Who /mischief/ heya?
>Get summoned into an unlucky player's world
>Start goofing off and running around like a madman
>Aggro all of the enemies in the surrounding area
>Lead them over to the helpless summoner as he's standing there in shock
>Watch the poor bastard get chased by a gank-squad of samurai/ninja/oni
>Somehow successfully manages to run to a shrine
>It's locked due to the on-going multiplayer
>Mfw he gets instantly REKT as they catch up to him
>Prostate over his corpse as it tragically withers away
It would be literally impossible for you to complete your mission if I don't choose to play nice. Even the multiplayer in this game is going to be broken if they don't fix it somehow in the final version.
>>336026137
10/10 top kek. Where were you when Nioh fags were BTFO?
Hey cool, thanks bud. I'll add it to my survey.
>>336027458
Better hope our paths don't cross m8 :^)
What's the problem? They just die and start again, losing barely anything.
>tfw you want Kingdom Hearts, Nier, and Nioh on PC
I have a PS4 but it roars so fucking loud when I play it and because of that I can't stand playing it.
>>336028047
There have been numerous instances where the players were unable to regain their amrita due to my shenanigans.
>>336028324
Losing maybe 2 - 3000? That's a minor inconvenience, It's incredibly easy to get that much again.
>>336028528
Might have been a 1000... but may have been 10000. There's no way to tell is there?
>>336026137
WHOA that's an EPIC troll OP 10/10 hahaha
>>336028528
Anon, you're going to ruin OP's epic trollz
Fucking hell I need to increase my weight and ki
>>336028695
If it was 10000, they wouldn't have kept it for very long even without anyone's help. That's boss or cyclops level amarita.
How did you manage to move the enemy aggro from you to the host? Surely some of them were still after you.
Do I dislike because it's not as good, or because it's a different skillset than Dark Souls and I'm not as good at it.
>>336028884
Not OP but it doesn't take very long until you need around 10000 to level up to the next. Obviously this is going to require some serious farming again.
>>336029346
By that point in time you should be able to handle multiple enemies.
>>336029037
You just have to move past the host. They ALWAYS prioritize him and switch over.
>>336029426
3 dudes... maybe even 4. But 9 gooks with an Oni? Not a chance. No matter how much you've leveled up.
>>336029715
If you say so.
>>336026137
this reads like a neckbeard copypasta oh my god
>>336029715
Cute
>>336028160
Is Sony funding it or something? Any reason why it's exclusive? Is there a chance it will be ported to PC later like many koei games?
With the framerate mode or whatever enabled it looks like a PS3 game and still runs at like 40 fps. I like the game though.
>>336026137
Noice... gonna try this out next time for the laughs if you don't mind. I've just about had it with carrying shit hosts that don't even know how to block. This might actually catch on since there's still a few more days left till the alpha demo period ends.
Co op is fun as fuck when it works which is rarely.
>try to help with boss
>boss teleports
Cant do shit sensei.
I fixed it. You are welcome.
The mid-poke from the katana seems way too fucking good. AI and overall enemy design needs a lot of work 2bh. Also the super animal mode or whatever its called is OP as well. Nue went down in one try after I realized how to use it. I'm excited for this game but I'm afraid its going to be a mess balance-wise.
Not a SINGLE person in this thread has any counter to this loophole. Guess the shitposters were right when they said this game was fundamentally broken. Quite unfortunate that Team Ninja tried to recreate the Souls formula but failed utterly.
How do I get summoned?
>Summon a Revenant
>Suddenly getting wrecked, try to run
>"Wait, he's not chasing me?"
>Drink an elixir without being interrupted
Revenants aren't players?
>>336030673
There is no loophole, it's epik trolling that ends up being an incredibly minor inconvenience. Might want to just give up OP
>>336030626
I don't get the Character Select bit.
I've heard people talking like Williams isn't the only playable character in the game.
Where are you guys taking this from
>>336030626
Wishful thinking at best. Doesn't change the fact that this "alpha" demo wasn't play-tested before being released in a rush. That's not a good sign familium.
>>336030869
of course not, they're NPC forms of the players. The loading screen explains that when players die the summon sign appears where they died for other players. You think the game just forces them to be summoned for a fight?
>>336030869
NPCs based on Dead Players.
>>336030869
They're AI that use other players equipment. They only seem to walk slowly towards you, never run.
>>336030626
"Return Guardian Spirit" and "Ready Jutsu" already took up the 2 empty slots
>>336030997
>>336031030
>>336031056
Well that makes them less threatening.
Fuck the spear dudes though.
>>336030930
Just from how he's seen on the mission select screen. Also it's a koei game. I'm sure we'll learn more about the game, including if there are multiple characters, at e3 or something.
>>336030887
Tell that to the shitter that got killed mere inches away from his amrita.
