I can't believe people actually like this garbage boss.
>RNG attacks, you only get a chance to attack him if he decides to let you, making using heavy weapons an absolute pain in the ass.
>2nd phase is real fucking joke
LITERALLY
WORST
BOSS FIGHT
IN THE GAME
>>336224520
just summon some dudes and let them deal with it
>>336224520
there's no need to be upset
>>336224520
Just watch a let's play.
He's balanced for dex weapons, just like nameless king.
>mfw fighting him with ugs
Seriously, did Miyazaki the hack think this is Bloodborne or something
>Dude, let's give the players a slow-ass weapons but make the enemies fast as fuck LMAO
>>336224661
but you can stun lock nameless king its even easier with big str weapons.
>>336224968
Only if the faggot let you attack him.
He can literally attack you forever and there's nothing you can do about it.
>>336224520
just someone holy shit, how can one man be so inept?
>>336224968
Don't talk to me ever again.
for real though, the game was so much easier with a dex weapon.
I finished bloodborne with the holy greatsword without any problems but das3 really has bad weapon balancing.
I don't know, you seemed to be doing fine in that .webm...
>>336225138
dunno I disagree str weapon are strong as fuck. Sure you cant spam like a retarded dex babby but you do enough dmg with one hit. Also right now I prefer faith/magic builds for everything.
>>336225232
Like I said, 2nd phase is a fucking joke.
>>336225396
It's literally Gwyn's moveset with the same death animation and everything. You can evenparryhim.
>>336224520
oh my god, git gud
>>336225483
Please, Gywn doesn't have unfair mix-up in his moveset.
>>336225748
>unfair
Fuck off. You're bad.
>>336225802
Fuck off, bosses in second half are garbage and wasn't meant for slow weapon users at all.
>>336225884
Going to be a "Haha, works for me! :^)" faggot but holy shit I beat the two Princes and SoC with Vordt's mace. Get good.
>>336225884
But.. didn't you get hyped when he fucking RESTED on his sword and restored all his health?i did
>>336225315
>right now I prefer faith/magic builds for everything.
Tell me your secrets.
>>336226246
I got an adrenaline rush when I heard the piano start playing in the music. God damn the sound design is so good in this game.
>>336226030
So did I.
Doesn't mean it's a good design.
What I'm getting here is that people that use great/ultra weapons what to be able to spam their attacks on bosses, hence the anger.
>another souls thread
[-]
>>336224942
>its harder to time attacks onslow weapons and sometimes theres not enough time
no shit buddy
>>336224520
holy shit stop complaining and actually get fucking good at the game, I beat with with a greatsword first try
he was easier than nameless for fuck sake
>>336225315
>Sure you cant spam like a retarded dex babby but you do enough dmg with one hit.
Fast weapon can get hits in where slow weapons can't and when slow weapon has room for one swing, fast weapon hits twice times basically negating the damage advantage big weapons have.
>>336226710
>spam
You can barely get one attack in at anytime, and that's if the boss decided not to use any mix-up immediately after.
>>336226997
I can attack twice with BKGA against NK. I really think you guys are just so mad you want to swing more.
If that's the case use a smaller weapon. At least it will make you feel that you did something if that's what you want.
>>336224520
Never played that game, but does rolling make you invulnerable? That's how it seemed in the video and it looked laughable.
>>336227274
Dodging having invulnerability frames is pretty much standard in most action games with some sort of dodge.
>>336227559
And it looks absurd.
>>336224661
bullshit
you just get one good hit on him during his openings instead of 2-3
>>336225067
Rolling attacks.
>>336224520
This game can't decide if it wants to be Souls game or a Bloodborne game.
>>336227814
But feels good in play.
Seriously, there is a reason why dodges with i-frames are standard mechanic at this point.
>>336227559
>Dodging having invulnerability frames is pretty much standard in most action games for filthy plebs.
Fixed that.
>>336228051
Considering armor is useless and you have no choice but to roll for some bosses I think they made their decision.
>>336226491
And you not liking it doesn't mean it's bad design. You have shit taste and suck at the game.
