100K Souls after beating Aldrich devourer of gods
Instantly transported to another boss fight, the dancer without getting a bonfire
All lost, and no idea how to get back. What a fucking shit design choice.
>>336173172
If you weren't an ADD faggot you would've recognized the Dancer's room.
>>336173449
>First play threw going in blind
>YOU SHOULD HAVE RECOGNIZED THE DANCERS ROOM
Well fag, I play the game in a manner that means I research little and try to learn from experience, this was an unknowable event for me and basically was a "LOL U LOZE" situation.
>>336173172
Did you consider just not placing the bowl and leaving to find a bonfire? Vordt's is just down the stairs.
>>336173890
I never placed the bowl, I just talked to the woman, she handed it over, and the dancer came down instantly, I swear I never clicked place the bowl or anything.
>>336174017
Confirmed, you're a retarded faggot.
>>336174084
Confirmed, you are 12.
>>336173724
Because you already had been there at the start of the game and talked to the same NPC you fucktard.
>>336174017
You literally have to push yourself into the statue to trigger the dancer fight, if you just wanted to go back you wouldn't have done that at all.
>>336173724
Are you retarded or blind?
It's obviously the room you got the banner in. The fucking NPC that gave you the banner dies you mongoloid.
>>336173724
You've SEEN the dancer's room, in game, before. You're a dumbshit.
>>336173890
OP is retarded, but you don't even have to interact with the statue for Dancer to appear, just getting close to it is enough.
Buy homeward bone, go in, pick up souls. Same shit happened to me last night too and I thought it was pretty annoying but it wasn't annoying enough for me to make a thread about it on /v/.
>>336174195
WHAT FUCKING STATUE NIGGER LIPS I was standing there and saw a ladder, swung at the latter and the shit kicked off, I had no idea it would start a boss fight.
>>336173172
Homeward bone motherfucker. When I got teleported I knew exactly From are dickheads enough to put me versus another boss right away
>>336173172
Use a homeward bone anon.
>>336174235
>remember the room
>No mention of a dancer boss fight
>Blind playthrough
>YOU SHOULD HAVE KNOWN
Confirmed /v/ is a walkthrough using scrub tier darksouls player
>>336173172
Just use a homeward bone you dummy. Still a retarded design choice though.
>>336174303
The statue the item you got mentions, the statue right under the fucking ladder.
Besides, just like everyone is saying, you could easily have used a homeward bone during the boss fight to get out.
Should have used a homeward bone
>>336173172
OP this same issue happened to me too; only difference is I recognized the Dancer's room and got my souls back.
>>336174195
>>336174220
>>336174235
Dumb fucking redditors. Not everyone watches previews on games. I avoided all DS3 threads to not get spoiled
>>336174452
I went in blind and recognized it, because it's the cathedral at the very beginning of the game where Emma gives you the banner. You're teleported there, and Emma is right in front of you dying. You're just a fucking idiot.
>>336173172
?????? Same thing happened to me except I bone'd out before dying so I could spend my souls. Found my way back by just wiki'ing the Dancer's location and slapped my forhead like the retard I was.
>>336174606
>get bowl
>Want to find a fire before I stop and read anything
>Think fire is up the ladder
>get fucked
>>336174748
You literally have to go in the dancers room and talk to the bitch to get the banner early game
Are you retarded?
>>336174748
You've already been in the room. You don't need to watch a preview because if you've left the High Wall of Lothric, you've been in that fucking room to meet Emma.
>>336174748
You can't leave the first area without going into that room. You're full of shit and also have the memory of a goldfish.
>>336174748
DUDE you have seen the dancer's room in-game already, as one of those comments have mentioned, if you went into that church before you would have recognized it and after you died just go "oh I just gotta go where I got way of blue and get my souls and homeward out" it's that simple.
this is maximum autism
>>336174748
If you play the game blind you would still recognize the room because you are FORCED to go there at the start of the game before you can progress.
Unless you have the memory of a goldfish like >>336174889 does.
>>336174875
>>336174607
unfortunately I was in a panic and couldn't think of the homeward bone situation, was just like "OH FUCK BACK TO BACK BOSSES" and trying to beat her as fast as I could.
>Losing to the dancer
>Being retarded and not paying attention to the game
lol
>>336174940
You're in there for literally a minute, how is that place supposed to be distinguishable from 90% of the huge indoor castle rooms in the rest of the game?
>>336174875
not trying to sound like a meanie here but for future reference saying "boned" is actually correct and adding an apostrophe to it doesn't do anything.
>>336174452
You get the banner in that room early in the game. Blood stains all over the fucking room. Hmm i wonder why there is so many bloodstains but nothing un the room?
>>336175061
>>336173172
Ring of Salvation
Sprint to boss with homeword bone on item usage
Get souls back and gtfo
How is this hard?
>>336175094
Because of Emma, who you need to talk to in order to get the banner to leave. She's there dying in front of you in the same spot where you met her, in the same throne underneath the same suspicious ladder.
>>336174989
>>336175024
>go into that room once to speak with her
>Barely look around
>90% of the game later
>room is torn up and a mess and bitch is dead
>YOU SHOULD REMEMBER IT
Reddit tier guide users detected.
>first area with the lady
>remember the ladder at the start i wanted to check out
>boss happens much later in the game here
>see the same ladder
clicked instantly, you're just stupid.
>>336175094
The same NPC is sat in the same chair
>>336173172
I did the same thing, then ran to dancers room and killed her first try. Git good.
>>336173724
I died at the same time as I killed Aldrich and didn't see where I got teleported to.
I had to look it up.
>>336175094
How many cathedrals with old lady NPCs in them have you found then huh? Oh yeah only one because it's the only one in the fucking game.
>>336175201
Are you american? That would explain you being so fucking retarded.
