and LeBron come to mind. However, we don't really know what that actually means.
I'm glad Bayonetta got in over K. Rool, Ridley, Inklings, and a myriad of other characters, but I doubt she beat them. "Realizable" just means characters they WANTED to make, not characters they COULD make.
>>336277179
>adapter
>for a pro controller on pc
you wot.
>>336278103
I think this anon has it right
>>336278048
When you consider that splatoon only sold a few million units, and you have a poll in which millions more vote, and they are most likely 3rd parties... you could probably connect the dots.
Indies were a never ever, same with rivals I thought people knew this.
Or it could have just been pure marketing, who knows?
>>336278048
Even if they did I still sincerely doubt she got more votes. The Japs alone could've carried the squids to victory and I can guranfuckingtee a shit ton of Japs voted for the squidkids, they're crazy for Splatoon over there.
>>336278440
>I'm glad Bayonetta got in over K. Rool, Ridley, Inklings, and a myriad of other characters
I'll never undersand the people who say "I'm happy this non-Nintendo character got into a Nintendo crossover instead of all these Nintendo characters".
>>336278120
>wanting teh base game to be delayed until the current year
>>336278619
Bayonetta is a Nintendo character though.
>>336278545
Splatoon outsold both Bayo games combined though I'm pretty sure. I really don't even have a problem with Bayo being in the game I think she's actually a pretty fantastic fit, it's just that I absolutely do not buy that she was the most requested choice even putting aside dumbass shit like Shrek and Goku.
>>336278103
>but by popularity alone the inklings blow her out of the water
Were the inklings even that popular when the majority of the poll was happening? I know the reveal got some attention, but I didn't see the explosion in popularity until the actual release, which was well after the poll began and near its conclusion, if I recall correctly.
>>336278621
I honestly wish Sakurai had waited to start working on Smash 4 until either last yea ror now, because then we could have
-the Star Fox characters with their Zero designs, Wolf back, a Zero stage, and Zero music
-Inklings, a Splatoon stage, and Splatoon music
-the Zelda cast in their Hyrule Warriors designs with HW music
-Ice Climbers possibly back since the New 3DS is stronger than the old 3DS
>>336268952
You're about five months too late my friend.
>>336270138
>>336272330
>>336278440
What? Morons like you just didn't pay attention. It was said from the beginning the poll votes did not determine the winner. They were never going to. It was to get ideas.
In other words it never mattered. There was no bullshit involved and whether they lied about the results to hype her up or not makes zero difference.
>>336278971
The poll opened in February or March I think and Splatoon released in May, and the poll didn't close until September, there was plenty of time.
>>336278503
Pro controller is nice if you get it working for PC. What's the problem? I prefer xbox myself but have tried the pro and it works great.
>>336278547
>>336278920
Splatoon only sold a few million total. If the ballot was "nintendo owners only" I would agree but...
...There are probably 100+million plus people who play vidya and threw a vote in for lulz, it makes sense to me but again they could have just done it for marketing... smash is just that now.
Also forgot to mention the multiple votes probably weren't thrown away either. (they had no way to protect against bots, the poll was a shitshow either way)
>>336279114
>-the Star Fox characters with their Zero designs, Wolf back, a Zero stage, and Zero music
Instead of that we got Zero Wolf in it
>>336279364
>only 3 million
For a brand-new IP, that's a damn big number. Especially for a genre Nintendo's never done before.
>>336277143
They need to save some Nintendo characters that are still relevant for a sequel. Inklings will be an obvious addition since it is one of the few new popular IPs to come out after Smash 4.
>>336279442
I see what you did there, and I'm going to assume you're glad Wolf didn't come back.
that is on par on what Capcom is charging. At least you can grind for characters. But Nintendo isn't your friend, they are a company looking to make money off of you.
>>336279589
Not when the wii u's install base is that low it isnt, but anyway it still did well.
>>336271430
>actually implying Corrin, Cloud, and Roy play the same
Just admit you hate anime like an autist already.
