>pvp is mostly R1 spam
>invader is most of the time at a disadvantage because he has to fight the host + x phantoms
>the host has twice as many estus
>the host can just resummon a phantom if one of them died
>the host can turn monsters against you
>when you kill the host it doesn't really bother him because there are shortcuts everywhere
So, when are they going to fix invasions?
>>336064329
Not only that but linking is based on soul level AND weapon level so you can't even level the playing field with a griefer build.
>>336065140
That wouldn't be so bad, if it wasn't for the seeds and you got at least solid monster backup.
>>336064329
>poise doesn't work whatsoever
That's pretty much the reason why R1 spamming works so well atm.
>>336064329
Don't invade. Seriously, the game is hard enough as it is
>>336065917
What? Most of the levels are a joke. They could just let you fight the boss straight away.
>>336065140
You have to be actually good to grief now, which is a good thing
>>336065917
>the game is hard enough as it is
>bonfires every 50 meters
>can summon players from almost everywhere
>upgrade materials are given out like candy
>best weapon in the game (longsword) is given to you at the beginning
>only three challenging bosses, the rest are gimmicks
>people play agains eatch other in a game primarily made to be a single player game
>instead of playing a fucking fighting game
I like Souls PvP too but really i will never get this
So the obscuring ring pretty much make invading 8 times better doesn't it?
why don't you just git fucking gud and stop crying
How many times can you swing a heavy weapon in a row? Just had an invasion where this guy swung 6+ times in a row.
>>336064329
It's hilarious that invaders got to do whatever they want in the past and if the host complains it's just git gud scrub, and now that the host has some advantages, you fuckers do nothing but bitch about it. Enjoy your sour grapes, you sore losers.
>>336064329
>R1 meme
git gud
>a bunch of shit that hasn't changed from the previous iterations
never?
>>336066757
>git gud retard poster
>kills one person while hes afk
>thinks he did something special.
go back to the steam forums, you nigger.
>>336066757
>they are fucking shit
>why don't you get good
It's literally impossible to have a win rate above 50% if you aren't fighting absolute idiots.
>random wins without a winrate of 80%
Wow, it's fucking nothing.
>>336066778
How do you not know how stamina works? It's something that can be upgraded.
Invading is exactly the same as its always been except there's less consequence to the person being killed by the invader.
There are some shitty things in PVP though but it's not even worth complaining about them if you're not shit.
1. Straight swords are OP as fuck.
2. Poise not working makes rapiers also OP as fuck.
3. Strength 2H builds are completely OP as fuck.
That's all really. Adding in poise and making long swords do a fuck ton less damage would fix pvp for the most part, most people don't use str weapons.
>>336064329
All of those were problems except host turning things against you in DaS I and II.
Invading has never been easy (except twinking in 1).
If someone is ACTUALLY "R1 spamming", learn how to fucking parry
If you can't parry an R1 spammer they're either not spamming R1 or you're a braindead fuckshit, it literally sets itself up on the third hit since you break out of the hitstun combo after the second swing
>>336067070
Well no shit but that's a little less then how many times I can r1 with a curved sword.
>use obscuring ring
>learn how to parry
>bring a Greatbow
There now your invasions are fun. Seed+multiple phantoms is gay tho just black crystal out in that case.
Alternatively use a magic build and one-shot phantoms with CSS while they can't even see you.
>>336067218
>Invading has never been easy
Words of a shitter. It's always been easy to maintain at minimum an 80% win ratio for me and I'm not even one to abuse mechanics. I've never fished for backstabs, I've literally never parried, I've never used poise equipment, and I don't even use cheesy rings.
When the host has 2 phantoms or more you literally can only hope they are braindead.
>>336067218
Seed was in DaS2 it was just way less common because the tree that gives it to you was a little more out of the way
>>336067391
Am I not understanding you correctly? It seems like the invader had a huge stamina bar, nothing more. It shouldn't be hard to figure that out.
Fuck that, they need to fix the hacking problem first. I ran into six of them today.
>>336067543
Does it not look for people similar level as you? I have 30 end at level 78 I doubt he could have that much more
>5 players in the host's world
>Invaders and host team are in a standoff
>gesturing, buffing etc
>I'm wearing Slumbering Dragoncrest and Obscuring ring because Thief build
>Take a long route around to get behind the host
>Just as he buffs his weapon, I backstab him with hornet ring and dagger.
>All hell breaks loose really really quickly
>Host team dies
Best fucking feeling. Obscuring ring makes honest to god stealth situations possible and enjoyable in multiplayer
As well as all of these problems I do really wish they'd give some incentive for killing phantoms.