>>336173172
Le backing boner face
>>336175201
>barely look around
Dawg it's the only area in the game that looks like that, besides pontiff's boss room where the whole damn place is covered in ice and is actually lit up and has carpets and shit, so you can't back up your argument by saying that everything looks the same and shit.
Plus the bitch you talked to at the beginning of the game is right in front of you dying
>>336175201
>Barely look around
There you go, you're just a Grade A retard probably trying to rush through the game
>>336175201
>don't explore or look around new areas
>who the fuck is this npc i don't care just spam through text and let me go bitch
>forget it all immediately
>get teleported back there
>WOOOW HOW WAS I SUPPOSED TO KNOW WHO THIS BITCH WAS
>>336174940
>>336174974
>>336174989
>>336174990
>>336175024
So what if you go there first? You couldnt have possibly known that it was a Dancer room without watching the DEMO playthought beforehand you dumb fucks
>>336175484
NO ONE IS IMPLYING THAT THEY KNEW IT WAS THE DANCER ROOM REEEEEEEE
"Dark Souls is the hardest game I've played in years" - Millennials
>It's an OP gets BTFO thread
>OP resorts to buzzwords trying to defend himself and change people's words around
Loving every laugh
>>336175484
>So what if you go there first?
You can't decide to not go there first, you literally have to go there before you can fucking progress past the first area of the game
>>336175484
The bloodstains should give you a clue of what is happening there.
>>336175484
What the fuck are you talking about? You're required to go there to get the banner to leave High Wall. You don't know it's Dancer's room until you get teleported back there after clearing Aldrich and Yhorm. At that point, you should recognize the room and be able to find your way back.
I was also super fucking curious right at the beginning with all the bloodstains and expecting to get ambushed as I left. Never happened so I figured something would show up there later.
>>336173172
wait I beat Aldrich last night and i didn't get teleported to the dancer fight?
did i miss something?
>>336173172
Were you not aware you can start>Quit or homeward bone to simply leave the boss room?
>>336175626
Keep in mind I’m talking about Rinne Tensei Madara Uchiha with the Eternal Mangekyou Sharingan, the Rinnegan, a perfect Susano’o and the ability to control the juubi and the Gedou Mazou.
>>336175484
No you are misreading everything in here. They are saying that you should know it's the same room from the beginning and you should recognize it, therefore allowing yourself to return to that same area to fetch your souls and homeward bone out.
>>336175201
You're bad at trolling
but on the off chance you're not baiting and you're just a massive retard you deserved it
Im glad you lost those 100k souls
>>336175643
You need to beat Aldrich and Yhorm. Whichever one you beat last will teleport you there.
>>336173449
>wikifag opinions
top laff.
>>336175452
>>336175345
>>336175421
>>336175450
Stop replying you idiots, he's b8ing.
>>336175643
it has to be your third lord of cinder is all. for OP it was, yours was probably aldritch?
>>336175737
aaah, thanks man
Why does Emma die when you kill aldrich? I can't remember the scene because on every character after my first one i sequence break dancer.
>>336175820
Dancer killed her.
>>336173172
Shouldn't have died faggot
>Complaining about losing 100k souls
I lost 1.7 mil yesterday because I fucked up like a retard, but it doesn't matter because I can farm 2 million at a certain spot in like less than 45 minutes.
You're a fag OP.
>>336173172
>no idea how to get back
did you play the high wall?
The same happened to me as well, OP.
Just get back in there, and equip a ring of sacrifice if you feel unsure.
>>336174452
You would really just keep pressing forward without spending all those souls?
Are you fucking retarded? DaS3 has loads of issues, the Dancer boss battle is not one of them.
>>336175820
Summoning you took all her strength probably.
>>336175549
>>336175614
>>336175620
>>336175626
>>336175706
Are you guys dumb? For real? Read the reply chain. The issue was not with it being the same room. It was being pitted against two bosses in a row.
Theres even a fucking cutscene playing showing dancer emerging. You had no way of knowing you will fight a second boss until it appears. It all happens instantly
>>336175820
It's not after Aldrich it's after you kill your third lord of cinder.
>>336176423
>It was being pitted against two bosses in a row.
Except you aren't pitted against two bosses in a row if you don't rush mindlessly forward.
> You had no way of knowing you will fight a second boss until it appears. It all happens instantly
No, it actually happens when you step forward after Emma's death.
Please keep lying though.
>>336176423
Are you dumb? OP complained about having no idea how to get back and retrieve his souls.
>>336176374
the room is pretty fucked up though
either it was an extremely wild summoning ritual or someone was there fucking her shit up. I don't think it was dancer
>>336175061
So you admit this was your own fault instead of trying to blame the game.
What was the point of this thread anon?
>>336176641
Dancer is the one that makes sense, because she has no other reason for hiding up on the ceiling.
>>336175562
I've been playing videogames everyday for 20 years. Man... Can somebody suggest a challenging game I haven't played? Anything. I just want to feel again. VN's welcome.
>>336176423
>boss comes out of nowhere
why was Emma dead huh? Use some deductive reasoning dawg.
>>336176740
She doesn't hide on the ceiling, she comes out of a portal.
It's odd that the Dancer happens to show up and wreck the place right around the time you kill the third lord. Emma doesn't sound like she's in trouble when she summons you.
>>336176740
she came through a portal, like the dog
>>336173172
>Not boning out.
>>336176993
try tennis
>>336174182
No, you are fucking dumb, the boss only triggers if you walk to the statue behind her of the Knight slitting his throat, and even then you have time to homeward bone.
You are fucking stupid.
Also I killed the god damn cunt at level fucking 1, before the first boss even, why didn't you!?
But shitty enough thanks to that it locked me into invading people on NG+ for some reason.
>>336177256
No way. Too hard. What do I look like? Not a massive blob fused to my chair? I'll take anybody in mii tennis though.