Pretty sure the full game won't be worth buying. Demo was neat at least.
>>336031117
When you die Guardian Spirit changes to Return Guardian Spirit. It doesnt take a different slot.
>>336031226
why not my man
>>336031218
I'm sure he's gone and earned that back 5 times over since your ebin trolls.
I haven't been paying attention to this game AT ALL
should I?
How do you check of the Mark of the Conqueror is actually on your fucking account why is PSN store such a garbage UI
>>336031117
Return Guardian Spirit is in the same slot as Change Guardian Spirit. You're right about Ready Jutsu though.
>dying 50+ times to the first oni
God i have missed being shit a videogames
>>336031368
Considering the 'skill' of most of the player base at this point... I'm not so optimistic as you senpatchi.
>>336031389
If you have any kind of interest in Souls-eque gameplay, yes. It's absolutely fantastic in my opinion and it went from barely being on my radar to being one of my most anticipated games after playing the demo. Get the demo and decide for yourself, before May 5th when they shut down the demo.
>>336030930
Their ass. It's /v/ after all. Most think it's a reasonable assumption because of the Dark Souls Create A Character, Previous games like Ninja Gaiden featuring multiple characters, and the fact that PVP would look silly with William vs William.
1.) Just because it's in Souls doesn't mean it, or anything like it has to be in Nioh.
2.) This isn't Ninja Gaiden
3.) There is no confirmed pvp, and Player Character William vs Summoned Spirit William is fine and doesn't hurt immersion
But we won't know anything really until (hopefully) E3 or Team Ninja decides to spill some beans.
>>336031610
Apparently you're correct>>336031569
>>336031389
Don't listen to the shills. It's a poor man's Dark Souls at best.
>Oh man this game is so hard! Prepare to die amirite lolololol
>Game is actually just highly gear based and the full release is probably going to be easy as fuck
Oh well.
>>336031389
Do you like third person action games? Do you like Dark Souls or Onimusha? Do you like fairly challenging games?
It's only available for another 5 or so days and then it goes offline, so if you want to try it you really should now, it's looking to be a great game if the demo is indicative of anything.
>>336031640
This is pretty much how I felt, I remember it appearing at E3 but I didn't really care at the time, but after seeing some demo footage my PS4 finally stopped collecting dust for a few days so I could play it, now it's the only game in 2016 I'm excited for really.
>>336031790
What specific things in the Alpha made you feel like it was a poor mans Dark Souls?
>>336031389
Or do listen to the 'shills'. After all, it's free and less than 4 gigs.
>>336031790
>shills
Why isnt this wordfiltered already? It's never used in anything other than shitposting and "stop liking what I don't like". Believe it or not, but people can be excited for games without being paid stealth marketers.
Am I missing something? Parrying doesn't seem to be worth the risk when you can just roll to maneuver yourself behind someone, which I assume is all parrying accomplishes.
>>336032016
Team Ninja blatantly ripped off countless mechanics from the souls series. Without giving much thought towards why they work in the first place. OP is a pretty good example of how the fundamental flaws in the demo begin to unravel once you poke at it hard enough.
So i just noticed the map is called "Kyushu Region"
I wonder if we will travel through other regions like Kanto, Tohoku or Hokkaido and whatnot.
I think it would be very fun if the ending game is set on the fronzen lands of Hokkaido.
Reminds me of Okami and the Northern Lands.
>>336032016
>Rides upon artificial meme difficulty to hide its unbalanced gameplay
>Fairly challenging
Hope they're paying you well enough for writing this nonsensical crap.
>>336032429
Takes a good chunk of the enemy Ki Bar and delivers like 1k of damage.
>>336032343
>Believe it or not, but people can be excited for games without being paid stealth marketers.
only if it's a game i like
if it's a game i dont like or for a system i dont own, then they are shills
>game gives you the option to make it 1080p@30fps or 720p@60
>game doesn't lock itself to 30FPS if you make it run 1080p
>just jumps up and down between 25 and and 40
Fucking why
>>336032702
What's artificial about it?
>>336032702
With the amount of shitposting like yours that is on this board, I'd be more inclined to believe other companies pay you to shitpost rather than shills.
>>336026137
When is the alpha over? I haven't had a ton of time to play lately
>>336032916
may 6 i believe
>>336032016
If the demo is truly indicative of anything, it's going to be nothing more than a derivative piece of trash with none of the depth to back up its cliched setting.
>>336032717
Parrying does? Maybe I was using the wrong one. I think I was doing the square one. It didn't seem to do any damage, just put me behind them.
>>336033069
While I agree about it being derivative mechanics-wise, the combat has depth. It's a middle ground between Souls baby tier combat and Ninja Gaiden.
>>336032961
Oh it's longer then I thought. I'm in Germany for a business trip and my ps4 is back in America.