>>336224520
If you couldn't tell that the bosses were going progressively more Bloodborne and didn't have a quick weapon as a backup, I don't know what to tell you.
>>336228121
Show me a good action game with no dodging or no invinsibility in dodges.
>>336226249
Not that guy, but pyromancy is actually pretty good. Sorcery becomes good at insanely high int and with crystal spells, but it's really underwhelming otherwise
>>336227274
yes it does, it has the most invulnerability frames in souls history
>>336227123
I killed NK with the great machete, you just have to recognize the end of a combo and attack before he finishes. Not rocket science
>>336224520
His 2nd phase is easier than the first. Is it even possible to hit him using a slow weapon in phase 1?
>High damage weapon has a downside in speed
What a surprise
Fuck off and git dud. Theres multiple threads a day bitching about bosses in dark souls go post in one of them or take it to /vg/
>>336228741
Yes, that's what I did. And it's an absolute torture. He's a biggest joke in caster mode though. Lance/Spear mode is pretty easy too.
Scimitar/Pyro mode? Not so much.
You know what's real bullshit and all the games are guilty of it?
Having 1-2-3 attack strings that the boss will randomly just not complete and then whack you with a quick attack after you roll in anticipation of another swing.
>>336228943
This wasn't a problem in DaS and DaS 2 at all.
>>336228536
Catching people in the end of their rolls was so good in DaS1 because you got the extra instability damage as well. Now I haven't PvP'd much in 3 but it really does look like you can't do fuck all to hit the guy as long as he's rolling.
>>336228785
The main problem in 3 is that these heavy weapons really aren't that much more damaging than quicker alternatives.
Two swings out of a quick weapon is most of the time an easier thing to accomplish than 1 swing of a larger weapon and will also net you more damage.
>>336224520
>using heavy weapons an absolute pain in the ass.
It's like that the entire game
>>336229224
It shits on those Lothric Knights though.
GIT
GUD
post
>yfw you fell for the poise meme
>>336229295
a toothpick can stunlock those knights. alternatively, they can stunlock you when you are still recovering from the heavy weapons attack.
>someone posts a legitimate flaw
>G-GIT GUD!
Every time, this fanbase is fucking insufferable. At maybe eventually people will acknowledge the game's flaws, went through the same shit with Dark Souls 2.
>>336229509
But there is no flaw
>>336229509
The flaw is indeed legitimate, but it's in the player
Use the Farron Greatsword L1. You'll spin under his attack and still damage him.
>>336229036
Normal roll is 14/9 invincibility frames/recovery at 30fps
blood ring is 19/4
DaS 1 had 12/12 and 14/8 for the fast roll and flip respectively
So yeah, in addition to tripling the allowed weight for a decent roll the standard roll in 3 is basically flipping, and blood ring rolls have a third more invincibility frames and half the recovery of flipping.
>>336229419
I don't know what kind of toothpick you were using but I couldn't stunlock them with broadsword at all.
Meanwhile, charging up R2 and wait for those faggots knight to charge in is hilarious as fuck.
If I kill this guy but don't light the last fire, will he still be there?
>>336229509
>Unsufferable fanbase
Implying I'm a dark souls fan im tired of the same threads taking up half of /v/ everyday
>you have to find openings to make attacks with big, slow weapons
>when you attack you do a good amount of damage
>often they stagger for an extra attack
I literally do not see your issue, besides you're mad that not everything plays exactly the same. In those webms the player looks like they're doing just fine.
>>336229761
long sword and broadsword can both stagger them out of their attack animation and keep it that way until you run out of stamina. they get hyper armor half way in their swinging anim or their shield bash (which is fast enough that half of its duration is irrelevant).
>>336229709
>blood ring is 19/4
honestly just makes me feel like going naked, twohanding a Grass Crest shield and rolling away endlessly
>>336229907
>>when you attack you do a good amount of damage
>>often they stagger for an extra attack
Why do you lie anon
>>336230341
I don't know what you're talking about, a greataxe stuns the shit out of bosses. Almost all of them get stunned at least twice, and some like SoC spend most of their time kneeling.