>>336175626
This
Half the early game world is full of bloodstains and random people dying, jumping off cliffs and dying to random shit, saying "bloodstains is a clue" is dumb considering firelink has bloodstains all over too.
>>336175898
I don't really understand this. Why would Dancer kill you or Emma? Why did the Pontiff send out Vordt and Dancer? Did he want to stop you from killing Lothric?
Also, why did Dancer seem to struggle coming out of that weird portal?
>>336176993
Bards tale, raze hell, voodoo vince, grabbed by the ghoulies.
>>336174889
>Not thinking this is a good time to get the fuck out of dodge with all your souls.
You lost them, fare and square, due to being an inept fuck, if they where that important you should have homeward boned at the first SIGN of danger.
>>336176068
>I Lost more
>But doesn't matter I will just cheat to get it all back!
Hello cancer my old friend.
>>336177034
Im not a smart man. I play games with my brain turned off. But unlike OP I had just enough intelligence to use homeward bone
>>336177385
pool?
>>336173172
Do you forgot who the firekeeper is every time you go back to Firelink too? Its the same NPC in the same place. You can turn around and leave without summoning the boss.
>>336173172
This may be bait, but remember there is every chance somebody this dumb exists.
>>336176715
>Back to back bosses with no clue that its a second boss fight
>Its your fault you didn't instantly remember the bitch out method of boss escape!
1. I don't keep homeward bones in my quick use slots, because im not a beta bitch and I typically fight my battles when they are fair.
2. implying the boss would be kind enough to let me find my homeward bone and not push my shit in while im in inventory...
>>336177796
>Menu
>Quit game
Literally nobody uses homeward bones, faggot.
>Not going back to spend your souls every time you kill a boss
>>336174195
>You literally have to push yourself into the statue to trigger the dancer fight
No, you get within 5 feet and it triggers. I expected a button prompt to place it, so I walked up, and the fight just starts.
I knew where I was and was able to recover my lost souls after dying, but it was just very unexpected and not consistent with how the game presents bosses and has you interact with objects. It was literally just triggered by you standing too close, and you really had no way of knowing a boss fight was going to be immediately triggered right after being forcibly teleported there, without a bonfire between, right after another boss fight, by simply walking up to something right in front of you.
>>336177796
She's incredibly slow in both motion and attacks, so much so that you can sometimes get off full combos on her before she bothers to retaliate. Hide behind one of the staircases.
>>336177937
>Being illiterate and not understanding that once you beat 1 boss, it drops you into the dancer fight, and unless you are a wiki reading scrub you won't know wtf is going on.
>>336177937
That's the point, you're not afforded an opportunity to use the bonfire that spawns right after killing your last boss, you're immediately teleported to the Dancer's room and the game then triggers the fight if you simply walk too far toward the statue.
>>336178062
In my case I beat Aldrich and died at the same time, so I didn't have to deal with that.
>>336177796
>1. I don't keep homeward bones in my quick use slots, because im not a beta bitch and I typically fight my battles when they are fair.
Apparently you are a beta bitch because you're crying like a beta bitch.
>2. implying the boss would be kind enough to let me find my homeward bone and not push my shit in while im in inventory...
Actually it does, Dancer in her first phase gives you plenty of time.
Is this a joke? Are you guys rusing me?
>be retarded
>get mad
use a fucking ring of sacrifice you dummy, it's like people who get mad at dying to seath and losing their souls
>>336178062
darksouls3.wiki.fextralife.com/Homeward+Bone
i don't understand this complaint.
first of all you don't have to fight the boss the second you get teleported there, do you?
even if you die to the dancer, why not just run back, get your souls and homeward out?
>>336173172
>doing a genocide playthrough
>my name is not important
>killing NPCs for weapons/armor
>went to that room and saw an old lady
>better off dead
>dancer shows up
>death penalty for having an ass that huge
>didnt know that vordt was where i had to go
i had 3 phantoms with me at the time, and one of them was doing that laggy T-Pose shit and killed the boss without a fight.
too many bosses in das3 have phase two, it becomes the norm rather than "shit just got real" moment
>>336178385
>first of all you don't have to fight the boss the second you get teleported there, do you?
No you don't.
>even if you die to the dancer, why not just run back, get your souls and homeward out?
Because people are stupid, shit at video games or just want to complain.
Probably a combination of all three.
>oh shit, I've got a lot of souls, maybe I should go to a bonfire before continuing on
You should be trained to think like this by now.
>>336174376
I knew the dancer was there from the start cos early game there were a ton of bloodstains dying to that grab from the trailers
>>336177558
>farming
>cheating
are you retarded
I immediately used a homeward bone. The fight only initiates once you talk to the granny.
Anytime weird shit happens and I have a lot of souls, it's homeward bone time.
I really need to get in the Souls games. Y'all are talking about the Ancient Sticks of Buttfuck Mountain to defeat the Wizard Lord of Semen. and I have no idea what any of you are fucking talking about.
It doesn't drop you into the fight.
It puts you in the room. You have to talk to Emma and approach the room to initiate the fight.
I was teleported there and then just ran out to the Vordt fire.
Punish npc murderers and casuals.
Truly the best boss.
>>336178527
>Being this illiterate
>Not reading that it ported me from eater of gods directly to the dancer room instantly after beating him.
>not reading that it gave me the bowl, and then I was standing so close it instantly triggered the next boss fight
>/v/ is good at dark souls...
>>336173172
deal with it, pleb
There were several moments where I lost 30-40k at a time, and I didn't complain about it.
>>336177951
>Loose 100k souls dying to Dancer
>Quickly get back there
>Every time I die and enter the fog door I clench my anus to not die before I can pick them up
>>336178693
>approach the back of the room
I meant.
>>336173172
Go to the 2nd bonfire in the dragon place
Kill the respawning enemies
Wear souls ring and shield of want - 5120 souls per kill
Get 100k souls in about 10 minutes
Quit whining.
