3 is better IMO
>>336239302
You're allowed to be wrong, it's fine.
>>336239302
Opinions are not arguments
>>336239302
You're a retarded faggot IMO
new vegas is a rehash made 2 years later. it's odd how the perception of fable 3 was the complete opposite. a rehash made 2 years later but was shat on even though it's the same game with less jank.
just goes to show you how you should be wary of internet memethink bandwagoning and form your own opinions.
3 had much better graphics.
>>336239302
Why don't you argument your "opinions"?
Your O is wrong
>>336239302
3 is an actual Bethesda game, it's pretty good
How do you feel about Fallout 4? I think it's leagues better than the previous titles.
(X) You're wrong
(Y) You're an idiot
(A) Please leave
(B) *Glass OP*
>>336240090
i just thought that the exploration was better in 3
>>336240405
It's easily the best game this gen. I'm going to get the Season Pass and the GOTY Edition and the PS4.5 Remaster!
>>336239302
THIS TIMES A MILLION
It shocks me how much delusion there is on /v/, that there are people here who like that garbage shit game that is new vegas.
Just look at the brotherhood of steel, They are so puny in this game and who the fuck is the ncr and legion? I'm supposed to believe that 2 big armies just suddenly appeared 2 years after the events of Fallout 3 and are now fighting over a dam that somehow still works.
And whats with the enclave in new vegas? Their power armor looks dumb as fuck compared to the one in Fallout 3 and why are there m16s and barret 50 cals? fallout is 200 years after a 1950s nuclear war, not call of duty black ops.
>>336240501
New Vegas' overworld is riddled with invisible walls where it makes no sense to have them. Obsidian can't design true open worlds evidently and have to rely on PS2-era design.
>>336239302
ye. Bethesda never should've trusted their original ip to a no name dev like obsidian
>>336240675
The sad part is that I honestly can't tell if people are shitposting or if they genuinely believe that.
Fallout 3 actually feels like a post apocalypse game, its just more comfy.
>>336240552
You just know that there's a brainless shitter out there who actually thinks like this and it's making my blood boil
Reminder that when Obsidian has to make games on their own (instead of piggy backing off someone else's work) they either make garbage like Alpha Protocol or a mediocre 20 year-belated CRPG. Not even CDPR is this bad.
>>336241105
Neogaf also hates Bethesda.
>>336241105
the reality is that no one likes bethesda games outside of normies who never played any other rpgs
>>336240675
>This is the reason we don't get good games anymore
Why do we even keep hope?
>>336241005
while both games are shit beside few side quest, exploration in 3 felt way better
ether way, the managed to make the games look way to fucking ugly, like ps1 games look better in comparison
>>336241725
ummm who cares lol? they all probably suck compared to skyrim and fallout 4 any way lol and btw how many awards did "other rpgs" get compared to skyrim? i bet all of them combined cant reach the amount of medals skyrim so take that haha lol
>>336241061
>garbage like Alpha Protocol
PLEB
L
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>>336242347
Are there mods that fix a lot of the issues?
>there are people who enjoyed Dead Money
>>336243069
i doubt there are any total conversion mods for it.
>>336239302
It must be nice being retarded, you just don't care about anything.
>>336239302
Iagree
>>336239302
I have just started FONW, I like the setting and the dialogue, but the battle system seems pretty clunky.
>>336243069
Some ini-tweaks for the running/walking/turning speed helps quite a bit. Wish there were some unofficial patches but even with the bugs the game is wonderful.
you're dumb
>>336239302
Fuck off Todd.
>>336239302
I agree, and NV is shit IMO
>there are people who unironically think Fallout 3 and 4 are the best the series has to offer
>>336243523
that stuff on hardcore is the best experience ive ever had in any fallout game ever
>>336243523
>>there are people who enjoyed Old World Blues
>>336240405
Rant time.
>playing Fallout 4 on PS4
>installed Automatron a week back at level 25ish
>got the robot lady, got the robot building device, didn't feel like progressing the plot
>after all, building robots was the fun part
>Codsworth the Juggernaut
>last night, level 72
>time to get Automatron achievement
>first quest is bugged
>"don't use the robot builder until you complete this quest, if you do, revert to an earlier save before you did"
>50 levels and dozens of hours ago
>workaround online recommends uninstall whole game (PS4 can't just uninstall Automatron), reload save, it'll wipe Automatron stuff off of save file, save clean game, reinstall Automatron and go from there
>makes sense
>game takes 40 minutes to download and install
>everything works like a charm
>all Automatron stuff deleted and reset perfectly
>except Codsworth
>had Automatron upgrades, the game wiped him out entirely and since the base companion isn't DLC, didn't get reinstalled with Automatron
It's been a never ending nightmare of Bethesda glitchy fuckery and I'm about ready to vomit concentrated rage and hate.
Overall I rate 8.5/10.
What is the appeal of the fallout reboot series anyways?
>>336240672
Oh yes, Bethesda´s walls, invisible or otherwise, made soooo much more sense.
>>336240675
Oh, I assure you, they are dead serious.
You don´t shitpost like this under a name in a forum where you need to register.
>>336239302
What if Fallout was made by Japanese people?
new vegas = reddit
3 = 4chan
>>336247750
oblivion with guns.
