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Can someone please explain why they brought back Guile when Charlie is already in the game? I'm sure there are some small technical differences between them, but for casuals (most people playing the game) they are the same thing, pretty much like the Fire Emblem clones in Sm4sh. I thought Capcom said they wanted more variety with the cast in SF5?
>>336206095
Because Guile is a popular and well known character whereas I have literally never heard of Charlie before reading your post.
>>336206165
In that case just put in Guile, we don't need both of them. As you said Charlie is a literal who in comparison.
>>336206247
I assumed that Charlie must have been a new character just introduced in this newest game and now they are backpedaling but maybe not? I haven't played V yet and didn't play enough 4 to get acquainted with new characters in that one either.Honestly I haven't really played since some version of 2.
>ITT: Bandwagon SF fans
>>336206536
are you going to answer the question?
>tfw upside down kicking a command grab super
>>336206095
Because they play differently. Just like Ken and Ryu have fundamentally different play styles though they share moves.
>>336206852
Read my post again.
> I'm sure there are some small technical differences between them, but for casuals (most people playing the game) they are the same thing, pretty much like the Fire Emblem clones in Sm4sh.
To most people, they don't play differently enough. They're both military dudes with stupid hair who throw sonic booms and flash kicks.
>>336206095
>I'm sure there are some small technical differences between them, but for casuals (most people playing the game) they are the same thing
Fucking idiot, obviously you haven't played the SFV or any of the other games and I am very sure you're just replying to yourself in this thread. Charlie gameplay wise is way more different then Guile in SFV. Way more than Ken and Ryu. Charlie has been an established character since Street fighter fucking 2. Playable in Alpha where he was a more of a Guile clone, but with a few differences and also Guile wasn't playable in the Alpha series except for a ps2 port of 3 if I remember right. Charlies back in SFV and so is Guile and for that reason they changed Charlie gameplay a lot. Now fuck off with this pointless thread cause nothing I hate more is people pretending to know or dickride something they barely have any knowledge on.
>>336206947
It's not small differences though.
>>336206947
Charlie doesn't even have a flashkick. He has some weird genocide cutter hybrid.
>a motion and charge character play the same
Do we live on the same planet?
>>336207008
>Triggered: the post
Nowhere in that autistic mess did you explain how they are different. Try again, this time take your prozac first though.
>>336207031
Charlie throws his with one hand and does his flash kick with one leg, that's all most people see.
>>336207090
So you're saying their only differences are their command inputs?
>>336206095
no see clones are okay if its street fighter cuz thats a REAL fighting game :^)
>>336206625
Not him, Nobody should have to answer such a dumb question but I'll do it. Firstly the two play nothing a like and we're not talking smash Mario and Luigi differences, no Charlie got overhauled completely and plays nothing like he did on alpha, and secondly the entire point for guile was to look for Charlie after he went MIA and this is like the first game where guile will meet him and they're will more to add to the two and that back story
>small technical differences
>one is a charge character
>other is a command character
>"small" differences
Not to mention completely different specials, v-skill, v-trigger, playstyle, etc. Nash is a rushdown/pressure character, Guile is a zoner/defensive character.
>>336206947
>a motion character with absorption, teleports, and quick normals plays the same as a charge character, moving tank and combo monster
sure
>>336206095
Because SFV needs to cater to Americans so they release two clapistani characters in a row
>>336207131
>Shitposting the thread
I knew I was wasting my time when I tried explaining it which was why I was so agitated in the first place. Thanks for justifying it shitlord cause clearly regardless what anybody is going to say you're just going to repeat the same bullshit and say that's how it is when it's clearly not. Fuck off kid.
guile is much different from charlie, just because thier moves look similar to someone who doesnt play the game much doesnt mean it isnt good variety
>>336207131
That might be all you see. But I feel like many would notice that Charlie is a high mobility slippery character, while Guile is a wall. One can consistently move forward and push pressure up close while the other crouched a lot and stays away.