>>336178596
Honestly I though Dancer was going to be a bonus boss after you beat the game. Like how you come back to Smelter demons room in DS2 and fight pursuer again. Since dancer didnt show up right at the beginning of the game like in the previews I was lead to believe it was maybe a NG+ thing and stepped right forward after being teleported.
>>336178689
Other than buttfuck all of that is wrong. See
>>336178709
>>336178768
Why? You could take a nice stroll around the room to look at all the pretty architecture before picking up your souls and you could still get out before the Dancer does anything. She's the most passive boss in the game.
More importantly, who the hell does Yhorm before Aldritch?
You could have easily recognized that area as a boss arena. Even if you went in completely blind it's fairly obvious due to the room's size+emptiness and, I don't know, all the bloodstains. The boss doesn't trigger right away, you need to be practically hugging the place where you put the bowl.
Even if you do trigger it you can homeward bone out. And if you don't do that you can equip ring of sacrifice, make a beeline for your souls, die and only lose the ring (which the handmaiden sells fucking three of).
And even if you lose your souls... so what? 100k souls is nothing at that point in the game.
>>336179230
I did. Fight me faggot.
>>336173172
The game throws plenty of homeward bones at you or are you one of those fags who hoard millions of souls only to die twice and complain about it.
>>336174376
Fucking this. I wanted to cash my souls in right away. I knew the room was in Lothric and that I would come back super easy. OP you're a retard.
>>336179230
Why the fuck not?
Just teleport to Vordt and run up the stairs OP. Shit man you have it easy.
>Kill Aldrich
>Teleported to Dancer, die
>Ember up at Vordt
>immediately get invaded
>faggot slides around like a hockey puck because From can't into frame rate and latency
>kills me
>lose 100k souls
>literally can't fall asleep that night because of my burning hatred for one person who I'll never meet
Worst of all was that he was a slimy purple phantom. Is there a gayer covenant?
>>336179348
>SHOULD HAVE KNOWN ITS A BOSS ROOM
>Room with an NPC are normally big empty rooms
>Entire early game filled with random blood pools of idiots killing themselves and doing dumb shit
This thread reveals that /v/ is full of wiki reading redditors.
>>336179230
I did. Also, Siegward is best bro.
I accidentally triggered it, for literally every other boss you get a bonfire immediately after beating them and won't face any enemies until you leave the room. It would make more sense to expect a bonfire. That being said, the dancer does give you plenty of time to teleport out.
>>336173172
I just used a homeward bone and came back later. Even managed to kill her in my first try which was impressive
>>336179349
1v1 meSL1 Anor Londo Steps fists/bombs/knives only max estus chloranthy ring only xbox server fgt.
>>336178742
but how did you die the second time?
after you got killed by dancer, were you immediately teleported back to her again?
were you also immediately drained of all stamina so you couldn't dodge?
there are three different situations where you should have been able to figure out that shit is getting real.
the first is arriving at emma's, knowing that you have exhausted all paths available to you in killing the first three lords, and that the game will have to open up more content to you before you could progress. that might be a good time to think "ok, time to get my souls secured".
the second is when shit is going down, and you're fighting the dancer. i don't see why you couldn't use homeward from the inventory, since loads of people are able to do it, and especially considering you can remove the stats windows so that you can be in the inventory while also seeing what the dancer is doing.
and the most mind boggling thing of all is that after dying to the dancer, knowing that there is a boss there and knowing that your souls are in there, you still managed to go in and die again. i just can't understand how that would happen. i just don't understand how that could be anyone's fault but yours.
the game throws rings of sacrifice to you as well, so you could have just equipped that either in the fight, or during the run to get your souls back. how the fuck do you fuck up like that.
>>336179559
>Big empty room with no enemies or hazards
>bloodstains all over the floor
>HOW WAS I SUPPOSED TO KNOW IT WAS A BOSS ROOM?
>>336179559
>Entire early game filled with random blood pools of idiots killing themselves and doing dumb shit
It is actually impossible to get killed in that room except by means of the boss.
Also you didn't need to have read the wiki. Dancer was the network test boss.
>Room with an NPC are normally big empty rooms
Like what? What NPC just has a fuck-off huge room all to themselves?
>Fight the dancer
>Keeps leaping at me and because of the lock on the camera freaks out
>because of this keep getting real nice closeups of dat ass
Hnnnngh
>>336178385
If you walk too close to the statue the fight is triggered. So unless you looked it up, you'd really have no way of knowing that. Most interactions with items like that are button prompts, like Wolnir's fight, so you expect to place the item or press a button to trigger something. It wasn't such a huge deal as OP is making it out to be, but its inconsistent design.
>>336178502
It's just poor design that's not consistent with the rest of the game, sorry bub. You can play the
>le so hardcore git gud scrub XD
schtick all you want, it's simply poor and inconsistent design.
>>336178527
>oh shit, I've got a lot of souls, maybe I should go to a bonfire before continuing on
>Didn't read the thread
You are automatically teleported to the Dancer's room upon beating your last Lord of Cinder, you do not get the opportunity to use the bonfire that spawns after beating the boss and it's very, very easy to trigger the Dancer fight without meaning to because, as I said twice already, it's just triggered when you simply walk close to the statue.
>>336179807
I didn't die a second time, a second time I did rush in grab my souls and bone out
God damn did /v/ never pass 3rd grade reading?
>>336178062
No it doesn't, it drops you off at the npc that gives you the banner, you can easily just walk out right across the way to the Vordt bonfire then come back after.
>>336179559
Anon, just admit you're an idiot for not immediately boning out.
>>336179517
>not liking glorious purple covenant, the covenant second only to the Sunbros
>>336179974
I aint reading that wall of text.
Cry more, bitch.
>>336179953
>implying that I researched the game or wanted to see any content before I played...
/v/ makes lots of assumptions about everyone being a scrub like them.