>>336229509
These threads suck though. All bosses are fair and people just need to learn how to do them, there's nothing to discuss.
>>336230515
You're implying the designers make no mistakes and that they're gods of boss design which is false. There are flaws.
>>336229509
This is not a game flaw, since a lot of people beat this boss. So the flaw is in some players that can't understand how this boss works.
Git gud or go home you faggot!
>>336230568
Nothing is perfect my friend, but if I managed to do it, that means there's a way to kill them and they're not impossible. People just need togit gud.
>>336229598
>>336229639
No the flaw is that weapon balance in this game is completely fucked, there is LITERALLY no reason to use heavy weapons in this game unless you enjoy suffering
>b-but git g-g-gud!
>>336230568
They're not perfect, but at some point, you gotta wonder that if everyone else is enjoying it maybe you're the one who might be mistaken.
Actually, never mind that. There's no way YOU can be wrong. Everyone else must be delusional. Ignore everyone anon, they're just blind fanboys, you're spreading the gospel of truth to these blind sheeple.
>>336230684
Nobody said there were impossible bosses.
>>336224520
>;_; ITS HAAAAAAAAAARRRRRRRDDDDDDDDD
You really do need to stop.
>>336230756
>Actually, never mind that. There's no way YOU can be wrong. Everyone else must be delusional. Ignore everyone anon, they're just blind fanboys, you're spreading the gospel of truth to these blind sheeple.
Fucking wake up
>>336230756
considering how everyone praises the bosses that are virtually the same (nameless king, pontiff, dancer, etc), i really don't see how they're not retarded.
though, the game is extremely easy considering how difficult people make it out to be.
>Everyone whines about the game being balanced around dex users
>Completed the game using a greatsword by learning good windows of attack and managing my rolling attacks
Don't let me tell you to git gud, ok?
>>336231170
>by learning good windows of attack and managing my rolling attacks
You only need to learn how to press R1 using straight swords. Slow, heavy weapons only make the game harder.
>>336231282
I don't care, the game has always had different difficulty based on the weapon you chose for youself.
If people preferred straight swords they are free to use them. I liked my greatsword and completed the game with it without particular problems.
>>336228192
>beat and then criticize game
>get good, you suck, shit taste etcetera
nigga will you just accept that maybe, just maybe, from isn't infallible? i haven't seen fanboyism like this since grade school
Problem is there is no upside for Heavy weapons. There just isn't. They should do way more dmg, but thats what you get in a SP rpg you squeezed PvP in. Blanket nerfs/buffs that just ruin PvE, the main part of the game.
I played all of the games offline and it's very apparent really.
Souls shitters will defend this because muh invashiun.
What buffable weapon in this game hits the hardest?
I want to slap on some Blessed Weapon, cast Sacred Oath and see 800+ AR.
>>336224942
>No buffs
>Spamming rolls
>No use of Weapon Arts
Dude sucks
>>336231469
>Problem is there is no upside for Heavy weapons. There just isn't.
smacking down bosses in very small number of hits makes you feel like a fuckin boss and requires skill.
I used heavy great axe thru the game and heavy armor with a bunch of points pumped into equip load, without upgrading estus, and i beat every significant boss except sulyvahn without summoning
>>336231170
>I gimped my playthrough and you should too
This community is so retarded. You just need this franchise to tell you you don't suck at video-games. Newsflash shitlords, its a clunky ass console crawler and DSP beat all the games.
There is absolutely nothing "hard" about them, they are shittily made lock on beat em ups with a great art style and level design. Nothing more nothing less.
You are still shit at video-games.
the running R1 and R2 in that very webm will low-profile you past many bosses' horizontal attacks, including that one
>>336231659
>I gimped my playthrough and you should too
But that wasn't my point. My point, and you know too instead of strawmanning without a retard, was that people make slow weapon sound like they are impossible to use, that the game is not balanced towards them and so on. But I know that even a player of medium experience and for sure not as good as the best ones in this community as me can use them effectively.
