Game of the Generation, prove me wrong
DARK SOULS 3 > SCHOLAR OF THE FIRST SIN > DEMON'S SOULS > BLOODBORNE > DARK SOULS 1 > DARK SOULS 2 VANILLA
>>336210892
>Bloodborne > Dark Souls 1
Nigger......
I liked BB the most. It's really a complete package without lose ends.
>>336211056
Shut up PCuck.
Listen here niggers. This is the only true ranking.
Bloodborne + TOH > Dark Souls + Artorias of the Abyss > Dark Souls 3 = Bloodborne > Dark Souls > Demon's Souls > Dark Souls 2: Scholar of the First Sin > Dark Souls 2.
>>336211107
>complete package
>paid online
>REQUIRES DLC if you want the game to be even close to as long / hard as DS3
>>336211161
>>336211162
Any ranking that has DaS3 as the best game is correct.
DaS3>SOTFS>BB>DaS=DeS>DaS2
>>336212214
122.5 deaths? How do you half die? I don't watch dsp or whatever his name is
>>336211162
good ranking
>>336210756
They lie about core mechanics
>>336210756
Only PCucks think that Dark Souls is better than Bloodborne.
This is the real ranking
Bloodborne > Demon's Souls > Dark Souls 1 > Dark Souls 3 > Dark Souls 2: Scholar of the First Sin > dogshit > Dark Souls 2
>>336210756
It was a lot better than DS2 but this game has some problems that hold it back from being as good as DS1 or Bloodborne. It was a good end to the series tho.
It really is the best Souls game tbqh
>Doesn't have the huge dip in quality that Dark Souls 1 receives
>Bosses are consistently great unlike Bloodborne/Dark Souls 1 that almost DEMAND you buy the DLC to see great bosses in those games
>PVP isn't "R1 ME FOR HEALTH BRO" bloodborne tier or "w-who's going to get a wonky backstab first?" Dark Souls 1 tier
>Feels like an actual souls game unlike Ninja Ga- Bloodborne
>Isn't complete mediocrity like DS2
>Isn't dated/easy like Demon Souls
There's no denying it. I know that this is still early in DS3s release so we HAVE to hate it and talk about how the last game before it is "ironically better" but there's no denying how great this game actually is
Dark Souls 3 > Dark Souls 1 > Bloodborne > Demon souls > Dark Souls 2
.... Faggots
>>336212214
You know he grinded to lvl 90 near Bloodstarved Beast to beat BB, right?
>>336212642
Meanwhile Dark Souls 3 reuses tons of assets from two of the previous games while adding very little in terms of new weapons, armor, or mechanics. The world looks very good, though.
>>336212451
How could anyone not prefer DS3 to Dark Souls 1?
Bloodborne I get because maybe you have a hard-on for generic Lovecraft but Dark Souls 1? Really? With those shit vanilla bosses and "lava level"?
Kill yourself
>>336212450
>casual souls
>20fps lock
Only a sonygger thinks Bloodborne is anything but last in the Soulsborne ranking system
Bloodborne > Dark Souls 1 > Demons Souls > Dark Souls 3 > Dark Souls 2
This is fucking undeniable
DaS>BB>DeS>DaS3>DaS2
>>336212771
kys
>>336212642
kys
>>336212450
kys
>>336211161
kys
>>336212214
>grinds an extra 50 levels in BB
>doesn't die as much
Golly I wonder why
>>336212771
>With those shit vanilla bosses
LOFUCKINL
How run off child, how about you actually play the fucking game.
>>336210756
Wish magic in PvP wasn't so junky. Lessens build variety and hurts the longevity of the game
>>336212903
*Now
>>336212903
>Ornstein and Smough
>"Parry2winGwyn"
>muh feels Sif
Who the fuck else is even remotely good?
>>336213025
>he thinks Gwyn is a good boss
Soul of Cinder is what Gwyn should have been
>>336212903
okay lets compare the good bosses in vanilla DaS1 to the bad ones.
>the good
O&S, Gwyn without parrying
>the bad
literally everything else
Should I play DS3 if I've only played Bloodborne?
>>336213162
ye sure why not my man
its good
>>336213025
How the fuck do you have such shit taste?
>Parry2winPontiff
>Soul Of Blatant Pandering
>I-can't-believe-it's-not-Ornstein Armor
>Old Rehash King
>Spam R1 Sages
See I can do it too.
>>336213162
FROM makes lore very ambiguous so youre not missing much. You wont understand the fan service, but that could be a good thing.
>>336212771
I guess people like the lack of bonfire warp from the start and a more interconnected world that feels more like a Metroidvania than any of the other games.
>your face when you realise rosaria is gwynevere
>>336213107
Sif? Seath? Iron Golem? Quelaag 4 Kings? Bell Gargoyles?
None of those are good, how?
>>336213446
There is nothing even hinting at that. At best, she might be Gwynevere's daughter.
>>336213162
DaS3 is Fanservice: The Game but it stands on its own if you don't play the other games of the Souls series.
>>336213312
>parry2winpontiff
Good luck parrying when his clone arrives
>Soul Of Blatant Pandering
Great boss fight
>I-can't-believe-it's-not-Ornstein Armor
Great boss fight
>Old Rehash King
Dark Souls 1fags are the last people to talk about rehashes when your game is literally Demon Souls for PCucks and Xbots.
>Spam R1 Sages
Gimmick boss that is still pretty fun.
Again, what can you do really?
Dark Souls 3 great bosses
Nameless King
Pontiff
Abyss Watchers
Souls of Ciner
Dragonslayer Armor
Dancer
CHAMP GUNDYHR
Oceiros
Dark Souls 1 great bosses
Gwyn if you don't parry I guess?
Sif is pretty cool, I got some feels I guess?
Ornstein and Smough are legit
Uhh
Errr
Hmmmmm
Seath?