>>336179230
I did, were you not supposed to?
>>336180092
That's what you get for disclosing your ineptitude to a group of elitists
>>336179974
they should have made it a contextual button like wolnir i will give you that
but you should really be tiped off that something is wrong when you where teleported to a room with an npc in the floor, there is no excuses to not use a homeward bone or walk to vordt's bonfire
>>336179974
>not consistent
Vordt was a 'walk up' boss like Dancer. Even in the same area. Plus, you don't place the bowl until after the fight, so having a button prompt for it makes no sense.
>>336180092
It's still your own fault you couldn't recognize there'd be a fight in there.
>>336178709
>second playthrough
>damn, I could rush dancer to get avelyn
>archives locked even if you killed her with only a +2 raw
Why even let me trigger earlier then?
>>336177558
>cheat
>>336180312
again...
>room you go to maybe 1 time at the start of the game
>90% of the game later ported back after a very intense boss fight
>100% of the time before the game has gave you access to a bonefire after a boss
>this time it doesn't...
Guess I just post this question in any of the thousand DS3 threads.
I played all Dark Souls games, some multiple times, without ever trying out a full int build or something similar. I have always been whacking with weapons instead of abilities (I did run a faith/dex build once but this is just buffing your weapon and then continue slashing).
So now in DS3 I see all those cool abilities and finally want to try them out. Something flashy and cool, doesn't necessarily be the best build possible.
What do you guys suggest I'll roll with? Pure int? Int/faith for some pyromancies? I just wanna have__fun__
>beginning of first playthrough
>get to dancer room and talk to npc
>way later i beat high lord and dont know where to get the doll to enter irithyll (i never found the crystal sage path by then)
>dont know where to go so revisit early areas
>go back to the dancer room and there are blood stains everywhere, know it cant be from the knights because they dont enter the room
>check one and see a dude get lifted like 20 feet into the air
>>336179974
>>If you walk too close to the statue the fight is triggered. So unless you looked it up, you'd really have no way of knowing that. Most interactions with items like that are button prompts, like Wolnir's fight, so you expect to place the item or press a button to trigger something. It wasn't such a huge deal as OP is making it out to be, but its inconsistent design.
i'm not sure what design that's inconsistent with.
you are given an item that says "things will happen when you place this at spot". if you're cautious about your souls and happy that you just got 100k, that should be the time to think of getting your souls safe.
maybe you're just arguing that there should have been a "place thing at spot" prompt, but OP seems more focused on the souls lost and the idea that they were taken from him without giving him options to retrieve them.
>>336179953
>It is actually impossible to get killed in that room except by means of the boss.
People were killing themselves in hunter's dream in BB all the time and I sure like to power within in safe areas a few times to maybe scare some people.
>>336180312
>there is no excuses to not use a homeward bone or walk to vordt's bonfire
Well that kind of defeats the purpose of the game being designed this way though, why bother with teleporting you there at all if the best and intended option is to immediately leave? Just let me rest at the bonfire, then get transported.
The problem is just that you don't get the opportunity to use the bonfire you just created after defeating your last Lord of Cinder and how the Dancer fight is triggered. If it was a button prompt like Wolnir I'd have no complaints, it just springs the fight on you for walking up to the statue which isn't consistent with how the game typically presents bosses or item interactions. I thought I'd be able to place the bowl and be able to leave or do whatever, like when placing the Lordvessel in DaS1, but just walking up to the statue triggers the fight.
>>336180136
I think he means that Yhorm is off the beaten path toward Anor Londo and Aldrich is hyped more. We also know where to find Aldrich because you can tell early the Irythill is AL, but it's not clear where the Profaned Capital is until you stumble upon it going through what seemed to just be an optional area.
>>336177394
Her fatass got in the way
>>336180492
>want to host fight clubs in Irithyll but also want to invade Grand Archives because it's my favorite spot to invade
>you can't even invade Grand Archives if a Lord of Cinder is still alive
It made me a bit salty
>>336180598
the builds are never fun though since casting is literally easymode
>>336180662
>things will happen if you place this at a spot
>never prompted to place it, just stood too close to where you should place it...
I'm more asshurt with this
>Die to Boss or NPC
>Go back
>Souls clipped through a fucking wall or the Terrain
Goddamn why
>>336180568
yeah what the fuck is up with that??
just like when i killed lord of cinder and went to rest at the bonfire, suddenly the game was over???
what the fuck from, i just wanted to rest at the bonfire that every boss has to give me access to!
>>336173172
Roll roll attack
>>336180568
I don't think anyone is disagreeing with you there, it is annoying that the game makes you used to having a bonfire after every boss and then chooses to teleport you after you just fought a boss to another boss. That guy is right though they should have made it a contextual button.
>>336174990
I actually died as i killed aldrich, and it teleported me but i was dead as soon as i arrived. I had to look it up, otherwise i wouldnt have known
>>336173172
How shit can you be at vidya?
>>336180568
>no bonfire here
>time to homeward bone
If you didn't do this, you only have yourself to blame, you colossal faggot.
>>336180810
why would the dancer assume you didn't want to place the basin if you're approaching the statue?
I had a double ko with Aldrich. Got cutscene, spawned in Aldrich room, instantly died, spawned at Anor Londo bonfire without souls but still embered. Weird stuff.
>>336180832
One time my bloodstain literally didnt appear. Got knocked down at the cathedral roof and when I came to claim my 30k it wasnt there
Fucking bullshit
>>336180791
Not in DS3.
>>336180450
>Vordt was a 'walk up' boss like Dancer
But not in a room I had previously visited and found to contain a friendly NPC, and I was not teleported into Vordt's room immediately after having fought another boss and triggered Vordt unexpectedly.
The first time I walked into Dancer's room I did expect a fight, but then I found the NPC there and no fight was triggered. Not really reasonable to assume I'd come to a fight there later, the games rarely do stuff like that. An area with a friendly NPC is usually going to stay safe for the rest of the game.