Yes, I blame people not learning to use their weapons and adapting, calling it "gimping their paythroughs".
And where the fuck did the rest of your post come from? I have no idea what you are talking about.
>>336231462
Who the fuck in this thread is saying that From are perfect? If they are, Shit like Deacons, Wolnir, and Ancient Wyvern won't be in the game.
Dark Souls 3 isn't perfect, and has plenty of legit problems, but Soul of Cinder really isn't one of them.
The only problem with that boss is that the second phase ended too fast.
>>336231539
I didn't say you can't go through the game with them. But you gimp yourself with them. Willingly.
I played through it NG+ testing all the weapons. Heavy weapons just force you into problems that can plain fuck you in the ass. Also the kill times are mostly worse with heavy weapons.
Straight swords stagger, rapiers stagger, even dagger stagger. But no poise for heavy weapons except you spam special abilities, and even THEN the kill times are slower.
Get rid of PvP in the game and make a decent balance is what they should've done after demons souls.
Failed franchise is failed.
>>336231659
>dsp beat all the games
You know I actually watched a fair bit of him playing them.
He gave up 1 in blighttown. Picked it up like a year later because he got fed up with being called a bitch. Second run he got dumped weapons and looked up guides when he got stuck, like on artorias. Stacked poise and just traded with the bosses. 2 he just spammed lightning spears and summoned where that didn't work. Didn't know he finished 3 yet, but he was over 300 deaths when I last saw him. Heard he dropped the BB DLC at ludwig too.
>>336231972
with that said i cant imagine how easy this game is if you use a dex setup and upgrade your estus
it did take me about 25 tries to kill aldrich, but it feels like my favorite victory of the souls series
>>336231972
Other people liking a game you don't enjoy must really ruin the day for you.
>>336231820
No YOU don't get it. Gimping your playthrough means you are using mechanics that make you less effective.
Meaning heavy weapons, because thats a fact son. There is kill times and all that other noise as data.
That's what people mean with gimping yourself.
It's like playing metal gear 5 without weapons. That's also gimping your playthrough.
You are the only one saying you cant play through the game with HW's.
I noticed people hardly ever complained about Dragonslayer Armour.
Best boss fight or best boss fight?
>>336232201
Yes, yes, I get it. You are a minmaxers. I get it. Someone that must always use the top-of-the-lane and optimized equipment and strategy or its not fun.
I understand, we have different styles. I don't think I gimped myself, I think I made the game -fun- for myself. But anything that goes for you it's ok, anon.
>>336229774
>If I kill him will he still be there?
Wut? If you mean does it automatically spit you out to ng+ the answer is no. You can kill him, link the fire, and continue on in your first playthrough. You'll just have to choose to not go to ng+ right after the credits and do it later in firelink shrine at the bonfire.
>>336231972
You're not wrong, but I don't share the perspective. Where you see wilful gimping, I see a choice to play on medium rather than easy; where you see problems, I see a playstyle that requires better timing and spacing.
those arent real problems OP
the fact that they rehashed and reused music, character animations and even boss movesets from a game that came out 5 years ago - now thats a flaw.
>>336232006
He legitimately beat the games. And he is one the worst gamers on youtube. The WORST.
Face it the souls franchise was striving on shitters torturing themselves with simply unfair, inconsistent games, just to not get called bad at video-games.
And that's ultimately what From banked on after Demon's Souls. They didn't advance the franchise one bit. It has the same insanely shiotty controls it had since Demon Souls because those controls get you killed.
And then they focused way too much attention to PvP , ruining pve in the process but didn't care, because again, that will get you killed.
The souls shitter community is the reason why this franchise didn't evolve one bit. It could've been epic, now it's just gonna be forgotten.
>>336224520
>>336225067
I beat him with FUGS just fine. It's easy as fuck to bait out his five hit combo and roll away once it's over. The windows are huge after most of his attacks in both phases
Maybe it's just me but he looks a lot more docile than when I fought him. The webm makes the fight look pathetically easy. Maybe it's just the range on that greatsword I don't know but cinder also just seems less agressive. I think there's just a lot of variable for this guy and nameless king.