>>336210892
>Shekel of the First Goyim
>Better than anything
Dark Souls 2 is steaming shit in all its iterations
>>336210756
I'm honestly pretty bored with DS3.
I'm a bit into Lothric Castle (fog gate after the 2 drakes) and I can't really get motivated to play anymore. It's just too boring, poorly balanced and uninspired. It really just feels like a by the numbers sequel.
It doesn't help that I also played the Nioh demo which had more of that "magic" the older games had.
>>336213602
>Good luck parrying when his clone arrives
Yeah you just beat the shit out of him because his aggression levels drop like a lead weight.
>Oceiros
People like that fucking fight? Why? I killed the whiny while he rambled on about shit I didn't care about, he wasn't hard he wasn't really memorable other than being a scaleless dragon-thing. Oh boy he swings at you like a wimp and goes feral half-way through and charges at you and has crystal breath. la-de-fuckin-da
>>336213312
>parry to win pontiff
Still not as easy as Gwyn
>Soul of Blatent pandering
Still not as bad as Gwyn
>i cant believe its not ornstien
People thought it was Ornstien?
>Old Rehash King
Hows it a Rehash? Youd never know it was Gwynson until you beat him
>Spam R1 sages
People think the sages are good bosses?
>GOD TIER BOSS
Pontiff Sulyvhan
Champion Gundyr
Nameless King
Lothric and Lorian
>Great Tier
Abyss Watchers
Aldrich, Devourer of Gods
Dancer of the Boreal Valley
Dragonslayer Armor
Soul of Cinder
>Good tier
Vordt of the Boreal Valley
Ocerios, The Consumed King
>Shit Tier
Iudex Gundyr
Crystal sage
Deacons of the Deep
>Shit Puzzle Tier
Curse Rotted Greatwood
High Lord Wolnir
Yhorm the Giant
Ancient Wyvren
>>336213530
Iron Golem and 4 Kings? They were good to you? Are you serious? Iron Golem is a literal joke boss who is essentially finished if you land a few hits
Sif/Bell gargoyles are good but Quelaag/4kings and Seath were pretty shit.
Great tier:
>O&S
Good tier:
>Gwyn
>Bell Gargoyles
Meh tier
>Sif
Mediocre tier
>the rest
>>336213965
>People thought it was Ornstien?
No I'm saying they reused the whole dragonslayer shit again, except with a poleaxe instead of a spear.
>Hows it a Rehash? Youd never know it was Gwynson until you beat him
I'm talking about the Old Demon King. Nameless King was great.
>>336212642
It's a good game. To ignore some pretty fucking objective flaws is fromdrone tier though. All these extra covenants that people bitched about lacking in BB don't even work here, and are shown more clearly than ever as just being a form of grinding for items. Magic sucks. It doesn't need to be op, it just needs to be viable without dumping 80 stat points. Poise is gone, staightswords are literal cancer that's being ignored. Once again, we're dealing with stacks of weapons where some are clearly better than others and some are outright shit. The references to itself are lazy, and only there to be there in several instances, killing intrest in the world for me.
I honestly prefer BB as the games are now and I'm seeing that opinion a lot more lately. And it felt more like Demon's than any game since.
>>336212642
>It really is the best Souls game tbqh
In your opinion, not mine. I like the game a lot but it has problems out the ass.
>>336213914
>Yeah you just beat the shit out of him because his aggression levels drop like a lead weight.
So it's not "parry2win"? Gwyn literally is.
>People like that fucking fight? Why?
Cool setup, lore, voice actor as well as a decently challenging fight who can wreck your shit depending when you face him. Also has a great moveset that he constantly baits/switches up
DaS3>Das1>DaS:SOTFS>DeS>Bloodborne>DaS2
This is not up for debate, it's reality.
>people talking shit about DaS3 in this thread
If you niggers cannot appreciate how GOOD Lord of Cinder, Nameless, Twin Princes, etc are, you literally should stick to bloodborne and never play das again
>>336214192
Old demon king is pretty forgettable. I forgot him on my list..noonr thinks he was a good boss.
Even Dark souls 2 had a rehash Dragonslayer, its not a big thing anymore. You act like Ornstien was the only dragonslayer, when Gwyn had an entire army of them.
>>336214353
(You)
>>336213985
>Iron Golem and 4 Kings? They were good to you?
Better than shit like curse-rotted greatwood, Wolnir, Yohrm, Ancient Wyvern, and Crystal sages.
The Abyss Watchers I'm not very fond of either, but hey.
>>336214192
>No I'm saying they reused the whole dragonslayer shit again, except with a poleaxe instead of a spear.
So because it has dragonslayer in the name, its a rehash? He also fights nothing like Ornstein. He's bashing you with his shield half the time.
>>336214423
absolutely fresh
>>336214195
>straightswords are cancer
How? They're literal easy wins in PVP?
>prefer BB
You prefer an even more flawed game? Explains it.
>and I'm seeing that opinion a lot more lately
Except for pretty much every strawpoll/poll i've seen
Nice try though,Sonygger
>>336214291
>So it's not "parry2win"? Gwyn literally is.
Oh boy yeah, parrying him to half health and then just spamming R1 while he backs up constantly is so much better of a fight, right?
>>336214423
kys
>There are people right now seriously saying Dark Souls 3 is bad.
Besides it being a bit repetitive with lore and the setting (which at this point shouldn't suprise anyone since this is the third chapters in a series about ruined corridors, castles and swamps) it's just a great iteration in the series.
Seriously, 99% of the complaints I see are about pvp. And the fact that people still think pvp in this game is more than a poorly made party game rather than a balanced e-sport just blows me away.
>>336214389
He was a typipucal Dark Souls boss. No, probably, more than anyone else in the boss roaster, it's the most classical one. No reasons not to have one, it was fun.
>>336214192
Have you seen Hawkeye Goughs armor? It looks like a Dragonslayer armor with a few peices missing.