>>336174989
Goldfish have a memory span of at least a month. Don't insult them by comparing them to this dipshit.
>>336180000
then i don't understand what you're upset about.
bosses that trigger before you're ready?
>>336173724
I played the game blind too and I recognized the room instantly because of the old woman.
>>336181052
Pyromancy actually is kinda easy mode, at least.
>>336180708
bottom line of this thread, from kinda droped this part of the game, they could have just made a cutscene after the last lord of cinder with the voice of emma asking for help and not teleport you there immediately
>>336181107
Fucked up mechanics that put boss fight after boss fight without warning with no fire between.
>>336181191
Not sorcery or miracles though.
>>336181330
if it happened again later in the game, would you be fine with it then?
>>336175193
>Hmm i wonder why there is so many bloodstains but nothing un the room?
I didn't know either honestly, the first time I went in there I saw blood stains everywhere and I figured they must have attacked the old lady and she went ham on them
>Warp into room after Aldrich
>Oh fuck someone murdered the fuck out of her
>Oh fuck, what did Vordt's soul say?
>He always stuck by something called the Dancer?
>Shit that's probably what killed her
>Basin says something about the statue
>If I go near that statue right there by the ladder, it'll probably trigger it
>Better get the fuck out of dodge and back to Vordt's bonfire before I start what's probably going to be a boss fight
You're retarded and can't into basic logic or paying attention to a goddamn thing
Return the game, you're too stupid for this shit
>>336181102
Then said friendly dies, so maybe you should realize some shit is going down and leave the room to find a bonfire or homeward bone.
>This fucking thread
Holy shit you peolle are dumb, it doesn't matter if he recognized the dancer room, someone that has NOT spoiled the game would not know that the dancer would come, and don't give me the homeward bone shit, the bitch is dying on the floor the player is incentivate to do what she says asap.
It's terrible design, like many other things in this game.
>>336174303
You've been in the room before.
You've talked to the NPC before.
The ladder was inaccessible so why would you even try to get to it? Has there ever been an instance in DS where a ladder was out of reach but swinging at thin air made it drop?
Even if you die you can easily get back to dancer from the high wall of lothric bonfire shortcut and only have to fight like 2 lothric knights. Then grab your souls in the dancer room.
Also, just as an aside, Dancer was a fucking cool ass boss.
>>336180662
>i'm not sure what design that's inconsistent with.
Again, most boss fights are behind fog walls or are not in rooms you previously visit containing a friendly NPC and do not happen back-to-back.
>that should be the time to think of getting your souls safe.
That's why this is inconsistent design, the game ALWAYS gives you the opportunity to do that right after a boss fight, except here. It whisks you away without letting you rest at the bonfire you just created and the boss fight is triggered by your proximity to the item in question, whereas other boss fights like that allow the player to initiate the fight on their own.
>maybe you're just arguing that there should have been a "place thing at spot" prompt
100K souls is nothing, I do just think it was a bad way to trigger this particular fight. If it allowed you to rest at the Yhorm/Aldrich bonfires first or had the fight triggered by the player initiating it, there'd be no problem at all. You're just kind of blindsided.
>>336181593
Even so, you should always have homward bone as one of your 10 items and dancer is slow enough that you can activate it easily.
>>336175342
>>336178229
>>336180908
>>336181006
its funny how common that isit happen to me too
>>336181330
>boss fight after boss fight
That doesn't happen, you're given ample time between them to bone out, if you're not a giant spazoid
And even if you are, you can still do it during, or at least put on a ring of sacrifice, boss starts far away from you and is very slow
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Can I be a cute witch in DaS3? I've heard bad things about sorceries and miracles.
>>336181536
Again, the problem is that the fight just starts if you get too close to the statue and the game doesn't let you rest at the last boss bonfire before teleporting you. It's not telegraphed at all like most boss fights are. Wolnir's fight didn't start when I walked too close to his cup, I had to touch it, why would I expect it to be different here?
>>336181967
>the fight just starts if you get too close to the statue
Well maybe don't get close to the statue? Maybe don't proceed with the game until you cash in your souls from last boss fight?
>>336181656
so when should the player be notified that emma wants them there?
the more i think about a prompt the more i dislike it, the dancer should assume you are going to place the thing if you have it and you're approaching. if you're close enough for a prompt, that's too close for the dancer to allow.
>>336181723
This. Dancer takes like a full ten seconds to even get you. And she goes neutral for long periods of times. By DaS3 standards she is ridiculously passive (in phase 1).
>>336181776
So why even have the fight designed that way if players are supposed to just bone out? Just let them rest at the last bonfire first, problem solved.
>>336173724
Honestly the main thing that gave it away to me was the massive amounts of pools of blood spread across the floor of people floating up into the air and slamming back to the ground dead.
>>336181919
Yeah, it's really easy.
The only downside is that it takes fucking forever to get the gear for it, so you'll just look like an asshole until late game when you can finally get the witch set and other things that make you look like a caster.
I really feel like this game wants you to be a longsword fag for the majority of it, and that's what frustrates me.
>>336181776
Of course, why wouldn't you bone out during the Dancer fight?
OP needs to git gud at menus.
>>336182201
They have to teleport you where you need to go otherwise you would've been lost
>>336182113
>Well maybe don't get close to the statue?
And how would I know to not do this? No other boss in the game triggers by you simply fucking walking up to a piece of the environment, in a room you've already visited, containing a friendly NPC, immediately after just finished beating another boss.
That's my fucking point you goddamn shitwit, you're making these excuses because the design is inconsistent, there's nothing in the rest of the game that indicates you should be fearful of walking up to a fucking static statue you've already seen before in an area you know is safe. It's inconsistent design, it goes against what the game conditions you to expect. That's it.
Dancer fight was fun though, one of my favorite in the game.
