Apologize to Dark Souls 2.
Now you understand it was a good game.
Apologize.
>>336234375
DS2 was shit and DS3 is infinitly better. Go fuck yourself OP
Dark Souls 2 was an exceptional game. I know its the hot meme to say it was shit but the only thing shit about it is how much it shits over DS3.
>>336234375
Zelda cycle doesn't work for other games.
>>336234436
Infinitly better shit is still shit
>>336234436
>>336234513
Apologize.
I mean, it was okay. 1 and 3 were better though, and I don't really want to play it again.
But it was ass
BRASS ARMOR BEST ARMOR
>better mechanics
>worse level design
>miyazaki didn't even keep the good mechanics in 3
yeah I prefer 2
Never said otherwise. Still worse than 1. Maybe worse than 3 too after it gets patches and DLC. Playing 3 sure as fucj made me appreciate 2 more though, especially the level design in the DLCs which feels like they actually had ideas instead of following the same old tired formula.
>>336235391
>tfw looks like in 3
>>336234375
Great ideas with poor execution. Easily the best zone ideas in the series but they spent about 10 minutes on each one and gave up.
>>336234375
>looked like an ugly ps2 game
nope
>equip parrying dagger in offhand in dark souls 2
>can parry with it
>equip parrying dagger in offhand in dark souls 3
>can block with it
defend this
you can't
>>336235659
Name those fucking good zone ideas
>>336234375
No it wasn't, it's fucking awful.
I went back to Dark souls 2 for a break because i missed my alonne armor and holy shit everything is slow as fuck and every enemy is an armored cunt you have no reason to use anything but a mace against.
Fuck Dark Souls 2.
![south-park-s11e01c03-go-ahead-apologize-16x9[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/Jzb8Cg6.jpg "south-park-s11e01c03-go-ahead-apologize-16x9[1].jpg")
>>336234375
Apologize
>>336235739
You can also parry with it in DaS 3. Just use L2 nigga
>>336234375
I think DS2 is a good game, it might not have been AS good as DS1, but that does not make it bad. I think it did a lot to add more depth to the lore and expand on the universe. Gameplay-wise I prefer DSIII to DSII, but DSIII panders to fans of the original too much rather than being able to stand on its own two feet in terms of narrative and provide a conclusion to the trilogy.
>>336234375
It's at least as bad as 3. Probably worse but I'm pretty disappointed by 3 so I'm biased right now.
>>336234513
it was shit because it felt horrible to play, it had cool content armor/weapon and locations.
but the fucking AI aimbot bullshit, dodge rolling being a stat, and other shit made it just plain unenjoyable.
>>336235948
feel like 3 references demon souls a lot
Dark souls was never a bad game. It had unoriginal Level and enemy design, but thats It. Not even bad design, just unoriginal.
All the hate was originated by the meme hatewagon, "lets hate on the new game"
Most technical aspects, were spot on, with the exception of soul memory, and even that gets blown out of proportion.
I can't. I'm still butthurt about shockwaves.
>>336236304
I meant to have a 2 in dark souls. Im talking about das2.
>>336235579
All the armor looks like shit in 3
>>336235810
Windmill producing poison, bells in the crypt, zip lines used to travel between area suspended high above ground, fog with invisible enemies, statues which absorb enemy souls and come to life, singing influencing the enemies you fight.
>>336236192
Yeah, the dungeon is a des throwback.
The firelink being completelly disconnected from the world fells Also like des more than das.
Anyway, they copied a LOT of DaS1 and DeS. Game is trying to be so "safe", It is so scared of trying to be unique. At least ds2 and bb took risks, instead of throwing old npcs arround for fanservice sake.
Seriously give me ONE good reason to have Andre illusion as a blacksmith instead of an original one Besides muh das 1 reference
I missed DLC back when it was relevant so I am playing SotC right now. And, honestly, now with 3 out I can't name a single thing that 2 does better than other games.
>fighting feels rigid as fuck due to poise
>bosses are still the same humanoid garbage that can be beaten on your 1-2 try by strafing to the right and holding L1
>really enjoy estus being weaker but they HAD to fuck it up with cheap ass stones
>worst graphics in the series, even the DX12 SoTC looks worse than fucking DeS
>broken torch gimmick
>idiotic fall damage that does nothing except force you to waste your time on ladders
>adaptability
>not a huge lore fan but this "u gon die again and again" garbage is pathetic
I know only 2 people who defend this shit and for both it was their first souls game.
>>336234375
Pros:
>omni rolling
>directed great weapon attacks
>armor and weapon variety
>healing system felt better, challenging early game
>magic felt pretty decent but not OP
>pyromancy needed stats to work
>locations were pretty good, only ever hated the shitty Vrangian level and a few others
Cons:
>Armor and weapon variety flooded you with shitty reskins of longswords and greatswords that had no changes to movesets or hidden scaling benefits
>healing system was shitty for PvP as you had to farm a bit of the higher tier lifegems to be competitive
>the lighting system was absolute garbage
>not even SOTFS could save the shitty horrible washed out feeling the game had
>felt like a PS2 game in terms of graphical capability
DS2 was great for one play through with a decent build as it challenged me early on, but once I'd played it through, it was really garbage afterwards. Could see the flaws in it's execution.
Dark souls 3, while I've played through it 3 times so far, is feeling like a mix between Dark Souls and Demon's Souls. It feels great to play, and is smooth, responsive and has a shitload of weapons and armor, but I don't feel excited to boot the game up and play it any more. That's mostly because I've played it three times through since release, once on Jap PS4 release, once on PC as a knight, and again as a John Snow knight build where I actually pay attention to my build and progress.
