prove to me that suppression in videogames is not retarded as fuck, and that it's not the cancer destroying the mmofps industry.
>protip: u fucking can't
also pic related as fuck
>>336120010
I don't mind the actual suppression, however shitting your pants over someone banzai charging at you and thus being unable to aim is just bullshit.
>>336120131
that's also retarded, i agree, but that's was thought to try to balance a shitty game such as rising storm. what i'm talking about is:
>a bullet flies close to you
>your aimed down iron sight moves on its own
>>336120314
Sometimes it's better to shoot and miss than wait, aim and shoot. It's just bringing slightly different flow to the combat.
>>336120482
nah I don't think so. i have 500 and more hours in the game, most of em with the k98, with which i have over 65% precision rate. it's just straight up retarde that because randomly bullets go near you, you suddenly can't aim anymore, because that takes skill out of the equation and just puts in more and more chance
>>336120780
Yet you "don't think so". It's not "chance" for someone to shoot at you to suppress you to fuck your aim. It adds a new level of tactics.
>prove that [specific mechanic] that was deliberately put in [select few games] is destroying the mmofps industry
if you don't like it just play another game you double nigger
>>336120010
I think insurgency does it best, the actual fear of you the player being hit is better than any simulated suppressionit does blur your screen a bit though, but I think it would work without it.
Muh realism in FPS is cancer
>>336120010
>Plays a realistic shooter
>Complains about a realistic feature
top lel
I'd like to see you remain perfectly accurate without resorting to your instinct while getting fired at.
>Inb4 it's a video game
It's a realistic video game
Any FPS which attempts to be somewhat realistic needs a suppression mechanic as a way to simulate real world reactions to being fired at. So many games have the efficacy of their support weapons such as light machine guns completely gimped because they are unable to suppress enemies
>>336120131
Banzai charges are utter bullshit. A non retarded jap team can just spam them and win the map in minutes. It's so silly how powerful they are, especially in a game thats supposed to be about realism.
>>336121594
However there's an even more powerful direct counter to them, and it's the flamethrower. Once I started playing that class, I felt like I was turning banzai charges and whole games around.
>>336121492
>>336121384
"realism" because of course trained and field experienced soldiers can't handle the stress of battlefield and the sound of close-flying bulltes. right
>>336121212
i wish I could, but all the half decent mmofps games include this shit, you triple nigger
>>336121669
also ez win amerifag detected, play as jap if you have an ounce of self respect faggot
>>336121669
A lot of the games where our team gets coordinated enough to launch a full team banzai, a single flamer in waiting kills the entire team because no one stops to shoot him
>>336121563
in a game such as RO2 you don't need suppresion mechanics due to the sheer consciousness of the player who knows that a single bullet can and will kill him.
the anxiety of being fired upon cannot be "simulated" by autistic visual effects and retarded automated weapon movements through the gaming platform, but is created as an emotiob in the player himself with the ease with which his soldier dies
>>336122245
name 3 mmofps with suppression
>>336120314
That isn't moving on its own. Your character flinched because they just nearly died.
>>336122670
RO2, BF3, BF4, BFBC2. and i'll probably think of more.
>>336122871
that's acceptable for someone without combat experience, because you can't expect to place a single hit in actual combat if you don't shoot every time bullets fly in your direction
>>336120010
People dont fear death in vidya, suppression provides for a counter to that
Works well in most games, more need it. If it was up to me it would be in every shooter.
>>336124052
just put "a one hit to the chest kill" policy in place and people will internalise the anxiety that comes with incoming fire, with no need for suppression. try RO2 in realistic mode if you never have, you will understand what i mean
>>336124236
No they dont, nearly all modern shooters have near instant deaths and it means nothing.
>>336124236
I think a slight blur and good audio goes a long way though.
>>336124432
i have no problem with slight blur and audio. not that I like it, but it doesn't prevent me from hitting my target.
what I can't stand is the fact that in the battlefields, whenever you are suppressed the spread of your weapon multiplies by a factor of 100, preventing you from hitting anyhing further than 5 meters, and that in RO2 your rifle moves on its own whenever a bullet flies close to you (yes, "simulating" the flinch of the soldier, though for me that's total bullshit), which almost always mean death for a bolt-action armed rifleman
I need a good multiplayer shooter /v/. I played a lot of Ro2 and RS but they became boring. Is Battlefield good?
>>336124834
>but it doesn't prevent me from hitting my target.
Good. More games need it.