>>336182514
Just have some stupid voice over or something play after you beat Aldrich/Yhorm beckoning you to the chamber.
>>336173172
>there are people who still dont know you can Homeward Bone out of boss fights
>Teleported to I don't know where
>Bleeding woman on the floor before me
>I have lots of souls
>Very large open room
>No idea why she's hurt but its probably not good
And thats when I equipped the Ring of Sacrifice literally before I even moved.
Logic.
>>336182643
>And how would I know to not do this?
That's a wrong question. The correct question is "Why would you approach a statue?". And the reason is you read the new item description and wanted to progress the plot. Why would you want to progress the plot when you have a lot of souls you're afraid to lose though?
>>336182761
You wouldn't know where that chamber is
>>336182643
>No other boss in the game triggers by you simply fucking walking up to a piece of the environment, in a room you've already visited, containing a friendly NPC, immediately after just finished beating another boss.
no boss other than ancient wyvern requires me to run a marathon before i can do damage to it.
no boss other than yhorm requires a specific piece of equipment to beat.
no boss other than greatwood has enemies in the boss area that you can fight before the boss has started.
i think it's a neat way to kick the last part of the game into turbo, with the enemies becoming relentless and your allies desperate.
>>336183009
>The correct question is "Why would you approach a statue?"
To look at it?
>Why would you want to progress the plot when you have a lot of souls you're afraid to lose though?
That's the fucking point, the game doesn't really afford you the opportunity to do so, you're immediately teleported and cannot use the bonfire you just spawned. If the designers expect the player to warp out first, breaking sequence, then why design it that way in the first place? Just let the player rest a the the Aldrich/Yhorm bonfire first, problem solved.
The problem is that the game both springs the fight on you AND does it in a weird, inconsistent way without letting you use a bonfire if you don't warp out.
>>336173172
this game had the shittiest ending of any game i'v ever played. i realize that i didnt do what was required to get a different ending, but you cant fight the end boss a second time. you literally have to play the fucking game over from the begining, and thats bullshit.
>>336175201
Are you mentally handicapped?
>Oh shit I'm fighting another boss right after I just fought one already
>Die
>Might as well explore Gwynevere's old chamber
>Oh okay, I have to go to where Vordt was
>Teleport there, run into the fog gate and get my souls
>Kill her the second try
You guys bitch about some dumb shit. Even if you did lose all those souls, just co-op them back or some shit.
>>336183324
>To look at it?
That's a lie
You had a chance to look at it before. If it didn't interest you then, it wouldn't interest you now
>Just let the player rest a the the Aldrich/Yhorm bonfire first, problem solved.
See >>336182514
>>336183112
Why not? She could just fucking tell you where it is, or drop some obvious hints.
>>336183306
>no boss other than ancient wyvern requires me to run a marathon before i can do damage to it.
And that boss sucked too, did not like that fight. Wasn't even really a fight, it was dashing past snake-men hoping you wouldn't get killed by a giant fireball in the process.
>>336173172
Just grab your shit and homeward bone out of there.
After I got teleported I was a little upset because I wanted to look around Anor Londo a bit more. When I realized where I was teleported to (because I have a memory) I decided to turn and go to the bonfire I knew was down the way. Not because I knew there was a boss, but because I had a LOT of souls on me and wanted to level up then head back to see if there was anything in Gwynevere's room.
After that I went back and triggered the boss and was glad I had spent those souls.
But then I beat the dancer on my first try so it didn't even matter. Point is From should have put two bosses back to back and you should just git gud.
>>336183556
are you now arguing the gameplay quality of the examples i used to back up my argument?
why?
>>336182770
>there are people who homeward bone out of fights rather then fight them
>>336183537
>You had a chance to look at it before. If it didn't interest you then, it wouldn't interest you now
Nice strawman, has nothing to do with what we're talking about.
>They have to teleport you where you need to go otherwise you would've been lost
see
>>336182761
Have her beckon the player to the chamber, drop some hints or just fucking say where it is. Or warp you right after you've rested at any bonfire.
>>336183667
No, just saying I didn't like that fight, that's all.
Sorry manletking. I thought I was closer to the edge
>>336183789
>Nice strawman, has nothing to do with what we're talking about.
Except it has everything to do with what we're talking about. You're either butthurt about being called out, or an idiot
>>336183963
>You're now trying to make the discussion about whether or not I'd look at a statue having already been made aware of its existence previously instead of what we were actually talking about
Literally the dictionary definition of the term, shitwit.
>>336183324
>The problem is that the game both springs the fight on you AND does it in a weird, inconsistent way without letting you use a bonfire if you don't warp out.
there's a difference between springing the fight on you and the player not knowing they're triggering a fight.
but if i understand your point clearly, if there had been a bonfire that appeared in emma's room, that then disappeared during the dancer but reappeared after, that would be satisfactory?
>>336177930
Yeah when I want to go back to the bonfire I just quit the game because I'm also a fucking moron!
>>336184145
What we're talking about is you knowingly risked your souls, and then get mad at the game for possibility of losing them
>>336184474
actually anon the later half of the thread has been around why the bossfight -> bonfire norm was discarded.
i'm pretty positive it's actually about being mad about lost souls, but i don't know that, they won't say that, so arguing that is fruitless.
>>336184184
Teleport the player after they rest at any bonfire, its usually just going to be the one at Aldrich/Yhorm anyway. It's not that springing a fight on the player is bad I just don't think it was implemented well here. The game doesn't really condition you to expect that, and you always have an opportunity to spend souls right after a fight so I didn't think another boss fight would be triggered right away in the way it was. Wolnir's fight has you initiate it, I thought I'd place the bowl and have an object I could click on that would trigger something, like placing the Lordvessel in DaS1.