>>336032445
>countless mechanics
So countless that you didn't name a single one that was done poorly, note I'm not even disagreeing with you, I just want to know what you thought was bad.
>OP is a pretty good example of how the fundamental flaws in the demo begin to unravel once you poke at it hard enough.
Griefing shitters should always be an option but fair enough.
>>336032702
>artificial difficulty meme
Anything that requires you to not charge in like a dipshit is artificial?
>>336033156
Hit attack afterwards, if you time it right you do a backslash, if you time it wrong you'll just go into a normal attack animation.
>>336032445
>buzzwords
Epic
>>336032445
>Without giving much thought towards why they work in the first place
Nah nigga they built on it. This Souls meets Gaiden and it's fucking awesome. Plenty of room to git gud and destroy the game once you are, which is the mark of a good single player game.
>Parry
>Quickly press R1+Triangle
>Press Triangle as soon as parry animation nears completion
Is this how to parry effectively? I'm having difficulty with the first Oni, and I just can't seem to beat him. He does way too much damage to me, even with decent armor. I can't seem to parry him at all, either.
Whoa, cool just when I wasn't already getting super fucking tired of souls-style games!!! I should go and preorder this for my PS4ggot!!
>>336033069
The demo itself has more depth to its gameplay than a Souls game does. The full game will have even more depth when we get spells and abilities for the last 2 tiers as well and possibly more weapon types. Soulsfags are just on suicide watch because DaS3 was lukewarm and uninspired and Team Ninja is showing Miyazaki how it's supposed to be done.
I hope they change the loot system. It's pretty trash. Probably my least favorite thing. Also pay money to repair your shit at a shrine or something similar.
>>336032429
You're completely on point there. There doesn't seem to be any analysis or prediction of your opponent's moves involved here like in the Soulsborne series. It's based on luck more so than exact timing. One of the many sad instances where Nioh outs itself as a pretender trying to cash-in on the popularity wave of souls-like games. Without presenting us with any original ideas or concepts worth a salt.
Fuck Onryoki
>Two parrys in the game
>Both of them do shit damage
>Neither of them work on Oni
Its like the missed the entire point of having a parry option
>>336033815
I suck dick at both the bosses. Even Nue "Hit me in the face and I get stunned" Da Bitch.
>>336033486
Psfourggot
>>336033741
How did you manage to type so much without saying anything of substance, how the fuck is the game based on luck when people can consistently parry, dodge, roll, counter, find the openings in enemy attacks etc?
>>336032445
You say ripped off because somehow you think you own some portion of From Software's work. That is that absolute nucleus of your issue with Nioh, and unfortunately it causes you to miss out on a great game. However it's no one's fault but your own.
Team Ninja didn't rip off anything. If this game were made 30 years from now after from stopped or killed off Dark Souls withe rehashed products you'd be sucking Nioh's dick. It would be labelled as a homage, which is exactly what it is.
This is not a product made poorly for the sake of money. This is a high quality game born out of a fascination with From Software's work, and in a lot of ways it's superior.
You can cry ripoff all you want but it's just wrong, especially considering the shoulders FS games stand on to reach the pinnacle their at today. Games have iterated within series, within genres, within the medium since before the first generation of consoles. This is nothing new and neither game invalidates or makes the other redundant.
Look at Tetris and Doctor Mario, Street Fighter and King of Fighters, Resident Evil and Silent Hill, Dragon Quest and Final Fantasy and stop being such a White Knight for From Software. They don't need you to rescue them.
>>336033476
See this ma mayn>>336033741
There is no 'getting gud' here. Get it?
Dark Souls invented video games.
>>336034126
Not the guy you are replying to but he never said any of that. His point was that there are a lot of mechanics in the game taken from Dark Souls for the sake being similar to Dark Souls but the designers don't really understand why the mechanics were in place to begin with.
Your argument consists of
>YOU'RE JUST A FANBOY ITS ACTUALLY GOOD
>>336033476
You cannot parry Onis only humans. Maybe in the final version you can but not now.
>That feeling of elation when you unlock a shortcut because there's not a bonfire every 10ft like DS3.
>>336034491
Basically what you're saying is you can't function without 7 years in tibet worth of time to react to shit.
>>336033913
At-least you were able to figure out the inherent uselessness of this system on your own senpai.
>>336034647
>His point was that there are a lot of mechanics in the game taken from Dark Souls for the sake being similar to Dark Souls but the designers don't really understand why the mechanics were in place to begin with.
He didn't name a single game mechanic or design decision that worked in Dark Souls that didn't work in Nioh, he just said "they exist" without pointing out any. He also pointed to the OP as an example but I can remember very easily griefing in Dark Souls when summoned so that's a moot point.
>This thread
Every time a new souls clone comes out, we go through this again. You all compare it to dark souls, then you say its better then you don't even talk about it three weeks after release.