>>336124834
you should try insurgency
>>336124341
also not true. in battlefield 3 and 4 hardcore mode it is still common to survive several hits, especially from any distance higher than 50 meters (which shouldn't be a big deal in modern bullets' ballistics)
>>336120010
i wouldn't mind suppression if it worked equally well on everyone but grinding out level 100 shouldn't make you immune to it.
>>336121219
I like the blur because it's like the dirt getting in your eyes or something... I'm autistic.
>>336120010
>Why do games trying to emulate real life have realistic mechanics in them.
??????????????????????????
Are you fucking retarded sage
Suppression is why I love playing as the Japs. They have more suppression resistance and are not fucking afraid to die for the glory of Nippon.
>>336125009
audio is the best though, that crack crack crack makes me panic more than anything.
>>336124923
I don't think i'd like it... i play nly battlefields because of veichles and destructibility, otherwise i play only RO2 due to atmosphere, squad mechanics, and bolt actions.
insurgency has none of these things, as far as I know, i see no reason to play it rather than the generic cod
>>336124861
no, not really. sometimes I settle for it when RO2 bores me
>>336123846
those are not MMOFPS
>>336125142
I agree. nothing quite like the sound of bullets flying close to your head to make you feel alive
>>336125189
you'd probably like it for the same reasons you like ro2, the terrorists even have a mosin in the sniper class if you really wanna bolt.
>>336125223
massive multiplayer online first person shooters - games where you shoot other players. how in the world do they not fit in the category?
where you born this retarded or did you take lessons?
>>336125406
>games where you shoot other players
Not him but MMOFPS only applies to massive shooters, like PS2 or MAG
>RO2, BF3, BF4, BFBC2
Are not MMOFPS games, they are just FPS games.
>>336122245
>"realism" because of course trained and field experienced soldiers can't handle the stress of battlefield and the sound of close-flying bulltes. right
How about you talk knowingly about things you actually KNOW. Go lecture someone how pissing in soda bottles in your moms basement while being on welfare is a legit lifestyle.
>>336125325
I don't know... I'll watch some gameplays on yt and decide. thanks anyway
>>336120010
pic related is the best FPS series out there right now, prove me wrong
>>336124923
The original Insurgency mod had a brutal suppression system and was better for it.
The retail version may as well be CoD by comparison.
>>336125484
>mag
>massive
arma series has bigger playercounts
>>336125516
no one can
>>336125484
whatever, FPS then. this doesn't influence the correctness of my point in the slightest
>>336125565
You can do bigger in Arma, but people dont.
>>336120131
you don't need to aim when you see a banzai charge, just spray them with bullets, it's not like you have to snipe some japs since they're 10 metres away from you
git gud
>>336125406
>massive multiplayer
>64 players
wew lad
>>336125792
And do you dare to claim that you've actually played this game? You can't just spray through that damage resistance.
>>336126007
but it slows them down with limb damage making their banzai charge moot
>>336125792
Honestly you have a better chance of just meleeing a jap back. THey don't get melee resistance, and your bayonet is a few inches longer as a US.
>>336126346
False. The japs have longer rifle + bayonet distance. Only two american weapons have a bayonet, compared to six on the japanese side.
>>336126420
>>336126346
>>336126007
are you fucks seriously insinuating that the jap are somehow advantaged in that fucking game?
>play in 2014
>no one banzai cahrges
>play in 2015
>reece and a lot of charismatic Jap TLs start popping up
>banzai charges everywhere
>banzai charging screams in voice chat
Truly amazing
https://youtu.be/g1QPdc5eoKs?t=4m24s
>>336126716
No, they might be the underdog but they have their really unique pros to counter some of the cons. They're not different enough to say which one is clearly better.
>>336126716
>Banzai charge is absolutely worthless
>no it's actually not
>hurr are you saying japs are overpowered
>>336126716
literally if your kneemortars are good you win: the game
>>336126716
All the Americans have are better guns. Sure, Japanese players might only have bolt actions at first, but they also have semi automatic rifles.
If they want to use it, their semi automatics are on the other side of the battlefield in American hands.
>>336122552
The core problem with your argument here is that the risk of dying in a game does not compare with the risk of dying in the real world. Therefore, the emotion created in the player can never come close to representing the effects being fired at in real life do. As a result, a suppression mechanic is required to more closely align the game to reality. It's definitely a difficult effect to create well, but I think the flinching mechanic from RO2 does a pretty good job
>>336122245
Alot of soldiers in dubya 2 were teenagers and a large ammount of soldiers later in the war were barely trained
FYI in spec mode Allies' voices replaced the Axis, but the charging team are the Japs.
