Farron Keep and Road of Sacrifices is kicking my fucking ass.
Don't give up
>>336122030
I'm using a +3 Fire Lothric sword but I only ever do minimal chip damage to pretty much everything here except the poison guys.
Am I doing something wrong?
>>336122327
I wouldn't have infused with fire, but that's just me
>>336122327
using fire weapons removes scaling, get another weapon or putting stats in stre/dex is worthless
>>336122327
fire is BAAAD in this game, change immediately
>>336122327
Like anon said, you're probably not making the most out of your weapons.
Unlike some other games, what you see is what you get, aside from ring and magic buffs. So if your weapon says 100 (+10) with no STR scaling, putting a point in STR doesn't matter. The weapon is still 100 (+10).
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>>336122541
That explains a lot.
Someone said fire was really powerful early to mid game, but I suppose I'm past those parts now.
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>>336122450
The slowness of good STR weapons seem to negate their usefulness in damage dealing though.
>>336121773
Also, I see Pyro, Miracles, and presumably a Knight type build all in one here. While dividing your attention is fine, don't try to be a jack of all trades. By this point, you should have a pretty good idea of your eventual build.
And you really can't equally level STR, FAI, and INT to much benefit, if that's what you're doing. You would be much better off shaving one of those off and focusing your build.
>>336122702
My fire straight sword carried me to end game. Just achieve betterment.
>>336122702
Pyromancy is really strong against the entire game. Only big exceptions are one optional boss and some heavily armored enemies. But you have to be in it to win it. A pyro hand alone is not enough, you have to be PUMPING Int and Faith, and that's hard to do on a more weapon-based build.
Fire weapons, not as much.
I'm in a predicament here.
>>336123168
could you get summoned to fight the boss with someone and pick up your souls? or are they only in your world
>>336122879
You're absolutely right. The way poise works in the game, for PVE and PVP, you are much better off going with a weapon that hits less hard but more often, interrupting the enemy's attacks.
Id like a few balance/ DLC patches down the road to address this, but for now, quick is king. Not that you cant beat the game with anything you choose.
>>336123168
Take your weapon to the smith.
Change your infusion to Raw. Pump that until you hit about +8, as that should be around the 25-30 strenght/dex mark, as THAT is when saling starts to matter.
Scaling is literally useless except much higher levels, like 50-60+. Raw weapons are better for SL10-40.
That will let you invest more in vitality and endurance early on as well, which are two very necessary stats.
>>336123402
Completely agree. It's why you get that enchantment so early, it's a humongous boost in early game that becomes useless when you actually have stats to scale with. But that takes quite a while, and VIT is ridiculously important, the way the game works right now.
>>336122879
Nah you just have to use em right.
I bet your bitch ass uses a shield and you can't time dodges for shit. I bet your dumb ass doesn't 2h r2 charge and just spams r1 all day.
Its not the str weps that suck, its you that sucks.
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>>336123693
Uh, derp, correct that to Vigor, I think. Vitality increases equip weight, which isn't an issue as armor once again means jack shit, just equip lighter armor if you wanna do guts mc huge sword guy builds.
Raw straight sword + HP and Endurance pumping + exploring EVERYWHERE and looking for every god damned item in the level before proceeding is your best bet.
You want all dem estus as soon as you can get your grubby little hands on them.
>Play any souls game (including Bloodborne)
>Find weapon I like
>Start upgrading it
>Scaling is shit and it starts falling off midway
>Useless in PVP
>This is worse in 3 due to every nigger out there pumping shitloads of points into Vigor and spamming R1 on a longsword. Occasionally get one with a UHS that tries to sweep shit
>Find new weapon. Start upgrading it, run into same issues
>Now have like five weapons at +5 with two or three that may be good, but the scaling could shit the bed any second
I was told that the Astora Greatsword was great for 40/40 Pyro builds, but I don't want to go that far into dex. I tried it with the ring and its moveset sucks mad dick. Super slow and super shitty stam consumption.
Rolling with the Dragon Slayer axe at the moment, since it allows me to compete with R1 shitters. Do any of you have a suggestion for good pyro/chaos weapons?