>>336279914
>companies make money
Hold the presses. They need to pay their bills, rents, employees, and for the materials needed to make things just like everyone else. If you don't want what they offer, especially optional material, you're not being forced to pay for it. Either pirate it and slap yourself on the back or go on with your life.
>>336279249
>LITERALLY REFERRED TO AS #1 OUT OF REALIZABLE CHARACTERS
>The votes didn't matter
Who's a moron exactly?
>>336279442
Nice joke.
But it's a shame the window's closed for Wolf to get into Smash 4. Instead of yet another Landmaster, he could've had his Wolfen/Blade Wolf transformer in Zero as his Final Smash.
>>336280207
>Who's a moron exactly?
The people who wasted their votes on Goku/Madara/Shrek thinking they were funny and then complained when Cloud and Bayonetta made the cut.
>>336280276
You are daydreaming too much. If he was in it, you can bet your ass samurai would have given him the same FS as brawl
>>336270072
One playable game. They're still showing other games.
>>336279249
>It was said from the beginning the poll votes did not determine the winner
Actually, that was never stated. It's a smart thought to infer, but it was never substantiated. Bayonetta was called the number one pick anyway, out of "realizable" characters. Plus, the votes mattering wasn't my point so much that the definition of "realizable" might be looser than we're logically lead to think.
>>336280447
You know what?I completely agree with you.
>>336276205
Procube has a longer battery life
Works on PC
And Other Consoles.
>>336276392
Yes.
>>336270072
They do everything in directs now, they are done with e3
>>336279357
Not only this, but Splatoon was the most hyped nintendo game since probably fucking Twilight Princess. That shit was insanity.
I was there when the first porn image came out literally 11 minutes after the reveal of the game during E3 2014. I saw the unstopable threads that almost got a containment board of their own.
One could argue that was only on 4chan and not representative of the general opninion, but the hype sure as hell seemed strong enough to overshadow pretty much any other recent Nintendo game, maybe even Awakening, and people only got crazy after that one AFTER launch.
>>336280737
So it's a worst Wii U Pro controller. Cool.
>>336280790
Not done. Just dont see the point of not pre recording everything.
>>336280276
>implying Sakurai would go to that much effort
The only characters who got their FSs changed were Kirby and Dedede (Sakurai's babies), Luigi, Zero Suit Samus (because she doesn't transform anymore), Charizard (because he's alone), and Pit (because Uprising). Dr. Mario has a clone FS of Mario's, Dark Pit has Zelda/Sheik's FS, and Lucina has Marth's. Even Roy has a clone FS. Wolf would have kept his FS if he'd come back.
But, honestly, I wouldn't care, because I just want him back, he was one of my best and favorite characters in Brawl. Sakurai didn't even explain why he was cut like he did with everyone else, and he got into Brawl because he was really quick and easy to make along with his popularity, you'd think they could have ported him over just as easily.
>>336280528
Exactly, people assume "realizable" meant "shit we can easily acquire the rights to" but it's likely more like "whatever Sakurai can be assed to make". Sakurai has and always will do whatever the fuck he wants regardless of what the fans want, whether you think that's good or not is a different question.
>>336280385
Cloud wasn't part of the ballot, doofus.
>>336280790
Good, because the treehouse format is really fun to watch. People sound less like actors there than the the guys speaking at conferences.
>It's only OK when everyone else but Nintendo does it.
>>336270138
I don't see why everyone got so butt blasted about the ballot.
>They never said there would be more than one pick
>They explicitly said the included character(s) could also not be the most voted
>They even said they could decide on characters before the deadline.
You want another character from the ballot? there's fucking Cloud in this game, if he wasn't included on his own (effectively removing him from the ballot) he would have curb-stomped Bayonetta on popularity
>>336280979
I'm sure they already knew what fans wanted without having to do a poll. I had always assumed the poll was just marketing rather than something that would actually make a difference in the game.
>>336280952
I just chalk it up to Sakurai and Nintendo being retarded and not using the power of marketing to its fullest potential.
Putting Corrin into Sm4sh helped sell Fates here, even offsetting the potential loss of sales from people boycotting it because of the localization issues. Putting Wolf in would have similarly helped shill for Zero, and would have even given them an excuse to make another Amiibo.