You get forked blue tongues if you kill a blue phantom as a finger (whatever the fuck you wanna call it) so I don't see why sunbros and regular white phantoms don't give you a reward as well, otherwise there's not really any point killing them aside from making it easier to get the host. Other covenants would get their respective items for this as well of course.
>>336067682
Git hakd m8
Why are there so many pussy-ass bitch invaders who go back to their own world when they're losing?
>>336067481
>never used poise equipment
doesnt matter. that shit doesn't work.
>It's an 'invader got butthurt and memed on' episode
>>336067771
I wish I could have seen it play out from somebody else's perspective. I don't think anybody saw me coming, I was outside lock-on range of the invaders and the host team was oblivious.
>>336067218
>Invading has never been easy
Spotted the shitter.
>>336067481
I bet using your separation crystal when you invaded a host with a team of phantoms wasn't factored in to that 80% win rate.
>>336046951
>adding poise would fixpvp
poise was such a shit mechanic that they tried it one time and never did it again. it was complete cancer. why are you poise memers just now talking about it when it's been gone for 2 games?
>>336068197
Poise was in DaS2 to it was just more convoluted than in 1. It had an actual purpose and was good for allowing heavy weapons users to trade with light weapons
In DaS3 all the code is there for poise it's just turned off. And yes DaS1 poise was stupid but there has to be an inbetween of taking hits all day and getting interrupted by a throwing knife.
>>336066650
So I never got it until today and sure enough, it's the tits. It's the best really. Shit is like metal gear.
>Invading road of sacrifices marsh
>I see host and gold summon off in the distance killing mobs
>They're heading towards the BK so my jimmies start a'rustlin
>B/c of my sweet new ring, they can't see I'm 20ft behind them when they step thru the door
>Roleplay as Spy from TF2 with a backstab out of nowhere on the host while the gold is getting killed by the BK
>"Host of Embers faggot defeated"
>I'm part of the club now :^)
>>336067901
I was including the other games.
>>336068047
I only use that when the host is hiding and I can't find them. I regularly win 3v1s because I'm not a retard.
>>336068197
Stacking it is gay but there should be some system in place to stop weapons like the rapier staggering massive weapons. It's just not balanced the way it is, it's unfair that shitters can beat other shitters who are trying certain builds by simply spamming R1. There's absolutely no skill involved.
>>336066579
>game has multiplayer functionality
>why are people playing multiplayer???
Are you braindead?
>>336064329
>>pvp is mostly R1 spam
What the fuck were you expecting? Seriously, what were you expecting when the game is literally roll/roll/hit/roll/regen stamina?
>>336068664
>this one faggot that wins against a scrub and thinks he's good and actually posts a webm of his bullshit
kekerino
>>336068664
This is why you use undead hunter charms.
They're stupidly useful but for some reason I seldom see anyone actually using them.
>>336068664
>I was including the other games.
Ah, okay.
>>336068795
I didn't win against him, that weapon is very powerful and the webm is demonstrating how gimped my weapon of coice is. Why are you acting like a spastic child?
>>336068024
did you just reply to your own post?
>>336068928
Be closer to the guy and your ranged hits him before he heals himself.
It's rocket science, so you probably wouldn't have ever figured that one out.
>>336068964
>I'm a retard
Yes I fucking did. I was adding a thought. This is obvious. Are you new here?
>>336068880
I like pvp without gimmicks. I did use those for a bit but they aren't necessary, it's easy enough to school bads and I have enough estus to keep up with good hosts.
>>336069014
The weapon is shit.
>invade as aldrich faithful
>almost never outnumbered
>if i do get outnumbered, host and phantom(s) are almost always shit
>getting seeded makes running through the archers hella fun
invading is fine git gud
>>336066951
>AFK
>Drinking an Estus flask
UMMMMMMMMMMM HELLO? xD
>>336069145
>lock-on turd can't aim
>IT'S THE WEAPONS FAULT
>>336069240
>Why are you acting like a spastic child?
>>336064329
GIT
U
D
>Almost all covenants only have Faith based or Mage based rewards
Fuck you From
>>336067868
I don't invade that often but when I want to fight someone 1v1 I do it by putting out my red sign. There is nothing worse than a faggot host healing after he has summoned you. Nigger don't summon me if you're gonna chug your 15+10 estus.
That's the only time I use the black crystal. Fuck greatmemeshield users as well, broken fucking shit.
>>336069019
>noone replies to your blog
>post your own response
>get called out on faggotry and sperg out
Do you realize how gay you sound?
>>336069301
Why are you so shit and post webms of you being shit?
>>336069383
You're a pussy ass bitch.
>m-muh R1 spam
>h-he's ATTACKING! what a shitter!
