ROMA INVICTA
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AVE, FILTHY PROFLIGATES
THIS BOARD IS NOW UNDER THE CONTROL OF MIGHTY ROME, CONQUERED BY ME, PUBLIUS QUINTICILLIUS VARUS, AND MY VAST LEGION
IN ORDER TO GAIN VALUED CITIZEN STATUS IN THE EMPIRE, YOU MUST SUBMIT TO ME YOUR FAVORITE GAME ABOUT ROME OR BE CAST OUT INTO THE BARBARIAN WASTES
>>336098893
Why did Rome fall so quickly, compared to the ERE?
Also, I guess EU4 with extended timeline mod.
>>336099448
>massive Senate corruption
>willful assimilation of provinces into encroaching barbarians
>food shortages
>huns
>was the more well known part of the empire, greater target for sacking
>didn't have as many highly profitable regions as ERE
>had more unstable provinces than ERE (Brittania)
>it's 395
>you are the emperor of the WRE
How do you save the empire, /v/?
>>336099448
literally feminism
>>336099730
Why didn't the ERE assist Rome?
>>336100032
I would just have massive orgies while Rome is burning
>>336100126
Cultural and political split, plus it wasn't doing too hot either, just better relative to the flaming shit pile of the western fall.
>>336100126
One word: Sassykids
Also, I would like to express my hatred for FOURTH CRUSADE AND OTTOMANS REEEEEEEEEE
Hi
>>336100032
>raise taxes while reducing the bread dole in Rome to finance and feed entirely mercenary armies
>name a German-born general that's never set foot in Italy as my successor
>appoint my horse as consul
Thank me later.
>>336100304
Wasn't the 4th Crusade caused by Byzantines/Greeks not paying debts?
rome total war of course
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-kl9I7POTrs
>there was more time between the building of the pyramids and Rome than there was between Rome and now
>>336100441
Don't forget to improve civilian morale by holding lottery events in the streets by tossing tickersand venomous snakesout into the cheering and pleading crowds below your balcony.
>tfw no Caesar V
non solum iratus subvertentis
>>336100441
FUCKING CALIGULA REEEEEEE
Always relevant
>>336100850
>>336100330
Thanks, God be with ye.
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>>336101050
FUCK OFF THE TOTALLY ROMAN AND NOT GERMAN KAISER IS CROWNED BY POPE REEEEEEEEEEEEEE
>>336101050
Fuck off Voltaire, we're not talking about the """Holy""" """""""Roman""""""" """"""""""""""""""""Empire""""""""""""""""""""
>>336100850
>>336101050
>Hating on the true successors of Rome
>>336101413
>true successors of Rome
>a bunch of Germans living in parts that were literally never owned by Rome
>weren't holy, in fact contributed heavily to Protestant heresy and massive war in Europe
>weren't Roman, for reasons previously stated
>weren't an empire, because you can't call a loosely organized group of whining duchies an empire, especially since they entirely failed to colonize anything when empires started really becoming hip and cool
>>336101619
/his/ memes are the fucking best
>>336101619
my sides
>>336101567
Byzaboo pls
I want to get into European history all the way from the start. Where to begin?
>>336101803
Fucking Finns
>>336101805
Roman Republic, there really isn't much older than that that has any relevance today
Maybe Alexander the Great or Egypt if you wanted to get even older
Then study the "Dark Ages" and Charlemagne
>>336099448
Even the good Emperors who reconquered large parts of the Empire got assassinated within a few years of coming to power.
>>336102239
Corruption is a hell of a drug
>>336102239
The Dark Ages are cool as fuck
>>336102239
What games allow me to try and hold onto a struggling province of the Roman empire during its fall, and take my place to establish a new kingdom amidst the ashes of the old?
>>336102625
Dark Ages are so cool
>>336102741
Literally Total War: Attila
I know that turkey today is nothing but shitskins.
But was it shitskins when it was the eastern roman empire? It blows my mind that that entire region used to be Christian now it's 99.8% Muslim
>>336102741
Maybe some RTW1&2 or ATW mods, province is pretty specific, why not try and hang on to the whole Empire?
>>336102919
No, it was pre-Turkic greeks mixed with romans for the most part
Turks came into the picture when the Ottomans invaded and took all that shit over
Why are history related memes the most patrician and greatest of all memes ever made.
>>336103038
So what happened to all the white people in turkey?
Who lived there BEFORE the ERE?
>>336102741
Lots of games, Anon. You have several Total War games already mentioned (plus Barbarian Invasion if you like hardmode).