>>336034647
No. This is his argument.
>They ripped off the mechanics and implemented poorly!
>What mechanics and how did they implement poorly?
>No response
>>336034890
There has been a total of 2 souls clones since Demon's Souls. This is the third one and it is the most different of the 3.
>>336034890
Lords of the Fallen was actually garbage though.
Kinda sad the game worn be coming to PC.
I wish i didn't have to chose between 60 fps or non ass Resolution.
On PC you can have the full experience.
Iv played the game in Action mode and the frame rate even dips in it.
>>336035127
PC is shit for games.
>>336035127
stop your platform wars shit
>>336034864
That's saying something. Judging by this thread alone some weebs aren't able to perceive the game as the garbage that it is. They're actually hoping that it's going to be the holy grail of action games or the almighty "souls killer". I would feel sorry for them if they were able to handle some form of criticism without resorting to 'git gud'.
The demo was great. If you think otherwise you're wrong. I'm glad we had this chat and I hope you take care now.
>>336035034
Nioh, LotF, what's the other?
>>336035314
>>336035323
>Wanting to play the game in the best possible way is platform wars.
Press attack immediately after you parry to follow up.
>>336035441
Lords of the Fallen, Salt and Sanctuary and now Nioh. Lords of The Fallen was a legitimately bad game and Salt copied souls to the point you can use boss souls to make new weapons and had the exact same endings.
>>336034126
>Tfw you're not a delusional weaboo
>Feelsgoodman
>tfw it's impossible to like both Souls and Nioh
>>336035596
The only downside of playing on pc is playing with other pc players imo.
Look at what those hacking shitstains are doing to DS3.
>>336035669
Damn I was doing that completely wrong and just slashing their back. Thanks nig.
>>336035669
My parries only do 500 damage
This is bullshit
>>336035684
salt and sanctuary isnt a souls clone
it's just a cheap 2d cash in on all the souls memesters
terrible art, it's obvious the devs didnt give a shit about making a good game
>>336035684
After not knowing what Salt and Sanctuary is and watching a video, you fags are fucking stretching to say there's too many Souls clones coming out if you include some 2D platformer.
I finally learned some patience (and that kick is fucking amazing) and I beat the first boss, and I'm currently breezing through the second stage. This game is pretty fucking awesome.
>>336036060
Second stage was kinda lame.
>>336034126
Answer me this. Do you honestly believe that Nioh would be the same game that it is right now if the Soulsborne series hadn't come into existence? It owes its intrinsic core to From Software's influential work. There's simply no denying that.
>>336035737
People would hack on PS4 if thy could.
This is not The fault of the platform but the developer having bad cheat protection.
>>336036431
Console players generally have more honor.
>>336036195
Would Soulsborne exist without Onimusha, Castlevania, Legend of Zelda or countless other games?
Back to Catarina, white knight.
>>336036195
This is such a retarded circular argument that ends with the very first videogame. Souls wouldn't exist without Onimusha and so on.
Nioh was announced in 2005 too, it likely would have been more akin to Onimusha + Ninja Gaiden that Souls but to say that Nioh downright copied Souls is pointless.
>>336036195
I think the core of a game is the mechanics, eg the combat. The combat isn't really anything like souls.
I get what you're saying though, but the only one of those things souls invented as far as I know is bloodstains.
Their ui and gestures and shit were lifted from games like monster hunter that are a huge hit in japan. Even the whole commit to every attack thing was a big part of MH.
>>336036431
I don't care. I care that I have to deal with it when I play on my pc and not when I play on my console.
No one on my ps4 copy of DS3 can hit me with a dagger that gives me souls causing me to be softbanned.
>>336034126
I love my Japanese action games/rpgs as much as the next guy. However, fascination with someone's work is one thing but merely changing the overall aesthetics whilst rehashing the exact same mechanics is total BS and you know it. This is Lords of the Fallen all over again.
>>336036195
It wouldn't. Earliest concepts had it as more of an Onimusha style game. But I also wouldnt accuse this game of copying anything
>>336036751
>merely changing the overall aesthetics
Find me a gameplay video of Nioh in 2005 (the original announcement) so we can compare and see exactly what they changed
>All the conquered in this thread
>>336036751
What mechanics?
>>336026137
>>It's locked due to the on-going multiplayer
Story is a lie, thats not how it works.
You can use a Shrine in multiplayer, it resets the enemies and teleports all the co-opers to you.
>>336036751
In a game like this combat is king. The combat is great.
So, any particular reason why this is trying to be Dark Souls? Because if it fucking stopped doing that, it would be great. I'm very put off by the copy/paste mechanics such as losing your points only to retrieve them back at where you died, and the whole co-op thing.
Even the fact that they copy/pasted Dark Souls 3's weight system, where you can't dash (dodge) at full speed if your equip load is beyond 70%. Like, what the fuck.