>>336124109
A plain old straight sword. If you don't wanna pump dex but have decent STR rating (20+), Butcher's Knife and Heavy Infused Dark Sword are good ways to get a decent weapon. Butchers Knife has an S rating in strength at +10 too.
aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa i cant even reach 1st bonfire in catacombs of carthus
>>336124457
I don't think that investing the 24 Str necessary to get the Butcher's Knife is a good idea for a pyro build. Not to mention that S in str does nothing for a Chaos weapon infusion.
I guess I'll just keep going with my Raw Dragonslayer and popping fire on it.
Dunno about straight swords. The Astora one at +7 raw does less damage than the Dragonslayer and has rather shitty range. I don't think investing into a similar weapon will pay off.
>>336124492
You can drop down right after the Abyss Watchers bonfire in two different places for shortcuts, but of course do this after you ran around for a bit grabbing items.
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>>336123402
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>>336122963
Goddamn it, there is that urge to restart the entire game again.
>>336124705
Astora is the best straight sword if you're going raw, it carried me through almost the whole game infused with fire though. But only until I could infuse it with chaos, because I can't give up on my int and faith, pyromancy is too good.
>>336124935
Rosaria will allow you to reset your stat.
But it will lock you out of a covenant if you submit to it early.
>>336124935
I feel you. It took me 8-9 characters until I stuck with one to beat the game with.
>>336125062
It's dark souls 1 all over again.
I had like 10 different characters and none of them ever got further than O&S. Worst part is I always delete my saves so there is only one file as I keep telling myself "this time I'll stick to it!".
I tried doing this in DS3 but that urge to restart on a new build is starting to itch when I'm reading all this about how I should have focused differently.
>>336125316
you can respec btw
>>336125028
Actually only interrupts one NPC quest line.
As long as you're talking about Knights of Touch Fluffy Tail
>>336121773
>Run past enemies
>Upgrade weapon
>Stay away from boss and only attack when you see an opening. Take as much time as you need
Beat the game
>>336121773
Wut. That seriously isn't the hard part of the game.. Try to run past enemies and scout an area before clearing it, for example?
>>336123151
Just use raw weapon. You can beat the entire game with it
>>336125727
Actually most recent patch changed that. Nothing negative happens upon joining or respeccing. I altered my appearance, respecced, and then went and helped Sirris kill Creighton in her world. She thanked me at the shrine instead of telling me we're enemies.
>>336126028
Oh, sick!
Then in all likelihood, that dialogue was meant for people who have actually invaded and killed for sport after meeting her. Makes a lot more sense.
>>336125557
When can I do that?
>>336121773
They're not too hard, but they're fun areas.
Farron Keep's boss is great.
>>336124705
I missed the dragonslayer axe on my pyro playthrough, but I'd be put off by its triple split damage if you add fire. Split damage in general can have harsher penalties because each portion of the damage is low compared to the defense it's hitting, and a three-way should be pretty rough. Especially since pyros almost always run a fire clutch ring, so you want as much fire damage as possible on your weapon since its buffed as well.
That said, you can probably make do with whatever. I went 18 strength for the dark knight shield because I'm a turtling bitch, and ended up using a chaos dark sword. In retrospect, most light weapons would do similar damage to it. Even a chaos hand axe has nearly identical AR.
So Raw weapons is a thing in this game?
In the previows ones i never used raw infused weapons because i went all straight Dext/ strengh or infused with magic/faith depending on the build.
>>336126983
In prior games raw sucked because you either got it late, or it capped out at +10 compared to normal's +15. Now you get access to raw infusion immediately, meaning its often free damage in the early to mid-game where your low level weapons don't have decent scaling and you don't have the stats anyway. There's also no penalty for just converting the raw weapon to something else whenever another setup starts to do more damage.
>>336124992
Does Astora scale well with chaos?
>>336126905
I have heard the tales of split damage being shit. But it's outdoing the Astora Straight Sword, Battle Axe and Astora GS in terms of damage right now. Plus the moveset is super great.
I don't know if it'll be any good with chaos on it, though.
>>336125557
>>336125028
When/where do I meet Rosaria?
>>336127628
Cathedral of the deep. You can get there by going through the brokem tower near the swamp full of crabs.