Essentially.
Everything they taut they "conservated" from the originals is nothing people who liked 3 gave a fuck about, obvious really, because there is nothing there, except "War. War never changes." and some recognizable names and items.
>>336248234
>Implying Japs can make anything not vapid weeb paedophile fanservice bullshit or le ebic souls
>>336239302
2 is better IMO
>>336247750
Fallout universe is interesting on its own, all Bethesda had to do was to replace interesting gameplay with shootan and lootan
>>336243069
I played the steam version a few months back and ran into not a single bug
>>336239302
Yeah well your opinion is garbage, and so are you.
>>336240405
It's ok. I liked Nick and Curie a lot though.
>>336248234
You'd have more than one follower so you can have a harem
>>336240552
>>336248273
It's litterally the opposite, although I would argue that Reddit these days might be 4 instead.
>>336247668
>buying DLC
>for a Bethseda game
>on a console
>>336240552
Now this is bait
3 was good for exploring, New Vegas was good for story.
NV is a pile of shit. I couldn't stand that game beyond the first 5 minutes.
>>336250682
>didn't even go out of the character creation house
>thinks his opinion matters
>>336250682
> I couldn't stand that game beyond the first 5 minutes.
>>336239302
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wvwlt4FqmS0
Haven't seen this posted here in a long time
>>336250174
Fuck off, Fallout 3's exploration was shit. New Vegas wasn't great either but it was slight better than 3. The vaults in New Vegas alone beat the shit out of any location in 3.
>>336250682
I really hope the average NV hater isn't as stupid as you. Inb4 it's actually even worse.
>>336251034
That's kinda where the story aspect came in. The New Vegas vaults were much better, but landscape wise, New Vegas was all desert.
All-American is best raifuru.
>>336250682
Fallout 3's first part was shit. Like 20 minutes of looking at hideous Bethesda animations and scripted bullshit and cheesy dialogue and DUDE LIAM NEESON LMAO just let me play the game without this garbage attempt at "cinematic" feeling.
New Vegas and Morrowind have such good intros because it doesn't bullshit you and it lets you play the game.
>>336247668
>bought Bethesda DLC off his console
>>336250858
But what do they eat?
>>336251580
>want to replay F3
>start downloading
>50%
>remember that intro
>stop downloading
>>336248315
I wouldn't say that.
They're different games, but there are elements that 3 shares in common with the older games such as the lack of artificial barriers when exploring and the freedom when not on the main quest.
The main quest in Fallout 3 is garbage, but the side quests and everything else is on par with the older games.
>>336252043
>the side quests
yeah, all four of them
>>336252224
The 20 something side quests that are there are far more replayable than most of NV's side quests, since they have multiple branches.
>>336252958
you don't want to go there
>>336252958
anon...
don't get me wrong I like fo3 but nv quests have way more branching.
Queue the chart
>>336251580
>>336251762
You can literally get through it in 5 minutes if you skip dialogue.
>>336252958
>20 something
17*
>>336239302
>460 replies and 100 images
At least we can all agree on one thing: 4 is much worst than both of them.
>>336253232
Beyond the Beef is an exception to the rule.
Most of the quests in NV like Debt Collector and G.I Blues are completely linear.
Compare that to You Shoot Em In The Head or any other side quest from Fallout 3.
>>336254031
>G.I Blues
>completely linear
Oh. I get it. It's bait.
>>336254031
But most side quests in 3 are linear.
In nv the quests would be changed depending on which faction you were coming like the lucky old sun
Literally the same game.
Not like how Oblivion is hot garbage compared to Morrowind.
I can't wait to get NV for PC. My only experience is on PS3 and I'm sick of having to restart the game every 20 mins.
>>336254974
Have fun anon, NV is a great experience on PC especially with mods.
>>336255331
Yeah, I can't wait to go on Nexus for the first time and just have a blast.
Summer can't come quick enough.
>>336251580
>>336251762
I suppose you would think that if you only played it last year
>>336254671
There's a difference between sidequests in NV and sidequests in 3. That difference is that side quests in 3 are non-linear but self-contained, whereas sidequests in NV have an impact on the world but are linear.
The quests in NV don't matter as much as the effects that they have, which is why there are so many to choose from and why so many are complete shit.
The sidequests in 3 however, focus largely on getting the most value out of every scenario and this means that the quests in question are more fun and replayable.
You only need to see a flow chart of the average FO3 sidequests to see how much more replayable and refined each of the quests are.
>>336251580
Emerging from the vault into the wasteland was pretty sick back when it came out
>>336255715
That's sort of become a staple with Bethesda's Elder Scrolls/Fallout games.
Emerging from a vantage point and having your eyes adjust to a sweeping landscape.
>>336255863
It's a good way of introducing the player to the world.
They seriously fucked it up in Fallout 4 though, probably due to the protagonist's panting shattering the atmosphere.
>>336254974
I bought the Ultimate Edition yesterday for £5.49 on gamesplanet.
>>336255331
>especially with mods.
Are there recommended mods for the first playthrough, or vanilla is best first experience?