And it's not like they would have had to reinvent the wheel. Take Brawl Wolf, edit the properties of his moves to account for physics and balance changes between Brawl and Sm4sh, new Final Smash optional, and bam. Extra money for relatively little effort.
I own the real game, but a hacked 3DS. Where can I find the .cia file for the DLC?
>>336280952
I need to say this because some people don't get it yet.
Sakurai doesn't like porting, he's autistic, either you make it from scratch or he doesn't bother.
If you read the interview about wolf in brawl, sakurai seemed like he didn't want to put wolf in, but since he needed to fluff up the roster he threw him in. This time around he probably said "meh".
>"Wolf was very lucky to get in"
>Lucky
t. someone who has been following the man and his games for nearly all his life
>>336281607
3dsiso
>>336280885
>So it's just a worse Wii U pro Controller
Better, actually.
>>336281756
Worst second stick and Dpad.
>>336277728
>all of these great, recognizable Nintendo IPs
>then just fucking Lottie standing there
evrytiem
>>336270138
>Lack of transparency in the fucking polls regarding Bayonetta
Any results given would immediately be dismissed as fake by anyone whose character didn't make it.
>>336281726
Sakurai is an autistic fuck, then, because porting the data over and tweaking it while slapping a new model and some new animations on would have worked fine, especially since Smash 4 uses Brawl's engine anyway. Especially since he was making two games at the same time with no possibiliy of delaying them.
>"Wolf was very lucky to get in"
>Lucky
Bowser Jr. very nearly got axed from 4 except for one woman's extreme dedication and desire, and he was a brand-new unique character (though also yet another Mario character and a second Mario villain). If Sakurai allowed that he could have easily allowed Wolf to be brought back since he'd have taken far less time, especially since DLC is a thing for Smash 4 and he could have been made and released alongside Corrin and Bayo or back with Cloud.
>>336281826
So I assume you don't own one.
They fixed the D-pad.
As far as the C-stick goes..
>>336277901
>characters from companies that are big rivals to Nintendo were never getting in.
I'd say Cloud did a pretty good job making this debatable
>>336282629
Cloud's owned by Square Enix, a company that isn't competing against Nintendo, unlike Sony.
>>336275956
I read on
>>336282349
There's a reason why he left HAL anon, its because the kirby team kept making sequels over and over and he got bored. (well, that's one of the reasons)
He's starting to get the same way with smash, but he has this "this is muh vision!" thing about him that he wont ever let someone else touch his "masterpiece".
Even Iwata couldn't get him to port over melee for the wii, he doesn't like ports, he doesn't like repeating the same game over and over. Which is probably why he keeps changing the roster/gameplay every time.
He's an autistic fucker, but its very interesting to me at least.
>>336282916
>Even Iwata couldn't get him to port over melee for the wii,
that's not how it exactly worked. Iwata was only going to port Melee if Sakurai wasn't willing to work on a new game.
>>336282916
Yeah, time for this guy to move on to something else, because all he's doing right now is fucking up Smash Bros.
>>336283062
Point still stands that he doesn't like porting over characters. But thanks for the correction, multitasking is a bitch.
>>336282905
Every gc controller that isn't the original has shitty deadzones
>>336283642
He's already working on a new game, as for smash if the NX has something new about it he'll probably do something with it. I doubt he'll ever leave his masterpiece, what he's really known for.
Also, you bet your ass that whatever series he's working on, that main character will get in.
>people actually defend this
It's one thing to purchase them, it's another to defend it. If you buy it, just admit that you are a sucker that fell for Nintendo's scam.
>>336282905
The deadzones have been fine for me. It helps that the analog sticks have clickable buttons.
>buying any but bayo
>>336268952
>But it's okay when DOA, Mortal Kombat, Street Fighter, (insert other fighting games) do it
>>336284091
You people are worse than Truthers.
>>336284309
I bought ALL of them.
>>336284505
Congratulations you wasted your money.
>b-but there are more stages
And everyone will just turn them to their Omega version because they are too gimmicky so it's effectively just a re-skinned stage. Is that really worth 35 dollars?