Armor is usually similer in someones army in a fantasy game
>>336214353
DS3 has too many gimmick fights that are not even real boss fights
>wyvern
>yhorm
>deacon
>curse rotted greatwood
>wolnir
>etc
>>336214527
>"Parry2win Pontiff"
>How are you going to parry him when his clone arrives?
>"w-well *insert another meme oversimplication here*, HA"
Nice try, with Gwyn you literally stand still and parry him over and over again and unlike Pontiff (whos attacks are fast as fuck), Gwyn is easy even for scrubs to parry. Hence why it's literally seen as the "easy way" of beating him.
>>336214660
>etc
epic meme my friend well done
>>336214491
>how? They're literal ez wins in pvp?
This is someone who's never PvP'd.
The fact that you can swing a longsword for higher AR than a greatsword for a fraction of the risk and poise through a FUGS l2 and stunlock havels is a retarded fucking issue.
>b-but ez parries
They've always been ez to parry memelord, that's not the point.
Yes, I prefer fresh IPs with coherent universes and better atmosphere, total weapon viability, more fun weapons, to rehashed lazy LOOK AT THIS REFERENCE grey castle grey swamp. Your strawpolls are shit and falseflags.
>>336214660
Maybe not for people like us who have played every fucking iteration of the souls saga
get some fucking perspective you mongrel
>>336210756
Playing Dark Souls 3 made me want to play Bloodborne again the more I played through it. At least that game had an excuse to not have Poise and R2 and charging them attacks were actually fuckin useful and won't get you completely savaged by monsters for trying to use them once and a while.
>>336214660
>A boss has a gimmick
>WAAAA, IT'S NOT A REAL BOSS FIGHT
>A boss is straightforward
>WAAAA, IT'S JUST A DUDE IN ARMOR! YOU I-FRAME HIS TWO HIT COMBO AND THEN HIT BACK, BORING
I don't understand. Deacon, Yhorm an so on were great fun bosses. And they are actually noteworthy because you are doing something that is NOT standing on a side of a guy in armor dodging through iframes which is exactly what nameless king is.
This community is insane.
>>336214683
Pontiffs lunge attack he does at the start of every fight is fucking easy to parry though. And you can bait it out by just walking away from him.
His second phase you can get him down to like 25% everytime when he stands there to summon his clone while also killing his clone in the process. Now he's cloneless, at 25% health, and is much slower. He'll be lucky to get one attack off before you are able to just run up to him hit him 2 or 3 times. He's just as bad as Gwyn.
>>336214353
i agree with you, but not entirely
bloodborne should be at least one spot higher
>>336214683
>Nice try, with Gwyn you literally stand still and parry him over and over again and unlike Pontiff (whos attacks are fast as fuck)
You wanna know how to beat pontiff?
>Dodge first charge to his left, parry his quick sword attack
>riposte
>back up
>parry his overhead swing
>riposte
Now your Pontiff should be at or below half health
Oh boy here's form 2, you ready?
>spam R1 constantly while occasionally dodging his ghost
Riveting
>>336214796
>Deacon
>Literally just a slugfest from start to end
>Yhorm
>Ends in under a minute
>Fun
>>336214756
How is for example Wyvern or Yhorm any less of a gimmick fight because this is your first Souls game?
Wyvern is just an obstacle course through normal enemies where you end it by using a single drop down attack on it.
Yhorm is killed by running up to his throne, getting the stormruler and spamming charged attacks on him (which have massive range). This is ignoring if you have Siegward with you (making it an actual joke since you basically can't lose at that point).
>>336214706
I haven't fought all the bosses yet so I can't confirm it for myself. You see I only speak about specifics in regards to what I know, not what I have read other say, unlike msot of /v/.
>muh pontiff
I sure love dodging left and under his sword
Damn parries are hard
>>336214971
Maybe it's better to stop playing. You clearly are at a point where games in this series can't satisfy you anymore.
It's allright though, Dark 3 is probably the last for me as well, I'm spent on the serie. But at least I'm not a bitter guy that can only complain about everything.
>>336214796
>Yhorm an so on were great fun bosses
Not him but Yhorm's fight with the Storm Ruler shit is the only pandering that actually annoyed me, it doesn't even make any fuckin sense. Look I love Demon's Souls too but fuck, at least have the boss's weakness make some sense. Why is a Giant weak to a wind weapon?
>>336214796
Because they're not fights, they're gimmicks.
It's on the same level as making an entire bossfight a QTE. Doing this kind of stuff once can be ok, but when the game has several of them you really just start to think "I wish I could just fight it normally".
>>336215047
Not him but fuck you and anyone who says this.
>hey this boss is kinda shit and a gimmick
>you're just jaded to the series
No
No that's not how it works
>muh h-hardcore gaming
>playing against ai is h-hard, i swear
meanwhile, games that require actual skill like ut or quake are dead as fuck
>>336215002
People who do not have the experience most of us have in the Soul series WILL struggle and die some times even at the most gimmicky/easy fighths DaS3 has to offer
stop believing the experience we had (like 5% of the playerbase) will be the same for people that is new to the series, or simply bad
you're retarded
>>336213794
>nioh
I had more fun with the alpha demo than the entirety of dark souls 3
>>336214935
Youre comparing actually moving to
>stand in 1 place
>parry
>reposte
>repeat
Stop trying to rationalize Gwyn not being the stupidest boss in Souls history by saying Pontiff can be parried.
>>336215162
meanwhile X that requires skill are dead
go play dota or sc2 if you want to play against the incarnation of autism, asshole
>>336215156
>>336215152
>When the game has several of them
If the gimmick is different for each boss I don't see the problem.
The problem is that people like you will immediatly say that any kind of gimmick is immediatly a bad thing. But if a boss doesn't have a gimmick then it becomes exactly what was in Dark Souls II, a party of dudes you can't even remember the name of. Gimmicks are memorable and serve as a reminded that Dark Souls is not only about "MUH DIFFICULTY".