>>336255558
huh? I played it a month or two after playing NV on release, I'm pretty sure I didn't finish it though
3 > NV >>>>>>> 4
TUNNEL SNAKES RULE!
>>336248660
>all Bethesda had to do was to replace interesting gameplay with shootan and lootan
you mean replace a boring, overly-complicated snorefest with fun?
>>336240552
You're just a neet with infinite time and retarded opinions about video games that no healthy, normal human cares about.
Vegas is a more enjoyable game.
>>336256307
3 = NV > Nothing > 4
>>336239302
Objectively wrong.
>>336256278
Don't you think its hypocritical to call F3's animations terrible when NV is using the exact same engine?
Not to mention the intro is only roughly 10 minutes and can be done faster if you skip the dialogue.
Either way NV's intro lasts a few hours into the game. You're basically on a linear path until you reach Novac due to enemy placement and skill checks
>>336256246
Texture pack: http://www.nexusmods.com/newvegas/mods/43135/?
Fallout 4 quickloot system, really convenient: http://www.nexusmods.com/newvegas/mods/61666/?
Huge bugfix patch: http://www.nexusmods.com/newvegas/mods/51664/?
Removes the orange tint from everything, makes nights dark: http://www.nexusmods.com/newvegas/mods/34888/?
You also need: NVSE, NVAC and 4GBFNV
That's about it. I wouldn't do any gameplay altering mods on a first playthrough, save those for a second one.
>>336256896
>Either way NV's intro lasts a few hours into the game.
wat
>>336256994
Man, I love you.
>>336256896
I don't give a shit about animations, I hate the stretched out, pointless intro
Daily Reminder The Pitt should have been the setting of Fallout 3
>Some continued elements from the original games like the Brotherhood, but not butchered lore wise
>No ghouls, Enclave or Super Mutants
>Factions that are morally grey rather than black and white
>Different and interesting setting.
>People are actually building shit rather than living in corrugated iron huts
>Post, post apocalyptic like Fallout was supposed to be, rather than looking like the bombs hit two weeks ago
Shame the DLC itself was so rushed.
>>336256994
Seriously, quickloot is a revolutionary idea
>>336257073
Not him, but everything up until you reach Freeside is a tutorial and any attempt to deviate from the intended path is meet by pure anal rape from legions of Deathclaws.
At least in 3 you could rush through the tutorial in 5 to 10 minutes and make a save for future builds once you're done.
>>336257559
>but not butchered lore wise
post invalidated
>>336257228
Np. Couple I forgot:
Flora overhaul, breathes new life to the wasteland: http://www.nexusmods.com/newvegas/mods/39856/?
Excellent textures for most guns: http://www.nexusmods.com/newvegas/mods/38285/?
>>336255592
>side quests in 3 are non-linear but self-contained
most quests in 3 only have 1 ending where alot of nv have multiple ways to end
and 3's quests have no impact on the world while alot of nv's impact dialogue from main characters.
>The quests in NV don't matter as much as the effects that they have
Most of them do matter though and there are multiple ways to complete them. Nothing tops the feeling of having an effect on other areas of the game from side quests you did earlier. I like fo3 but the side quests dont offer that.
>The sidequests in 3 however, focus largely on getting the most value out of every scenario and this means that the quests in question are more fun and replayable.
I do agree somewhat. Its nice when the quest is secluded and doesnt depend on other factions and previous story requirements. This allows quests the wasteland survival guide from fo3 and crazy crazy crazy from nv which were both very fun for me.
>>336257716
Would you care to elaborate?
>>336257653
The tutorial is an optional Sunny Smiles quest. It's super easy to use the terrain to avoid the deathclaws.
I don't like being made to stay inside a vault for the beginning of the game.
>>336257570
Indeed, couldn't play without it anymore. Kind of surprising that nobody thought of it before the launch of Fallout 4 but oh well.
>>336256994
>Fallout 4 quickloot system, really convenient: http://www.nexusmods.com/newvegas/mods/61666/?
OH GOD MY DICK
I HATE LOOTING SO MUCH
>>336257653
>everything up until you reach Freeside is a tutorial
whoa anon thats just not true
>>336257653
>everything up until you reach Freeside is a tutorial and any attempt to deviate from the intended path is meet by pure anal rape from legions of Deathclaws
git fucking gud holy shit
New Vegas is objectively better. The reason I'm using that word is because I'm not a console babby and can mod the entirety of Fallout 3 into New Vegas anyway. Making Fallout 3 just half of the game I could be playing if I played New Vegas instead.
>>336257872
>>336257892
>>336257570
Does a version exist so it doesn't look like Fallout 4's overly green and cartoony style? I kinda want to use it, but only if it doesn't look/remind me of 4.
>>336258023
I reckon the colour changes to suit your HUD colour choice
>>336257950
>he plays TTW
What agood choice
>>336239302
I figure this is bait, but I actually agree with you. They're both good in their own right but the exploration and atmosphere and just general feeling of "woooooow this is so fucking cool!" You feel when you first play FO3 can't be replicated. Plus just the fact that Vegas was nearly untouched from the bombings didn't really sit well with me.
>>336258268
>They're both good in their own right but the exploration and atmosphere and just general feeling of "woooooow this is so fucking cool!"