On PS4, I summoned like a casual and got rekt a lot because I can't read moon runes. On PC first run I got rekt because I wasn't sure of weapon builds and items to choose and I summon babby'd.
My last play through I never summoned once and fucking destroyed every single boss, except for THE CHAMP who took ages to fight because I got used to Dark Souls 1 medium shield parry and even the Caestus doesn't come close to that.
>>336236397
>tfw this is true
>tfw only full sets seems to look good
>tfw you cant do fashion
>>336237737
>He can't fashion souls in DS3
Point as this man. Point at him and laugh.
>>336237737
fashion is fineDaS2 did it better
>>336237853
>let me post a image in a obscure angle to make my shitty style look good
(you)
>its suddenly good because it's not the newest anymore
frig off
its ot as bad as /v/ makes it out to be but its not better than 3
>>336237613
>DS2 was great for one play through
I feel the complete opposite.
I played through 1 and 2 multiple times. Like 400+ hours in each. I've done two playthroughs of 3 and I feel completely burned out. 2 at least had a variety of ways to play that were all viable - 3 just doesn't. All short melee weapons play the same, magic is complete garbage. 2 had some fantastic mechanics that they just didn't carry over into 3.
>>336238038
>shitty style
Nigga you just mad gelatinous. Thanks for the double (you).
It's the worst of them.
I'm not sure where I rate DaS, DaS III, and Bloodborne relative to each other, but I assure you DaS II is at the bottom of the pile
>>336238021
ok that looks good post sliders you fag.
>>336236739
>Windmill producing poison
Lighting this metal section of the windmill on fire sure is awesome.
>fog with invisible enemies
I refuse to believe that anyone actually enjoyed shaded woods. It was so shitty that they made an item in ivory king to dispel the invisibility because it was so shitty.
The rest of them are really just tiny mechanics that don't really impact the level design much, all of 2's levels were pretty damn bad. except for the DLC.
>>336237853
>light armor on torso
>heavy plate on other parts
dogshit fit fampai
I was thinking of starting another run of DaS2 and doing some Targray armor with wanderer hood cosplay. Which weapon would look good with it other than halberds?
>>336238626
>Le edgy contrarian cuck xD
Go outside
>>336236117
The locations were interesting, but the level design itself was atrocious. It felt like a Chinese knockoff of a Souls game.
>featureless, square rooms
>linear cooridors
>zero use of vertical space
>inorganic design
That and the phoned in bossfights drop DS2 a few categories below DS3. The difference in quality should be obvious to anybody.
>>336239054
>having shit taste in video games
Stay outside.
>>336239054
>contrarian
>has the same opinion as 90% of the fanbase
Don't use words you don't understand, retard.
>>336237737
>not playing blind samurai
>not using eastern set+brigand gauntlets+blind mask thing
Fucking sudoku
>>336234375
I've never played and I probably won't into the near future.
>>336239106
that said, B Team upped their game a bit with the DLC
>>336234776
I'm sorry that Dark Souls 2 NEVER looked this good
there, I apologized.
>>336234375
It was pure garbage.
>MGS 4 releases
>panned by /v/
>MGS 5 releases
>/v/ loves MGS 4
>DaS2 releases
>panned by /v/
>DaS 3 releases
>/v/ loves DaS2 now
You all should seriously consider suicide. DaS 2 was far worse than three in almost every aspect.
>>336234375
>some bosses will attack the player earlier in the level and the players will have a chance to lower the boss' health before the boss fight
Fucking lies man this shit only happens like once or twice.
>>336239054
do you feel invalidated when people disagree with your opinions about video games?
you really shouldn't
>>336234375
I liked Executioner's Chariot. Dark Souls 2 is still not a good game.
>>336239779
everybody is a hypocrite except you
>>336236960
The final bridge before Princes is even a throwback to 1-3.
>>336240053
>misrepresenting an argument
Never change, hipsters.
>>336238847
>implying I'm not wearing a thin breastplate under my bitching ass coat
Nigga do you even pimp knight?
>>336239817
>this thing happens
>YOU FUCKING LIAR! IT ONLY HAPPENS TWICE
>>336234375
It was okay.
Not en onugh more than a playthrough though, or the DLC.
>>336240152
I only remember Pursuer showing up before his fight. Who else did it?
You have to be braindead to consider DaS2 as a good game, not just a Dark Souls game, but a game overall. It was so bad, so plain, so obnoxious, one of the worst games i have ever played.
>>336239779
If everybody changed their opinions about these games, how come you didn't fall for it too?
Are you smarter than everybody on /v/?
>>336240228
Freya shows up early in NG+
>>336234375
Tell me the goods and the bads and then tell me what a good game is.
This right here has more atmosphere than the entirety of DS3.
>>336237613
>Armor and weapon variety flooded you with shitty reskins of longswords and greatswords that had no changes to movesets or hidden scaling benefits
>healing system was shitty for PvP as you had to farm a bit of the higher tier lifegems to be competitive
You made some good points, but these are just flat out wrong. The smooth stones arent usable in pvp, and longsword was, at best, a sleeper. Did you play Arena or Iron Bridge summon pvp? There was HUGE difference in the PvP there—in the arena, since the invasion system was so bad, people just used buffshit and spammed rapiers to try and win no matter what. Arena was absolute boring shit. On the bridge however, longswords and greatswords were actually rather rare—in more than 600 hours in DaS2 pvp, I could count on two hands the amount of longswords Ive seen.