>>336284727
To be fair, there's Dreamland 64 and if I remember right, Clock Tower is a legal stage, and Midgar would be the better Battlefield if it weren't for the summons
>>336285340
I'm sure the content is fine but just not worth the price. This kind of thing should cost 10-15 dollars for all of it.
>>336271635
how
>>336277143
Listen nigger, I don't care how buttfrustrated you are that your squid lolis didn't get in, Bayonetta is one of the best characters to ever appear in Smash. She plays so fucking well, the amount combos you can perform with her is astounding. You can't argue that her getting in wasn't an improvement overall.
>>336288069
>You can't argue that her getting in wasn't an improvement overall.
She's so good she almost has her own tier now. She's ruining smash as we speak
>>336268952
5.99 for based Bayo is too low. I was prepared to pay more than that because she is deserving of it
The other ones are too expensive tho
>>336284727
>hurr everyone is a tourneyfag like me abloobloobloo
I have yet to see anyone play on Omega Midgar or Omega Clock Tower online. I also enjoy playing on those stages offline. Go fuck a duck.
>>336289542
The point is that you wasted your money and the DLC should cost a third of what it actually costs.
>>336268952
Just get fucking Mewtwo and Cloud.
>>336281341
Literally only children and websites that are being payed to advertise this thinks it's worth any extra money.
>>336289684
The point is your opinions aren't facts and I don't give a fuck about your "waah waah teh JOOOOOOOOS!!" /v/irgin bullshit.
>>336290231
>your opinions aren't facts
I don't understand why Roy is in the game. No one in the history of the world has ever said "Oh boy I sure do hope they bring back inferior red marth" Was that just all moonland's work?
>>336290524
I liked him in Melee and wanted him back, and I'm glad Sakurai at least Luigified him a lot and made him a lot better. Of course, I'm of the mindset that you should never cut characters from a roster, since that's one of the most important parts of a game like this.
>>336290524
What I don't understand is why people are so blasted that he is in
He is just a fine addition. nothing really offensive
>>336284727
>dem implications
yeah nah
>>336277143
It's possible, guess you just got to live with the fact your waifu a shit and wait 10 years for the next game.
>>336290870
I'm not upset it's just baffling. He's an inferior marth clone and I don't ever remember him being popular in Melee. Also a fire emblem character, that doesn't bother me as much but the fact that he's a third clone swordsman and all from the same series. He's like Dr. Mario or Dark Pit but he got his own development cycle and price rather than just a fun bonus no one asked for.
>>336268952
I still can't believe pic related almost got in. My friend was pissed they picked Cloud over him.
>>336290870
Because people here get extremely angry seeing something they don't like in a game. The time making him could have gone to someone else like <insert name of character here>.
>>336291334
I would've preferred him. They attract basically the same audience and Sora has actually been on nintendo systems
>>336291334
Sakurai might have had to deal with Disney for Sora. Or Square was more insistent on Cloud to promote the FFVII remake.
>>336291334
Sora would have never gotten in
He is Disney preoperty
What even makes you think he almost made it in?
>>336291083
>original game costs 60 dollars and comes with 51 characters and 46 stages. Plus multiple game modes
>DLC doesn't even come with 1/7th the amount of content
>costs more than half the base game
yeah nah
>>336291646
Uh, they found his files in the updates you moron. He did almost get in.
You don't know if it was because of Disney or not. He is Square's property too.
>>336291683
>other people doing things I don't like with their money makes me need to whine and cry about it on an anime imageboard
You could find a cure of cancer if you put this kind of effort and time into it.
>>336291683
>DLC price should always be proportional to the base game's price, although it is completely optional and therefore some people won't buy it, which makes it less profitable than the actual base game
You people are never satisfied, it's that simple.
What's the price of DLC like in real fighting games, is it just as bad as Smash?
>>336292087
MK8 DLC expands the game 50% for 1/4th the price of the base game. Smash 4 DLC is just plain jewry.