If someone is spamming on your ass, block or take the first two hits on the chin and immediately parry, you will always parry the third hit no matter what. Get fucking good
>>336068880
The same reason people didnt use Lloyd's Talismans in DS1 and 2 and then cried and cried when people healed.
They are fucking morons.
>>336069516
The problem lies in laggy netcode and no poise meaning you will always stagger and get rekt if you're hit once
>>336067868
why are there so many pussy-ass hosts that run away to summon additional phantoms when they die
>>336065441
No, R1 spamming works so well because of the generous stamina this game has.
You can R1 your entire stamina bar away, and you'll have a generous amount of it back before somebody even thinks of punishing you for it. Also rolls use very little stamina now for some reason.
It's also the reason why fighting 3v1 is so unfair and frustrating. The R1 whirlwind never ends, and there's never an opening. Try to do anything and you get fucked because all three opponents are always ready to R1 spam no matter what they're doing. It's not even the only problem that the stamina system dumps on multiplayer, but it's definitely the largest.
>>336064329
>It's another PURE SOULSPERIENCE MAKE INVASIONS GREAT AGAIN thread
>Use red soapstone or fuck off
>used to invade
>get all the advantages
>hide behind countless numbers of enemies
>now that it's shifted in favor of the person who never wanted to get invaded in the first place, there's nothing but bitching and complaining
>>336069639
You can only get stunned twice in a row. After that you can roll away or parry.
No one dies in two hits unless they have base VIT and the clutch rings or the meme rolling ring. If you get a successful riposte you more than likely did far more damage than you just took.
>>336069464
How am I a pussy for not wanting to deal with unfair faggotry fights? I bet you're a faggot who heals mid duel because you know the other guy will win unless you heal.
I also bet you're thinking you're so cool and lol so random xD when you kill someone with your broken +5 havel's greatshield.
If you're gonna chug and be a faggot I'll peace out so you won't get your lol epic xD moment.
Here's your (you) faggot.
>>336069639
Dark Souls has always been built around chains of two hits that stagger you. If you get hit once, you can't roll from a second hit, but can roll from the third. Always combos of two. So if you take the first two hits, then parry, you'll always land it if they are spamming.
>>336069857
stick to your fight club hugboxes
>Try to be clever with well timed r2s and parries
>goes alright but they keep rolling away and drinking estus
>get fed up and r1 them to death
>>336069802
>all the advantages
>enemies
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>>336069394
But nothing I did was masquerading as a real reply. I merely added a thought. Pretty sure I used words like "Me" and "I"
You're a special kind of autist.
>>336069954
Stick to your ebin meta game trolling xD videos and forever be a shitter.
How are you even supposed to invade in this game?
>>336069383
>>336069857
mfw I do everything to win when i'm invaded and invaders cry about git gud
if you can't punish me during that immense estus drink frame then you didn't deserve shit and need to git gud.
>>336069802
The host gets more health, more estus and personal bodyguard phantoms which they can summon more of. If you seriously consider all of these advantages smaller than the invader being near some NPC enemies (which you can turn against invaders anyway) then you are just bad.
This HAS to be bait.
>>336070261
click the red eye orb or join a covenant that auto invades for you
>>336066982
This.
In older games, being a dick and using dickbag tactics was an option, and if you were good, you could also fight 3v1 and win.
This time around the game completely shits on actually trying to fight superior numbers. Everything in the game actively discourages it for no reason. If you want to anyways it basically comes to clapping your hands together and wishing for the current gank squad to be dumb as rocks. If they're not, then your skill isn't going to carry you through.
Also
>Invaders are meanies, so it's okay to throw balance out the window
>>336069802
It's sad, really.
>>336069962
>Environment
>Stupidity from being over confident.
>>336070085
Being this offended over someone calling you out for being a gaylord and using such /v/-core buzzwords makes for a very desperate attempt to fit in. No one responded to your blog, and freaking out this much over the slightest bit of interaction is a clear indicator why you're alone on a saturday night.
While you're typing up your next nerd response, I'll be having sex in the other room.
>>336067193
Nah, invaders are more likely to find a host who already has summons, thus you get ganked almost all the time now
>>336069556
Jesus Christ this.
>item is in the game to prevent something you dislike
>bitch instead of using it
>>336070437
This bait is so pathetic and rancid.
0/10. Apply yourself.
>>336070589
anti-estus was nerfed too
the aoe is lower and the throw range is pathetic
>>336070376
You're just a garbage player. It's not any harder than it ever has been to win.
>>336070540
This isn't true, the vast majority of my invasions are 1v1.
>>336069763
try spacing and using something other than a straight sword.
>>336069220
Invading in that area is different from everywhere else and is actually fun, but does have its own problems.