DaS3 has horrible weapon variety, especially compared to two. Straight sword or katana. First two weeks if DaS3 I fought a grand total of THREE people who were using anything else. Magic is absolute trash in DaS3; any offensive spells are just plain garbage. VIT giving only 1 weight, shitty ring bonuses, a horrible base of 40 units, and the absolutely obnoxious weight of most armours and weapons now destroys most armour variability in DaS3.
I think you either solely played release DaS2 or only did arena, both of which sucked shit.
I will relent, however, that armour variability sucked in DaS2 if you cared about your resistances, since metal armours were gimped so hard there. But at least you could fucking wear em if you wanted the fashion.
>>336240458
>a shot taken from one specific point
>that point will have almost no gameplay to it whatsoever, and you will almost never be in that point in that area ever again except to take that specific shot.
So it's the exact embodiment of DS2 then? Looks great if you close one eye, squint the other and tilt your head to the left?
>>336240458
DELETE THIS
>>336240278
If everyone on /v/ considers MGS 4 and DaS 2 good games, a wholehearted yes I am. Only literal retards find redeeming qualities in these games.
DS2 is far and away the worst game in the series. Most of the faults are broad and foundational.
>mediocre level design
>mediocre bossfights
>no red eye orb
>no SL builds
It had a few really cool ideas like Power-stancing, Ascetics, Soul Vessels, NG+ and the Rat Covanent, but that hardly makes up for the shit above
>go up an elevator in a windmill
>end up in a massive fortress in the middle of a giant lava land with no part of the scenery you were in before on the horizon
Only PVP retards prefer 2 to other souls games. And we all know how mentally handicapped a person has to be to commit to PVP in a PVE oriented game instead of playing fighting games/arena shooters/whatthefuckever genre that is actually made for it.
>>336240634
why do you post on this board when you're so much smarter than the rest of us?
it must be frustrating
>>336234375
But i always said DaS II was fantastic.
DaS III is even better tho.
>>336240704
That's a very opinionated opinion and your opinion is shitty and uninformed. Stop opinionating about things.
>>336240543
I meant it threw longswords and greatswords at you as in you would have 2-3 longswords that were literally just reskins. Same with greatswords. Reskins with no moveset differences or hidden scaling buffs (i.e level 5 giving +1 level for scaling, etc)
And yeah the PvP I didn't play much of, so that was a bit of a ballpark estimate there for the gems.
DS3 has quite a bit of variety in PvP. I used Profaned Greatsword to great effect in Anor Londo PvP (area just before the anor londo bonfire, with the giant corpses and dual weapon faggots), as well as a few other greatswords and a straight sword/greataxe. Had a lot of fun.
>>336240786
holy shit, this.
This drove me mental and stopped me from being able to enjoy the iron keep
>implying there was anything to enjoy in the first place
>>336240704
>>mediocre level design
I think you meant shit level design. DSII has the worst fucking level design imo. It couldn't decide if it wanted to be like DS1 or DeS and took a place in between the two,and that place was shit.
>>336239106
i've seen so many fucking people say that exact fucking thing
" it's like a chinese copy of a souls game"
holy shit come up with your own thoughts maybe?
Also why were they so shy when including DS2 nods in this new one. nearly all of the DS2 content is just after pontiff it seems
>>336234375
lol, no
DaS3 is fucking filled to the brim with Dark Souls 1 pandering that'd make the typical "praise le sun" shitter throw up and possibly the worst on-release pvp so far
and yet its still MILES more fucking enjoyable than dark souls 2
>>336234375
dark souls 2 was the worst souls game and it always will be what it is
shit
3 is arguably the best souls game
>>336240786
>look at heide from majula
>it's miles fucking away
>it actually takes less time to walk to heide then walk to pursuer boss fight which is visually way fucking closer
>DS2 world design
>shit bosses
>shit graphics
>shit lore
>ADP
>Soul Memory
Only one group within souls community is worse than BB retards, it's people who prefer 2.
Fuck. For everything bad in Blood Borne AT LEAST it was fast and had the best setting. DaS2 is shit from every angle.
>>336235739
You can both parry and block with it you fucking donkey
I'm surprised this thread went this many posts without hitboxes
>>336241059
>More than one person comes to the same conclusion
>They must be copying each other because it's impossible for more than one person to have the same thought independently
The Facebook generation, ladies and gentlemen.
>>336240810
>no argument
>better redirect and not acknowledge my shit taste!
>>336234375
I've said it before and I'll say it again.
DS2 PvP shits on DS3 PvP.
The only thing wrong with DS 2 was the worthless covenants
>>336241398
>Had to get a dig at BB in
How fucking mad are you? Pretty sure people who shit on any game in the series without any provocation are the blight of the souls community. I enjoyed all 4 games, some much more than others but none of them were a chore to play through.
>>336240786
>from a swamp go into a sandnigger crypt
>crypt leads to anor londo
>>336234375
Dark Souls 2 apologists are the same people who say the SW prequels are good after TFA.
>>336237853
MY HOLY BRETHREN!!!
>>336234375
DS2 was always a good game. It just happens to be the worst Soulsbourne game in general. Only redeeming factor was that the pvp was good after HEAVY patching.
>>336238626
>metal section of the windmill
>what the fuck is grease???
>>336241779
Literally this
>>336234375
3 Being kind of bad does not make 2 less of a piece of shit.
>>336241605
Who the fuck plays Souls games for PVP only? Everything about DS3 is better than DS2. Level design, bossfights, lore, setting, graphics, atmosphere, NPCs, combat, everything.