If not that you also have Crusader Kings II (I think some of the DLC deals with Rome shit)
>>336103060
Because History is cyclical
http://www.pompeiana.org/Resources/Ancient/Graffiti%20from%20Pompeii.htm
>>336103150
Greeks and the people the Greeks conquered in the Seleucid empire
So greeks and persians
>>336103230
so wait...final question I promise
where did the fucking turks come from? I mean what is the homeland of the people who invaded the ERE?
>>336103360
The steppes of central Asia or something
>>336103360
The Turks were a combination of the people that were pushed out of Anatolia when Alexander invaded and the people from client states of the Persian empire, mixed with some steppe people from Asia.
They became largely muslim after the rise of Islam and slowly began invading the ERE in 1071, culminating with them finishing the last of the ERE off in 1453 at Constantinople
>there are people who don't like history
I don't understand, history is so fucking interesting
>>336103196
>>336101805
>>336102017
>'Dark Ages'
This Book is a great read. Thoroughly researched and pretty much shows that just Europe got colossaly retarded after the WRE fell. The retardation luckily lasted only until charlemagne.
>>336098893
Too easy
It's more a game with Romans in it than about Rome
>>336104054
I'll have to check that out, thanks senpai
>>336103196
>tfw ancient Romans were the original shitposters
>>336103360
Complicated.
The Turks were from central asia, roughly the same sort of region as the Mongols. But Turks from Turkey, modern Turks, aren't very Turkic at all. Their heritage is thoroughly watered down as the Turks conquered and raped pretty much everything straight from China to Austria, leading to them being very mixed.
No matter where we go, it's amazing. We go to Segesta. We go to Capua. We go all over. We went to, the other night, Ariminum, packed. Every place, Patavium, packed. Every place we go to, it's like this. It's amazing. And just great, great plebs.
I'll tell you what, they're going to vote for Consul Trump. That's why they're comin in, because they're so fed up with the system, this corrupt, horrible system. They're fed up with it and they're fed up with these barbarians back there, the papyrus writers. They are the WORST.
I love you. I do. I love you. I love every...you know what? The rooms, no matter where, whether it's big amphithetares or local steam rooms, it's amazing, and there's love in the room. And I told you the other night, a really good friend of mine who I would love to have negotiating for us against Parthia, Claudius Icahnicus, that's what we need, not these optimate hacks that we have.
I remember when the barbarians were moving into Gaul from the east, I told our senate, you gotta go in there and knock em out. Take the gold and knock em out, otherwise Germany or the Iberians will get it. I love Iberia, I love Germany, but their leaders are too smart for us. We have no border. We will build a wall, a wall along the rhine. And Germany will pay for the wall.
And oh boy, the legions, I love the legions. All my wounded centurions and cohorts of legionaries. I love em. Pompey has been neglecting them, and from now on we're not gonna let them be mistreated. I'm going to re-build the legions, stronger and better than before, so that we don't have to use them. The barabarians will fear us, they won't mess with us. We're gonna build a wall, we're gonna have a border. We're gonna negotiate SMART deals with Parthia, we're not gonna get screwed by them anymore. We'll have a wall, and people are going to come into our country, but they are going to come in LEGALLY. LEGALLY.
>muh legionsI liked Rome 2.
Am completely dogshit at total war games, like I can't beat the AI on easy without heavy losses
>favorite total war is shougun 2 because japan is small so I only have to worry about conquering one guy at a time
>make the mistake of buying Rome 2
>start a campaign
>literally 3 continents full off bullshit
>do many other nations on screen that the AI turns take like 2 minutes
fuck
FUCK
>You will never be an Auxiliary.
>>336100126
At one point in the 390s-400s the two parts of the empire were close to all out war because Stilicho desperately wanted control over the East so fomented a crisis in Dalmatia and dropped an army in ERE territory in Greece and Dalmatia, ostensibly to attack Alaric's Visigothic horde.
>>336102741
The Winter King mod for CK2. You can play as Syagrius and defend northern Gaul against the Franks, Visigoths etc.
why did the western roman empire fall?
which army defeated them?
>>336101803
Still waiting on them to remake their Empire again.
>>336105628
>why did the western roman empire fall?
Reasons, see >>336099730
>which army defeated them?
Several. Goths, Huns, and Vandals get most of the credit though.
WHY DOES NO ONE TALK ABOUT THIS GAME
IT WAS GREAT
FUCK YOU IT'S A GOOD GAME. PLAY THIS GAME. EMULATE THIS GAME. LIKE THIS GAME.
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>>336102741
Total War Attila
Also in EU4, Byzantines starts with two provinces in the middle of very hostile turks, mamluks and greedy venetians. Also Last patch made it possible to reform into the "real" Roman Empire without importing it from Crusader Kings 2.
>>336105961
Is it even possible to save Rome in Attila? From what I've heard the AI basically cheats and sends doomstack after doomstack until you lose
>>336105628
>why did the western roman empire fall?