This is a birds' eye view of a banzai charge in Rising Storm/Red Orchestra 2.
I have never felt so much camaraderie in an FPS game. If you haven't tried Rising Storm, you're missing out.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bZjx0hiIJT8
>be in cover with squadmate
>suddenly hear type 100 firing from afar
>duck in cover, tell squadmate to get down
>he's already dying, caught a bullet in the chest before he could duck
>his body is convulsing
>you hear him say this to you
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ldNSMnEeKio
>>336127158
>cap a zone
>half of the team picks up US weapons
>I go completely crazy from the US gun sounds behind me
DU SCHWIMMST NOCH HEUTE NACHT IN DER WOLGA IVAN!
>>336120314
>Complains about realism
>Is fine with looking down iron sights
When you freshly start RO2 the idea is you're a fresh recruit. Now in WWII, these recruits recieved minimal training before seeing combat. So when you're pinned down you get more affected by suppression. The idea is as a fresh recruit you're gonna be scared shitless when pinned down by an mg42. Now as you level up, that's your soldier staying alive longer in the battle. Your uniform gets trashed, you soldier is more familiar with their weapons, and reacts better under pressure. They can bolt, and reload faster, aren't as scared under fire and thus preform better. That's the idea they're going for in this game. And without out the suppression mechanic mgs wouldn't be nearly as scary or useful. You wouldn't be able to effectively cover your team without it.
>>336127791
>tfw when you've played enough to recognize each weapon's firing sounds
Really helps not accidentally tking people and tracking down hiding enemies.
>>336120010
well in a realistic game any bullets that did come your way would quite literally make you hit the deck and stop moving
so unless you want it so that if someone fires at you you can't move...at all, i suggest you shitpost somewhere else
>>336123846
Go to a warzone and see if any of those trained soldiers aren't constantly flinching whenever they hear a bullet whiz by. It's supposed to be "realistic" man. That's what happens in real life.
>>336127791
Every time, god damnit.
>>336123846
>Battlefield
>Not the most casualized fucking thing ever and COMPLETELY different to what RO2 is trying to achieve
>This somehow is supposed to validate your point
The only thing you've validated is that you're fucking retarded
I hope Days of War will have suppression in it.
I also think Insurgency makes it correctly.
>>336123846
>because you can't expect to place a single hit in actual combat if you don't shoot every time bullets fly in your direction
The moment bullets fly in your direction you cover your sorry ass.
Sticking out but a thumb is retarded in such a situation.
And soldiers do flinch you crackhead.
For fuck's sake, the statistics show that only a fraction (1/4th or 1/5th, possibly somewhere in between) of the soldiers who come under fire ever fire back.
And yes, we're talking actual military statistics from the recent conflicts and not your perceived notions from behind your cheetos covered desk.
>>336120010
>mmofps
>suppression mechanics are the problem
Wew lad
Favorite RO2 gun go!
Mp-40 is my life
>>336120010
I don't mind your aim getting screwed up but the screen turning grey is dumb
>>336131137
SVT-40 is my raifu
>>336131137
All about that trench gun in rising storm and the kar98
>>336120010
that actually sounds awesome
the thing I hate the most about arma is the laser kebabs who will snipe you even though they're under fire from machine guns
>>336131137
PPSh even though I main Germany
>>336131137
Can't decide between drum mag ppsh and mp40. Fuck stg queers.
Type100 is my bby in RO.
>>336130926
>dude I'm totally like 90 year old war veterans I play video games lmao
I hate this shitty meme
>>336120010
How to make proper suppression in videogames:
Step 1. Make it a chore do die, either by long spawntimes or placing the player way out of action.
Congratulations, you have now designed a system where players would rather duck and cover than get killed, aka suppression.
>>336132060
I'm not sure you understand the image senpai
>>336132060
I dont think you understood that one
>>336132218
I've seen it spammed all over 4chan
it's a shitty r9k meme about how girls have it easy because being a girl is easier than being in a warzone. No shit. You're not in a warzone either.
>>336132207
Except suppression is not simply a behavioural, but a real biological thing that would happen to you.