This is all "D-dragon god is s-such bad fight s-senpais" from back then. Holy shit.
>>336210756
1. Dark Souls
2. Bloodborne
3. Dark Souls 3
4 (ex aequo) Demon's and Dark Souls 2
>>336212214
>DSP is the official difficulty measure
Seriously how can he suck so much ? I surely never died that much, especially for DaS 3 and I'm not a fucking e celeb doing nothing else than playing
>>336215274
How about you stop pretending that DS3 doesn't have a bunch of shit boss fights?
>>336215235
>People who do not have the experience most of us have in the Soul series WILL struggle and die some times even at the most gimmicky/easy fighths DaS3 has to offer
What does dying have to do with a boss being a giant gimmick?
People can die 100x against Yhorm but it doesn't stop the fight from being a gimmick. It doesn't matter if you had fun, got mad or were bored. It's still a gimmick.
This isn't an opinion, it's a fact.
>>336212214
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=umtYRc6bqoE
>>336215479
Did he truly jerk off in front of the camera or is it a ruse ?Just to know if I have an actual and valid reason to spit on him
>>336215323
>if it doesn't gave a gimmick it's forgettable
Stopped reading there. O&S wasn't a gimmick. Allant wasn't. Orphan of kos wasn't a gimmick. Design good bosses. Don't rely on fucking gimmicks more than once or twice. Doing it repeatedly, ignoring your own established lore while you do it (Yhorm) is not ok.
>>336215152
You do know none of these "gimmick" bosses have to be cheesed? You can fight them all regularly.
>Tauraus Demon
Gimmick
>Capra Demon
Gimmick
>Bed of Chaos
Gimmick
>>336210756
There have already been several better games this gen. Hell, there was a better game by the same dev last year.
>>336215323
>The problem is that people like you will immediatly say that any kind of gimmick is immediatly a bad thing.
I already said that having one or maybe 2 gimmick bosses are fine, but when they have several of them and one of them is just a forceful throwback gimmick to Demon's Souls (which doesn't even make sense) it's shit and lazy.
You're right now just mindlessly defending DS3.
>>336215576
Yhorm was cool though, and I liked wyvern too. I don't see why tryhards complain about gimmick bosses when they're a really little minority
>>336215602
>you can fight them all regularly
When the fight is significantly weighed towards your QTE; ie you do chip damage and unnecessarily drag out the fights, which is the case in DaS3, that's not an argument.
>>336215576
>O&S wasn't a gimmick
Of course it was. It's gimmick is "you have to fight two of them".
See, the problem is that people will conveniently change their definition of "gimmick" in order to be right. A gimmick is "Anything that does things differently than other enemies in the game".
A boss splits in more copies? That's his gimmick.
An enemy can only be defeated in a certain way (plunging attack, a special weapon, destroying a magical cristal)? That's a gimmick.
An enemy can regenerate his health unless you kill him and another foe in the room at the same time? That's a gimmick.
Everything. Everything is a fucking gimmick. If you remove ALL gimmicks, the combat becomes what everyone seems to apparently hate: a big dude, standing in front of you, which you avoid by rolling in a side or running away from him.
>Ignoring your established lore
Can you provide me a piece of evidence saying that Giants are highly resistent to wind attacks?
Nioh Alpha>DS1>Bloodborne>DS3>Demon Souls>>>Lords of the Fallen> Dark Souls 2
>>336215798
>literally arguing semantics about what a gimmick actually is
You can justify and define any fight in any game as a gimmick that way you actual cuck.
>>336215439
THE FIGHT BEING A GIMMICK IS IRRELEVANT WHEN 95% OF THE PLAYERBASE PLAYING IT FEELS THE FIGHT JUST LIKE ANOTHER BOSS FIGHT IN THE GAME, HOW HARD IS THAT TO UNDERSTAND
>>336215789
Only Yhorm is really done by chip damage.
Curse rotted greatwood isnt much of a gimmick, he just has weak spots, like a lot of bosses
Deacons of the deep are a legitimate boss, being easy does not make them a gimmick
Wolnir is a legitimate boss. The only things you can even really hit on him are the rings. Even hitting his hand breaks 2/3 of the rings.
The only "Gimmick" bosses are Wyvren (who isnt that hard to fight regularly) and Yhorm.
>>336215602
>You do know none of these "gimmick" bosses have to be cheesed? You can fight them all regularly.
Nice logic.
>yhorm has 28000 hp
>average normal attack deal around 100 with a highly upgraded weapon
>that's 280 attacks which has to be sneaked in every now and then, even more if your weapon isn't up to snuff (if you deal 80 per attack the number jumps up to 350 attacks, for example)
>"y-you can just fight him normally! stop complaining about this great and fun gimmick boss fight!"
Mindless fanboyism.
>>336215962
>I have no argument
Thanks.
>>336215993
I beat Yhorm that way the first time I fought him because Im not some idiot who googles how to beat bosses.
>>336215964
>95% OF THE PLAYERBASE PLAYING IT FEELS THE FIGHT JUST LIKE ANOTHER BOSS FIGHT IN THE GAME
So now we're down to "feelings" and made up numbers? What other logical fallacies do you have in store for me?
>>336214660
>list all remotely meme fights
>say etc as though there are additional not listed
>>336216006
>I'll create an argument where I catch all when I have none
Talking to a wall
>>336215681
>Gimmick of demon souls
You mean like Dark Souls Gargoyles being just a rehash of the maneaters?
>>336216103
>I beat Yhorm that way the first time I fought him
Sure bud.
>>336216176
>red herring to try and deflect
This is getting sad.
>>336216186
>just because I google means everyone else does
Must really suck to be that bad
>>336216115
We have an internet scholar here
>implying most of the playerbase will play after they clear their first run
>implying the hardcore community who breezes thru that kind of boss fights is more than a minuscule minority
(you)
>>336216310
No it simply means you're either lying or you're mentally handicapped.