>Invade
>It's a fight club
>Again
Remember when fight clubs had the decency to stick to areas where the rest of the world could ignore them?
>>336070589
Someone posted a webm, shame I didn't save it.
A guy parries another guy, then throws a Talisman. The other guy manages to heal despite being under the effect of the Talisman
>>336070738
What area/SL are you?
>>336070426
>having a spell attuned that you can't use
what are you doing you fucking nublet
>>336069763
>because of the generous stamina this game has.
Try using something bigger than a fucking straight sword or rapier and tell me the stamina is generous.
These niggers can spam R1 like 10 times in a row with 20END and I'm not allowed 3 consecutive swings and a roll with a greataxe.
Gay ass shit.
>>336070763
i invade at level 70 so theres very rarely any of that fight club faggotry
>>336070791
well fuck nigga its broken
>>336067193
damn son, the pvp looks exactly like dragon ball/naruto, moving behind you opponent back, then he moves to your back, then you move and repeat.
>>336070763
Especially considering you're still able to summon red phantoms after killing the boss. They should really fuck off out of the pontiff area and find somewhere else.
>>336067193
>1. Straight swords are OP as fuck.
Ah fuck, I was hoping I was on to something with anri's straight sword.Luck build is still alot of fun
>>336070261
Be as big a scummy scum asshole as possible. Invaders no longer have any advantages so you need to take what you can get.
>Implying the mobs that are useful to an invader can't be counted on one hand
>>336066757
>>336067193
I seriously have no clue how everyone is dealing so much damage, I can't seem to take off more than a sliver of health from people I invade/who invade me.
I'm generally a U/GS user.
>>336070871
I think around 70 and I've invaded every area.
>>336064329
>Previous souls games invaders had the advantage
>Everyone hated it
>get told to "gid gud"
>Now the invader is at a disadvantage and they hate it
Git gud
>>336070313
>Undead hunter's charm lasts for about 15 seconds
>host circles around or just run away until enough time has passed
>limited to only 5 charms
>slow as fuck and easy to read throw
>if you attack host mid heal it takes less than half of what he healed
>host has double the amount of estus you do
>host has more health
>host can have butt-buddies covering up for him while he heals
>host can use seed and get enemies to attack you (can be usefull for invader, but in most cases not)
>host has havel's greatshield or any other greatshield +5 and is literally un-killable unless he fucks up somehow.
Sure, you can heal if you get invaded but if you heal while having a red summon 1v1 duel you're nothing but a massive faggot.
>git good meme
The game is much more in the favour of the host than the invader, if you think you're good because you went up 3v1 and owned the red phantom you're pathetic and should kill yourself.
>>336064329
I just started invading in this game and I dont think its that difficult.
>>336070890
the tradeoff is that you can probably kill someone in 3 swings, especially if you get a counter.
Only way to win ganks now is to one shot each one with a hornet ring parry or guard break
>>336070940
Yup. The effect is delayed
>>336071205
>he doesn't roll around with the carthus ring at sub 30 load with an UGS
>>336070912
I also invade there at 70 and 50% of invasions are either a fight club, or somebody trying to set one up.
>Get there before anybody else
>Kick the hosts shit in while the rest of them watch
Bonus points if they missed me using an estus, but gang up on the host when he uses one.
>>336070886
You don't know that the Sunlight straight sword and Deep protection buff stack if you cast it in a specific order? Pop the priestress ring on, cast your buffs and swap to another.
>>336071292
>below 30 with ugs
how much vitality does that take?
>>336070589
>snail-pace slow to throw
>AoE isn't big enough
>doesn't last nearly long enough
>by the time you're finally hitting them again as they run, the HC has worn off and they can heal again
Wowee.
>>336071009
>Invaders no longer have any advantages
You have the only advantage you need and that's the psychological advantage. You can still fight with mobs which has about a 70% chance to turn the tide of the battle if you're pinned against 3 people.
>>336071364
astora greatsword only weighs like 7.5 or something, i think i have barely above starting vit right now.
>>336071292
>get hit once
>wooooooooooooooow where did all my health go
>>336071070
Don't forget
>Hit host with an estus
>He just runs away for its piddly duration. Good luck catching up to him.
>>336071360
I did not actually.
Boy do I now look the fool.
>>336071105
>the tradeoff is that you can probably kill someone in 3 swings
As opposed to the 4 it takes for a buffed Dark Sword with 600AR to kill me while swinging 3x in the space it takes my greataxe to swing.
Only they can spam their shit for 20 years with the most dogshit phantom range thanks to the chinks making cross-region limiting only apply to themselves and dumping the rest of the planet into one big shitpile of BR's, Yanks, Aussies and Russians altogether.