I thought this was going to be a faster Onimusha, not a Souls clone. And the fact that some enemies can one or two shot you is their way of pandering to the "SO HARDCORE SOULS GAME" people? I'm disappointed.
There is no reason for it to have equip load limits.
There is no reason for it to have a level up system just like the Souls games.
There is no reason for it to have a lot of the mechanics it has. It's a fucking bummer to know they're just trying to modify the systems that are in the Souls games.
>>336036751
>but merely changing the overall aesthetics whilst rehashing the exact same mechanics
There are a few things like getting having to get your 'souls' back when you die and being able to see where other players died but it's not the exact same at all, the combat is quite different.
>summon random revenant in the first area
>has a purple sword
>kill it
>get Raikiri
Guess I don't have to kill Nue now.
Having a fuck-huge axe or spear on my back drives me fucking crazy. Looks terrible.
>>336034126
Name ONE thing that Nioh does superior to the souls series. Buffing up the enemy attack damage while nerfing your own for incorporating some of that "LOL SO HARD GIT GUD XD" meme difficulty doesn't count.
>>336036987
Pretty much this. It would be a pretty cool game if you could switch between weapons and stances on the fly.
But nope, you only put points into mid sword so thats all you should really be using
>>336037238
The co op. Everyone gets their own loot and you are rewarded even if you die.
>>336036195
So what?
Are you saying coping good games to make good games is bad?
Souls is not exactly a MMO or a competitive MP game.
It can exist alongside of DS and be popular.
Unless you are some kind of artist who only plays DS.
And usually racks up 500 hours in the game.
At wich point Nioh might be even a better game for you because its actually harder than DS.
>>336036987
Before it became the current version it was deemed to similar to Ninja Gaiden so they revamped it and I guess that's why it has stuff like a Souls like level up system, equip loads etc.
>>336037267
>>336036987
If the game came how you wanted you would be bitching is a Ninja Gaiden clone.
>>336037238
Name one reason it matters
the game is either good or it isn't, the comparisons to Dark Souls are pointless honestly
>>336036751
What are GENRE's but a collection of DESIGN TRADITIONS? Nioh is not in the FRAMEWORK that comes from the souls series. It's in the COMBAT, CONTROLS and PLAYER FEEDBACK.
That's what makes a game. Not it's HUD, or it's Menu or it's Underlining Structure.
>>336036471
You forgot to tip the fedora.
>>336034874
If a summon tries to mess up your game in Soulsborne... you can easily send him/her back to their world.
>>336037436
>Capitalizing random words in your post
God you're annoying
>>336037238
Combat. Deepers mechanics more varied movesets than souls.
>>336037238
Ask yourself why I can see every character's stamina bar in Nioh, but you can't in DSIII? What you find out if you could see the Lothric Knights stamina bar?
who else here /midstancekatana/ master race?
I also really like the Diablo loot system. Actually gives replay value and incentive to fight bosses again.
>>336037509
True but at the risk of incurring the wrath of MS paint comics, this is an Alpha, they might have something to prevent griefing in the full game.
>>336037238
Switching stances instantly, Ki pulsing to maintain stamina, more varied movesets and being able to see your opponent's stamina gives the combat more depth.
>>336037540
Not random words, breadcrumbs to lead you to clarity since you can't think for yourself.
>>336037701
>Go all in on midstance
>Keep waiting for my parrys to start putting out damage
>Could still do the equivelent of parry damage in a single light attack string
G-guard breaking peope is f-fun I guess.
Alright my friends list your Guardian Spirit, Favorite Weapon Type, Stance, Magic and Ninjutsu.
> Daiba Washi
> Spear, High Stance
> Kekkai Talisman
> Shuriken
How do I do that one move with the Katana where I go blade to blade if the guy is blocking and slam them to the ground? The tooltip gives no explanation.
>>336037678
To be fair being able to see the stamina bar is the emulation of a warriors ability to tall how tired or winded his opponent is.
Using subtle body language.
Although to be fair you should not be able to see stamina bars of non human opponents the first time you figth the.
The ability should unlock after you kill a few.
Also if the game has Undead or spirits they should not have stamina bars.
>>336034901
>Parrying
>Loot
>Stamina
>Multiplayer
>Weapon Degradation
Just off the top of my head. Sure there may be other cases. Especially when the game launches.
>>336038142
Agree about the undead. The game has zombies but nothing happens if you take out their stamina bars. Onis and Bosses can be be staggered and you can perform finishers on humans. But you cant do anything about the same. They still have hype armor with or without it.
>>336030039
NEVER EVER YOU FUCKING PKEKS
>>336037540
>mad cause he has no counter argument
>>336038018
>ISUNADE
>Katana, Mid Stance for bullying banditshaven't messed with axes/spears too much yet
>Kekkai go fuck yourself demons Talisman
>haven't used these yet
>>336038305
I know you are baiting but be more subtle.