Did you play Fallout 1/2 at all? My honest first impression of 3 was "why is everything a mess and where is everyone?"
Also the fact that you un-ironically used "atmosphere" in a pro-Fallout 3 argument is like poetry.
>>336257787
As explained in-game if you ever decide to play Fo3, the branch of the brotherhood featured in Fo3 has changed how they do things in order to keep the world from exploding in their faces, the old ways haven't worked for a very long time and so they've gone the friendlier route where they're guaranteed more allies than enemies.
Fo3 does not "recton" what the brotherhood used to be like, as there are brotherhood "outcasts" in Fo3 who behave the way the brotherhood does in 1&2
>>336258502
>did you even play Fallout 1/2?
No I did not, they're on the backlog though. Again, I'm not taking away anything from New Vegas or the other games in the series, I still really like it but I enjoyed 3 more.
>>336257761
Great, thanks a lot man.
>>336257850
>>336257915
>>336257943
Have you ever successfully strayed off the path before Novac?
I love NV don't get me wrong but its the same shit everytime.
Goodspring>Primm>Outpost>Nipton>Novac
After that you get more freedom since you've leveled enough to pass speech checks and have more killing power.
If you are seriously implying that you run through deathclaw/radscorpion/cazadore land with a varmint rifle good luck doing anything good afterwards since you'll be fucking underleveled when you get to NV.
F3 you can go anywhere after the Vault, no skill checks or set enemies. Pure bliss
Fallout 4 has better shooting mechanics than New Vegas, but that's it.
>Fallout 3
>better than anything
Ayy of the house of lmao.
>>336258502
>"why is everything a mess and where is everyone?"
The East Coast is the Fallout universe equvalent of Central Africa: Everyone's too busy participating in dick measuring contests to actually fix everything.
This retardation is probably due to the radiation effecting brain development since the east was hit harder by the bombs than the west.
>>336259068
If you go straight north to Goodsprings you'll be at Freeside, another low level area with a lot of quests
>>336259068
>F3 you can go anywhere after the Vault, no skill checks or set enemies. Pure bliss
Is complete level scaling and lack of skill choices a price worth paying for that?
Also, you sneak past the claws using two guaranteed Stealth Boys you can get in Goodsprings.
>>336258502
>"why is everything a mess and where is everyone?"
Because the east is uncivilized garbage lathered in feces so thick that you'd need a nuke to break through.
The west has cooperation, the west has people working together in mass quantities for different organizations.
The east only has the eastern branch of the Brotherhood of Steel
>>336257943
I never get why people say that.
I literally just went north on my first playtrough and made it to vegas on my first attempt.
Being chased by 5 deathclaws was fun.
>>336259189
North past the cazadore buttfuck land? Not trying to be a contrarian but Freeside quests are pretty terrible too, outside of the staples which require checks.
lol why dont you faggots just play Tale of Two Wastelands?
>>336259068
>F3 you can go anywhere after the Vault, no skill checks or set enemies
yeah, right to the end of the game
>>336258612
I'm glad you've opened this can of worms because I love it when people bring up the whole "Outcasts" bit.
Bethesda clearly forgot half way through development that the Brotherhood are not good guys. The Outcasts are last minute editions, tacked on to justify why the East Coast variants are "different". This is why the Outcasts serve zero purpose to F3 until the first DLC, which even then you don't even need the Outcasts to be there as they simply act as a gateway to the anchorage simulation.
That and in Fallout 4, Bethesda realised they fucked up, killed off most of the East Coast brotherhood, had that kid become the new leader, and then make them basically the same as the Outcasts, even though the East Coast brotherhood "won" the little war they were having.
If the East Coast brotherhood are so morally reprehensible, why then did they destroy The Pitt? This is never addressed when really it should be. The new brotherhood talk about "muh protecting project purity for the good of the people even though water purifiers are really common", why then did they decide to purge an entire city for no reason other than "they were raiders"? They didn't even take any tech with them. They just walked in, shot some people, then left. Didn't even finish the job either, because you have Ashur (who they left behind) turn up and say "raiders you work for me now"
>>336259232
As I said, you'll be horribly leveled, they clearly don't intend you to go off the main path.
The enemies do scale with your level though rather than being area specific difficulty wise
New vegas is literally built on top of everything that is fallout 3
You can't say you loved New vegas and HATED fallout 3, they're literally the same game, only one was made by a studio that pretentious assholes will blow because BETHESDA RUINED MUH FALLOUT
I liked them both, but New vegas is just a complete rehash of 3
There's barelly anything new in it in terms of gameplay, and what is, is fucked
Crafting is pointless, campfires are pointless etc
I only liked the disguise system
Story wise, it's just as generic as 3
Ceasers legion is one of the most retarded "bad guys" I've ever seen in a fucking video game
The writting is shit, just like in 3
But yea, same game, different splash of color with some neat added features
And THIS>>336259068
Is so fucking annoying
The game pushes you so hard to go to novac it's insane
Why does it do that?
What were the fucking devs thinking
>>336259257
>The west has cooperation, the west has people working together
why do eastern people lack that quality, the quality that was a basis for every single civilization in existence? is that something in the water? is that why purifying the water is so important?