>>336232692
>shitters torturing themselves with simply unfair, inconsistent games, just to not get called bad at video-games.
This is starting to remind me about Monster Hunter's threads.
>>336232760
>but cinder also just seems less agressive.
RNG.
dude nostalgia lmao
dude fight urself lmao
>>336232361
Just kill yourself son. You are either too young or too stupid to follow the argument. Or maybe both I don't care. Just do it.
>>336224661
I found him easier on my STR character than on my DEX character. Although they really should turn poise on, it's definitely making using a UGS needlessly difficult.
>>336232713
>That reference
>>336224520
and I can't believe people actually like this garbage game.
>>336224520
I'm already done with 2 playthroughs
1 was quality build
The other was pure stregnth with BKGA
This guy is nothing. Absolutely nothing .I don't even know how do you find this hard.
He is probably the easiest final boss in Souls sans the one in DeS
>>336232859
I just understand you are really, really mad and feel the need to share your hate for those games anon. I'm so so sorry.
>>336232760
The whole game is RNG and they forced way too much attack patterns into everything.
The result makes npc's seem more lively, but gameplay....also horribly telegraphed attacks, and sometimes not telegraphed at all.
I don't understand why people have so much vitality.
What's the point of wasting points in that stat? Isn't it simpler to just not get hit?
Question about breaking bosses stamina. Does knight Slayer Ring cause bosses to stagger faster?
>>336229709
>Normal roll is 14/9 invincibility frames/recovery at 30fps
Does that mean that at 60 FPS you get fucking 28 frames of invulnerability? Holy shit. Also is there a difference between the 69% roll and 29% roll?
>>336233001
I can understand if you didn't bother getting to them, but there's no possible way Soul of Cinder is easier than Nashandra or Aldia
and if you mean blob Allant, the de facto final boss in DeS is False Allant
>>336232692
>He legitimately beat the games
By reading guides, being dropped items, and letting others beat the bosses for him when he can't do it and still racking up several hundreds of deaths in each game. Or just dropping the game(BB) entirely.
>Face it the souls franchise was striving on shitters torturing themselves with simply unfair, inconsistent games, just to not get called bad at video-games.
if you don't like it, why bother? I mean it's the fifth release, you should know what to expect by now.
>>336232319
Easiest more like it.
>>336233273
Yes.
>Also is there a difference between the 69% roll and 29% roll?
Only in terms of distance as far as I know. Was the same in 2.
>>336233273
>69% roll and 29% roll?
no
>>336224520
>Beat whole game shieldless with BKGS
Was really fucking tired of roll 4 times roll>rollpoke by the end of it being the way to fight every humanoid boss.
Too many of the same kind of boring faggot bosses with 1 thing 'different'
>Abyss walker is fast dipshit with sword combos and a sprint attack
>Pontiff is fast dipshit with sword combos and a sprint attack that turns into an easy WWF match where he keeps trying to peoples elbow you
>gundyr is just a big dipshit with an input reading elbow poke
>Soul of cinder is a tryhard pvp faggot with sword attacks and sprint. oh and then gwyn because fuckit. the epitome of the game that kept reusing mechanics is a *literal* reuse
>nameless king is just some dickhole with not-sword combos.
I like DS3, I do, but fuckin shit it got samey at the end. I actually enjoyed the brainless easy dragon part of NK more than him.
>>336230756
>you gotta wonder that if everyone else is enjoying it maybe you're the one who might be mistaken.
Call of Duty and League of Legends confirmed for best games ever made. Everybody is enjoying them, clearly they can't be wrong.
>>336233001
How is SoC easier than Gwyn if he is literally Gwyn in his second phase ?
>>336233225
Knight Slayer is for guardbreak, not poisebreak. None of the bosses block, so presumably not.
>>336233289
>DaS2
Never happened
Doesn't exist
If the de facto final boss of the game is the False King then even DeS final boss is harder than SoC
>>336233273
>28 frames of invulnerability
Yes, and they last the same amount of time as 14 frames at 30 fps
Is the bloodring worth the damage you take?