Most broken pile of shit I've ever played desu. Maybe it's actually tolerable when you're a Yank fighting other Yanks, but when we're forced to play against you with 300ms ping faggots from hlf way across the world swinging that fucking phantom range piece of shit around you can't even parry the broken piece of shit weapons.
>>336070589
The main problem is that most people don't know how to damage an enemy that's actively fleeing from you. Estus flasks are only a symptom of that.
I remember a 2v1 against an invader that did nothing but dodgeroll and we couldn't do shit. I was able to hit him with firebombs with some minor prediction, but that was it. It feels like there's only very specific weapons or techniques that can hit someone constantly rolling and if you don't have or know what they are you're fucked.
Literally just get good and stop being a pussy.
I finally have the internet to invade people and I have won 4 out of 5 times.
>>336071465
you can still take 3-4 UGS hits wearing paper armor at 1k health + ember, and the only time you should ever get hit is if you're trading, and you'll do more damage.
>>336071569
hyper armor through the first swing and you get 2 hits to their 1, then do it again. if they aren't chugging you just won.
Fix magic first.
>>336071715
>4 out of 5 times.
Wow, come back after 300+ invasions.
>>336064329
That's how it should be. Invasions are about griefing people, of course you should deserve it. What do you want, a magical button to easily annoy people?
Also you forgot the invader is always optimized for pvp and the host not always
>>336071348
weird, are you on PC or PS4? im on PC and i seriously almost never get fight clubs, maybe 1 or 2 a day at most
>>336071771
You're so fucking pathetic and shit at the game, just kill yourself.
How fares your invasions? Aldrich's Faithful is pretty active, I'm liking it.
>>336064329
Of course the host has advantages dumbass, there needs to be some deterrent fucking nigger moron
>>336071831
>talking about balance after 5 fights
Kek.
>>336071431
>turn the tide of the battle
Nah.
>Attack a gank while they're fighting a mob
>Target rolls away because auto two hit combo break
>Other two are already R1ing in your face because the mob died instantly
>Combo break doesn't count for you because multiple people are hitting you
The best that comes of taking advantage of mobs is forcing a sippy out of somebody, and it's usually at great risk to yourself unless the gank squad is critically retarded.
>>336071875
what level?
>>336071771
I will when I actually get the time to physically do that many. All it is is hitting people and rolling out of their range again.
>>336071634
Just time a running R1 attack right before they hit the ground again. They don't have iframes during that.
>>336071875
What SL? I'm at 92 on my current char and I'm already out of range for everything except Rosaria and MM (which I've maxed out) at the Archives.
Did the latest patch fix the Darkmoon covenant? Do you actually get summoned now without having to wait forever?
>>336071943
>>336071964
SL 45, max upgraded weapon is +5
>>336071936
>getthing hit like a retard
>not hitting them until they die
Shitter.
>>336071978
i think it's supposed to be active on xbone and ps4 but not pc yet
>>336071875
I want that darkmoon blade but I will never get it because no one is in Way of the blue and the summoning seems to be fucked. SL 130 and never been summoned by darkmoonblade or blue sentinels.
Fuck farming those knights for hours, they better make the drop chance higher or fix the fucking covenant.
>>336071978
No, even 55-80 and after lingering in the areas for quite a while, I was never summoned. I did see a few blues while grinding tongues though.
>>336064329
>I'm an invader why can't I win everytime?
DaS1 people complained about invaders being little shits
DaS2 people complained about invaders being little shits, but not as much as DaS1
DaS3 invaders complain because they aren't playing easy mode
>>336072010
couldn't you go to like lvl 60 for aldrich?
>invade someone
>actually no summons for a change
>host is called Ludwig with Pharis' hunter hat and a crossbow in the off-hand
>wave, drop him a Moonlight Greatsword and crystal out
>>336072069
You can always farm the silver knights. It'll be tedious as fuck though.
>>336071431
people forget this shit all the time.
i'll admit i rarely invade, but i've seen a few successful invaders fall back into packs of mobs to separate themselves from the fight. Most times at least one phantom is dumb enough to ignore either mobs or the invader and gets wrecked.
Problem seems to be most of the invaders i've dropped have been in a huge rush and don't think strategically. Nobody wants to play the long game. I'll admit seeds are a huge advantage, but fuck me i got screwed by invaders so many times in ds1 i don't even give a shit.
>>336072194
>DaS3 invaders complain because they aren't playing easy mode
It's funny because DS3 is the easiest game in the entire series, you can literally walk through every level because there are no real tough parts and invaders can get fucked by your personal army. Also shortcuts everywhere.
What the fuck do you do with the tongues anyway?