>>336237853
>>336241814
Meme helms
>>336240959
they were meant to have an area between valley and iron keep but it was entirely scrapped for some reason
can see nods at it during the trailer where the guy fights masked dudes
>>336241825
>Bino cancelling
>Good PvP
Pick one.
>>336241605
>dude havelyns lmao
>dude running reso katana stabs lmao
>dude painted gaurdian parry lmao
Pvp in 2 sucked, but its ok because organized pvp sucks in all the games.
>>336237613
>>felt like a PS2 game in terms of graphical capability
Are you sure about that? I felt like DaS2 was an obvious step up in graphical fidelity. But regardless, I thought it looked like shit compared to DaS1. I'm not sure what it is but it just looks off.
>All of the covenants barring the Red Phantom covenant are completely optional invasions
>No red phantoms ever invade because of Soul Memory
>weapons that use ammunition are bad, since having to buy more of that ammo or item bloats your soul memory, forcing players to use magic
>no poise
>ADP
honestly
you could write a 30 page essay about all the things wrong with dark souls 2
>>336241516
so your saying when a popular post on /v/ says "feels like a chinese souls rip off" and then in the following days a load of people are saying "it looks like a chinese souls rip off" there's absolutely no correlation at all, and in fact all these people just happened to have this same thought around the same time?
right ok, sorry i was wrong, didn't know that /v/ was a hive-mind
I'll go jack off on that facebook account i dont have
thanks for enlightening me
:pic unrelated just like havel
>>336242168
>>weapons that use ammunition are bad, since having to buy more of that ammo or item bloats your soul memory, forcing players to use magic
This. Makes me all levels of buttblasted, specially since pure archers are viable game-wise
>>336242124
>I'm not sure what it is but it just looks off.
It's a broken ass lighting system.
Ill never understand the pedestal the souls series gets put on like its some god series.
Demons Souls has two good bosses and areas like stonefang tunnel, and feels like a tech demo more than a complete game half the time.
Dark Souls has tons of shit bosses and the world and level design drops off harder than the mariana trench after anor londo. The UI was also made in paint by an intern.
Dark Souls 2 has a lot of problems that put it probably like a pip or two below the rest of the series but the rest of the series is only good because its unique. Once that uniqueness wears off all those flaws and how lazy and retarded From is just jump out at you.
>>336241573
what was your argument again?
>>336242287
>a popular post on /v/
Keep digging.
>>336241908
>dude Dark Souls 1 references lmao
>better than DS2
>good at all
The lore, atmosphere, gameplay, balance, and general variety are fucking awful. If DS3 wasn't pretty, it'd rightfully get shit on for being the biggest cash in of the generation.
Keep apologizing.
>>336242402
by that i meant a souls lore thread which seem to always hit the bump limit recently, and with so many people posting in one bread, i feel we can call it a popular thread
>>336242287
>a popular post on /v/
Are you genuinely autistic?
>>336242559
Wow, and I thought DaS2 didn't have any good monster design.
>>336241908
The combat isn't better, it's fucking trash. Easily the worst combat in the entire damn series. How anyone can defend this fucking R1 spam garbage is beyond me, unless all it takes for retards to call combat "good" here is nice animations.
>>336242592
see
>>336242569
popular means a lot of people like it
DS lore threads have a shit ton of people posting in them
so yeah im calling it a fucking popular post on /v/ because thats what it is
do people not understand what popular means?
>>336242569
So with so many people posting in the thread coming to a consensus about what DaS2 feels like, you seem to be convinced that the idea must have come from one person and everyone else just parroted it?
A place where people can't fucking agree on which side of the Time Crisis 2 cabinet is best to play on, pink gun or blue gun? You think that kind of fucking shit goes on?
>>336242725
>How anyone can defend this fucking R1 spam garbage is beyond me
having trouble with estoc users?
>>336242725
>How anyone can defend this fucking R1 spam
Dark Souls is not a pvp game, you fucking mongoloid. Jesus fuck. Why do these retards keep projecting their shitty problems on whole game?
>>336236960
As shit as DS2 was, it was original shit at least. I can't say the same for DS3.
>>336242865
>pink gun or blue gun
>Not using both guns
>Not using the pedal with both feet
>Not supporting yourself with your massive 5 foot erect penis
Dark Souls 2 had some great ideas and some neat things, however it feels as though they designed it with "How can we piss off the player the most." In mind rather than "How can we have a challenge that's difficult, but also fair."
It pains me to this day that I'll never beat that dragon because of him having a bullshit OHKO attack and fire being inconsistent as shit with its hit boxes, on TOP of the trek just to get to him.
>>336242917
No, I'm having trouble with the fact that the game is so poorly designed that all enemies can be beaten by mindless R1 spam. In fact that's the best strategy for most of the garbage the game throws at you.
>>336234375
its still shit sry
>>336243020
Because it IS a problem with the whole game. When the best strategy for most enemies is staying out of range, getting the first hit in and then stunlocking them to death you know you've got a problem.
>>336237029
Pvp is better in DS2 imo.
>>336243162
R1 being one of the only buttons to attack
so... you want people to stop attacking you then is what you're saying
maybe just git gud? or get some more posie on your shield, then their stamina will run out before yours so all that spam wont matter
>>336243105
i tried to kill him enough times that the enemies have died out eventually and stopped spawning
killed him eventually too
>>336242553
>dude Dark Souls 1 references lmao
I find it funny that retards like you NEVER complain about almost equal amount of references to DaS2. Never seen people bitching about direct references (Ornstein etc) in 2 either.
