What did you think of the Sonic Advance series?
Best series of games that aren't the Classic trilogy.
Sonic blows.
Sonic Advance was my first sonic game
>>336217906
1 was very good.
2 was good althugh some of the stages suffered for being on a small screen, they could have done with moving the character position back further at high speed to give you more of a look at what was coming up and giving you a chance to react. There were death pits every 10 fucking seconds on some stages.
3 was a huge disappointment.
Battle was the best sonic game on the GBA though, holy shit that game was on point.
>Advance 1
meh
>Advance 2
projectile vomiting
>Advance 3
breddy gud
and for fun
>Rush
literally the best Sonic game released that decade, Blaze is mai waifu and so is Hideki Naganuma
>Rush Adventure
meh
>>336218202
How about instead of getting upset over my opinion, you contribute meaningfully to the conversation I'm trying to facilitate? I'm not trying to fucking argue which game is best, I told you this is my first. Just because this is 4chan doesn't mean you have to be an asshole all the time.
>>336218342
>2 worse than 3
>2 worse than Rush Adventure
>Dickriding Rush 1 when it has flaws like garbage water stages and that fucking screen split gimmick, as well as the one button tops speed boost horseshit that lets them get away with filling every stage with 90 degree turns.
I mean Rush 1 is great and I loved it, especiall the OST and the later stages, but it's no messiah.
Then again I feel Shadow the Hedgehog was a worthy Sonic Adventure 3 since they finally got to do the branching story paths they had planned for SA2. The controls were the tightest in any 3d game, with the same feel as SA2 and the camera improvements from Heroes, without importing the garbage controls from Heroes.
When the FUCK is this coming to NA VC
1 felt pretty slow, I really liked 2 and 3. I think I like 3 better since having Sonic as a team mate made youWAYPASTCOOL
>>336218741
>likes Advance 2
>enjoys any aspect of Adventure 2 whatsoever
so what's it like being out of high school for a whole year now?
>>336218845
You tell me Rushboi.
Get back to me when you can beat me in a no glitch run of Sonic 2 VS mode, I'll tear you apart.
>Advance
Like the classic series but clunkier, and with worse level design, worse music, boring stock level tropes, etc.
It's good but very bland and safe.
>Advance 2
Speedrun-focused game. Great if you want to go fast, shit for other purposes. Some cool level ideas. Worst special stage system ever.
>Advance 3
Tries to be a middle-ground between 1 and 2 which doesn't work at all, and suffers for half-baked gimmicks and the worst level design of the Advance games by far with the most unforeseeable obstacles, bottomless pits, poorly placed crushing hazards, etc.
Great music and some cool level ideas though.
>>336218326
>they could have done with moving the character position back further at high speed to give you more of a look at what was coming up and giving you a chance to react
But they did do that.
>>336218741
>shitting on Rush Adventure
World exploring filler and not quite as good music aside it's an upgrade over Rush in almost every way, though.
>>336218990
>Bootleg Naganuma music that's legitimately shit
>Dipshit the Flying Squirrel
>Those fucking waterski sections
>Worse level design in general
>Game feels entirely uninspired
Come on now.
>There are people in this thread RIGHT NOW who enjoyed this game
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6o47N-aYd08
>>336218989
Okay, I take it back.
You're still in High School.
>>336217906
1: good. Sonic.
2&3: Not good, not Sonic.
>>336219482
Is that the only thing you can type? Are you suffering from the aftereffects of a stroke? Or is this the most pathetic case of projection I've ever seen?I fucking wish I was still in high school with my life ahead of me and my Saturn on the way, before I knew I backed the wrong horse and it didn't even get a fucking Sonic game. Panzer Dragoon didn't make up for it. You have no fucking idea what it was like being a Segafag back in the day then having it all crumble into dust, being that dumb fuck who didn't have a PS1 or an N64 because muh Sonic.
>>336219428
I did
The story was good
The combat gameplay à la EBA was top tier
The music didn't bother me much and I beat the game 3 times to 100% it
>>336217906
I don't know about the rest, but Sonic Advance 2 had an aversion towards going fast.
>>336218845
>hating on adventure 2
it's ok friend you don't have to be edgy to fit in on this sub
1 is a good attempt at a Genesis style Sonic game but the levels are too small and the music sucks.
2 is a good prototype of Sonic Rush, but Rush is better in almost every way.