The only problem that bothers me in the slightest is the host's ability to keep resummoning. It's horseshit that I can wipe all 3 of their phantoms and they can just fuck off and roll away forever to get all 3 of them back.
all they have to do is:
- give invaders a bit more estus charges
- all friendly summon signs are extinguished when an invader is present
>>336072223
>Ahh, you were at my side all along
>>336072321__________________________________________________________________________________git gud
>>336072308
Give them to Rosaria to A) Rank up the covenant B) Respec your stats C) change your character's appearance
Just don't make the mistake invading shrek's swamp, that guy means serious business getting people of his swamp
>>336071728
DaS3 heavy weapons suffer from a worse version of a problem that those kinds of weapons suffered in earlier games
>Fight somebody with a great sword
>Slide up to them but don't attack
>Roll through their attacks
>Force them to burn all their stamina either attacking or rolling by staying attached to their side
>Slap them twice with my weapon when they're unable to use their hyper armour or i-frames
>Repeat until ded
Big heavy weapons are VERY easily bullied in DaS3.
>>336072216
Possibly though I'm not sure if I should. I'm pretty comfortable at that level, most of my invasions tend to be clusterfuck of phantoms fighting each other.
>>336072291
The main thing to winning is taking your time. It doubles as griefing too because you're clearly wasting the time of everyone involved.
If you play it safe and understand how the game works, you will almost always win as an invader.
>>336072330
Both of those would make it less fun you casual fag.
>>336072321
>invade some magic guy
>kill his phantom
>let him run away
>he summons another phantom
>kill that guy too
>he runs away again
>sit down to wait for the next phantom
>kill him too
I was having fun anyway.
>>336072398
Do you get any cool shit?
>>336072398
Can you change your character's name as well? It'd be weird to become a girl and have a manly name.
>>336072417
hahaha epic, dude
What's the best Talisman or Chime for Miracles?
>>336072321
Become a DEX fag and abuse the washing pole/estoc.
>>336071270
>>336070940
Same with soldering iron.
The estus block options are completely broken.
DaS1/2
>What!? They're summoning help!? Oh no, I better run into the mobs so that I can backstab them while the enemies are aggroed! Haha git gud fags
DaS3
>What!? They're summoning help!? FUCK THIS GAME IS BULLSHIT I HATE IT FROM PLEASE MAKE INVASIONS EASIER NOW IT'S TOO UNFAIR
>>336072420
>mfw butchers knife is fast as fuck and lets me heal
>>336065917
I invade to freak people like you out. Whether or not you die in the process is irrelevant. I'm invading to make you anxious, to waste your resources, or your time. I am NOT invading to make the game harder. Just to raise your heartbeat a little.
How to deal good damage as invader?
>>336072321
The fucking I-frames in this game are out of this world.
You haven't seen bullshit until you've fought a player with thorns armour, carthus blood ring, and as much stamina as he can carry. Blood ring makes it LITERALLY impossible to hit somebody if they spam rolls.
Well OP if you saw that guy's stream today you'll be safe in knowing there are multiple ways to kill people without actually having to git gud you fucking shitter
>>336072751
brother
My biggest problem is the lag. Sometimes it's manageable, but most invasions are almost impossible.
>>336072648
For lightning it's the Cleric's Sacred Chime (starting gear, drops off hollows before Iundex Gundyr). For dark miracles it's Caitha's Chime.
>>336072702
People with either of those trains of thought would fucking kill themselves
>>336072702
DaS1/2
>What!? They're summoning help!? I can take them!
DaS3
>What!? They're summoning help!? I can't take them.
>>336064329
The way it is now only good players win invasions and that's how it should be
I have no issues winning considering I have 250-300 invasion rewards across all of my characters from winning
>>336072656
>Become a DEX fag
Never.
>abuse the washing pole/estoc.
NEVER.
I'll whoop ass with my drang hammers and mace till the day I die.
>>336072968
What? Are you someone that summons phantoms for help? What's wrong with invaders running from a 3v1? You're a fag.
>>336072892
git gud internet
>>336064329
USE
THIS
>>336073030
Fair enough, I caved in because I wanted to spank gank squads. I'm weak.
>invade at Archives
>run to bonfire
>host has two phantoms
>turn around to retreat
>blue phantom is summoned
>get killed in a flurry of Estoc- and straightsword-spam
>hosts spams gestures as his butt-buddies clear the level for him
>>336073035
>he has to hide behind enemies so they can do his dirty work
git gud
>>336073109
Are you too retarded to understand the difference between pvp and invasions?
https://youtu.be/-PLwODrNNuQ
For a level 20 invasion build what weapon would you guys use? Right now I use an uchi and estoc +2 and switch depending on the situation.