>>336131137
I have a soft spot in my heart for the Mosin Nagant, but I really like the AT rifle
Blasting huge rounds through Bolshevik scum is fun as fuck
>>336132207
>would rather duck and cover than get killed, aka suppression.
that's not how it works. The chance that you actually get hit is not as high as you think. They use an automatic gun in a squad to suppress the enemy but the rifleman is the one who actually tries to be accurate.
>>336132324
Wtf anon
>>336120010
>mp44 in Stalingrad
triggered... reminds me of the burnt out king tiger from WaW' Stalingrad level
>>336132560
>>336132643
just try explaining how it's not a garbage attentionwhoring meme
btw I wasn't referring to their mario and luigi costumes. I was referring to faggot nerds actually comparing their struggles on a video game forum to war veterans
>>336120010
It's to prevent people just popping quickly over cover and killing you, without it machine gunners would just be massacred. It's better than nothing. Though I would like it if RO2 didn't drain the colour out.
>>336120131
This really pisses me off, you start turning into a drunk when they get close.
>>336128765
Thank god someone who understands the design choices of the game
>>336132819
Oh so you're unironically wrong
>>336133383
you realize some autist made like 100 of those right? and spammed them all over? embarrassing
>>336132819
I'm not the guys you're arguing with, but I am the meme poster in question. It's the only military-esque image I have on my phone abon, settle your nerves before posting on 4chan. Maybe lurk for 5-6 more years.
>be 28
>served with 101 for 6 years 09-2015
>make no mention of this anywhere
>ignorant niggers and liberals hate me anyway
Some things never change.
Pic related, my ex squeeze. Only pic I have of any of my old shit
>>336120010
The thing that killed red orchestra was having more than one game "mode." It should have just been the realism mode because it's strikes a healthy balance between classic for fans and action for new and more casual players to keep the game alive. That and a terrible release, breaking promises and lying, and finally the netcode has been and still is completely shit.
>>336134007
Fug
>>336134103
Oh right, and the terrible map design. Especially in rising storm.
>>336134103
Maybe they'll drop the classic shitterfest for RO2.
>>336134007
that's cool but you should know the origin of shitty memes and how annoying they are
also you're a nigger for posting from your phone
>>336120010
Supression is good when made like in BF4 (some vignetting and contrast changes, your aim sways a little bit but you can counter it).
It's horrible when done like in BF3 (screen goes blurry, bullets don't go where you're aiming, no way to counter it).
I think Red Orchestra 2 does it pretty well, losing some color and some aim sway isn't that terrible, and if you're good you can deal with it.
Some games though...
>>336134318
>memes are annoying me
>let me go out of my way to shitpost about it consecutively
Ladies and gentleman, the average millenial.
>Favorite map
Grain elevator
>gun
MP-40
>faction
wehrmacht
>what you like the most/least about RO
>>336120131
Well good thing every team is retarded and can't cordinate
>>336127791
>>336134648
Grain elevator? Really?
Really? How, why?
>>336134648
>Favourite Map
Bridges because retards vote for it at every chance
>Gun
Mp40
>Class
Sniper
>Faction
Slavs
wut
I've never understood mechanics like this.
If I am under fire, I am already suppressed. Make death mean something and I will naturally have the "effects" of it.
Same as shitty FEAR effects like in the Amnesia games. Only one I saw do it well was Eternal Darkness.
>>336134932
Its just fun my man
>>336134940
Bridges is mind-numbingly boring
>>336134932
It can be a fun map even if your Team is retarded
>>336135146
This is exactly why i like grain elevator
>Get the Urge to play Ro2
>Populated servers
>Bridges
>Elevator
>Aparment
>Baracks
>Join server without shit map
>Switching Maps
>BRIDGES
>>336135297
Dont forget pavlos house
>>336134648
>Favorite map
Kesselschlacht. I'll probably get shit for this, but I always loved the atmosphere in Fallen Fighters even though it's horrible to play on.
>gun
Nugget
>faction
Soviets
>what you like the most/least about RO
Movement is a wee bit clunky at times and I hate the fact that I need to switch to the Germans if I actually want to win a match. Other than that, the game captures the depressing atmosphere of the setting. No other series depicts war as brutal as RO.
>>336135405
If you cant win as ruskies you or your team just sucks giant cock m8.
>>336135370
Pavlovs house would be a fun map if the shitty meta didn't make C so important
>>336135297
Why do people play Bridges of D-whatever anyway? I think it's the worst map in the game, aside from the tank only maps.