>>336233360
>>336233403
Well, shit, that's a fuckton of iframes, almost half a goddam second. Guess I'll make my next character a dickass thief that relies on rolls instead of a shield.
>>336233419
Because R1 spamming won't kill Gwyn
>>336233563
Thats how i killed gwyn
I think I died about two times before I won by rolling through all of his shit. I'd say the dragon-riding fag was worse because you could only literally strike him a single time before starting rolling/defending.
>>336233487
>debuted cloth physics
>hammer / axe movesets
>better netcode than BB and everything before it
>numerous beautiful armor sets
>Lost Bastille
>Sunken King DLC (minus Cave of the Dead), Fume and Alonne fights
Every race has a last place, but yes, it did exist.
>>336228536
Huh, this is pretty much every DaS3 pvp match ever. Shit became so fucking boring with invincible rolls, ganks and the estus-fest it is.
>>336233494
Depends entirely on your rolling skills, obviously
aldrich making me angry. I can get him to about 20% health but then there is nowhere to hide from his rain of arrow rape.
>>336234152
Just pick a direction and run
>>336233494
You can half-ass so many dodges on even your first playthrough that you'll rarely take damage, but it will hurt if you do - your defenses can drop into the negative with certain armor sets.
>>336233061
Volltrottel.
Either discuss shit with us, or go away.
Nobody needs fags that excuse everything just for the sake of fanboying. Get a T-shirt and fuck off.
>>336233296
>I mean it's the fifth release, you should know what to expect by now.
That's a very juicy line. I give you some time to think about it before I answer.
>>336234152
Ignore the flames and stay underneath him constantly, he always rises into the corner farthest from you. If he shoots the arrows still you will have to prioritize avoiding it, so consider tanking his orbs and spears with dark defense armors and the stoneplate ring.
>>336233273
Actually it's worse. Because they don't give a shit about the best platform that can actually run their games.
From Software are absolute hacks. All the talent is in the art and level design, and you won't find a single japanese name in those departments. Go figure.
>>336232692
Oh my god what kind of mindless drivel is this? Who let you near a keyboard you fucking cave man?
>>336233651
t.havel the rock
I died here like at least 30 times. I had summons for a couple of the game's harder bosses, but wouldn't allow myself that kind of crutch here.
It was an awesome challenge, kept me sweating most of the time, and an incredibly satisfying rush to complete.
Soul of Cinder is among my top tier bosses for the game and Soulsborne series in general.
>>336234152
The rain of arrows have a slow turning rate. If you run in a big circle it can't catch you
>>336234431
Not even that guy but you're such a fucking retard it hurts. Nobody cares about your shit opinion. Why don't you go play a video game instead of complaining on /v/? Holy shit.
>tfw you started the series with Bloodborne and it makes every other game feel babby tier
>>336234879
>>336230698
Nah. They have good-great range and aren't nearly as slow as you think they are. They have super armor and unparryable attacks. They do great single hit damage and if you combo do great combo damage. Nothing wrong with heavy weapons. What the fuck do YOU know about balance? You're shit at video games and have shit opinions. Go outside you fucking faggot.
>>336234952
It's called a discussion fanboy.
Last time I checked this was a board for and about video-game enthusiasts, not a cuddle the devs no matter what they throw at us board.
If you really can't handle that get the fuck out you piece of shit.
>>336235090
Nice opinions son. Do you have any fucking data to back that shit up? They are in the game and they are outshined by "small" weapons. Those are facts. The balance IS off and From software ARE hacks.
Jump off a bridge.
>>336232987
>play game with executioners greatsword
>with no poise, bosses become rage inducing fuck faces as well as average enemies
>still beat the game through all the bullshit
>find out later that poise is turned off and that you can r1 spam most bosses
Seriously think it's retarded that poise is turned off, it's pretty much a fuck you to all heavy weapons users because they can't attack fast enough without getting staggered
>>336224520
He was too fucking easy. If anything, I wish he had a third phase.