3 just sucks
>>336219168
>>Bootleg Naganuma music that's legitimately shit
No. It's not as good, but it's still good, especially the boss musics.
>>Dipshit the Flying Squirrel
What?
>>Those fucking waterski sections
I said "dumb world exploring filler aside". I know it's shit.
>>Worse level design in general
Don't agree in the slightest. The level design is much better.
>no enemy kill rooms
>fewer slow shitty gimmick sections (pseudo-3D hang gliding, end of Mirage Road where you dodge falling rocks, etc.)
>far fewer cheap shit that nearly requires you have the level memorized to not die
>>Game feels entirely uninspired
How so?
The levels and bosses and world as a whole are more creative and interesting than what Rush had on offer, and Rush had some real lazy and uninspired decisions like making you redo everything with no changes but level order as Blaze, reusing the first boss for Huge Crisis, doing yet more Sonic 2 style special stages, featuring no original level tropes, not doing anything with two screens during bosses, etc.
>>336220050
It's a racoon not a flying squirrel, apparently. Who fucking knows, it looks like a shitty fan character.
I still replay advance 2 to this day.
Despite that, I've never gotten all the chaos emeralds. The only 2D sonic game with such a fucked up system of getting them that I probably never will. Got close though. But goddam that last special stage.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XmO0hHxAK6w
>>336220671
I've never even seen the special stage. I have no idea how anyone is supposed to do it without a guide.
>>336220671
Yo fuck Advanced 2's method of getting Chaos Emeralds.
>You need to get seven rings in any given stage these can be ANYWHERE
>Then you have to go the special stage which are a pain
Sega lost their goddamn minds with Chaos Emeralds requirements in the GBA Soinc games.
>>336221170
Advance 1 is pretty straightforward.
>find special spring
>jump on it
The special stages themselves suck though.
>>336220671
>somehow managed all 7 emeralds in Advance 2 as Sonic
>Advance 3's 7th special stage remains unbeaten to this day
Fuck those pseudo 3D tornado shit stages
>>336221280
Oh right. 1's pretty simple my bad.
Fuck 2 and 3's though holy fuck.
>>336221170
Wouldn't even be so bad if the levels were the size of Sonic 2 on Genesis, but they're fucking huge and if you don't know where they all are in advance you can easily run out the timer before you explore the whole level
>Had a flash cart my Hong Kong buddy picked up for me for my GBA
>Could literally hold 2 normal games or one large game
>Took 40 mins to write the games via serial port
It was worth the asking price alone just to write a fucking Sonic Advance 2 save with all the emeralds after 2 solid weeks of trying to do it myself. I was salty the advance games didn't allow Super Sonic in normal stages, but the Super Sonic stage in 2 was fucking fantastic.
Music Planet zone is GOAT.
Why was this allowed?
>>336221623
I have no fucking idea. Even rushing real hard to meet a deadline to release on the 15th anniversary doesn't excuse some of issues with this port.
Chaos Angel had some GODLY music to it. Advance 3's soundtrack seriously needs a remaster
>tfw everyone forgets there was basically a Rush 3 and it was good as FUCK
It's not the same as the other versions.
>>336221462
They aren't that huge. The bigger issue is the levels sort of push you forward. Backtracking to explore is extremely difficult in a lot of places. The game is designed for fast, not finding things.
>>336221886
>tfw everyone forgets there was basically a Rush 3
>yfw you're among them
>>336222031
>Colors
>Rush
It's a great game, but it's too puzzly to be a pure Sonic experience.
>>336221886
I liked this better than the Rush games actually, unfortunately there were only 7 levels and the Classic stages are either straight ripoffs or very weak.
>>336222104
Puzzly?
Colors DS is Rush with Wisp sections.
>>336222198
Might have to give this a go if it's more fast paced than the Wii one.
I really hope Sonic Team goes back to Rush/Generations style Sonic games. I'm happy they're always trying to experiment but Lost World was awful.
I actually went back and bought Unleashed because I loved Colors Wii and Generations so much, but goddamn everything aside from the 1 main daytime level in each stage is pretty much bullshit.
3 > 1 > 2
Great games overall, but they have that issue that a lot of handheld Sonic games do where the games encourage players to go really fast with springs, through loops and up ramps and stuff, yet it insists on putting nearly unreactable obstacles like spikes, walls, enemies in your path, ensured to force you to a grinding halt.