>>336259068
Yeah, except all of the places in DC are filled with retarded and badly written things, not to mention ten thousand super mutant/bandit outposts placed with no real coherence.
New Vegas is at least more or less believable in landmark placement. Not to mention that doing things more along a certain line makes it so they could incorporate certain elements into the story better. Chasing Benny for instance.
>>336259542
>The enemies do scale with your level though
Critical path and DLCs ones - yes. Or you mean FO3?
>>336259415
I do, because A. Fallout 3 has a tendency to not work on anything that isn't windows XP or Vista, and Bethesda have never patched it to work without Games for Windows Live.
B.When you play the two side by side, Fallout 3 is so shit you might as well not bother.
C.My PC has a stroke trying to run to games at once.
>>336259562
It's because bethesda has shitty writers
>>336259638
The bottom line is refing F3
>>336259794
Well yes, that's what I said. FO3 has complete level scaling. It kind of sucks, you shouldn't be able to blast top tier enemies at level 2.
I almost replied to this post >>336259548 seriously. Fuck me.
>People slam NV for 'muh invisible walls'
>Not a peep about F3's huge piles of random shit in DC that forced you go explore the wonderful world of the metro AKA Feral Ghouls Gone Wild!
>>336260058
As much as invisible walls infuriate me, at least with New Vegas its consistent world building, rather than a themepark RPG with random, non nonsensical shit thrown into it.
>need a throwback character, tribals and some trees? Have the Oasis!
>need a town full of kids? How Wacky!
>They built a town around a bomb?! How bizarre!
>Oh look, superheroes in a wasteland. Oh those guys!
>>336259548
don't ref me or my post ever again
>>336259068
Yes, you can go to vegas from good springs if you are not shit at the game.
They put a stealth boy in good springs.
>>336256896
You're retarded. NV has shit animations too, but it never tries to wow you with some utterly retarded cinematic intro. NV knows it's ugly and lets you play. F3 doesn't know it's ugly and ties to suck your dick anyway.
>played NV before 3
>Thought NV was pretty good story wise thanks to companion missions and "Multiple" endings
>Went into 4 expecting it to be just like NV
I want my 60 bucks back.
>>336259886
>you shouldn't be able to blast top-tier enemies at level 2
But you can't.
A level 2 Behemoth or Deathclaw has stats that are far superior to those of a level 2 player.
>>336260395
There are two if you are struggling.
>shoot Joe Cobb, take his stealthboy
>raid the safe in the Goodsprings inn for the second
People like the person you responded to just want their hands held throughout the whole game.
>>336260493
But this is the same when the player is level 30. This should not happen.
>>336260298
>with New Vegas its consistent world building, rather than a themepark RPG with random, non nonsensical shit thrown in
This too. Bethesda just doesn't understand Fallout. AT ALL.
>>336260337
What are you gonna do about it homo?
>>336239302
I think I might have had "better moments" in FO3 than I did in FNV, but I'd still consider FNV my favorite and objectively the better game.
But these moments just came from general happiness at the time of playing them and how fresh it felt (had not played that many open world games before, and I liked the style alot).
>>336260298
>Implying that themepark RPGs can't be immersive and fun in their own right
You might as well slam GTA for having stunt jumps built into the map.
>>336260656
And I bet you fully understand it, after reading shitposts in daily "FALLOUT 3 SUCKS DOESN'T IT GUYS, FALLOUT NV WAS SO MUCH BETTER" threads on /v/
Faggot
>>336256534
>Overly-complicated
>>336260748
Todd don't be homophobic.
>>336260740
GTA isn't an RPG. I'd expect it from GTA because having shit like that is a staple part of the series.
>these moments just came from general happiness at the time of playing them and how fresh it felt (had not played that many open world games before
I think this is what people mean when they say that FO3 was "better", it's just nostalgia.
>>336260748
not him, but I understand it after playing hundreds of hours of1,2 and NVandreading the fallout bible
>>336259435
>The Outcasts are last minute editions, tacked on to justify why the East Coast variants are "different".
But that's wrong. The Outcasts exist because not everyone in the BoS agreed with how things were going to change, they play no part in anything else because they are literally a small group without the rest of the BoS.
>had that kid become the new leader, and then make them basically the same as the Outcasts
That's double wrong
>If the East Coast brotherhood are so morally reprehensible, why then did they destroy The Pitt?
Because when that happened the eastern BoS was still following their original format
>>336261009
yup, it's babbie's first rpg, sandbox and fallout, all in one!
>>336260519
I know you're baiting but fuck it, as i said you'll be underleveled once you reach NV and wont be able to make any good decisions since so much is locked behind skill checks
>>336260642
Enemies do become easier to beat in the late game though and this is due to perks rather than stats.
Perks are what give you the edge in FO3 and stats and levels act as nothing more than progress gates for these perks.
>>336260748
Yeah, actually i do. No need to be so salty.
>>336260449
This is the most baseless argument in the thread
>>336259435
And they still didn't get the brotherhood right in FO4.
>Blowing up the institute
>destroying tech of any kind
>giving up a potential synth army the brotherhood could use against the NCR, neutralizing their one disadvantage
Maxson would be vaporized for that shit by the west coast brotherhood. He's only slightly better than lyons
>>336260642
But it isn't like that, where are you getting this from?
i 100% agree.