Was thinking of going to a STR build and using the exile greatsword though because the other 2 weapons do jackshit for damage and suck against more than 1 person.
Anybody here a glaive user?
Have a quality build at the moment, mainly use Claymore and Sunlight Straight Sword. I'm considering the Black Knight Glaive. Any useful recommendations?
>>336073038
Can't get much better than this in Australia.
Fucking NBN when?!
>the feeling when you parry-riposte the host to death because he got cocky and rushed in
>his 2-3 phantom buddies try to attack you as his HP drains to 0
>>336072751
>waste resources
sorry can't even do that anymore since they give you back etsus for killing an invader
>>336072760
Use the right weapons with the right stat investment. Get ready to minmax if you're not using flavour weapons.
>Tfw using Dragonslayer Spear on a 40/40 quality build
>Am a direct counter to straight sword R1 spam faggotry
>Using the leo ring causes the ever-so-easy to land counter hits to do over half of peoples hp
>Weapon art will instagib people if it lands fully and has small end lag
Having your favorite weapon be great in every game it's in feels good. Just like the Estoc was.RIP
>>336073243
>winning against a turd
>GUYS, IT'S BALANCED :)
>people think running into mobs will do anything as an invader
jesus christ the mitsubishi dicksuckers are retarded
>>336073283
glaive is fucking great, i'm using a raw glaive with points in faith to get that lightning weapon going
twohanded r2 + r1 + r1 tends to combo really well, and the weapon art is nice for getting crowds off you
>>336073276
I use a +2 four pronged plow on my low level invader.
>>336073345
The Leo Ring is associated with Ornstein for a reason. Motherfucker must have plastered people all day. That combo is godly.
>>336073389
It does though. Not everyone has those giant seeds and the host will eventually get antsy enough to run into them. I personally don't when I get invaded and stay right where I was but it never fails when I invade that the host goes to search for me. Everyone has their breaking point whether it's 5 minutes or 30 minutes.
>>336073345
Should I be focusing on finishing the game first? There seem to be a lot of useful gear that I haven't seen yet.
If I use Rosaria's stat reset, could I lower my level in case I overlevel?
>Archdragon Peak
>host pops Tree of Giants Seed
>proceed to pull the entire level to the host
>laugh as he gets overwhelmed and killed
>>336073283
Black Knight Glaive is a god tier weapon, because in a world where you can only land two hits with any weapon, the Glaive can guaranteed combo into its heaviest hitting attacks out of its R1.
>>336073283
Deprived 4 lyfe here.
Knight ring and going for dual tearstone at 38 VIG and cloranthy.
poise doesnt work
>>336073604
>host pops giant seed, and is waiting in the underground water reserve in the aldrichs faithful area
>lure the two crocodile dogs to his party of phantoms
>host tries to escape via ladder, knock him off with a bow
>they all get raped by the giant crocodile dogs
I honestly don't know why they didn't kill the dogs in the first place.
>>336073457
How does that do? I never tried any of the spears in this game
>>336073753
poise is unnecessary
>>336073768
>waiting down there after using a white tree branch for hours on end and seeing all the invaders come down and look around only to go back up or leave
Funniest damn thing.
>>336072420
then don't attack until they decide to start attacking you. when you use the carthus ring you're literally invincible until you want to attack, and since you're using a great weapon you outrange pretty much everything but spears.
>>336073543
Yes, I totally want to waste half an hour sitting in mobs that will die instantly to phantoms anyway, that sounds like very fun and engaging PVP
not to mention that half the time all the mobs are dead anyway
>>336073791
Pretty annoying for the opposing party, I apply a bleed buff to mine for maximum annoyingness.
>>336072321
As a mound maker the phantoms are legit targets anyways.
Aside from Blue Sentinels and Darkmoons being broken there really should be a covenant that is designed to hunt down phantoms.
>>336072069
>>336074170
Don't forget that Watchdogs of Farron are also busted.
>>336066757
>killing a retard that had all the time in the world to dodge
>telling anyone to git gud
Pick one.
>Tfw teaching shitters not to summon by putting my summon sign down by the Abyss Watchers.
>If they try to use me to gank invaders I don't help at all and do my best to block doorways.
>If they try to get me to carry them through Watchers then I do the Toast emote beside the first friendly add and kill it when it spawns.
Git gud.
>>336074286
It's almost an instant summon, if you aren't too high.
>>336073431
>>336073625
Thanks anons! Will keep this in mind as I go forward with trying the Black Knight Glaive.
>>336073730
I think you might've replied to me by mistake, but still, that's one neat looking deprived vagrant.
>>336074349
you're probably a shitter too, so you're in good company.