>mfw people don't think they started working on Bayonetta 4 months before the ballot actually ending
>mfw people think Sakurai actually gave a shit about the ballot
Is pic related a braindead character to use /v/? Some guy at my local is insistent Bowser is braindead.
>>336292318
MK8 was also made by Nintendo by themselves. Smash 4 had three companies working on it, and they have to be paid, too. And why are you crying this much about something you buy once and never have to again? I'd understand the complaining if it was paying 15 bucks a month to be able to use them, but god damn, thirty-four dollars for seven characters and several stages is less than I have to pay for gas to get to and from work every week.
>>336291770
>He is Square's property too.
No, Every, and I mean EVERY Kingdom Hearts original characters, locations, terminologies, etc are contractually owned by Disney.
> Bayo SS ban tier
>Ryu, Cloud, Corrin A-B tier
>Mewtwo B tier
>Roy, Lucas F tier
Make your purchases wisely.
>>336292653
He's braindead in the way that you must be braindead to play him since you'll just get bodied by anyone of a similar skill level who uses an objectively better character
>>336292782
Is there a new official tier list, or are these rankings from out of your butt?
>>336292653
Nah, a bit methodical, but heavies are built to be. Hard reading terribads isn't difficult.
>>336292842
He meant braindead as in easy to use.
>>336292782
The F stands for fun, so i'll take them. I mean who the fuck would actually play this game in any kind of competitive aspect?
>>336292891
out of his butt as mewtwo have been scaling tiers as people learn how to play with him, corrin is nothing special and so could is either.
![[deathly silence].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/FprXOiY.jpg "[deathly silence].jpg")
>tfw every Smash game from now on will be fucked up by Sakurai
>the only way Sakurai won't fuck up a Smash game is if he dies before he can fuck it up
>even with his fucked hand he'll keep trying to work on the game
>he'll probably live longer than most of us
>>336292891
Official list hasn't been updated since Feb. Bayo hasn't been placed on the list, but guaranteed she's gonna get the Metaknight treatment.
Mewtwo with his fix made him immensely better. His official standing is F tier. Abadango proved that M2 is much more lethal than where he is currently listed under.
Everything else stands as official.
>>336293305
Sakurai said he's finished making Smash though.
Nintendo said they didn't necessary finish making Smash games.
>>336291770
What files exactly?
Remember that Sakurai's team is called Sora as well
>>336293531
I'm pretty sure he said Melee and Brawl was his last each time too.
>>336293305
Sakurai is the only person who can make Smash games.
>>336293539
Not him, but,
Sound files from KH2 if I remeber correctly.
>>336293648
That's what he seems to think, and I bet he believes it's the absolute truth of the universe.
its like buying a second game
>>336292653
Maybe before the nerf to his up throw there could be an argument for it. Now I would not consider him braindead because playing the neutral and getting in is still not that easy on a very fast and campy character as Bowser
>>336280207
So? What's that have to do with it? They never said she was picked because she was number "1".
They said before the poll started that the vote amounts will not be the determining factor, whether a character is first or not.
>>336268952
that image sums up perfectly what smash brothers has truly become.
>>336293712
Source and where can I hear the files?
>>336293847
That was his logic that u-throw and n-air/u-air was his b&b. I said no but we didn't go too far into it. It was ironic too as besides ocasionally near kill %, I'll use u-throw n-air but I mostly use my pummel and tilts or regular side tosses.
>>336293587
this might be it for real this time, he's basically only worked on smash as a favor to iwata, and he's dead
>>336293531
Who cares what he says, he'll do another one and everyone knows it. If not then someone else will.
>>336280952
Know whats funny? It would have taken Sakurai's team like, 3 days tops to put Wolf in 4.
t. Modder who knows all about smash's inner workings
I still can't believe Cloud, Snake and Ryu all got in Smash over that shitty Sony smash clone.
>>336289515
>because she is deserving of it
LOL
like yeah Bayo is cool, but she doesn't deserve to get into smash at all
>>336281341
because its the first time Nintendo has done it call of duty has done it wayy to long for anyone to still care
>>336294201
Snake didn't. What are you talking about?