>>336184669
Because of people weren't ported into that room, instead of this thread we'd have "HOW WAS I SUPPOSED TO KNOW YOU HAVE TO COME BACK TO FIRST LEVEL"
>I'm a fucking faggot please rape my face
Ok
>>336173172
that's dark souls way of teaching you to always have a homeward bone ready, glad you like it
Am I newfag POS if Aldrich is kick my ass? I am down to 30 tries I think
>>336184474
>What we're talking about is you knowingly risked your souls, and then get mad at the game for possibility of losing them
>knowingly
Key word, I did not knowingly risk anything. I didn't enter a fog wall or enter a strange room of my own volition. I had no way of knowing a boss fight would be triggered by my proximity to an object in the environment because the game does nothing to condition the player to expect that, none of the other fights work like that and in fact you are to expect the opposite after fighting Wolnir.
That's the point, it's just inconsistent, the game always lets you rest at a bonfire immediately after defeating a boss but it whisks you away instantly this time instead. I didn't decide "nah, I won't rest here" then leave, I was never afforded the opportunity to rest and spend souls unless I broke sequence and warped out of Dancer's room which would kind of defeat the purpose of it being designed that way in the first place.
Just teleport the player after they rest at any bonfire.
>>336185001
>30 tries
What is killing you? He uses melee very infrequently so all you need to is not be stupid enough to ignore all the projectiles he sends out
>>336173724
even if you are retarded enough to not know that you can just walk out of the room without initiating the fight, you can also just homeward bone out. It's not hard, dancer isn't particularly aggressive in the beginning.
>>336184831
>There's no middle ground between being instantly and forcibly teleported into the room and being told absolutely nothing
>>336185001
Aldrich is only behind NK in terms of jank and bullshit.
Just watch for the arrow attack in phase two and make sure you got the stamina ready to dodge it and predict where she will teleport to so you can run over there ahead of time and get some extra hits in.
>>336184714
i don't understand when the teleporting would occur in your scenario.
kill third lord, rest at bonfire -> teleported? what difference would that make?
i'm also not sure why you would be conditioned to expect a boss fight there, or what difference it would make if you expected it.
>>336184831
jesus dude at least try to be cool
>>336185149
Not him, but probably that bulllshit arrow-storm. If he never did that the fight would be so much easier, as you said his melee attacks are slow as shit and easy to avoid, and he's big enough to just kind of flail around in his general vicinity and still hit him.
>>336185089
>I was never afforded the opportunity to rest and spend souls
You just admitted that it required proximity to an object. Your opportunity was all the time before that. You simply rushed to pick up the item and activate the object.
I could easily say I rushed to pick up the item in front of Wolnir and was never afforded an opportunity to do otherwise.
>>336179230
on my most recent run I killed yhorm, dancer, consumed king, champion, and nameless before i killed pontiff
>>336185440
When he casts arrow storm I simply run and weave between pillars. The attack already has a long charge time so it pretty much invalidates the move unless you're being impatient and trying to get hits in.
>>336183602
This. All of this whining when you had a chance to use your souls whether you knew it or not. The game puts you in front of it, but nothing forces you to run up to it. If you even took a second to turn around and look at your surroundings you should have known where you were. If you looked out the door and still didn't realize then you either DSP'd your way through most of the game never taking note of anything around you, or you have an actual memory problem.
There should have been two bosses back to back. Just git gud. Or homeward bone. Or ring of sacrifice. Or just lose the souls, the game is basically shitting them down your throat at this point anyway.
Cry some more.
>>336185414
>what difference would that make?
None. The OP is complaining about a situation that affected him and not others because he made a poor decision and instead he wants a situation that won't affect him but would equally lead to retards like him to make threads complaining that they weren't "conditioned" to be teleported after using a bonfire.
Semi related question here guys
Why can I set this place on fire?
Is it just supposed to be atmospheric for the bossfight? I never actually noticed this happening while fighting the dancer.
>>336175452
I skipped through everything too and still remembered that place
OP is just a retard
>>336185869
The boss is capable of doing it with her flame weapon. I guess From just set it to any and all flame damage.
>>336185414
Just let the player spend souls before presenting them with the opportunity to start the Dancer fight. Again, the problem is that you are both transported to the room instantly AND the fight is triggered in an unexpected way you really have no way of knowing about. If the fight is triggered by a "place bowl" prompt you initiate, that would just work fine.
I thought that's what it would be, a prompt like Wolnir's fight, but simply walking too close to the statue is what triggers the fight. If I decide place the bowl, that's on me, I made the decision to do that, but you really have absolutely no way of knowing the fight is triggered by proximity to the statue. You're not really given the opportunity to to make the decision yourself.
>not having homeward bones as a quick slot
This shit is basic but nooo, gotta fill all the item slots and cycle 10 items for your estus
>>336176374
Then why did that bitch summon me
Just contact me or sejd a letter to firelink instead of dropping me straight into a bossfight
>>336186136
If you press and hold the cycle button you automativally go to the first item which is usually estus. Very yseful fr people who like to run with knives and similar
I homeword boned out
>>336185532
>I could easily say I rushed to pick up the item in front of Wolnir and was never afforded an opportunity to do otherwise.
No, you can't you simpering shitwit, because you have to make the decision to press A and start the fight. I didn't decide to do anything but walk forward 5 feet, there was ZERO indication that being too close to an object would trigger the fight. Had I known it would do that beforehand, sure, you'd have a point, but no other boss does that and in fact do the opposite, like Wolnir.
>>336186084
These games are always about thinking from the perspective of the dev trying to screw you, you are expected to play it safe.
When I got teleported I was just like shit I got 100k souls, I should spend them before something happens, so I ran to vordts fire.
Aside from that you can get them back easy by runnign back, picking them up with a ring of sacrifice or using a homeward bone, no big deal.
Also 100k is only like 4-5 grind runs at yhorms fire, would take less then 15 min to get that back or two winged knight runs after the boss after dancer.