>Still no Juri
>>336207141
I thought Ryu/Ken/Akuma was bad enough, but at least they got rid of Akuma but then they brought in Nicali who is also a fireball uppercut style character.
>>336207175
>Guile
>throws sonic booms and does flash kicks and knees people
>Charlie
>throws sonic booms and does flash kicks and knees people
As I said I'm sure there are small differences but not enough for the average player.
>>336207268
Akuma had teleports too, didn't make him less of a clone.
>>336207342
Don't get so salty, it's not my fault that Capcom made two clone characters instead of more originals. Maybe you'll get Remy next month.
>>336207476
She's not lazy enough for Capcom. You'll get Decapre instead.
>>336206095
>Nash in SF5
>Fast-paced aggressive character, no charge moves, normals that focus on offensive poking and hit confirms
>Guile in SF5
>Really defensive character, charge motions for moves, most normals focus on keeping the enemy away or punishing pokes, very few aggressive combo options compared to other characters
>caring that casuals think two characters are the same
>caring what casuals think at all
What has /v/ become?
>>336207576
>not caring what the majority of your fanbase thinks
Aaaaand that's why SF5 underperformed.
>>336207563
>Charlie
>Throws sonic booms but with input commands
>Guile
>Throws sonic booms but with charging
/v/ talks about fighting games. This is going to so funny.
>>336207623
So why are you ignoring literally everything else aside from the one special they share?
>>336207623
I know I'm replying to bait, but sonic booms are essentially just fireballs. You're essentially complaining that they didn't give Nash's fireball a unique skin.
You have 10 seconds to explain why Sakura is not in this game.
>>336207525
>"Because they use the same moves they play the same"
>ignoring the second point of what >>336207175 said
>>336207736
Which they did considering it's shaped entirely different and is turquoise while guile's is yellow.
>>336207675
because this is a bait thread.
>>336207525
>She's not lazy enough for Capcom. You'll get Decapre instead.
But she's already confirmed, dummy.
>>336207623
>caring about a game's fiscal performance instead of how the game plays
What has /v/ become?
Guile still has his turtle tendencies while Nash plays completely different from his Alpha roots. He's more focused on mixups to a point that his flash kick behaves differently as well. The only major similarity he has with Guile now is Sonic Boom, which has so much start up frames now, it may as well be a different fireball like the rest, only sharing a name.
I gotta say, if you believe those two to be absolute simply because they're military dudes, you're only setting yourself up for disappointment.
>>336207852
Try again bud.
>>336207675
>sonic boom
>flash kick
>knee
>air grab
The differences are not big enough. if they wanted Charlie to be different they should have given him completely unique moves, otherwise left him out.
>>336207778
>Wanting more shotos.
>>336207826
So in that case why not make one of them a story NPC? We didn't need both of them to be playable.
>>336207878
source: your ass
>>336207897
>Sakura
>Shoto
>>336207894
I will
>>336207623
wrong, the reason it under performed is because capcom thought the casual market would actually try playing the game against other people
they were wrong: casuals only want to beat up cpus because they are too scared to actually play online against people
>>336207897
Sonic boon = hadouken
Flash kick = shoryuken
Guile = Ken/Ryu
I get what you're saying now.
>>336207968
>has a fireball, an uppercut and a tornado kick
>not a shoto
>>336207897
>flash kick
Nash doesn't have a flash kick.
>air grab
Durr, what? They don't even have the same air grab or the same properties.
>knee
Not a special, dumb dumb.
>>336207897
>Source: your ass
Not him, but more like source fucking Street Fighter V's store page itself
http://store.steampowered.com/app/425110/
I don't get why people like you even bother with threads like this. I don't get the enjoyment of everyone calling you an idiot when they're clearly right.