>>336216258
Stay mad DS1 fanboy. Your game is mediocre and boring. Atlesst Yhorm wasnt literally just a reskinned stormking, just shared 1 similarity.
Gargoyles and Maneaters are the exact same fight down to the same moves.
>>336216312
>>implying most of the playerbase will play after they clear their first run
>>implying the hardcore community who breezes thru that kind of boss fights is more than a minuscule minority
How are either of these statements relevant here?
You're trying to say that a fight being a gimmick "doesn't matter" when the original complaint was that DS3 has shitty gimmick fights. Meaning you actually agree with the original poster since you admit it's a gimmick.
So we're done here.
>>336216312
>breeze through Yhorm
>I am suddenly super hardcore gamer for using my brain more than half a second and figuring out the gimmick to the gimmick boss
Cancer
>>336216310
Not him but I figure it out by running over to the big glowy thing in the room and seeing it was named storm ruler, at which point I rolled my eyes, homeward boned, equipped it, read the description. You don't need google.
>>336216368
How does that make someone mentally handicapped?
1. I never played Demons souls
2. Noone would have time in game to read the description of storm ruler.
>>336216507
>read the description
There's an ingame message right next to it.
Jesus.
>>336216507
>2. Noone would have time in game to read the description of storm ruler.
see
>>336216506
"No one" is not a single word you mongoloid.
>>336216506
Why would I ever homeward bone out of a boss fight?
I picked it up, equipped it, went to town on Yhorm.
>>336216413
I'm not a fanboy of any of the Soulsborne games. I wouldn't rank any of them higher than 8/10 even.
But go ahead and throw out more baseless accusations and red herrings, you're finished and already lost once you resorted to logical fallacies.
>>336216584
I wanted to see if it would actually let me take it out of the room or if just like the original storm ruler it was shit against everything else but that boss.
darksouls 3 is the anti souls, its worse than ds2
>anti twink mesures for babbys
>constant reddit pandering
>no interesting risks with concepts
some people dub it a "love letter" to darksouls fans
its a slap in the face at best
>>336216640
See. I never played Demons Souls. I had no idea what Storm Ruler was till I came here.
Why would I assume this sword has some magic property?
>>336216725
Because of the message right next to it?
>>336216632
How is it even a red herring?
An "fight one and another comes out to surprise you" gimmick is no different than a "You can only kill this boss with this sword, but not really as you can do damage regularly"
Theyre both gimmicks. You just cant accept DS3 is better than Ds1 in everyway.
>>336216725
Why would there be a sword just sitting there in a boss room just sitting out there in the open? The only other time that happens is with Champion Gundyr and even then that was tucked away in a corner.
Even then wouldn't you ask yourself why your attacks doing next to no damage?
>>336216775
I already said. I dont read messages anymore since theyve been non stop trolls since Dark souls 1.
>>336216487
I never said they were not gimmick fights you mongoloid, i said that the fact they are gimmick fights it's literaly irrelevant when those fights still pose a challenge for most of the playerbase. Such challenge does not exist for players who can run trough an obstacle course, kill every monster inbetween without getting damaged and get a plunging attack. Those fights might be gimmicks, almost artificial boss fights, but that's the perspective a seasoned player will have, a newcomer getting fucking eaten by the wyven before even realizing it's an obstacle course is what prolly happend to most of the non DaS veterans
How much of a fucking child do you have to be not even to consider the fact that just because it was a gimmick and a joke fight for you and me it was the same for most of the playerbase
>>336216503
(you)
>>336216870
I did ask myself why they werent. But I still wasnt gonna homeward bone out to google what to do. Getting souls back is easy, why would you ever not try a boss?
After the fight I came here and made a thread about Yhorm being the hardest boss and i got ripped to shreads about it.
>>336216979
>But I still wasnt gonna homeward bone out to google what to do
Where did I mention googling what to do? After I saw the attacks were doing shit all I realized it was a gimmick boss and examined the boss room looking for some sort of gimmick to it.
Are you one of those dipshit types who insisted on trying to kill the Stray Demon in DS1 on their first playthrough with the broken sword instead of looking around when you saw you were doing fuck-all to it like a normal person?
>>336216979
>I did ask myself why they werent. But I still wasnt gonna homeward bone out to google what to do
I did, I'm a scrub, no problem with that. I just wanted to know if for whatever reason I had my weapons under-upgradead or whatever. Then I got the battle spoiled.
>>336215576
>Doing it repeatedly, ignoring your own established lore while you do it (Yhorm) is not ok.
Independently of the our opinion on the boss itself, I actually don't see how the battle goes agains the established lore. What are you refering to? Because it's absolutely clear that Yhorm left 2 swords so that his people could kill him if he went mad.
DS3 is way too linear early on. DS1 allows you to tackle it in so many different ways, and with so much equipment available early on, but in 3 you have a single path for you and a very limited selection of items. That's seriously bad and detrimental to replays. It also has a metric fuckton of pointless pandering. It's just cheap and gets played out.
DS1 > BB > DS3 > DeS > DS2
>>336217440
>Because it's absolutely clear that Yhorm left 2 swords so that his people could kill him if he went mad.
Why do we need special swords to kill Yhorm? We can kill any of the other giants in the game with out that shit, what makes Yhorm special? I was just a hackneyed reference to Demon's Souls and it doesn't make much sense in the end.
>>336216905
>I don't read messages
Anon
Anon use your head
How many messages do you see in active boss fights
>>336217715
Not that anon but I see a lot on PS4
Mostly just "I did it!"
>>336218039
Active, m8. Not after the boss is dead.
Seriously supporting Bloodborne being the best game of the series.
>>336218079
They change? I never noticed.
>>336218185
You're a worthless tripfag and you're correct. If not better it stands on it's own.