You just gotta beat the Crystal sage and make your way through a rather short, albeit shitty, level and find her on a somewhat "hidden" path near the end of the Cathedral.
>>336123894
I'm with you dude but currently the massive stamina usage compared to quick weapons means just inherently makes it so much worse in a game where you can roll 15 times in a row. I still main ultra greatswords purely on the fact that I think they look cool.
>>336127280
Shit, so that's why many people are talking about.
Thanks bro, probably doing raw infusion when i create a build for mage or faith.
>>336127832
I tried my hand at a Zwei and a couple other GS.
>Invader runs at me.
>Starts spamming R1
>By the time I can effectively land a hit on his spammy ass he has already rolled away from my slow as fuck swing
>Rolls back to me, spams R1 again
>Rinse and repeat
Only GS or two handers with stomp/perseverance are worth a damn. You just face tank their first two swings and wreck their shit on the third.
It still sucks just how shitty they tend tl performs in PVP and PVE, though.
I think I fucked up.
I've been using a high strength build with a Fire Claymore. I've been getting through the game alright, I'm almost at the end, but maybe I could be doing more damage. Should I respec my weapon?
>>336128771
What is your strength level?
>>336128890
40
I'm at level 70. Been putting my points into Vigor and Strength.
>read some threads
>HURRR BUTCHER KNIFE SOO GOOOOD
>get it after pumping STR
>same damage as the icy meme sword
Is there any ((((good))))) non-twinkling sword/axe/mace worth upgrading?
>>336121773
>stuck
>pyromancer
You sir are a casual
>>336121773
stop using a shield scrub
>>336128962
You're better without the fire geam. Change your weapon with a Heavy Gem. That will make your weapon scalle more with your strength stat.
>>336129019
for a str build
estoc with heavy gem
great machete
fume
>>336122702
farron keep is still early game, right next to hitting mid-game.
>>336127461
I just used another character to check. The problem is dragonslayer's axe's C/C scaling with chaos/dark is 100 fire AR less than other weapons' B/B. At 40/40 with a fire clutch ring, chaos dark sword has 534 AR and the axe has 475. Which isn't necessarily huge, but I checked against actual enemies.
Untended Graves
Grave Wardens
sword 362
axe 251
hollows
sword 438
axe 301
Silver Knights
sword 273
axe 192
So despite having ony 59 less AR, it's actually doing 81 to 137 damage less per hit in practice. I'd guess it's like the astora straight sword, in that its decent base damage makes it fairly good early on, but it gets comparatively worse and worse as you progress.
>>336128962
ur attunement seems waay to high desu
anyone else having trouble getting kicks to work? playing on pc, is my controller just shit?
>>336129221
Yeah, that'll make things easier, you dumb retard, no-shield faggots liek you are the worst and no, you're not gud for dying avoidable deaths
>>336123168
Thats a glitch
The souls are supposed to reset to the solid ground before the boss room
>>336128318
well I'm raping with Yhorms Great Machete
both PVE and PVP
the last 10 pvps, maybe I lost 2
people don't expect the tracking of the weapon, and I hit like a fucking truck, most people are 2-3 hits
so you can go with GS/UGS weapons
I sometimes switch to Greatsword
but Yhorms is really great
>>336122327
I didn't switch from +3 fire long sword till catacombs.
Why do I barely hit as hard as a darksword, but I am 3 times as slow?
+9 Heavy Cathedral Great Sword
>>336129392
Thanks for the input man.
I did some testing in the dungeon before Anor Londor. The axe dealt 756 damage to the Jailers and 496 to hollows at +5. The sword did 798 to Jailers and 456 to hollows at +6. I guess it depends on their resistances. Both of them are currently raw, though.
I really want to move out of shitter territory and avoid Dark Sword and other Straight Swords. But if the scaling is super I guess I'm game.
Know any good chaos weapons?
>>336131556
Because after 5 games From still does not know how DSP works.
>>336131985
Even DSP doesn't know how DSP works.
>>336131821
Basically anything that you can hold that gets B/B scaling. It's a shame that normal axes don't. The handaxe does, but its range isn't great. You have a lot of options, but most don't really have any advantage over straight and piercing swords, which is why they're so prevalent.