>>336207897
Dumbass
http://shoryuken.com/2015/12/05/capcom-confirms-alex-guile-balrog-ibuki-juri-and-urien-in-street-fighter-v/
>/v/ trying to talk about fighting games
lol
>>336207897
why does it matter if thier moves look similar? they dont play similar
they have similar moves for story reasons
>>336207968
sauce on that pic. pls.
>>336207897
Never speak again please. Nash has 3 different kicks, his v-trigger is a mixup, his fireballs are faster on startup. Just go back playing anime games or hating on capcom games on twitter.
>>336208019
Charlie just does his flash kick with one leg. It's the same shit.
>>336207998
>m-muh esports cyberathletes
>>336208043
>>336208073
>no picture proof
>no trailer
Exactly as expected. The SF4 newcomers were shit designs, they're never coming back.
>>336206947
I bet you also thought fox and wolf play exactly the same in Smash brawl or that Yuri plays exactly like Ryo sakazaki because she does kohokens and haoshokokens.
>>336208182
>no picture proof
We're done here. You're trying too hard to pretend to be retarded.
>>336208186
>Implying Fox and Wolf aren't the same
Don't know who the fuck the other two are, I don't play weebshit fighters.
>>336208182
>Charlie just does his flash kick with one leg. It's the same shit.
It literally isn't. There is nothing similar about the moves, unless you're going to tell me Rugal is a Guile clone.
so ignore the bait thread
whats everyone's rank at? stuck at silver... I wanted to main Alex but I feel like I play better with characters that have better pokes
>>336206387
Charlie Nash was introduced in the Alpha series. Since Guile wasn't around at first he was practically filling the void initially
They're much more different in SFV
>>336208003
The flash kick anti-airs except. The only person that has an anti air tatsu is ken and that is more divekick.
>>336206095
Why do people get on the internet just to show a bunch of anonymous people that they are mentally challenged.
>>336207525
>Necalli is a fireball uppercut character
>>336208102
I get the biggest kick out of these fucking threads. You see all these armchair fighting game theorists come out of the woodwork sounding like they know what they're talking about, yet back in 2009 the entire front page was constantly filled with threads about how the Seth AI on normal was fucking impossible to beat, for like 3 goddamn weeks.
>>336206095
Guile and Charlie have completely opposite playstyles. Charlie is rushdown and Guile zones
>>336208182
>cyberathletes
Not once did I bring in tournament play or e-sports. Capcom counted on people playing casually, and made this one of the easiest street fighter games to get into
but nope, the casuals are all about MUH CPU BATTLES AND UNLOCKING ARTWORK shit
>>336208285
>shockwave projectile
>slash claw uppercut
>>336208224
>being this mad you fell for a bullshit leak
It was confirmed fake after Urien, just because they put Alex after he was already revealed and then got a lucky guess with Guile doesn't mean fuck.
>>336208417
It's literally on the steam store page.
>>336208329
I remember those
Pretty much showed me that /v/ was fucking atrocious at fighting games and if anything wasn't an easy win then they labeled it 'cheap' and 'unfair'
>>336208465
Without proof of any kind. You got rused familia.
>>336208417
>shockwave projectile
>slash claw uppercut
So... Viper?
>>336208417
>every character with a projectile and an uppercut is a shoto
I dunno, why were both in Alpha 3
>>336208507
Capcom tweeted the list of upcoming characters. What do you mean? How much proof do We need to provide for you?
>>336208538
>implying they aren't
No amount of frame perfect technical differences are going to change that, tourneyfag.
>>336208556
I dunno anon, why did the game that had Ryu, Ken, Akuma, Sakura, Evil Ryu and Dan have three Guiles.
>>336208523
Viper didn't have an uppercut.
>>336208589
Source: Your ass
>>336208241
this is why no one respects /v/ retards when it comes to fighting games.
>>336208417
Everyone just ignore and leave the thread, let it die. The shitposter can't think of anything clever after getting completely disproved from simple fact. Enjoy the (You)'s tonight you pathetic waste of space that it's so sad to think this will be the highlight of your night.