The production value is drastically superior. Bethesda is a better developer than Obsidian.
>>336261089
>But that's wrong. The Outcasts exist because not everyone in the BoS agreed with how things were going to change, they play no part in anything else because they are literally a small group without the rest of the BoS.
Well that's not answering my point is it. All you've said here is why the exist. I know WHY the exist lore wise, but they are so obviously a last minute edition. They add nothing to the game, which is why the first DLC is dedicated to them. They should play a part because they are a splinter group of the main "good guy" faction. I'd get it if it was a group who split from those the Talon Company or someone else who makes no impact, but this one of two major factions.
>That's double wrong
Good argument. Call me wrong without any evidence. Classy.
>Because when that happened the eastern BoS was still following their original format
I'll give you that, but how come nobody mentions it? You'd think Werhner's long range signal would have been picked up by either the Outcasts and or EC brotherhood (both have the technology to send a signal back by the way, look it up). You'd think the Outcasts would use this as a means of getting the retards who still believe the EC are "good guys" to defect.
Plus this doesn't excuse why as soon as they turn up in DC, do the brotherhood decide to go "yeah he destroyed an entire city before, but let's not do it this time guys. These people need water and shit"
>>336261313
The perks should help you defeat enemies yes I get it, but these enemies scale up. I should use these perks and new weapons/armor to go back to high level areas where I previously had difficult and then plow through it.
But at the same time, if I was sneaky/skilled enough to complete these high level areas before I get all the perks, then I should be entitled to do so. I shouldn't be reliant on scaled loot tables and scaled enemies.
>>336261064
>the Fallout Bible is no longer considered canon
>A box full of Puppets webcomic however is canon
Fuck this earth.
>>336242219
Exploration was better, but Obsidian actually managed to lead the player around NV's map in a very effective way.
>>336247750
Fun universe, fun rpg elements (when present)
>>336239302
No you stupid faggot
>>336254974
I keep downloading sex mods and jerking off to Ranger Ghost booty, I only play the game on console
New Vegas is mediocre at best, it only gets praise because Obshitian fanboys will eat any garbage those overhyped hipsters would produce, there is a reason no studio works with them twice.
>>336256186
they fucked it up by presenting several humans just going an inch below ground level and pretending they could survive a nuclear blast like that
jesus christ if that worked, you could just dig a whole in your yard and be fine aside from long-time fallout
>>336263042
or because it was the closest thing to a real Fallout game and spiritual successor to Fallout 2.
>>336256896
there's a difference between graphical ability and animation, anon
>>336261794
> know WHY the exist lore wise, but they are so obviously a last minute edition. They add nothing to the game, which is why the first DLC is dedicated to them.
The lore reason is the only reason they exist, it's "obvious" to you that they're a "last minute edition" because you desperately want reasons to justify your hatred of Bethesda.
They add nothing to the game because they have no way to add anything to the game, and the first DLC is not "dedicated" to them, they're used as a tool for the player to get to the DLC.
If anything you're saying was true, then they wouldn't proceed to wipe themselves out in that bunker after you open and enter the armory.
>Call me wrong without any evidence.
The BoS in Fo4 act just like they did in Fo3, you are literally wrong
>but how come nobody mentions it?
That's a question I do not have an answer for
>Plus this doesn't excuse why as soon as they turn up in DC
The fuck are you even talking about?
>>336256994
>4gb
too bad the maker is a cunt
>>336263275
Sure, long live old times grandpa, you are so cool. Bunch of fuckin hipsters.
>>336263221
not him but what also bothered me in Fallout 4 was the fact that Bethesda always forgets about Ghouls and the fact that they exist.
I can't even fathom how things are so bad 200 years after the bombs fell especially with the knowledge and capable help of Ghouls. I just know they won't stand for it because it used to be their home.
>>336257653
if you're retarded, then yeah
if you actually know how to play a video game then you're set after the powder ganger attack
new vegas may be a better game, but i had a lot more fun playing 3
>>336263543
>liking good games is hipster
can't tell if bait or retard at this point
>people replied to this thread.
Fucking pathetic.
>>336263830
>can't tell if bait or retard at this point
Because you are a clue less Obsidrone
>>336240405
Fallout 4 is so bad, it's the most boring on rails "open world" game ever
my issue with new vegas is that i wanted a game where it felt like the apocalypse, and new vegas didn't feel like that. it felt like a wild west game with laser guns
with 3 i really did feel like i was crawling around a wasteland
>>336248273
>reddit= honest and "to the point" opinions
>4chan= contrarian and passive aggresive shitposting
>>336264224
thats bait buddy
you went right for it
>>336240952
Fallout world isnt a post apocalyptic world though, its a post-post apocalyptic world where society is largely rebuilt and the landscape is mostly back to normal unfortunately Bethesda are retarded
>>336264364
i always saw it as a post-modernist apocalyptic world, but thats just me
>>336263372
>The lore reason is the only reason they exist, it's "obvious" to you that they're a "last minute edition" because you desperately want reasons to justify your hatred of Bethesda.
Ah so you're a fanboy who is blinded by poor games design. Gotcha.