>>336035421
>I'M RIGHT YOU'RE WRONG
Nioh fags everyone.
>>336038305
>Dark Souls invented all of that
Jesus Christ when did the souls fanbase get so retarded?
>>336038305
There is literally not a remote possibility this isn't bait.
The other thread was bettah.
>>336038305
Have you not played any games other than Souls?
>>336038536
When ds1 came out
>>336038080
It's a skill I think.
There is also a clash system if you both hit at the exact same time. Only saw that happen twice though despite a bunch of hours of coop.
>>336038536
>Jesus Christ when did the souls fanbase get so retarded?
Let me redpill you:
No matter what it turns out to be, The Mark of the Conqueror is significant.
Before I say why I need to divide the Souls community into two general groups - Conquerors and Conquered - and quickly define both.
Both have basically been around since Demon's Souls, but the very nature of the Conquered demands that the Conquerors come first. Why? Because Conquers beat the path and light the way. Afterward, like mold or a rot, the Conquered seep into the community, ever at the heels of the Conquerors.
How is that? Either by a lack of information upon release or due to a self-imposed restriction, the Conqueror goes in blind. Conquerors embrace the challenge From Software has extended with each release in their Souls/Bloodborne Series while the Conquered abhor it. While Conquerors scratched and clawed their way through levels and boss fights, the Conquered poured over FAQs, Strategy Guides, Wiki Articles, Google Search Results, Let's Plays and How to Videos.
Therefore the Conquered subsist by virtue of the illumination spread over From's games by the Conquerors, entirely dependent on it. Overtime they've let themselves forget this, fancying themselves old hands as they bring their borrowed knowledge and tactics to bear on each successive release.
And then here comes fucking Nioh, reminding the Conquered who they really are. And with little to no documentation in sight they hide behind shitposts so they can cling to that "gud" status they worked so hard to attain. Eventually they'll be back. Once the Conquerors have shown the way, that is.
And that's why The Mark of the Conqueror is significant. No matter how superficial, uselessly cosmetic or quickly outclassed it is, it stills says I'm not this nigga >>336038305
No, I'm a Conqueror.
>mfw I love the Diablo loot system
Every enemy is a pinata and I love it.
>>336039056
In the full game I really hope they turn down drops.
I, too, am I fan of Diablo-esq loot, but it's pretty silly that every enemy drops 6 items EVERY time you kill him, especially when you need to redo an area.
The 200 slots in storage will not last nearly long enough if the current number of drops remains on launch.
>>336036934
Only a new shrine works. Not one you have used previously.
>>336039030
People will call you autistic but I agree.
Proof that you did it on your own instead of when all those resources are available is a wonderful thing to have.
>>336039314
I just wish more fuckers would drop wetstone.
>>336035127
>PC gaming
No thanks.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iztSqpIb3hA
This hackers bans anyone he hits. This is online PC gaming in a nutshell. You fuckers dont deserve games.
>>336038627
>When DS1 came to PC
ftfy
>>336039387
Why do you need Whetstone drops when turning in a loot runs worth of items at a Shrine gives you 5+?
>>336039030
Imma save dis for later.
>>336039387
This I can agree with.
Offering loot can get you a bunch extra, but its hit and miss. I generally just end up at the Remedy cap.
>>336039530
I've literally only gotten elixirs and Arrows from turning stuff in at the shrine.
Also who here discovered the fact you can swipe arrows out the air with a katana?
>>336039530
You are severely overestimating that. I rarely get whetstones, let alone five of the fucks.
>>336039056
I fucking hate loot management. Especially when you're picking up a katana with 10 more damage every other enemy.
>>336039738
>You are severely overestimating that
A full inventory is a couple runs of the second level with +item drop gear
Handing in like 100 items will give you more than enough Whetstones to continue
Think they're going to change weapon and equipment degradation in the final version? I luckily always had enough whetstones and glue to fix broken equipment, but it feels like armor, specifically, degrades too fast.
>>336038305
Additions:
>Equip Load
>Level up stats
>Fucking Bloodstains
Note that these are just the mechanics that it implemented poorly. We're not counting the rip-offs in total.
>>336032916
Mark of the Conquerer item on PSN expires at the 5th, not the 6th.
>>336039938
Hopefully the full version will have a working shop so you can buy whetstones and repair/upgrade your shit.
>>336040039
How are they implemented poorly? The bloodstains here are better than in Das.
>>336040039
>>Fucking Bloodstains
I know this is all bait but this is actually one they improved on, fighting the AI of dead retards is pretty amusing, it seems like the AI fight how the players did (or they're just generated randomly) either way, they're free experience and an indicator of a games activity which is nice.