Rush introduce the boosting to sort of circumvent this problem, but the boost feels kind of like a cop-out that just avoids the flaws in the design. Granted, this issue wasn't nearly as big of a deal in future Sonic games, since the screen is much larger. Still has some instances of it and it's frustrating if anything.
I get that you're meant to play the levels over and over to figure out the most efficient route, but I still think a good player should be able to get through a level at least somewhat fast without having to suffer running into spikes and enemies due to his lack of clairvoyance.
>>336221817
The trilogy in general has really good music. Too bad it was on the GBA and sound quality was kind of bad, but in this case it mostly works.
https://youtu.be/LMejRoS7N08
>>336222463
>yet it insists on putting nearly unreactable obstacles like spikes, walls, enemies in your path, ensured to force you to a grinding halt.
If that is such an issue to you, why then do you rate the Advance game that's the most guilty of doing this the highest?
>>336222350
>Lost World was awful.
Everything I've seen from the game looks really fun. I don't see what the problem is. I haven't played it, but what was so bad about it?
>>336222712
I just really like the partner system is all.
>>336222628
I would love to hear some of these songs on a Genesis instead of the abortion that is the GBA sound chip
>>336222802
That would be amazing. Why aren't there more fan-composers that use legit soundchips and stuff to create good tunes? I have an incredible amount of respect to those who go out of their way to get the music to sound like legit stuff.
>>336222762
Parkour never works right and the 2D sections (of which there are many) are the most un-Sonic you could possibly get it platforming, with tons of blocky terrain devoid of physics, a run button and a double jump.
I would argue that every Sonic game looks really fun if you see someone who has mastered the level playing it, but actually trying to get that good can be boring as hell.
>>336222802
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2H7iu3mdiao
>>336218990
Good opinion, the problem is that you are completely wrong
>>336222802
Come now, some people managed to make that chip sing.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MbJkak2oA2M
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0JiaGi3_KMs
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Yqqn-U19x0
>>336222882
For every actually talented composer there are a ton of kids who are content to just download a Genesis soundfont, swap out some instruments of the original song and call it a day.
The only really good Sonic music "de-make" I've heard is this remix of Splash Hill from Sonic 4.
>>336223009
Where is the wrong?
>>336223031
I dunno. It's not like the Genesis where most people make it sound like shit but good artists can actually make it work.
With the GBA there is plenty of good music, but it's good in spite of the sound chip, not because of it.
>>336222762
It feels like absolute shit to control, and a great deal of the game is Sonic trying to be Mario and failing, rather than just being Sonic.
>>336218484
you got baited holy shit
>>336223058
>The only really good Sonic music "de-make" I've heard is this remix of Splash Hill from Sonic 4.
Speaking of, this was made by the same guy: >>336223000
>>336223031
I love you.
I just want more people to play Fist of Mars. Thank you
>>336223437
It's a great game, and I recommend it to everyone I know who enjoys ZoE or SRW, I just wish the manual evade mechanic was done a little better.
>>336217906
The first one was decent, fun enough and some interesting ideas like the rocket that launches and detaches parts.
The second and third just go downhill though. They are designed around boost gameplay and so, the levels have an incredibly dull and straightforward design, not to mention the dumb companion mechainc in 3.
All in all, I wish 1 had the original themes of 2 and 3, instead of having every single recurrent theme (tropical island, base, ruins, casino...), it could have benefitted of some themes from the sequels (cyber-space, canyon, volcano, city, underwater base...)
>>336223883
That's what I like about the Advance trilogy the aesthetics of the stages were incredible for a GBA Series.
>>336221886
I genuinely disliked this game. I played it for the sake of it ebing a Sonic game, and because I liked the "big" version of Generations, but while I was playing it I was hoping for the moment I beat the final boss so I could stop playing it forever.
The reason? I can't say exactly why, but it was so fucking dull for me.
>>336217906
1 is the best one. It is pretty much a classic Genesis Sonic game, very good.
2 is the one that started the shitty crush to the end!" gameplay that plagued all the recent Sonic games, I except Lost Worlds. Plus it didn't encourage exploration and finding the emeralds was absolutely disgusting, unlocking Amy is not worth the time either.
3 is a compromise between 1 and 2 and it finally gives you more exploration based gameplay, platforming action and, if you want, mindless running. The group gameplay is also awesome, every pair completely changes how you will play the game. Still, some shitty level design issues make it inferior to 1.