>The BoS in Fo4 act just like they did in Fo3, you are literally wrong
The EC and the Outcasts continue their war. Lyon's dies and is replaced by Sarah. Outcasts kill Sara. Maxson becomes the special snowflake "elder" despite being 16 years old. Outcasts lose and are forced back into the EC chapter. Maxson can't decide if they should act more like EC or the actual brotherhood.
Maxson is debating whether or not he wants to change them back. How the fuck is that "exactly the same" as F3's version? Maxson is the tool of Bethesda's shoddy writing. It would have made much more sense to just have the Outcasts win and stick them in Fallout 4. But no they had win but still change their entire ideology, undermining the whole reason and purpose why the went to the war with the Outcasts.
>The fuck are you even talking about?
My bad, that should be "doesn't explain as soon as the turn up in Washington DC". There is literally no reason as to why Lyon's decided in DC to change the brotherhoods ideology.
The Brotherhood already had one defection when they were passing through Chicago. Surely then they would have decided to undergo some reform or revolution.
Not entirely sure what I'm doing arguing with you to be honest. I can smell the Bethdrone.
>>336264227
Then you are a retard.
Fallout was and always should have been POST, POST APOCALYPTIC, meaning they have gone past being surviving in a new wasteland, and they are now in the process of rebuilding civilisation.
If you wanted it to fell apocalyptic, go play the new Mad Max game or something.
I can see why a lot of people like NV, it's a great RPG but to me is a really boring game
Say what you will about FO3 and 4 but those two games never bored me, there is allways something going on in FO3 and 4, i happen to find myself on long stretches of time where nothing happens in NV and i have to force something to happen if i want to get some action.
I recognize that NV is a fantastic experience and i can see why people love it, but it is a game i classify as "Not for everyone", there is a lot to be found and lot to be experienced in NV, some people might find that a bonus when a game has that much content, i find it a detriment since it only has one gameplay style (Wich is being an FPS) and you will need to really enjoy what you are getting into and multiple playthroughs to see it all
I just can't be bothered, i rather have something like FO4 where i'm told where to go, i know who my enemy is and i get into fights every now and then, i wish FO4 had the quality of writing NV had for sure though
>>336264943
I mean RPGs are not to everyones tastes. If you don't enjoy them then that's your opinion.
>>336264817
>implying mad max isn't post post apocalyptic
>>336264943
>I recognize that NV is a fantastic experience and i can see why people love it, but it is a game i classify as "Not for everyone"
And FO3 is?
>>336265060
That's why i say "It's not for everyone", it's not a shit game by any stretch of the imagination, but it's one of those games that you hate it or you love it
>>336265121
It's easier to get into, at least in my experience and what i've heard from others
>>336265084
Yeah fair point. Ignore that. I just couldn't think of any post apocalyptic games.
>>336264642
>Ah so you're a fanboy
>Maxson can't decide if they should act more like EC or the actual brotherhood.
>I can smell the Bethdrone
You're showing signs of not knowing anything about Fo4, so I'm going to give you the benefit of the doubt and say you're just trolling
8/10 for a job well done
>>336264943
So what you're saying is that you're easily entertained retard with low attention span
cool, this is why AAA gaming is basically dead outside of jew marketing tricks
>>336265358
Oh fuck me here.
Just read this.
http://fallout.wikia.com/wiki/Arthur_Maxson
>>336265718
>read
what do I look like to you, some fucking nerd?
get lost fag
>>336265589
>ye olde "you are just a kid with lot attention span" meme
name another game that has you walking around for miles and has boring moments where nothing is going on
seriously everytime someone judges NV for being a boring game everyone brings up the same dumb argument "if you don't like those things you are just a kid that needs to be entertained every 5 seconds"
>>336265886
Pete Hines pls go
>>336265718
The abbreviation for Enclave is also EC, so that's where I became confused, knowing that you meant East Coast you now sound like an obsidrone with is 10 times worse.
You simply refuse to believe characters can be written more than just two dimensional, any case of this happening in Fo3/Fo4 in your mind HAS to be an asspull, Bethesda is not allowed to write anything well.
I haven't played 3 enough to form an opinion on it.
But I sure as hell played the fuck out of nv. Almost 300 hours.
It's so fucking captivating and what gets me mad is when my boy says he thinks it sucks, the guy hasn't got to new Vegas. Still in primm and that's where he's dropped it.
>>336266940
But applying special snowflake status to a one dimensional character is poor writing. All they have done is retcon what they previously have written. Inconsistency in writing is far worse than writing poorly, because with bad writing you know what to expect.
For example, I knew F4 would be sub-par because Skyrim was a downgrade of Oblivion.
>>336267314
Skyrim was better than Oblivion, though? It had a leveling system that wasn't completely fucking retarded and the setting was boring, but less boring than Oblivion.
>>336264943
>but those two games never bored me
you mean going through Mr Subway's wild ride was a nonstop thrill per second?
>>336267314
Your definition of special snowflake status is anyone who's different from a random person in the crowd, and for that you are literally retarded
>>336266036
Ignore him, I disagree with you but I understand what you were saying.