>>336208627
Anon, how bored are you right now? What's the purpose of this thread?
>>336208627
>Viper didn't have an uppercut.
>>336208627
are you in your right mind now duder
>>336208161
http://exhentai.org/g/650272/393cf66c70/
>75 posts
>Nobody explains to OP how he's different
>A lot of people actually think the OP knows what he's talking about
>>336208627
They also revealed at a live conference.
Do I need to find the twitter source a well or no?
I don't understand why you're acting so childish.
>>336207131
>Charlie throws his with one hand and does his flash kick with one leg, that's all most people see.
So going by looks, we are to assume Ryu and Ken play the same as well, which is confirmed wrong.
You're case is built upon just visually looking at a character to gauge how that character plays, which isn't a real thing. People who play fighting games and at least have some knowledge of how fighting games work knows that playing as the character is how you figure out how they are meant to work.
"Guile looks like Nash" isn't s problem. Your complaint has no basis in what is actually the reality of the game. Noboby with any interest in the game goes in thinking these characters are clones until they play them and feel the control difference. People who are not invested in the game do not matter.
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>Ask what the difference between the characters is
>Get insulted by triggered fgcniggers
>>336206095
Because he's one of the original 8. All original 8 should be in a mainline street fighter, end of discussion.
>>336208828
>4 pages
FUCKthanks man preciate it
>>336208969
Then why not get rid of Charlie?
>>336208921
>People who are not invested in the game do not matter.
I can smell the fedora jesus christ.
>replying to bait
How much does Guile cost?
>>336209040
same reason we don't rid of Ken, they're different enough from their counterparts that they remain similar but distinctly unique you retard
>>336209138
They didn't have Ken in UMVC3
or Capcom Fighters Jam
or Tatsunoko vs Capcom
or Smash
Ryu is the important one, not Ken. Ken is expendable and can get cut, as can Akuma. Just give Ryu the quick change mode.
We need maki in this game desu
>>336209197
You're so fucking stupid it hurts and I hope one day when you get more experience with the genre you'll look back on this realize how stupid you were
>>336209135
He's 100 percent free for now, until the cash shop opens up. Once it does, you have the option of spending fightmoney which you earn by playing the game(meaning you can still get him for free if you play for a bit), or just 6 bucks.
>>336209135
He's free for now
OP the difference lies in play style. Everything from the fact that Charlie has "Shoto"inputs while Guile is a charge character to the fact that their normals are completely different.
Charlie has numerous normals and also has very high mobility and combo potential. He excels at rushdown more than Guile imo and has a level of unpredictability thanks to his teleporty shenanigans.Guile is more defense oriented, throws slower sonic booms, and has a much larger flash kick. He has maybe them most unique moves in the game and thanks to that has an amazing spacing game.
I would recommend you go and find SFV frame data and character guides if you want anything more detailed.
>>336209197
Yeah cut one of the most popular characters in the series and is a major plot point in the deep and intricate Street Fighter story.
>>336206095
Have you played either of them? They completely reworked Nash. The argument that similar characters = bad is stupid regardless but the comparison is just completely retarded.
Guile is nothing like Nash in Street Fighter V.
>>336209392
Wow, they're doing that for Guile too? I'll have to get some free FM from him then.
>>336206095
This is like comparing Ryu with Ken. On paper they look the same but Ken is faster while Ryu has more offensive options. Normals count more than their specials.
>>336206095
>>336206247
>>336206165
>>336207525
Honestly Guile and Nash are a lot like Mario and Ryu in Smash.
They both have an uppercut, fireball and spin move, but they play, move and approach extremely differently.
I'd honestly be less triggered if you said that FANG and guile were the same character.
>>336206095
Neo-Nash plays way different than Guile. He more akin to a weird Adon with Rose's fireball.
They even have completely different inputs with one being motion and the other being charge.