>>336135570
I was playing pavlos the other day as wehrmacht attacking and holy fuck there was 2 mgs just fucking our assholes the entire time im almost convinced they were aimboting we were getting gibbed almost instantly at spawn
>>336135567
You can't deny most of the maps and weaponry is scaled in favor of the Axis. Winning as Russians requires impeccable teamplay and mild retardation on the Axis side.
>>336135752
I have no idea but agree its incrediblely boring of a map
>>336126783
I've played with Reece before, he's rather dramatic
He's probably stopped playing now, like all the good TLs
>>336135752
Wehraboos love it because it's basically shooting at pigeons for them. The tank and the increased tickets don't compensate nearly enough for the fact that Russians have to fight in an open area with no place to hide. Uphill at that, too. Plus, there are way too many points to capture in time.
I've played this map maybe 100 times as Soviets and won 6 of the matches at best.
>>336120010
>insurgency
is there a comfier realistic war game
personally, i fucking love it, the guns are great, the mods are great and the "realism" is put really well
also sound direction is 10/10
>>336135752
I think Bridges of Druzhina is actually pretty good, with the whole transition between plains to woodland to town. The problem is that its so long and played way to much.
>>336136280
Something about Insurgency feels to Arcady to me , it's probably the Source Engines fault though
>>336120010
>prove me this
I can't, guess its cancer and you should stop playing ya dumb fag
>>336136280
I picked up RO2 and Insurgency after years of not playing any multiplayer. Insurgency looks and feels so cheap compared to RO2 I have no urge to ever play it again. However, Insurgency: Sandstorm is very exciting.
>>336132704
It's an MKB42(H)
>>336136224
you sure you aint just bad buddy?
>>336136535
I feel the same way and I think it's the fact that all the maps are so damn small for a game with 'realistic' damage
>>336134969
I'll take supression effects over round permadeath, because that's only way they could make people conservative with their lives when under fire.
Why are ruskies so salty on this game?
>>336137739
>lol u bad son
I usually top the scoreboard on my team's side.
Not that it would make a difference in a team-based game. But I guess it's nice you revealed yourself as a frag-hoarding wehraboo.
>>336138190
>frag hoarder
Nah m8 i play stealthy arty dropper SL
>>336138190
what class do you main
>>336134648
>Favorite map
Bridges
>gun
PPSH-41
>faction
Soviets
>what you like the most/least about RO
Ay Bylat
>>336138290
Not him, but that amounts to the same shit.
>sit back
>others set arty markers
>you call in arty
>maybe call in recon, but only if you feel like it
>>336138556
???? i dident say i played TL
>>336138413
None, I play whatever is in requirement at the moment.
I enjoy rifleman the most, however.
>>336127791
IM NOT CRYING. THATS JUST SOME RAIN THAT FELL ON MY FACE
>>336135297
Go download Heroes of the West and play some Western Front maps. Totally breathes new life into the game.
>>336139323
how the fuck do i even get that to work i downloaded it off steam and it always just brings up vanilla RO2
>>336134648
>Map
Ootori Shima. Rain/thunder is great fun
>Gun
BAR
>Faction
Das Heer
>Like/hate most
It feels more realistic than most other shooters, and I can easily feel immersed in that. It encourages me to sometimes hold back as if my life was on the line; I was able to go without dying on Bridges from Cap C & D to the end, and I felt like a lucky man for making it out alive with only two injuries.
I don't like how I'm just bad sometimes. I don't know how it goes for y'all, but there are days where I can be top 5, having fun, doing well, and then there are just random days where I can't hit an enemy/can only team kill at 30m.
>>336120131
be 18 in pacific shit ton of Japs running at you prepared to stab you with a bayonet while being hit by knee motors, I'm pretty sure I'd be shaking enough to lose accuracy.
>>336139398
When you look in the server broswer, you can now find HotW servers.
>>336139323
>>336139609
wow really? reinstalling it now to check i feel pretty fuckin retarded if this is the case.
>>336139612
I really like the new MKB sounds. Brits are so fun though. Them piats.
I'm alright with suppression that blurs your vision a bit if led is flying at you but the way BF3 handled it was fucking awful. Anyone who shoots at you shuts you down completely because your bullets begin to curve so whoever shot first could never be punished for spraying like a retard.
i swear sometimes i die to some REALLY random ass shots and its mildy frustrating.
>>336139821
Bloodbath is a good sever with a decent amount of players/ping
>>336140695
Bloodbath admins add you if you play on their servers, just a warning