So 1>3>2
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A2WRzIuXXhk
First one is pretty solid. The other two are kind of crap. The DS games are also crap.
>>336224969
>Complain it didn't encourage exploration
>Complain finding the emeralds was too hard
>>336225071
What a let down. Chaos Angel could use a remaster but this one's got so many mistakes it belongs in Sonic Chronicles
>>336225193
Finding the emeralds in 2 wasn't a matter of exploration though. Exploration implies you can backtrack to find shit. Something 2 can't grasp at all.
>>336217906
>Advance
Unremarkable, uninspired and forgetable poor man's 1&2.
>Advance 2
Hold right to win, terrible bosses.
>Advance 3
Very nice levels, awful physics.
>playing sonic past the genesis games
>>336227375
>not playing the phil collins solo career sonic games
The advance series was pretty good.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J-2-Hd2vyJQ
>>336221886
The level design in 3DS Generations fucking sucks though
>>336228670
Everything about this is great save for the intro snare and jarring guitar tone.
>>336229041
True. These fanmade remasters are pretty hit or miss. I prefer them over the shitty GBA sound for the most part though.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cKcZwZX10Ps
>>336229704
I swear it just sounds like he added reverb
But what about the OTHER handheld games?
>>336221170
>Sega
The Advance, RUSH, and daytime levels of Unleashed were all done by DiMPS.
Good morning /v/. Remember this tune from Sonic Advance 2?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3NcAkgXQrNI
>>336217906
I REALLY would love a Sonic Advance 4 for the 3DS. With 2D sprites n shit.
Sonic Advance games are really good.
>>336232710
They could make a collection or something, like they do every generation with the firt Sonic games.
With a better music quality ofc.
>>336217906
Some of the best in the series. Right up there with the classics.
i didn't like the sonic advance games, at all. although the first was inoffensive enough, progressively they seemed to be more 'press right and occasionally jump'.
>>336232219
Oh the trailer music on the Mega Collection thing?
It always sounded like an 80's sitcom intro.
>>336219428
It me
>>336233335
Never thought of it that way, it kind of does. I just remembered playing Sonic Advance 2 after seeing the trailer on the Mega Collection and couldn't find that song anywhere.
>>336218845
>Trash opinion of SA2:B
>"Highschool"
CONFIRMED UNDERAGE FAGGOT.
SA2:B was god tier when it was released up until Unleashed.
It has the best OST,best character design and arguably one of the best plots (which if you don't think so,PLEASE tell me how anything past 06 didn't just go batshit left turn with gimmicks).
Christ,the fact that every character had their own stylized theme,level, and music genre almost mirroring the main cast? The ONLY SONIC GAME adding new characters that people were even EXCITED for?
Fuck you,where were YOU when advertisements dropped with ACTUAL HEDGEHOGS? When CHAO GARDENS WERE AT THERE PRIME.
WHEN SHADOW WAS MORE THEN A FUCKING EDGE LORD AND WAS A BADASS MILITARY WEAPON WITH THE PLANS FOR THE GODDAMN DEATH STAR.
>Inb4 nostalgia fag
...Just take me back anons...I just want to come home from school and worry strictly about my Chao again.
pretty good.
Doesn't do any one thing too well or too badly. The only series in the franchise where the games are just plain solid all around.
>>336217906
>one of the biggest issues with classic Sonic was that you couldn't see far enough ahead and so didn't have to to react when going fast
>I know, let's make the same game but on a smaller screen!!
I like them. I mean, I know there are people out there who hates the series and how Dimps handled it, but at the very least, I had fun with the games. It kinda felt like a what-if scenario where modern Sonic and the Genesis games meet. The music was pleasant too although the GBA sound chip was a shit.
Sure, it may not have ground-breaking level designs, but for what it was (and on the GBA to boot), they were okay. Advance 2 suffered a whole case of death pits, but I liked it in the sense that, while you CAN go fast as fuck, doesn't mean that you should at every given time because chances are, there's some kind of danger nearby and you should be more cautious about the whole situation. It wouldn't make the game just a whole "press right to win" situation either because you can't just do that.
>>336218990
>>Advance 2
>Speedrun-focused game. Great if you want to go fast, shit for other purposes.
>other purposes.
Who plays a fucking Sonic game for any other reason than going fast?