>>336278619
>I'll never undersand the people who say "I'm happy this non-Nintendo character got into a Nintendo crossover instead of all these Nintendo characters".
How about this?
> I'm glad a colorful character that has next to no hope of getting in in different circumstances got in over Nintendo characters who are A) going to get in in future installments (that I personally doubt we'll ever see after Smash for (4) NX) or B) bottom of barrel characters people beg for for the sake of series representation and not on the merit of their characters.
>>336294201
Well, it makes sense. For all the shit the guy gets, Sakurai is still a prolific and respected game designer in Japan, to the point where many of the major publishers there like Sega and Capcom are more willing to entrust him with their important characters.
PSABR on the other hand was developed by some random newbie American studio. Why would Square Enix trust some no-names with their sacred cows like Cloud?
>>336294506
You have a point, but that game was produced by Sony, they love throwing around millions to do stupid shit. Maybe Sony themselves didn't want to pay Capcom or Square Enix for their characters.
>>336294423
>bottom of barrel characters people beg for for the sake of series representation and not on the merit of their characters.
So you're saying characters like Bowser Jr, Corin, and Sheik have far more character and are far more deserving than K. Rool, Ridley, Inkling, Saki, Isaac, Takamaru, Sabel Prince, Isaac, and several other characters from franchises that don't have reps?
>>336294783
Fun fact: Did you know that Naughty Dog was originally going to develop the game? Game would of been helluva alot better if they went through with it.
The story goes is that ND eventually decided to they wanted to mainly focus on getting The Last Of Us done so Sony decided to bring together a new B-team to work on it.
I'm still dissapointed that they chose Bayo over Wonder Red.
Like ok Bayo is neat n' all, but as a character she's kinda... meh. She's never been well written and her "over the top sexy action lady" gimmick isn't exactly unique.
W. Red is pretty much Bayo, but more.
>3rd party guest series will never get second characters
why live?
>>336295148
I would have liked Wonder Red more as well.
>>336295220
Well, in the future maybe.
Both SEGA and Capcom got 2 characters.
>>336293782
[Laughs]
So why does everyone hate Pichu?
I'm not pissed about Bayonetta getting in, I'm pissed that they pretend Bayo was literally the only character from the ballot that would've been possible, which is absolute bullshit and anyone can tell.
who wants to bet a mon from this will be in the NX port
>>336294054
>That was his logic that u-throw and n-air/u-air was his b&b
It is but since the nerf his hoo ha is not free anymore. It used to be active for like the biggest window in the world, killing at super early % and now it is not.
Now kills with Bowser aren't as free out of grabs and has to rely on air dodge reads, flying slam or other tilts
>>336294834
>So you're saying characters like Bowser Jr, Corin, and Sheik have far more character
First mistake:
The only character you listed there that anyone begged for was mah girl Kamui. And you know who begged for her? Friggin Intelligent Systems. Not the FE fan base. So of course, Sakurai, being the Ω FE fanboy he was destined to be, was going to cave to IS' demands.
So calm down homie before you start putting words in my mouth again.
>>336270787
>marth clone
Thats captain falcon with a sword
>ness clone
only special moves is similar, everything is pretty different
>3 character no one enjoys fighting
You are 100% correct with this statementeven though cloud is fun as fuck I fucking hate that he still a character in the game
>Mewtwo and Ryu
Mewtwo is either getting gud or just realizing hes meh tier
And ryu would be godlike if he could do shit off his grabs or has a kill throw.
>>336295552
I don't, and I'd like to see him back if only to take the "hurr joke character" title away from Jigglypuff. Even then he could have his own fun gimmicks.