>>336218228
You will never see a player message while fighting a boss in any game.
A game one stands out.
>>336218236
I don't know how anyone could say it's not better though. It's the most balanced the series has been both between weapons and mechanically, is the most comprehensive story-wise, has far less bad levels and boss fights than any of the others games, and the online functions well in every aspect the game attempts.
>>336218491
>and the online functions well in every aspect the game attempts
I've heard nothing but nonstop bitching about the "fight clubs" and invaders getting summoned into gank squads and blue sentinels once again almost never working.
Guys, I wasn't really around /v/ for quite a while and basically missed the complete discussion about this game, so sorry about that.
There is one that bothers me and that is enemy dmg. I'm not even talking about Bosses here, since they're tuned perfectly fine, (although they're a bit easier than bloodborne bosses) but holy fucking hell I'm lv 83, almost trough with the game and almost every enemy two-shots or three-shots me at most.
I'm playing with about 20 Vigor and while I know that this isn't much, it was more than enough to carry me trough DS1/DS2 and Bloodborne. I don't even want to start about the NPC invader dmg. This is noticeable while blocking, even tho I have a +9 schield 100% shield, it takes about two hits to stagger the shit out of me.
Does /v/ agree that normal enemies in this game are kinda overtuned? Also any general tips to that matter?
>>336218580
I'm speaking of Bloodborne there, not Dark Souls 3.
>>336218652
Oh, lol whoops.
>>336218801
We cool
>>336218491
I know.
But that doesn't stop DaS from being more complete games with longer legs. That's their advantage. I prefer quality over quantity too, but people are still dueling in das1 and that says something.
Exclusivity is also a retarded concept that only shitposters defend. It hurts everyone.
Still, easily pushed it's easy into my top 5.
>>336218369
Noted. Ill look for that from now on.
>>336218638
Yeah, I definitely noticed this too. They hit like a fucking truck even with 20+ points in VIT and VIG, and wearing decent armor. And since you have no poise, it's so easy to get stunlocked too by shitty enemies who don't hit that hard but do like 5 consecutive hits each time.
>>336218865
>But that doesn't stop DaS from being more complete games with longer legs.
Could you describe what you mean by this? What it means to be a "complete game" and have "longer legs". Please.
I find DaS' PvP still going on mainly due to the love for Dark Souls (in multiple aspects) generally rather than anything mechanically. No doubt the more weapons helps but this many years later and knowing that PvP was largely focused on a few set weapons even in its heyday makes me question you.
>>336219161
>shitty enemies who don't hit that hard but do like 5 consecutive hits each time
And don't forget that they're so fucking fast that you don't even have time to attack unless you are using something fast.
Yeah sorry we professionals disagree.
>>336219363
>Dark Souls 2 higher rated than Dark Souls 1
This is why I can't trust game critics.
>>336219493
DS1 got less points because it's an unpolished, rushed game, with performance issues. That's why it got that score.
>>336219209
There's not as much PvP activity in BB like there is in even in DaS2 simply through lack of covenants and the like. Covenants are obviously grind traps but they keep online interesting. There are only a few invadable areas in the game.
I still play them both too, so I know BB's pvp and fight clubs are in set chalice dungeons but that's a problem too because regardless of the fact that they're all l1 dungeons, a shitton of people never fucking touch chalices.
They also hid way, way too many interesting enemies and bosses behind 3 layers of samepaste rooms in those same dungeons. I like the dungeons, but the complaints about them are valid.
>>336219605
DS2 isn't all those things but worse how? Except maybe performance issues but that game's lighting was flatter than a loli's chest.
>>336219723
It isn't that's my point. It may be the worse game of these two, but at least they took their time with it and it didn't gave people as much trouble as DS1 did, especially on PC, since it was basically unplayable without the modding community.
>>336219615
To add, there is also no content that's been as hard in the entire series as a depth 5 cursed rotted fetid dungeon.
>>336219363
> Meta-critics, professionals of the Holy Grail to the rescue.
> Speaking in majestic plural.
Go home, you're drunk.
>>336219946
>it was basically unplayable without the modding community
"Basically unplayable" when it was objectively better than the console version?
>>336211161
Why don't you fuck off back to your plastic toy and let the adults talk in peace, kid
>>336220683
>had over 600 enjoyable hours in the "unplayable" console version
>people acting like from games aren't always a broken fucking buggy mess this close to release
I hate half of this fucking community
Guess which one
>>336216675
>Anti twink measures are bad
That's adorable.
Anyone else burned out on DaS 3 a lot quicker than 1 or even 2?
As shit as 2 was, I could still do a faith/int build or a caestus build without it turning into a retarded challenge run. I did the str/dex thing so now what?
>>336212450
bro you can't really say that BB is better than fucking Demon's Souls or DS1. I MIGHT give you better than DS3 but really nigger? relax.
>>336212737
Does grinding give you that big of an advantage in BB? You couldn't really grind for the last boss in DaS 3 with since you tend to hit most of the softcaps by then anyway.
>>336220683
It was basically unplayable for anyone without a controller for example. The M+K controls were horrendous. Also
>capped at 720p without mods
>almost no graphical settings
>capped at 30fps without mods
>>336220868
>Poorfag cant afford a PS4 to play BB
>>336213439
Dark Souls 1 and 3 are equally connected, you're retarded.
The position of the warp doesn't change how connected the world is. You can see more of the world in 3 than you ever could in 1. There are at least 3-4 spots where you can see most of the game.
>>336220891
I've never seen anyone claim From games are optimized or polished and the people claiming 30FPS is somehow unplayable are just a handful of whiny "master race" babies who still live with mommy.
>>336221124
The game's store page had a big fucking orange sign telling everyone that it requires a controller. If you still complain about the keyboard controls after that, you have issues. The rest are just pointless MUH GRAFFIKS complaints that in no way make a game unplayable.