>>336267754
Yeah but that's one of the only moments i can recall, NV is full of them
>>336239302
Nah, after playing nv, going back and playing 3 was impossible, could only do it via TTW.
>>336267218
>dropped in primm
quite the homosexual, your friend there
>>336264943
>i happen to find myself on long stretches of time where nothing happens in NV
probably because you're exploring the world and talking to people
>but it is a game i classify as "Not for everyone"
unlike F4 which tries to appeal to everyone by being mediocre at everything
>i find it a detriment since it only has one gameplay style (Wich is being an FPS)
kind of like... F3, FNV, and F4?
>i rather have something like FO4 where i'm told where to go
so you're a casual who likes Call of Duty
>>336271256
I like Call of Duty and New Vegas...
Yeah... well... I think brotherhood of steel is best so there!
>>336271485
you specifically said New Vegas was boring
>>336249356
>>336251639
Need to buy enough games for the console to justify the purchase for myself. The library is still pretty light.
>>336271256
>i like simpler games so i must be a CoD fan
>appealing to the majority is a bad thing
>nothing happening = i-it's roleplaying anon! you are supposed to walk around the wasteland doing nothing!
the worst excuse for a game i've ever seen, this is why i say NV is not for everyone, only a handful of people like NVs playstyle compared to FO3 and 4
1 hour in FO4 i already killed a deathclaw and cleaned up 2 buildings, solved like 5 quests
1 hour in NV depending on how you play either you are in the middle of 3 convicts in Primm or you haven't even discovered Primm by that point
>>336271714
I'm another poster.
>those people who praise Fallout 3 because it let's you go wherever you want and skip entire story quests
>mfw people don't realize this is a bad thing
>>336259415
>why don't you just order the rancid turd AND the Subway® Sub™ Made Fresh at Subway® by a talented Subway® Sandwich Artist™ to your personal specifications
>>336239302
Elder scrolls babbys prefer 3.
Fallout fans prefer new vegas.
>>336271879
Instant Gratification: The Post
>>336271879
>1 hour in FO4 i already killed a deathclaw
That's not exactly an argument in favour of FO4...
>>336271879
>I like shooters and being told where to go
that's the backbone of CoD
>appealing to the majority
at the loss of the mechanics which were expanded in the previous iteration and the basic feeling that the series had since the beginning to try and get the CoD crowd, yes
>exploration and talking aren't things happening
yeah, how dare you have to WALK in a ROLE PLAYING GAME what the FUCK
>handful of people
they were all extremely high selling games, you're factually incorrect
30 minutes into F4 you kill a deathclaw, get OP Armor, were put on a quest to help people whether you wanted to or not, shot out a neighborhood, shot out a town, killed a raider army, and have 2 followers
30 minutes into NV and you can still be exploring the area, talking to people, get in an exciting small-scale fight, and make actual choices
enjoy your Michael Bay games, casual
>>336271526
A bunch of tech hording xenophobes, who would gladly kill you for the weapon in your hand, what is appealing about them to you?
>>336272302
>not liking freedom
>>336272302
>skip entire story quests
what?
>>336271879
You just explained the problem.
A deathclaw is supposed to be an incredibly strong enemy. Something everyone in the wasteland fears. Yet FO4 dishes them out like candy. FO4 does nothing but spoonfeed to you. It treats you like an idiot because that is what makes money.
>Wow I feel so cool taking on a deathclaw so early
Exactly, it isn't cool if its that early in the game and it was so easy.
>>336272923anon, it was a joke about the worst game in the series
>>336272997
You can head to your dad's location from the moment you leave the Vault among other things.
>>336273186
Damn, you austim
>>336273408
At least you aren't autistic enough to make this.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N-Xs1tm-9-U
>>336273669
ahaha what
this is worse than I imagined
>>336272983
Freedom isn't the problem, the problem is that you can literally skip parts of the story because they made it too easy to do so, I new Vegas, you had to fucking earn the ability to skip the first half because the quick way to New Vegas was full of Deathclaws and Cazadors
>>336274232
What do you mean? It looks like the best one in the series.
>this basically killed fallout until bethesda
>>336239302
I played both through last summer, 3 before NV
NV is definitely better in almost all ways.
More content in general, better storyline etc.
The only thing Fallout 3 did better was the feeling of a wasteland. The athmosphere was much more darker, and I liked that. Although it became bland at times.
>>336274236
You would need outside information to know where to go to skip story parts, so they know that only veterans or people who don't really care would do it anyway
it cheapens the story, sure, but still
>>336243523
it was my favorite DLC though
>>336274483
The problem is its been 200 years since the bombs fell. things really shouldn't be that ridiculously bad.
>>336274236
How is this a problem? It increases replay value by allowing you to bypass unnecessary filler, which is exactly how an open world game should be designed.
I always loved 3. It was comfy as hell, NV was sweaty as hell. I had it had it modded as fuck on my old laptop and would kill hangovers playing all day.
Too bad I can't get em working on the new laptop..
>>336242281
why the fuck do you type like that
>>336274236
>you had to fucking earn the ability to skip the first half because the quick way to New Vegas was full of Deathclaws and Cazadors
How do you do this?
The only thing stopping me from starting a new vegas again is the hour or so before you even get on the strip.