>Get the Spear Leg Sweep
>Says Half Circle with the left stick + Triangle
"Half Circle" what the fuck do they mean by half circle?
There's literally 8 ways to perform a half circle with the fucking stick, so how do you do it?
The fact that i still can't land it consistently must mean that i still haven't found out the exact way to do it
>>336040247
I like how the dev revenants have gold sparks and a glow to them. Makes me hyped to fight them whenever I see one.
I'm glad you asked.
>Parrying
Parrying has always been the ideal way of dealing with high poise and high threat enemies since Demons. Using it against fast and light enemies that could easily be stun locked was possible but never optimal as it skews the risk/reward system in favor of the enemy. In Nioh, parrys neither do high damage nor can they be used against the high pose enemies. Its literally just placed in the game to keep the Souls feel.
>Blood Stains
Blood stains existed in souls as a way of letting players know of dangers nearby and creating a sense of connectivity in the community. Blood Stains in Nioh exist just to make you fight an enemy for a chance at a cup and some gear you don't need. Its literally pointless and will probably be a cop out so they dont have to add in pvp.
>Summoning help
A big part of the Souls titles was a sense of connectivity with the player base. You see their blood stains, you see there phantoms, you can hear them ring bells and when you're just out in the world, you can see their phantoms running around going through the same shit as you. Summoning help not only reinforced this conncept. More over, you needed to be human to summon which made you eligible for invasions. Everything flowed together. In Nioh, you summon just because you could do it in Souls.
Also the ki burst system stinks and I don't like it.
>>336040397
I agree with this. It is one of the things I want removed or fixed. From my personal experience the leg sweept it is 2 3 6 9 8. For the spear AOE spin it is 4 1 2 3 6.
Its also very wonky.
Anyone figure out how to pull off the katana guard break skill?
>>336040723
You are literally complaining those mechanics dont work exactly as they do in Souls and then you call the game a clone and rip off.
Who level 1 Conqueror here?
Finished the first level, second level is going to be way harder.
>>336038080
It's a low stance skill.
You press L1 after breaking their guard or something like that, haven't tried it yet.
>>336040397
from the top clockwise
>>336040917
The problem is that they don't know why souls has the mechanics nor how they play into level design. They tack it on because SO HARDCORE LIKE SOULS
>>336040723
you are literally retarded
>>336040975
>get Mark for killing the first boss instead of for killing Nue
I DONT WANNA BE LUMPED IN WITH BABIES WHO BEAT LEVEL 1 BUT NOT LEVEL 2
>>336040723
>Also the ki burst system stinks and I don't like it.
And why is that?
>>336040723
Mate you are fucking stupid as shit. Souls did not invent parrying. Other games have parry and they work differently. Bloodstains work differently and that makes it bad?
>>336041215
What does this mean? Its not as if you can't beat Nue after grabbing the mark right? What's the difference?
>>336040247
>it seems like the AI fight how the players did (or they're just generated randomly)
They're obviously just generated. The AI "fighting like the players" sounds like PR bullshit.
>>336041239
Because he keeps forgetting he needs to do it and is too busy pretending he has any fucking idea what he's talking about regarding game design.
>>336040884
Don't you just keep swinging at them in low stance?
Where can I find the Mark of the Conqueror at after I download it? I know it's not out yet, but I'm wondering where it's at because I can't find it on my PS4, but I know I got it and downloaded it.
>>336041736
Only way to access it is by pressing square in the main menu.
>>336041736
It says on the title screen "click to go to the PSN store to unlock mark of the shitter" if you've unlocked it
>>336041062
You can't parry many high poise, big enemies in souls, I can only think of Black Knights, Silver Knights and Syan Knights before DS3.
In Nioh, parry is used as a crowd control mechanic it feels, which is a completely legitimate gameplay decision; plus we've seen what, 4 weapon wielding enemy types? Way too soon to call it out on such definitive terms.
The revenants are fine, I found them quite useful for warning me of danger. You see a bunch of swords, get close and it tells you what they died to. The whole fighting them is just a gimmick, but there's nothing wrong with optional gimmicks.
Also, fuck off, many games have coop and Nioh's is only special because you make the lobby while in-level. It only feels similar to souls coop for one of the players.
>>336041538
You can also do it in Mid Stance.
I know since the only time I managed to pull it of randomly was when fighting against a big spear guy who had really low Ki.
I just mashed at him and then it suddenly worked.
>>336040397
Actually it can be preformed with any half circle in your pic. The trick is to buffer the input: Hold Block, perform the motion, release block and quickly press triangle.
>>336040752
It's easy. Not wonky at all imo. Play more fighting games. At least try to use buffering and get comfortable with the input before you dismiss it altogether. It actually feels really good.
>>336030039
>gets ported to PC
>will run like utter dogshit like every other PC port by KT
It's a loss either way.