>>336221079
Honestly, no. You don't ever upgrade heals either, you get 20 grass unless you waste a rune slot.
All weapons are good and can be viable in BB so it's not a matter of that, either. And it's true fashion souls, armor means jack shit outside of resistances.
D5 dungeons kinda show you how little grinding matters. You're permanently at half health, so even if you vit gouge to 50, which you should in BB, you still only have 25 points and you'll die in one or two hits. It's all how you upgrade and build yourself around your weapon.
>>336221330
The game would play on 720p without mods, but it wouldn't stretch to your 1080p screen.
That is fucking retarded anon.
>>336210756
DeS > DaSI > DaSIII > DaSII
Not played blood borne because i don't have a pshit4
>>336221418
Maybe your monitor or GPU driver wasn't set up correctly because it did stretch for me.
And even if it didn't, that still wouldn't make the game unplayable.
>>336221562
They're THOSE kinds of PCfags, anon. The kind that thinks any game is unplayable garbage if it ever runs sub-60 FPS.
>>336221562
There are a lot of retarded things the came could do that technically speaking wouldn't make it unplayable.
Your definition of unplayabe is way too broad.
And
>it didn't happen to me so it doesn't count
Isn't an argument.
>>336221330
>>336221330
Dude stop being such a fucking fromdrone, holy hell. It may have been a good game but a good game without proper support isn't a very good game. If I buy a goddamn game on PC, I expect it to run well even without a controller and having it run at least at 1080p would have been to much to ask for as well, right?
Retarded fanboy.
>>336221562
Very playable yes.
Dark Souls 1>Dark Souls 3=Bloodborne>Demons Souls>>>Sotfs>Dark Souls 2
>>336221635
>implying that's not the case
>>336221737
This guy fucking gets it
>>336221687
>waaaah every single thing should be the exact way I want it to be or it's literally unplayable :((((
This retarded baby.
>>336221635
Because it is, fag
>>336221718
Nice try, but the original game was not like this. This happened if you used DSfix without disabling in-game antialiasing.
>>336221843
Are you even being serious right now?
>expecting a serious response on /v/
my fault, I guess.
>sold 3ds yesterday
>bought ds3 later that day
>installed and ready for when i get home from work
dis week gon b gud
>>336221913
Try to enjoy and go blind. You'll see faults or not as you go. It's a good souls game and it's probably the last.
>>336221906
Are you, child? A game is unplayable because the resolution and the framerate are lower than you're used to but are matching the industry standard the majority of the players had? Get fucking real, kiddo.
>>336221025
>I did the str/dex thing so now what?
There's nothing else. You had the most fun you'll ever get out of it because everything else is shit. If you want to make a magic oriented build, your best bet is to just respec at the end of the game.
>>336221007
its 1 step from mandatory leveling,
>>336222175
Yeah that's my point. There is nothing to do.
The idea of respeccing at a high level for a build is retarded. I haven't ragequit a Souls game in a while, but Abyss Watchers with a caestus did it.
>>336210756
Darkmoon Blade summon requirements
>>336222008
>30fps
>industry standard
Sure, maybe for consoles. But some people have standards.
>>336222175
>>336222367
Damn shame that's what I expected. Are sorcery builds really that bad early on? I see lots of guys doing ridiculous dmg with their sorcerer builds, but I would guess that you need mostly high end items and 50+ points in int / faith.
>it's a very flawed game
>oh, it sure is better than all those other flawed games
Uh huh. All these games are objectively lacking 20-30% of polish and quality-assurance.
>>336222008
Kek m8, it's funny how butthurt you got over that guy pointing out DS1's obvious flaws. If he considers that game unplayable, it's his opinion and it isn't worth any less than yours. If I'm forced to play a 720p game running at 30fps and even dips below that, it comes very close to being unplayable for me.
>>336210756
>third game
>still does the same things wrong as the previous games
just no if 3 was the first Souls it would be the holy grail but we already had 5 Souls games.
>>336222608
From what I've heard sorcery builds get going when you have 60 int(which is the soft cap for int/faith) and 3 sorcery boosting rings. So endgame pretty much.
DS1 is flawed, for sure, but it was original. It started a whole genre and was incredibly innovative in its difficulty.
DS3 does nothing new. Of course it's more polished, but in 20 years time people are going to remember DS1 as the timeless classic and DS3 as the cash cow sequel.
>>336223102
DS3 tried a lot of new things. They're mostly negative or implemented horribly, like the whole lets make enemies really aggresive, but give them fuck all poise so every encounter is a joke.
>>336223040
From should really work on early scaling in this game. I felt that I lack dmg almost trough the entire game, even tho I was using a claymore and heavily investing in str/dex.
>>336223102
>DS1 is flawed, for sure, but it was original. It started a whole genre and was incredibly innovative in its difficulty.
What is Demon's Souls.
>>336223102
How exaclty is DS1 being original, since it's basically a reskinned, Demon's Souls?
>>336223392
>,Demon's Souls
>,
Sorry me being retarded
>>336223102
>DS1 is flawed, for sure, but it was original. It started a whole genre and was incredibly innovative in its difficulty.
I really want to know what the fuck sotfs did to elevate it from bottom of the barrel shit. All it did was shift enemy encounters around and add a few more insignificant npcs, it still has the horrible art direction and world, it still has the shitty level design, it still relies on cheap ambushes and clusterfucks of enemies, it still has broken hitboxes, it still has the horrible bosses, it still has adaptability and above all it still didn't deliver anything that was promised in prerelease with the torches and lighting etc.
It has the dlc but I really don't see what other people seem to see in it. It's just more of the same.
>>336223720
> it still has broken hitboxes
Why have people forgotten this all of a sudden? The hitboxes in 2 were fucking retarded, they were probably retarded to account for people stacking adaptability, but still retarded.
>>336223495
What's the name of this guy? I have a blackout.