-his Electric-based attacks are already stronger than Pikachu's, so keep that
-the self-damage recoil can remain as his handicap, but with Rage being a thing it can actually help him, self-recoil to 100%+ and throw out really strong Electric attacks
-his small size and high speed and agility can make him the dedicated chip damager, you dance around the opponent building his damage then run in and zap him to KO
-they can change a couple of his B moves to further differentiate him from Pikachu, such as change Skull Bash to Charge Beam (medium-range horizontal electric beam that gets stronger if used in succession and it hits the opponent each time) and Thunder to Discharge (creates a large Electric pulse around Pichu, holding B to charge it up makes it larger and stronger at the cost of more recoil)
>meanwhile Capcom charges 30 bucks for 6 characters that all play the same and nobody complains
>>336295148
I would have liked Wonder Red way more than Bayonetta, but I would have liked more to have Viewtiful Joe instead of bootleg Viewtiful Joe
>>336278397
>want to be in a relationship with a fem. mewtwo because it be godlike to have a down to earth physic type hug you and help you with your issues
Life gets more meaningless the more creative you try to be.
>>336294296
Sure. Whatever you say Sonygger
>EVO is getting closer
>No sight of a patch
Fugwhat if they nerfed shield regeneraton?
>>336296009
>that anyone begged for was mah girl Kamui
Nobody asked for Corn. He's literally the first badly received Smash character
>>336296067
This would've been so much better then "OC donut steel red marth"
>>336296381
>fem. mewtwo
Mewtwo has no gender or sexual orientation.
>>336296009
Care to show where people wee begging for Corrin? Because everywhere I looked, even Japanese sites, had people upset because of Corrin being in it. Sakurai himself said he wanted someone else as the "upcoming advertisement" character but the dev team talked him into it.
>>336296749
>Who is Dark Pit
>>336295552
Because we dont need a second, shittier pikachu.
>>336296670
I would like that but everyone here keeps talking as if a new patch was inevitable but what proof do you have that there will be another?
We will most likely be riding the Bayonetta witch twist ride forever
>>336296670
>get up attack eats up half sheild as is
>sm4sh has the most easy to break sheilds, 64 coming in second
I just want dash dancing melee/pm style so you dont have to rely on weird fox trot/bidou bullshit to be in neutral.
>>336296951
Not DLC, for one
>>336296873
>OC donut steel red marth
I'm going to assume that you're merely pretending to be retarded as fuck, because the idea of you actually being this retarded is dangerous to one's sanity.
>>336297010
>tfw would like Sm4sh substantially more if they reduced/removed magic ledge snap range, brought the blast zones in a bit more, and added jump momentum
such tiny things
So do you people think this shit's gonna happen?
>>336297236
>make falcon knee sweetspot like in melee where if you time it correctly it will be strong ithe will still not be godlike but hell be a tad more consistent
>make dreamland big like it has been
>make little mac not shit
A man can dream
>>336297063
Roy is literally 90% OC in sm4sh
>OC character design
>OC fighting style
>OC voice
He's only Roy in name
>>336297236
Blame the Tekken team. They're likely the reason why rage is a thing and rage is likely the reason why blast zones are huge.
>>336296978
But he would be better
We don't need Red or Girl Marth
>>336268952
>Bayo is pay2win to a point where no-name fags get wins on good players
>Cloud is powerful, his recovery is what keeps him from being godlike
>Mewtwo got buffed and is sort of okay but still a waste of money
>Roy is just sort of there... also a waste of money
>Ryu is a broken piece of shit against heavy characters due to his semi-infinite bullshit, and he can combo into a kill move because LEL
>Corrin has a bunch of bullshit
>Lucas is just there, not doing anything
4 out of 7 are relevant. One of them is slowly killing tournaments, and the others are waiting for their turn.
>>336297575
Doesnt matter. And that just furthers that we dont need it, there's too many as it stands.
>>336297508
I'm not even him, but wow, you really are fucking retarded. Who the fuck are you to say what a character isn't from the actual people who know them?
So then you can say that for every fucking character.
>>336297442
Dreamland probably wouldn't be legal if it was Melee big. It's already hard enough to kill in this game.
It's also still one of the harder stages to kill on. The ceiling is standard size but the sides are about as big as Battlefield's iirc.
>>336297508
>OC character design
Roy's design is a combination of his appearance as a Master Lord in Fire Emblem: The Binding Blade and his appearance as an Einherjar in Fire Emblem Awakening.
>OC fighting style
Is he supposed to simply stand in one spot and make one of three attack animations in between his idle poses?