>>336074376
I don't know, anon, it just didn't work even when I was low level.
The autosummon ones are fucked for some people.
>>336071759
This
We need more variety in PvP
>>336067771
that shit only works if the host is literally braindead in which case you should be winning anyway
>>336074376
I had watchdogs on from the moment I got to the covenant at level 20 or 30 something and never got summoned once
>>336071759
Pyromancy is good and better anyways
>>336074615
Magic needs better scaling at lower int.
Right now you either go all in or not at all. Also, buffs are way too fucking short.
>>336071759
i use magic to bait people into using rolling attacks on me
>>336066383
>>336065441
I hate b8ters, dumb motherfuckers with no idea as to what the fuck their talking about.
>Waaaahh DS PvP is only good in 2!!!!!!
Ganks happen but for the most part the MP was handled pretty nicely, y'all are just bitchers who never seem content.
>we'll never get another version of the gravelords covenant
>we'll never be able to make papa nito proud again
>>336074519
That's a lot of hostility.
Are you okay?
GET GOOD YOU BUNCH OF FUCKING PVP INVADING SCRUBS
I am perfectly satisfied with the current way invasions work.
t. Invader
I just don't get why there's so many people clearing an entire area with 2 phantoms, AND that there's people who are willing to be summoned to help someone else clear an entire area for a paltry amount of souls
Don't make no sense to me
>>336075223
maybe they have fun doing it
>>336073753
>people are okay with this
>invade
>buttfuck the host, but can never land the final blow cuz my stamina is a shit due to bad spec
>runs into the room with wolnir's cup
>he throws a knife at me
>I silently rage then fuck off
>he messages me "git gud scrub"
>mfw
>>336075334
ya well
they're wrong
>tfw I've been invading and gank spanking people
>tfw when I make them chase me and I make them run into annoying enemies
>I make then run back to the bonfire with their tail between their legs after I kill his phantoms
Also can anyone tell me whats the sudden hate towards the Dark Sword? it seems it came out of nowhere. That's all I've been using and I love it.
>hacked in pvp bullshit in a game already full of bullshit
lol, modern gaming
>>336075223
Good way to learn the area before you go through it yourself.
Kind of ruins the exploration though. I usually put down a summon sign if I'm having trouble with a boss. Pontiff Sulyvahn is a perfect example of why I do that, because if a fellow phantom hadn't taught me that he was parriable, I would still be fighting him to this day.
>>336075442
From what I've seen, it seems to have a larger than advertised reach, and also it has a pretty dank moveset
> tryhard edgy faggots can't be tryhard edgy faggots.
> implying this is a bad thing.
Dark Souls 3 got something right, huh?
>>336075442
People that are incapable of parrying complain about the users that tend to only press R1 with it. Granted it is pretty hard parrying on shitty connections, but its usually guaranteed after the first two strikes.
>>336075223
Red Eye orb invaders should be countering precisely this type of lazy play. Any invader that whines that they can't get easy kills with enemy mobs and ambushes is just a shitter.
>>336075442
Everyone is using it
Got a reputation for trivializing the game(Even though it's not even the best straight sword) and easy to get.
Moveset is okay but loses hard to something like the Estoc
Perhaps you should git gud. R1 spam is easy to parry and if you aren't using the enviroment, you're a shit invader.
>see host wearing fallen knight armor
>already know that ive won
is the fallen knight set the designated shitter uniform?
>>336074861
I doesn't matter how much damage you do when the spells all suck
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pne7EBlPFqw
How did we go from this variety of spells that let you do tons of mixups to the bland ass magic in DaS3?
I think the glaive is pretty good
how wrong am i
>>336075778
thats a pretty dress
>>336075442
B/B scaling and brainless R1 spamming. Tends to attract the worst type of sword faggots.
>>336075810
You aren't wrong at all. I've been using it too, spanking ganksquads with it.
My honest advice to you is to make a pyromancer if you seriously want to invade. You get the same damage from melee weapons as everyone else and you have spells to punish people. As soon as they step back for the sip you just drop a chaos bed on them and its done.
>>336075810
it's p gud anon
>>336075442
Does retardedly high damage for what it is. Has a good moveset. Uses no stamina. Makes the game into gerber baby easy mode.
>>336075778
>59 fps
>not 60
Time to build a new computer
>>336071042
Do you have no STR, or do you not have the minimum values to use the GS effectively?
>>336075982
Neat, how are you doing so? share me your tips
>>336076027
what infusion should I use for it?
>>336075810
Same moveset as Lucerne (which is my weapon) and it is great how frequently I can catch 2-4 guys in spin sweep.
>Put sign down for duel
>Fight
>Host backs up and sips
>Black stone out
Who else?