>>336221134
>spent all his money on yearly upgrades and ungodly amounts of half-baked indie shit
>>336223720
I didn't suffer that much from broken hitboxes this time around, unless with large enemies such as the fucking drakes, stomping the fuck out of you even tho you weren't standing anywhere near it .
Ultimately, Dark Souls has evolved to a call of duty like franchise. People are starving for more and no matter what's delivered, it will be eaten up. I'm not calling these game bad by any means, but I feel that they just could be so much better with more polish. From knows that they get away with it, so they don't bother. Sadly I've falling into this hell hole myself. I will eat anything up that comes out of from's ass, as long as it's souls related. I've bought myself a PS4, just to play Bloodborne.
Now that Dark Souls as a series is dead, I wonder what from is up to next. I'm sure there will be a Bloodborne 2, but what is Dark Souls future?
Bloodborne > Dark Souls 3 > Dark Souls 1 > Dark Souls 2
Bloodborne's biggest issues are technical problems from it being a console exclusive, other than that it's a really solid 9/10
Dark Souls 3 feels creatively bankrupt but it's really fun to play, the balancing seems a bit poor but I'm hoping that they'll address that at some point in the future
Dark Souls 1 has the best world, lore and mood out of the 'Dark' games but the gameplay and bosses are a bit simple, and the second half was full of half-baked ideas. I still love the game to bits but I feel like it's flaws shouldn't be ignored.
Dark Souls 2 has my least favorite world and lore, and the game's art style is.. not great. They did some interesting changes to the gameplay from 1 and I appreciate that
Never played Bloodborne but I'm still willing to bet it's better than garbage that's DS3.
DS2+DLC > BB+DLC > DS3 > DS1 + DLC > BB > DS2 > DeS
I have a feeling DS3 will be #1 after the DLCs and if they fix PvP/poise.
>>336212450
Demon's Souls is garbage compared to any other game from the series.
Literal alpha with shit gimmick bosses.
>>336225265
You forgot to roll.
>>336224562
>I'm sure there will be a BB2
There won't, and if there is it's something Miyazaki won't have anything to do with despite it's success, he's said as much.
That's a good thing. Part of what's wrong with DaS3 is that it's beating a dead horse. There's nothing wrong with having one good complete game in the series.
>>336225419
You forgot your eyes.
>>336226183
But what is next? Maybe it's better for the series, but it's the sole reason why from is in it's current position.
>>336227013
Hopefully a new IP. They've proven those to be more inspired at this point.
>>336226183
>“Dark Souls III will be have several DLCs like previous games. But there is absolutely no plan right now for any sequels, spin-offs, or tie-ins. But I cannot say for certain that the possibility is zero percent,” Miyazaki said.
>http://gematsu.com/2016/04/from-software-talks-future-dark-souls-armored-core-new-ip#zPozOArkg7ol3FKi.99
>>336227172
That's DaS, not BB
>>336212214
Funny considering he ragequit bloodborne and never beat ludwig
Dark Souls w/ DLC > Demon's Souls = Dark Souls 3 > Bloodborne > SotFS > Dark Souls 2
Bloodborne>Dark Souls 1 = Dark Souls 3 > Demon souls > Dark Souls 2
>>336210756
DaS3 is a repetitive, easy, short, copy-paste cash-grab. Regret buying it at full price.
>>336233084
this famis
DS1 > DS3 > DS2-SotFS = DeS > BB
>>336233364
poor bait mr. PCuck
BLOODBORNE IS NOT A SOULS GAME, STOP ACTING LIKE ITS A FUCKING SOULS GAME REEEEEEEEEEEEEE
>>336212853
>Wahhhh people dont like my nostalgia game!!
kys
BB>DaS1>DeS>trash>DaS3>shit>DaS2>Nioh
>>336226290
he was pommeled with the end of the staff.
pot calling the kettle black much?
>>336233519
Why thank you, Mr. Sonygger
>>336226290
the big shiny axe-like halberd didn't hit him, but if you would take a single glance at the webm again, you'd see that the end of the halberd-like weapon hits the player in the back of the heard. Blunt objects swung by giant god eating monsters hurt like a bitch, anon.
>>336234684
I'm not a Sonygger, I'm just not poor :^)
>>336218638
agreed, it's annoying to get instantly shredded by skellies with daggers wearing something like the black iron set. but it was sort of like that in previous games too wasn't it? what's the purpose of armour really, other than to look good?
>>336210756
Sorry bub, but if you haven't played BB just don't include it in the list , atleast place it a little higher if you really want to so that we don't see right through your farce
Bloodborne>DaS>DaS3>DeS>Lords of The Fallen=NiOh>DaS2
>>336221076
Recommended level for BSB is 25
Needless to say 45 levels can give you all the power over a boss you could need
>>336216584
>find yhorm
>grab item
>attempt to fight boss
>see im doing SHIT damage with any of my attacks
>must be a gimmick im missing
>bone out and read weapon i just found
>oh cool
easy
>>336216725
I like to think of it as a nod toward old time players. They'll know what to do with a sword called 'Storm Ruler' in a boss room. Others might need to leave or die and retry after looking at the new weapon. It was a nice touch.
dark souls 3 brings lag stab back
keep it real dark souls 2 is the best souls game
Worldbuilding/Lore/Atmosphere
DaS1=BB>DeS>DaS3>DaS2
Npc's
DeS=DaS1>DaS3>BB>DaS2
Level Design
DaS3>BB>DeS=DaS1>DaS2
Boss Quality
DaS3>BB>DaS1>DaS2>DeS
Invasion shenanigans
DaS1>DeS>DaS3>BB>DaS2
Pvp
DaS3>DaS1=DeS>DaS2>BB
>>336210756
>bloodborne > dark souls 3 > dark souls 1 > dark souls 2 > demon souls
you cannot refute this
>>336212642
>bosses consistently great