>final game comes out
>reward for the Mark is just some whetstones and nikawa glue
Why are there so many skills for the katana that include parrying , when one of them "neutralizes" an enemy, the other makes them expose their back and the other... does the exact same thing?
Wouldn't you always want to parry them in a way that they expose their backs? Why would you want to just knock them back instead without doing Ki or health damage?
And why do some of the parry techniques seem to be performed the exact same way? How do you perform the one you want?
>>336042391
The reward for the mark is DLC>
>>336042401
Shut up little fag.
>>336026137
>have DeS
>didn't get past the first level, thought it was shit
>play nioh
>loved it, beat both bosses twice and got the kodamas
>decided to go back to DeS
>still think it's shit
What am I doing wrong
>>336042391
What does that have to do with normies, and why does the reward matter, you got to play the game early, and actually see whether you want to buy it or not, isn't that "reward" enough?
>>336042512
>what am I doing wrong
thinking that this is a souls game
>>336042401
turtle enemies confirmed
>>336042056
I dont play fighting games so thats why I am lost. I hope they dont have more moves with commands like this.
>Perform a forward slash - ↙↓↘→↗↑↖←↙↓↘→↗↑↖←LP,HK,↙↓↘→↗↑↖←.
I cant, I cant.
>>336042512
you have the wrong kind of taste
stop turning this into a dumb war you shitface
>>336042401
Fight multiple opponents at once and all will be revealed.
>>336042401
Two-three for each stance I believe. I need points for spear and axe. Spent all on katana.
>>336042401
Unlike DaS fighting groups is really hard here. All those parries are for CC.
>>336042665
But I'm not trying to. I want to like DeS but I just can't for some reason.
I've been playing the demo today and holy shit this game kicks my ass really hard. Dark Souls sems like babby's first action RPG in comparison.
Game makes you feel like a badass. Between I noticed enemies have more health in co op. Unless that was the lag but it took forever to kill 1 oni in co op when I can do it so fast solo with the same weapon. I will try testing this.
>>336038536
What other game has weapon degradation, anon?
>>336043253
I know Bosses get more health, although when I co-oped with a friend and we fought Boat Demon we rekt him in like under 30 seconds. Dude had no chance, was getting buttfucked by our two Raika swords.
>>336043419
Every MMO. What now fag? Watchu gonna do little bitch ass nigger? huh?
>>336043419
/v/ gentlemen, I give you /v/
>>336043419
Neo /v/ in all its glory.
>>336043419
You're really asking this? Have you played a grand total of 3 or 4 video games in your life?
>>336042815
If you can't appreciate Demon's Souls you don't care for level design, and the combat isn't very complex, level design is the main draw of the series
>>336042795
Parries are kind of useless against mobs too since you can just use a spear and have an easier time mashing square
>>336044015
Spears are OP. Pls nerf.
>>336038536
Dark Souls didn't invent ANY of these things and neither did Demon's Souls.
They are just well designed games, that is all.
If there was one thing that you could say Demon's Souls invented it would be that EVERY action has some kind of effect on your stamina bar.
>>336043558
I meant single player games
>>336043574
>>336043772
>>336043789
>>336043894
>ARE YOU KIDDING ME??????
You surely proved me wrong.
I have been in these threads since the alpha released and I noticed something.
NOBODY uses hammers lol
>>336044326
Vagrant Story, a game from the year 2000.
>>336044339
Actually high stance + hammer is OP you dummy
>>336044339
A lot of people pay attention to this game because of it's setting, if i play a samurai i want to use spears or swords, not axes.
>>336044339
I actually want to make a Hammer Build.
My first playthrough I only used Katanas.
>>336035669
MY FUCKING DICK
>>336044326
The Witcher games for example.
>No.336044326
STALKER
Elder Scrolls
Muramasa
Dead Rising
Monster Hunter
Fire Emblem
Far Cry 2
Too Human
And many others. Now I will take my tasty bait and you wont have my (you) you piece of shit.
>>336044618
me too, sword and spear equipped right now. Bot no game touches the axe gameplay in nioh. Cloud Crush? Holy shit.
>If you do the spear high stance spinning move you can hold triangle to extend it until your Ki runs out
>If you inflict two elemental status elements at once on an enemy they combine and instantly drop their Ki to zero
This shit is hilarious and this game is wonderful, I keep finding more and more new things.
>>336035669
That looks so rad and satisfying unlike the bland Dark Souls combat.
Game is shit, has no advertisement and will sell like 50k copies before getting ported to PC.
>>336044339
End game if you use high stance hammer and learn to time your attacks. You actually oneshot almost everything except oni's. The only weakness being that if you are against more then one person you have to switch to sword or lance. Axe is a lot more fun for me due to the immense damage
>>336044930
>PC
I sure dont regret buying a $9,000 gaming alienware rig to play Undertale