What's even worse is that I've yet to see a person who bitched about Siegward without thinking that he is literally the same person with Siegmeyer
>>336240921
In DaS2, most straight and greatswords played similarly, but I contest your view that they were mostly straight reskins. Most did have about ONE unique differance—Heide Knight Sword had partial axe moveset. Drakekeepers took from greatsword set. Foot soldier's was Baldur Side Sword, only smaller. Longsword itself was just standard. (wont get into DLC weapons because those are on an entirely different level) Regardless of these, they all played similarly. Greatswords themselves have a similar story; each one in the base game typically has 1 unique factor. But they still played the same.
Now that Im looking at a list of greatswords, there were few with unique sets or partial sets. Those were pretty shittily made as a group.
Yeah, if you had played a lot of the pvp, youd really see this kind of stuff. A lot of moves, like running and rolling r1, simply had very little use in PvE.
Greatswords only now became usable in DaS3 pvp. Almost every straight sword plays similarly (same story as das2) only now they have amazing tracking, range, damage, and scaling, when they used to simply be a jack-of-all. Several greatswords are usable in DaS3, and halberds/greataxes are also very usable. Thrusting sword are as obnoxious as ever, only now they get 400+ AR. But thats the thing—those 5 weapon classes encompass 95% of the DaS3 pvp atm. No point using any 1hander when straight swords are king of everything. Great maces control awfully.
DaS2 pvp at least every weapon class was usable, except maybe scythes, which have a better moveset in DaS3 (except for the loss of deadangles and the weapon art sucks)
I dont want to disparage DaS3, just defend post-release DaS2. I fully believe DaS3 can be the best game for PvP in the series in a few months when they fix the lack of weapon CLASS variability.
3 is just 1 sans magic
>>336243259
>When the best strategy for most enemies is staying out of range, getting the first hit in and then stunlocking them to death you know you've got a problem.
Are you implying that it wasn't the strategy for light weapons in EVERY SINGLE FUCKING souls game?
Sure Souls 2 had poise but it also dropped the ring that negated it from the very first fucking enemy you encounter.
>>336236117
>but the fucking AI aimbot bullshit
Now DaS3 has aimbot for everybody!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BonOTx915K8
>>336234375
I don't need to apologize. I never thought otherwise.
Seeing several things missing in DaS3 that were in DaS2 showed me how much I appreciated some aspects.
>Estus is a great deal slower, making it more of a tactical/punishable decision
>Powerstancing
>Best covenants in the series (DaS1 would win, but they were far too glitchy)
>Rolls were hardly the casual PANIC button they were in DaS1 or DaS3
>Best PvP in the series
>Balanced magic and hexes (after the patches of course)
>Awesome armor/weapon sets
But it's obviously not without its flaws, like what >>336237613 said.
>>336243590
>comparing tracking bosses to a red phantom AI
>>336243301
>soul memory
>hexes
>unbackstabbable jester shirt
>gouars
>infinite combo dual great weapons
>monastery scimitar
>dual avelyns with mundane (since SL didn't matter)
>faggot spin to win weapon before it got nerfed
Nah, it had the worst meta, if you didn't play in your clown costume using either of these things some other clown would.
It literally had the worst tryhards in all of the souls games and possibly the worst community to boot
>>336241983
>Only redeeming factor was that the pvp was good after HEAVY patching.
gee anon i think you forgot to put on your reading classes
>>336243582
Of course it fucking wasn't. Even maces couldn't stagger enemies fast enough to stunlock them in DS2. In DS3 any weapon can stagger almost every enemy in the game because most of them have 0 poise. It's fucking shit.
Where is this 'Dark Souls 2 was good' meme coming from? Did some hot shot internet youtube celeb make a video or something?
>>336243782
They fixed most of the issues you listed though. Except for the jester shirt. FUCK the jester shirt.
>>336243973
People are getting sour with how shallow DaS3 is. Grass is greener on the previous side or some shit.
Reminds me of the LoZ game cycle.
>>336242124
The lighting system was bust. the colors look washed out and faded, like somebody turned off contrast and turned up brightness
>>336243872
I am playing 2 RIGHT FUCKING NOW you deluded swine. Started off as a mace cleric and switched to katana 8 hours in. I have yet to meet an enemy that does not get staggered in 1-2 hits with either of these weapons.
>>336243872
Not him, but I stunlocked the fuck out of enemies in DaS2 as a lance user.
>>336243782
what's a gouar
>>336244170
Stagger the guys at Heide's Tower of Flame with the Katana R1. I'll be waiting.
>>336242296
>Using bows in DS3 now locks you in place
But why
>>336243872
>Even maces couldn't stagger enemies fast enough to stunlock them in DS2
yes they could. aiside from the infinite poise stone soldiers in the castle and the lion warriors I cant think of a single regular enemy that couldn't be stunlocked.
>>336244423
>Katana
>Wonders why he can't stagger enemies
Weapons did different amounts of poise damage you dork.
>>336243447
>almost equal amount of references
You're making a lot of assumptions, because I regularly mention how Ornstein was a shitty inclusion whenever fanservice gets brought up. However, that's the worst offender with DS2, and one of the only blatant ones (the other being Solaire references). Otherwise, the game introduced its own aspects or put a different spin on existing elements from Dark Souls. DS3 has no original bone in its body.
>>336244423
Small or big ones? It was literally the last thing I beat yesterday and small ones were staggered just fine. They are troublesome because of their weird moveset, not poise.