Civil war and the elite distancing itself from the state.
>which army defeated them?
No army defeated them. The army destroyed itself and withered away to nothing, then under a Germanic warlord called Odoacer the army deposed the final Roman emperor in 476 by attacking the palace in Ravenna. The 5th century Roman army didn't lose too many battles, it evaporated as the taxes that paid for it vanished as land was given to barbarian laeti and foederati, or fell fallow due to non-use or was left in the hands of pissed of bagaudae rebels or senators who gave up on Rome and its taxes and demands on the rich and closed themself off from the government.
>>336105825
>Goths
The Goths didn't defeat the western army. Hilariously they were probably some of the closest things the WRE had to allies especially under kings like Theodoric, they retook Spain from the Vandals and Alans and helped Aetius at the Catalaunian Plains.
>Huns
Huns got rekt and never posed much of an existential threat to the WRE since they were outside it, unlike the more dangerous settled tribes.
>Vandals
They didn't destroy any armies since North Africa had virtually no garrisons that fought against them, with them fading away as soon as wages stopped getting to them. They're probably the party most responsible for contributing to the WRE's destruction individually since Africa was exceptionally rich and urbanised and paid for the army.
>>336100126
For a while they had many coups and thus the ERE didn't recognize the legitimacy of the ones in charge of the WRE, resulting in them refusing to lend assistance.
>>336106116
Didn't the Italians welcome Theoderic as king for deposing Odoacer or am I thinking of someone else?
>>336106116
Okay then who sacked Rome in 410 and 455? And 546?
Oh right.
>>336105628
It's the fate of Empires. They were in decline for ages and almost collapsed during the 200s century but recovered somewhat and trundled on until the late 400s. They weren't beaten in a single war but many over many years.It even ceased being independent at times with Emperors being puppets of Germanic warlords.
Population disparity matters a lot here as well, huge parts of the late Roman armies weren't of Roman origin, instead being recruited from the provinces and being of dubious loyalty to Rome. The barbarian hordes that chipped away at the Empire over the centuries won partly from very long attrition.
>>336105923
>mfw making people slip on banana peels
10/10 GOTYAY
>>336106289
>Didn't the Italians welcome Theoderic as king for deposing Odoacer or am I thinking of someone else?
Different one. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theoderic_the_Great Germanic names are annoying.
>Okay then who sacked Rome in 410 and 455? And 546?
>410
The Visigoths. If you've read any of the primary sources you'll know that the entire thing was a debacle but had absolutely no impact on the empire besides causing a soul searching exercise among Christians. Alaric didn't want to sack Rome, he was holding a gun to Honorius' balls but the dumb fuck emperor sat in Ravenna useless and weak, Alaric just wanted rank and privilege for himself and his people e.g. land and magister militum title. When talks finallly began some retarded Roman officer attacked the two sides at the negotiating table, causing Alaric to sack a city which by 410 had absolutely no importance whatsoever. It wasn't even the capital anymore.
>455
The Vandals. Rome was even more marginal by then.
>546
The Ostrogoths i'm assuming. The WRE had fallen by then.
>>336102017
>what is Greece
If you really want to understand the origins of Rome you have to study Greek democracy, philosophy, mythology etc.
>>336106882
Literally perfect
Pah Rome is only a fantasy ripoff of WH40k
>>336099448
>massive corruption
>emperors were just puppets
>the army wasn't loyal to the state
>the rich refusing to give up people to be conspricted
>unwillingness to intergrate the goths
>infighting caused by the early church
>climate changes causing food shortages
>conflict between East and West
>tfw Stilicho, Aetius and Majorian will never restore Rome
>>336100776
At least it wasn't that retard Commodus. Marcus should have just smothered him while he was a child.
>managing to destory an entire empire
>>336098893
>>336108000
>made Aetius' assassination
Holy shit, what the fuck man
Also nice trips
>>336106298
>implying Rome was worth shit at the time
>>336108589
Yeah it had stopped being worth 200 years earlier at the very least.
>>336101803
>>336100330
Jordanes also recounted how Priscus had described Attila the Hun, the Emperor of the Huns from 434-453, as: "Short of stature, with a broad chest and a large head; his eyes were small, his beard thin and sprinkled with grey; and he had a flat nose and tanned skin, showing evidence of his origin."
>>336108894
>>336100032
if we're being honest?
you can't. at that point Western Rome was in its death throes, a sick man protesting ineffectually as the carrion birds pick at his flesh.
Majorian was the last light of the WRE, whe he was assassinated the fate of Rome was sealed.
