Ok, so I've been kind of tangentially following this whole business, and it seems that there's a chance that vanilla servers might be a thing. So assuming the following:
-official vanilla servers get added
-they're not complete shit
Would it be worth it for someone who never played WoW to play? I feel like I missed out on Blizzards prime games and never really played Warcraft 3, Diablo 2, or WoW at all. That's one of my biggest vidya related regrets, but I've hesitated going back and playing those because fans of every series seem to have been disappointed by modern Blizzard, and that disappointment seems to culminate in WoW.
If Vanilla servers are added with expansion progression then you should jump in with friends and experience the journey everyone else had
>>336025418
>-official vanilla servers get added
Never would happen, retard
They don't have old code anymore
>>336025418
>Would it be worth it for someone who never played WoW to play?
Absolutely. It's good shit even if you don't want to play hardcore at all.
>>336025651
You are literally a fucking idiot for drinking that kool-aid.
>>336025418
https://twitter.com/Blizzard_Ent/status/726124670353694721
if you have friends and they put in progression then it would probably be a good idea
if you don't have friends pretty much everyone is going to assume you know everything about the game apart from the other 10% of people that play vanilla for the first time
>>336025651
They're meeting with the Nostalrius people right now, aren't they? It's far from a guarantee but they could set up some sort of licensing deal. I think it's naive to assume that they absolutely will or will not add legacy servers.
>>336025418
Depends if you can stomach retro experiences.
Vanilla wow had plenty of faults, so it would hinge on your preferences.
>>336025418
Ever see that picture of "hardcore vs casual ordering food"
WoW would be the former, but in the warcraft universe
its hard and tireless but if you git gud/know how it works the game is pretty easy, only when raids come into play does it get really hard
The world itself is brutal in terms of player communities, PVP servers are required imo
>Log in
>town being raped,pillage and camped out by other faction
>Welcome to the jungle mother fucker
TL;DR: I'd say try it, if you don't like it thats fine, if you are not familar with the lore either play orc or human(I'd say human personally) so you can get the most of the lore out of quest text
>>336025869
>They're meeting with the Nostalrius people right now
Yes, to sue shit out from them
Why the FUCK would anyone play vanilla if you could play Legion instead?
>>336025912
My "plan" was if an announcement was made that they're working on vanilla servers to play the Warcrafts so I can get the lore and doom myself to sorrow knowing its current state in retail WoW.
>>336025418
It depends if you can find a group of friends that you enjoy playing with.
Most of the enjoyment that people had with the game was due to the people they played with at the time, or because it was a new experience.
>>336025983
>Suing someone at their HQ
You are an idiot
They'd be indicted and taken to federal court, not hang out at Blizz's HQ
>>336025983
Cool, you're just retarded.
>>336025651
>They don't have old code anymore.
Do a back flip faggot.
>>336026030
Adding new content worked for Old School Runescape
>>336026136
I dunno my view of warcraft lore ended at WoTK end, and everything after that is fan fiction
>>336026030
You move to TBC.
So where does the expectation lie here? Will expansion races be kept? I want shit like blood elves to be wiped from the face of this planet. Please tell me nobody is vouching for WE WANT VANILLA but please keep the races.
>>336026030
Stay at naxx until the majority of the community decides for reset, BC or whatever.
>>336025651
>A billion dollar company that has dozens of servers with hundreds of harddrives do not have their core program
WTF is wrong with you? They refused to add legacy servers because it would make them actually work.
>>336026030
Nost made a perfect progression system
>Vanilla goes into TBC
>Both servers stay up, you can transfer old character to new one while keeping an older copy on the vanilla only one
Should work on that stammer there
>>336026294
A small minority of stupid faggots are asking for Vanilla to be watered down with QoL dogshit but the general consensus is to keep it as it was.
>>336026410
They said it before, all old builds were erased and thy don't have people who understands old code anymore
>>336026380
>Naxx
That raid alone is 5-6 months of content to get a practical amount of people in it
Seriously how many people have seen someone in full tier 3?
>>336026030
Depleted progression content? Just how easy do you think it is to kill Kel'Thuzad and get BiS?
I guess they could make an alt or two after ten years.
Kill yourself you stupid motherfucker.
>>336026030
>anime poster
>his post is retarded shit
Not even surprised
>>336026513
Not him but I want a link
I remember some faggot on here stating
"they most likely dont have it" and it devolved to "they dont have it" in the same thread
>They dont understand it
If you can't understand basic programming of a code you've been working on for years you need to quit your job
>>336025418
>and it seems that there's a chance that vanilla servers might be a thing.
Blizzard pretty much confirmed there won't be, they talked about "pristine servers" instead.
>>336026496
That means using the actual build of the game before TBC arrived right? I don't want them to take the current build and then just switch off certain "features." I don't even want boosted xp rates.
>>336026709
Which is nowhere near to what vanilla servers would be.
>>336025418
They won't be added. Its all PR
>2016
>still playing WoW
>still PAYING to play WoW
Blizzards a legend man. Such a gullible fanbase.
>>336026734
Alrigh then just make the server progress onto BC and stop offering Vanilla, problem solved.
Any stupid problem you're gunna throw at the issue can be easily resolved, just stop posting you anime faggot.
>>336026496
>A small minority of stupid faggots are asking for Vanilla to be watered down with QoL dogshit
What kind of QoL dogshit? Like, very mild interface improvements or things that actually affect gameplay?
>>336026734
If enough people spend money on it why not? I imagine that's why they're talking with the Nost people right now. It might not be worthwhile if Blizzard did it themselves but they can just outsource it and collect paychecks.