Big ones are, well, big. You can't stagger GIants on 3 too and they die in 3 hits with unupgraded mace anyways.
>>336243782
did you even play after they patched virtually all of that? why judge a game that you didnt even play?
>>336243973
I presume its just the usual contrarian bullshit.
>>336244604
I miss the fun of a +10 Lightning Mace in DS2
that thing murdered everything, and you could just stunlock invaders really easily
>>336244612
I really wish you fucking retards read the post chain you're responding to before posting.
>>336244828
/v/ will never make up its mind.
It was contrarian to hate it at first. Then it wasn't. Then it was. Then it wasn't. Then it was. And now it isn't.
Why can't people just formulate their own goddamn opinions rather than parrot each other? The hivemind mentality is no better than Reddit.
>>336240458
DS1 anor londo looks 1000x better than this forced crap of screenshot
>>336240458
Nice meme
>>336245021
I really wish you fucking retards would read up on basic mechanics.
>>336240618
What exactly is the point you're trying to make
>>336245269
Read the post chain, fucktard. The entire point is that you have to use heavy weapons to stagger enemies in DS2 while in DS3 you can stunlock most enemies with a toothpick, including Lothric Knights which are supposed to be something like the Silver Knights.
>>336234375
I likedthem all
Why would I apologize? Dark Souls 2 (vanilla or scholar) was and still is a good game.
>tfw no more troll items like the genderbender coffin
>>336234375
I started a new game last night after beating DaS and holy shit they don't even feel like the same game.
Like literally the game play is different. DaS is weighty and gives me the feeling that I'm actually controlling my character whereas DaS2 feels like everything is on ice all the time and holy shit is the design aesthetic for 2 horrible. It looks like a generic mmo
>>336241671
>I enjoyed all 4 games
>4
>>336234375
Faggot spend 100+ hours beating shit game and DLC's. Unwilling to admit the wasted their lives.
Go out and troll /v that is was a great game. IT's just nostalgia, DS 1 wasn't that great.
Some people have no taste.
ABSOLUTELY DISGUSTING.
>>336245509
So did everyone in reality. People on /v/ always need extremes though so the weakest game in the series gets attacked for being SHIT even though it was probably the best game released for its year.
>>336245610
There is the trap ring.
I like it very much.
>>336245367
>including Lothric Knights
I believe those fucks actually had poise or super armor on their attacks until they nerfed it for western casuals.
>>336245631
>le bloodborne doesn't exist meme
Here's your (You)
I don't think anyone LEGITIMATELY argued that DS2 was bad, save for sperges and other refuse.
What does have are some unfortunate mechanics that shouldn't have been in it and some shitty world design.
Bad? No. Weakest in the series? Easily.
>>336242335
The games have a good formula and an abundance of gameplay so most people are blind to the fact that From is a dogshit tier developer and that the Souls games are completely underdeveloped compared to it's contemporaries and still every fucking game is as unpolished as the last.
basically what I'm getting is /v/ found it hard therefore its a bad game
Dark souls 2 problems
- game fighting sounds are awful
-level design is very very bad they arent cohesive
- story doesnt have much impact
- things are lazily designed e.g bell gargoles again
- bosses are just big humans all the time
- npcs arent interesting
- emerald herald is awful
- its not a good game
>>336245681
The trap ring clearly stated its function, so there is no "Whoa" surprise. The coffin however did not state its purpose and some players took hours to figure out what it did.
>>336242559
Everything about this image reminds me of Vindictus in all of the wrong ways.
>>336245786
They still do on their attacks.
>tfw finding out you can just spam parry after getting hit by their shield bash
Is DS2 scholarship or whatever, does that include everything?
>>336235810
The torch and the levels that were designed around it were very good. The Gutter is the best area in Dark Souls II
>>336245802
It's 5, you numbskull.
Powerstance was great, I don't know why they brought back specific dual-wield only weapons.
>>336245890
I remember I didn't notice til like 14 hours later that my character was a chick.
I really had no idea what was happening.
>>336246043
The PS3 and 360 versions of SotFS have all the DLC, PS4/XB1/PC have the DLC on top of other things like extra phantoms, mixed up enemy encounters, lighting, etc.
>>336234375
you are joking right?
>>336240618
Majula was beautiful from any specific point
>he doesn't like DS2
Oh I'm sorry Please go on with your life while I keep enjoying this BIRD ASS
>>336242168
The only people who give a fuck about soul memory are pvp tryhards.
For everyone else it was a fine system.
>>336247043
Go fuck yourself
SM made summoning for co op and shit a fucking nightmare.
>>336247165
Hardly. Played the entire game with a friend without having any issues with SM. It's called name engraved ring.
It was nice that it prevented sun bros from farming the same boss, actually. They had to move on in the game instead of co-op the same boss all day.
>>336243512
You cannot believe how wrong you are. I am a drang hammer user, that shit decimates people with it's weapon art.
You don't even know man, you don't even know.
>>336234375
i admit i enjoyed it, but it can't be denied that it was the weakest out of all the other souls games
the areas were just stacked on top of each other, no interconnected areas (also earthen peak to iron keep? how do you even explain that shit)
the graphical downgrade was just unforgivable, console peasants need to fuckin get on their knees and beg for forgiveness, that was unacceptable
and how can we forget about soul memory? hoooooly shit
>>336247315
>oh man iron keep is a pretty shitty place and smelter demon is a pretty hard boss
>I'm going to put my sign down to help some people
>Oh wait because i've already done it im now 50,000 souls above the average level
>Soul memory is fine
Soul Memory managed to completely ruin the two aspects of the game it had any effect on. Its arguably the worst mechanic in the entire soulsborne series with the only competition being how utterly broken rolling was in 2.