>>336109451
In 395 you definitely could have saved the west. It was 410 that its fate became sealed. It was at that point that Britain left the empire, Constantine III rebelled against the emperor in Rome and marched his army against Honorius leaving a massive horde of barbarians to wander through Gaul and Spain, before the Vandal section eventually crossed into Africa. If Constantine III hadn't risen up, Honorius had died or Stilicho hadn't been assassinated it is very likely that the 406 Rhine crossing might have been repelled and nothing ever happened.
It is a meme that empires are fundamentally doomed to die. The Roman Empire was a hyperpower, its death was only certain the moment it became impossible to dislodge the organised barbarian groups within the frontiers.
>All these historyfags here on /v/I fucking love you guys
>>336100032
Abandon the frontier territories, focus on rebuilding at home.
Restructure the political and military system; use a strictly hereditary inheritance system, and strip power from the generals. Reorganize the army and use a mix of incentives and strict punishment to rebuild esprit de corps and loyalty to Rome.
>>336109667
It's impossible for an 8 year old to have resisted the machinations of politics to prevent Stilicho's execution, and Stilicho's ability to curb the barbarian incursions and local revolts was the only thing keeping the WRE intact.
>>336098893
RomeIIwas shit
>>336109667
nobody was saying that empires were fundamentally doomed to die
that anon was saying that by then, the WRE had fallen so far and was in such dire straits that there was nothing that could be done to stop it's destruction. at that point in time, the WRE was doomed to fall.
>>336110198
The thing is Constantius was legitimately fucking good. If he hadn't died so early he might even in the early 420s salvaged the whole thing. It was the power vacuum after his death that led to constant civil wars between Felix, Aetius, Bonifacius etc. which also led to the Vandals being invited into Africa tipping things over into "oh God what the shit" territory. I've always thought Stilicho and Aetius (though both great) are slightly overrated due to the whole last of the Romans meme. After Stilicho shit certainly did go downhill, but I wouldn't see he was the only thing. He wasted so much time and effort engaging in political machinations with the East that if he had remained any longer his reputation among modern readers might have become very different.
>>336110279
Well I didn't mean he explicitly said it, but there's always an undercurrent in discussions like this, especially by people who like to parallel the modern day to antiquity. It's pretty cliche for historians to comment on the parallels between modern empires and the Roman Empire before going on smugly about the inevitability of an empire falling, as if (even if divided) Rome wasn't virtually the undisputed power of its day.
>>336110538
>I've always thought Stilicho and Aetius (though both great) are slightly overrated due to the whole last of the Romans meme
going off on a tangent here but Stilicho deserves to be called the Last of the Romans because he was pretty steadfast and loyal all things considering. considering the political climate of Rome (just in general) having somebody like Stilicho around was one of the best things Honorius could have wished for.
>>336111071
carthago delenda est
CARTHAGO DELENDA EST
REEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
>>336110748
>he was pretty steadfast and loyal all things considering. considering the political climate of Rome (just in general) having somebody like Stilicho around was one of the best things Honorius could have wished for.
His existence was definitely a boon for Honorius, since the guy was completely useless in every single way and Stilicho was a pretty competent general. His issue was that he had a one track mind, obsessed with getting control over the east and it seriously compromised his ability to get shit done. Stilicho even let the Visigoths survive when he had the opportunity to wipe them out as a danger to Rome forever, for the express purpose of using them to fight the East. By the standards of the day it was nothing special, sure, but stuff like that is pretty damning to a man heralded as the saviour of the empire. He was only loyal to Honorius because the guy was so piss weak and having a man like that on the throne meant that he could pretty much have free reign to do what he want. A shame that engendered so much hatred and resentment, but shit, that was 5th century Rome for you.
Rome is fucking autistic
> first roman empire got BTFO
>I have no fucking clue what the dealio is with the second one but they got BTFO as well
>>336112338
>Romans hatred the gauls
>gauls became German and started the holy roman empire
explain this shit
>>336101413
>true successors of Rome
>Holy Roman Empire
>neither Holy nor Roman
kek every time
>>336099732
Nice
>>336112481
>holy roman empire didn't include Rome
l m a o
>>336102741
Damn that map is scary, look at how huge the barbarian lands look. They should have built a wall like the Great Wall of China
>>336105232
>can't beat AI on easy without heavy losses
What do you do in battles? Do you just line everything up in a straight line and send them towards a single enemy unit?
>>336112748
name a better strategy
>>336113094
Not him but sending all your units at a SINGLE enemy unit is indeed a bad idea, as it causes your army to turn into a disorganized clump that can be surrounded and shit on.
It's better to have them stay as a straight line, as long as it can go without stretching it too thin, and move them forward in that fashion, using skirmishers and cavalry to bait the AI into charging your lines. Then use units at the edges of the formation to punch through and attack their flanks collapse their line.
>>336113094
Surround them using cavalry and using an infantry formation as b8