>OC voice
It's the same voice actor from Melee.
>>336297442
1.1.6 Captain Falcon
>Groundspeed and airspeed buff (gotta go faster)
>Make knee and falcon punch stronger
>Buff falcon kick knockback and make the ledge version snap to the ledge, same for wizard's foot.
>>336297663
>So then you can say that for every fucking character.
Mario still looks, acts, and fights like Mario.
Sm4sh Roy is a FE character in the same way Lana is a Zelda character. In name only
>>336297632
Mewtwo won a major before literally all of those other characters. He's good, but you have to actually put time into him compared to Bayo or Cloud who you can pick up and for the most part get better results on average for less work.
Also the Ryu infinite/semi-infinite is fake as fuck, SDI nigga. Even big characters can get out of it.
>>336278830
>bayonetta is a nintendo character
loving
every
laugh
>>336297803
>Roy's design is a combination
No it fucking isn't
>Is he supposed to simply stand in one spot and make one of three attack animations in between his idle poses?
Why'd the give him some OC backwards sword style? Still OC bullshit
>It's the same voice actor from Melee.
Still smash invented
>>336297857
That doesn't make any god damn fucking sense.
I didn't know Mario can use FLUDD whenever he wanted, must be OC. I don't remember Mario doing a sliding kick, must be OC. I don't remember Mario doing a Crash Bandicoot spin to attack, must be OC.
Fact is, that is his character. Just like Roy. Roy still looks, acts, and fights like Roy.
God damn you are fucking silly. You can't make up your mind and you're just plain stupid as fuck.
>>336297662
Ah, the "I don't like them so remove them because they make me so angry seeing them" reason.
>>336297857
I don't recall Mario shooting gigantic spiraling fireballs in any of the Mario games, which means his Smash version is an OC as well.
Also, using your "reasoning", all of the FE characters are OCs because, unlike in a sprite-format turn-based RPG, a multiplayer fighting party game needs them both in 3D and having a lot more attacks and animations.
>>336297851
He doesn't need ground speed buff desu
I would buff nair because that feels inconsistent (worse with dorf) to connect both hits.
Increase initial uair hitbox(s) so that fast fall uair can actually hit people in front of your more often.
Make bair less shitty
Buff usmash (dorf's usmash ends on frame 42 while falcons ends on 52, come the fuck on)
As a general buff, remove the weight dependent throw bullshit on everyone who has it (aka heavier the character slower the animation and act out of grab slower) its just retarded and not fun to deal with, especially online.
>>336298125
>Mario shooting gigantic spiraling fireballs
Mario Bros for the nes. It's a power up on the first level..
>>336298125
Ah the "i have nothing so let me just be a glib shitposter" rebuttal.
>>336298098
>I didn't know Mario can use FLUDD
Sunshine. Go play it.
>>336270579
Using the 3ds as a controller blocks you from using their DLC? What the fuck?
>>336298336
So he does his Final Smash in Mario Bros for the nes, is what you are saying?
>>336298424
>anytime he wanted
Reading comprehension, go get it. Fucking retard, lol.
>thirty-four United States dollars and ninety-three cents for seven characters
>3 out of the 7 aren't even Nintendo characters
>Nintendo has to pay Capcom, Platinum, and Square Enix to use Ryu, Bayonetta, and Cloud
>A portion of the profit gained from those characters have to be paid to those companies as well
It would've been a lot cheaper if it was Daisy, Waluigi, and Toon Zelda instead of Ryu, Bayonetta, and Cloud
>4 characters, two being clones for 40 dollars
It's okay when sony does it
>>336298336
The single-screen game where you flip monsters over and kick them away? The fireball is an OBSTACLE. Dipshit.
Less than $5 dollars per character doesn't seem all that bad. Especially since Ryu and Bayonetta come with a stage..
>>336298423
That projection. You're the one throwing a shitfit over a character you don't like being in the game and demanding it be removed because it poops your panties. No one's forcing you to use it, so stop your bitching.
>>336298967
Only one shitfitting here is you m8. Sorry not sorry.
>>336270138
>Still mad Goku or Naruto didn't win