Dark Souls 3 lacked the ambience and atmosphere Dark Souls 1 had. Seriously, remember going through Darkroot Garden and just hearing your own footsteps and crickets chirping? Now that's immersion.
>>336240228
>kill pursuer 1v1 on early platform
>get to boss fog
>summon a phantom because the roof camera angle always fucks up my dodging
>walk through fog
>boss isn't there
>phantom gets auto de-summoned
whoops
>>336245802
>le anon can't count meme
1 - DeS 2 - DaS 3 - DaS2 4 - DaS3
wow that's 4
DUDE HUMANS LMAO
>Executioner's Chariot
>Flexile Sentry
>Belfry Gargoyles
>Royal Rat Vanguard
>Royal Rat Authority
>Scorpioness Najka
>The Duke's Dear Freja
>Mytha, the Baneful Queen
>The Rotten
>Covetous Demon
>Guardian Dragon
>Demon of Song
>Darklurker
>Ancient Dragon
>Nashandra
>Sinh, the Slumbering Dragon
>Aava, the King's Pet
>Lud and Zallen, the King's Pets
>Aldia
Literally half of the bosses in the game are inhuman freaks. Compared to Dark Souls where the ratio was about even, I don't know why people bitch when 2 does it.
>>336236960
Because 3 was a proper sequel, not just another story set in the same universe.
I can't fathom why this board is suddenly jumping on DaS2's dick, I mean I do know because the majority of this board likes to be contrarian but DaS2 is an objectively worse game than 3. I tried going back to 2 after getting stuck on nameless king in 3 and everything from the graphics to the movement to the animations to the delay when pressing buttons is just abysmal
>>336248292
>ratio was about even
you're a fucking liar.
Name the humanoid bosses.Smough, Ornstein, Artorias, Gwyn, Iron Giant if you're desperate.
>>336234375
If this is to imply it's better than ds3, it isn't.
>>336248594
Priscilla, Four kings, manus
>>336248292
DaS3 is even worse.
Humanoids -
>Yhorm
>Dancer
>Pontiff
>Firstborn
>Soul of Cinder
>REALLY Old Dragonslayer
>Twinces
>Gundyr
>Gundyr: The Recycling
>Sage
>Deacons
>Abyss watchers
Non-Humans -
>Vordt
>Wyvern (shit boss too)
>Wolnir (another shit boss)
>Nameless phase one (if that even counts)
>OCELOTTE WHERE ARE YOU?!?!
>Gwyndonito: The Trappening
>Old Demon King
>Greatwood
In summary Das3 has more "dudes in armor" than ds2 given the low amount of bosses
>>336248594
You forgot Gwyndolin, Priscilla, Capra Demon, Manus, Taurus, and all three Ass demons. And if you're going to rule out "Literally not a human" and say the boss suddenly makes them not count, Dark Souls 2 also has any giant boss, any sentry/golem boss, and most of their demons revoked as well, making the ratio stacked even harder in its favor.
>>336234375
I have clocked more hours in Dark Souls II than any other remotely Souls-like game. It's my least favourite but something about it just makes it so much fun and so easy to play. I also love watching friends play it (they use my PS3). I like watching them try and work out the puzzles and shit. Hell I'm still not even done with Eleum Loyce.
>play DS2
>love it
>go online
>people explain to me why its bad
>now I don't like it as much
why do i keep doing this to myself
>>336248738
>Four kings, manus
>humanoid
Nah m8.
Capra Demon and Priscilla are the only other bosses that can really related to.
>>336248949
Manus is humanoid. He behaves like a monkey, but it's not some special case where it acting less human than normal makes it suddenly not humanoid.
I really think they dropped the ball on choice when it comes to playing, Dark Souls 3 does a lot better than 2 but at least when I play 2 I can actually play Miracle/Hex/Sorcery without having to get 4/5th through the game to get decent spells or build highly specific builds.
I miss that feature where if you killed things enough they'd stop spawning.
DS3 could have built upon that, and if you kill enemies enough in one area, you might get stronger enemies appearing in their place.
Instead we have the exact same system from DS1 for everything and it's rather lame.
For someone who liked DaS 2 more than most on here, is it worth getting SotFS for ~$20?
>>336248891
If you're counting Taurus and Ass demons you might as well count giant lord and rotten as humanoids.
>>336248292
>Literally half
>About even
So you're saying they're the same. Are you brain damaged? Is this common core at work?
>>336248868
And yet they all feel more memorable than any boss in DS2.
I always loved dark souls 1, but there is one thing I cannot forgive, the fucking one hit kill bosses.
Fuck this shit, why in fuck to they put those shit boses in the games? Is not fun or hard, just tedious, you cant even take any risk because if the rng feels like it you will die in one fucking hit even with havels on.
Vendrick should have been a fun fight, ancient dragon, undead giant, yhorn, instead you just roll around for 20 waiting for the best opening, only that, no fun allowed.
The person who had the idea to bring one hit kill bosses to dark souls should be killed.
>>336249185
Yeah, it's good. The vanilla game looks like a PS2 game t b h
>>336234375
No, it was a shallow as fuck fangame that dedicated far too many resources ma>>336249184
king pvp seem like something more than it was.
>>336249324
Dude.
That's literally because you've (presumably) just beat Dark Souls 3.
Of course it's going to be more memorable and fresh, you dumb fuck.
>>336245890
trap ring is different. Trap ring keeps your gender it just makes you a prissy faggot
i love it
>>336249190
I left giant lord out, and the rotten is only vaguely humanoid in that it has arms. You can't roll between its legs, you can barely maneuver around it horizontally, and it flinches almost never. It's the same as why Quelaag and Najka aren't considered "humanoid". Ass demon is literally just "Fat human with a hammer" with periodic flight.
>>336249307
If your quick-judging illiteracy isn't a sign you should calm down, I should at least request you re-read it. I meant the ratios between Dark Souls 2 and Dark Souls 1 are very close.
>>336249378
The only time a move should be 1 hit kill is rarely used moves with huge telegraphs. An example is Ludwig's Sword Explosion.
>>336241671
>thinking bloodborne is a real souls game
>>336249185
If you already played the DLC, no. Otherwise yes but remember it has to be PS4/X1/PC
>>336249141
god this meme is so stupid
DS2 bosses were shit because they all acted so similar to one another, not because they were humanoid.
Stop being so pedantic.
>>336249501
>Made my character looks pretty young and thin
>Get the dancer armor
>Hah, makes him look like a lady
>Put on the trap ring
I am now confused sexually
>>336249478
I'm currently playing DS3. Every boss so far has stayed in my memory just because of their design or the way the whole fight was orchestrated.
I didn't even finish DS2, where nearly every boss just made me think "well, this was dull".
>>336249378
Vendrick literally moves at a snail's pace. How the fuck can anyone die to Vendrick
>>336249387
Are the graphics even that much of an improvement though, especially if I'm playing on an Xbone? Just curious, don't care too much about graphics.
>>336249810
He still hits like a freight train, and if you aren't paying attention or positioned right, you're pretty much dead on contact.
>>336239539
I don't see how anyone calls them B team after the clutch design that was every DkS2 expansion. They are fucking A now.
>>336249925
Eh, not really from what I remember. It just has better lighting, but you're still going to get the same ugly textures. For $20 or fewer, it's definitely worth getting.
>>336250072
B team is just a meme.
In reality it's mostly the same people who made other games at From Soft.
DS2's issue is that it was massively rushed because Bandai Namco are greedy kikes.
>>336249184
>Instead we have the exact same system from DS1 for everything
not really? look at how they do invasions now
>can invade while unkindled
>winning the invasions restores your ember and gives you an ember item
>if you lose, you don't go back to the bonfire but you leave a bloodstain in the place where you died
>returning after an invasion puts enemies back in their original locations but restores their health
it really changed how I went about invading when I was playing the game
>>336250072
>Lud and Zallen
>Cool Ranch Demon
>Gank Squad
These bosses should have just been left out.
Also because they should have put the effort and skill into the vanilla game. So for now they're +-0 in my book.
>>336250312
>game tries to have extra content even if it's not perfect
>"I dont like it it should've been left out!!!"
It's not even easy to find those bosses, particularly the first two
>>336249478
I put hundreds of hours into DS2. I really enjoyed it
The bosses were a glaring weakpoint of the game. The difference in quality between the bossfights in DS2 and the bossfights in BB or DS3 is staggering
>>336248931
>Feel similarly.
>Play through DS3 twice.
>Go back and play 2 and realize how much more I'm enjoying it.
>>336250312
every souls game has gimmicky or shit bosses, you are ignoring the fact that the area design is what was clutch. Bosses alone does not equal souls quality.
I liked the gank squad.
>>336250209
DS3 had a shorter dev time
DS2's main problem was a complete lack of direction. They trashed a ton of concepts, and apparently began the game from scratch about halfway through.
>>336250214
that isn't exactly game changing though, is it?
3 > 1 > 2
>>336250312
They were better than nothing, which is what I assumed we would have gotten if they chose to use the 10 man-hours they put into those areas on something else. They were a separate bonus on top of the main content and are decent if you play them as intended, with summons.
>>336250805
and despawning enemies was? quit moving the goalposts
It just made farming enemeis needlessly stressful. I can't believe they thought it was a good idea to take away the full red eye orb, not sell it through merchants (in the NG pvp server at least) and then make it so the only enemies that dropped cracked red eye orb would eventually stop spawning
BB > DS3 > DS1 > DeS >> DS2
>no bonfire ascetic in DS3
>meaning I can't replay bosses unless i play online
Explain to me why DS2 isn't better again?
>>336248868
The problem isnt dudes in armor its dudes in armor with the same 3 attacks that dark souls 2 had
>>336234375
much better upgrading options, better weapon selection, and better gear selection doesnt make up for the terrible hit boxes, terrible level design, mediocre boss design and bad lore.
DS3 only made me realize even more how horrible DS2 was.
>>336242774
I'm going to start calling it a Chinese knockoff in every thread
I hope it gives you an autism aneurysm
>>336241714
>Falseflagging
>>336251348
>Ascetics removed
>Changing/adding enemies in NG+ removed.
>Power stance removed.
>Poise removed.
>Estus is now given out like candy, can be drunk instantly, and restores health instantly.
>Rolling has more i-frames than ever and costs less stamina contributing to the above point.
>Spells cost HP to cast, effectively, in a game about exploration, survival, and resource management.
Why did DS3 remove every good part of DS2?
>>336246913
ok
>>336234375
It was shit. Go suck a fat dick OP.
>>336243872
>Even maces couldn't stagger enemies fast enough to stunlock them in DS2
do you just make this shit up?