>>336026734
>in a few years
>a few years
People are already interested in it, progression gives people who didn't have a chance to do it, to do it
Hell the time it takes to get from 1-99 in diablo 2 is fucking way longer than WoW's anything
>appeal a vocal minority
I'd quote subscribers and use a percentage of their main but blizzard dropped that ball long ago
Nost alone had 120,000 active from what I recall and 800,000 total accounts
assuming even half of that pays(which after a few polls suggested it'd be about 70-80% who would pay for it) it would be a profit
>But muh server costs!
Blizzard has low pop servers already, so I'm unsure what the difference is
also
>How dare people vote with their wallets
Idiot
>People won't want to redo the same stuff!
Tell that to people playing Starcraft 1 and Diablo 2(ladder)
>>336026912
You can never tell if people are being serious on here but one faggot was asking for all the expansion races/classes and shit like that. Others want the improved character models and shit, just stuff that would make the game not actually Vanilla.
Nostfags are literally Goobergate 2.0
I feel sorry for them
>>336027315
Feel upset that you might be losing your shill job?
:^)
>>336026913
That's probably the biggest issue: lots of people have said that they want to play vanilla WoW servers, but how many people would actually be willing to pay to do so? It didn't cost anything to play on Nost, but would they still do it if they had to pay $15/mo.?
>>336027369
Says the Goobergater.
>>336027360
If this is suppose to be a troll you just fucking laughable
>inb4 I was merely pretending to be retarded
>>336026709
>>336026842
They also wouldn't need to meet with the Nost guys and the Nost guys wouldn't be saying there's an announcement if it was something retarded like pristine servers.
>>336025418
Short answer: yes
>>336027463
are you trying to imply something about a stranger on the internet?:^)
>>336027379
I'd pay for it and my friends would also pay for it. I imagine most of the people who played on Nost didn't play because it was free, it's because Vanilla is just a better game than retail.
>>336027315
>Nostfags are literally Goobergate 2.0
You've yet to demonstrate how this is the case in all the threads you've been spewing your fucking bile. Such a pathetic attempt to tar the Legacy server community with the same brush as Gamergate to try and discredit them.
legacy servers are never getting added, you're only getting Legion "pristine" servers.
>>336026030
I'm playing Vanilla right now with a friend on a private server and having a blast of a time.
Didn't had that in retail since Cata raids.
>>336026030
>>336026734
>>336027360
Knock off the avatarfagging you dumb, illiterate newqueer.
>>336027647
Both are about entitled man babies crying when the world changes around them.
>>336027780
And why does that affect you? Hide the thread.
I'm serious, I've been watching these threads for a few days and you're in every single one of them crying about Gamergate which has absolutely nothing to do with any of this.
Hide. The. Thread.
>>336027379
I've never considered subscribing to WoW until now. Getting to experience things from the start is a dealmaker.
>>336025418
>there's a chance that vanilla servers might be a thing
No. They were THINKING about having servers without any P2W and cash shop shit. It would not be Vanilla. They still need to sell you expansions.
>>336027780
>Entitled
More like you are
>have option to play game for free with rusky/sweden server
>Decided to petiton Blizzard to make a legit copy so they can pay for it
Hmm
>>336027993
>They still need to sell you expansions.
Then they can make it so you need the latest expansion to play Vanilla, problem solved.
>>336027981
This. I spent the years of early WoW playing SWG. If there's an official Vanilla, I would gladly pay for it.
>>336027993
Except they could do that with old ones? I'd pay for TBC and WotLK if vanilla servers came out but I have zero interest in WoD or Legion as a potential new player.
>>336027981
>Starting wow vanilla
>Never played wow
Buckle up nigga
>>336027780
>>336027952
>>336027647
>>336027315
gamergate was made by darpa
Fuck darpa for dividing and conquering the populace
FUCK blizzard for making legacy propaganda in every nost website
telling us that they are going to make legacy servers
>>336028049
I wouldn't call multiple signatures made by samefags after their ILLEGAL server got shut down anything but entitled.
>>336027952
I don't want Blizzard to pander to baby vanilla fags who can't even be assed to do Mythic content. Raid content in vanilla is piss easy and childish compared to now. Giving you autistic man children a bottle is the last thing Blizzard should do.
They SHOULD be focusing on legion instead of even commenting on this bullshit.
>>336027981
I can understand that.
It wouldn't bother you that a lot of the people that you would be playing with would already know what to do and where to go?
>>336025651
>They don't have old code anymore
>>336028278
>I don't want Blizzard to pander to baby vanilla fags
Well they are.
Deal with it and
Hide
The
Thread
>-they're not complete shit
this is exactly why it's much harder for Blizzard to make Legacy than it was for the nost devs, but it should be absolutely fine when they make it
>>336028278
>but they samefagged!
If I recall its IP locked(i might be wrong)
Even so, why even fucking mention it?
If I was a true-to-pirate who didn't give a fuck I'd just shrug and go to some russian server where they don't care about copyright
Hell, I'd go there FIRST
>>336028278
They'll go where the money is and I think Blizzard is smart enough to see there's a potential market for vanilla servers.
>>336028362
No evidence except one random anon pulling it out of his ass a week ago
>>336028425
>If I recall its IP locked(i might be wrong)
Airplane mode on. Airplane mode off.
Easy to change your IP on a phone you dipshit.
>>336028278
>it is not illegal when the retail game is worse then the original expansion
>>336026570
I haven't played vanilla since...vanilla and I remember seeing 2 people in full Naxx gear, and both were GMs of top guilds on one of the most competitive servers worldwide
>>336026896
>every post like this is a shit eating analogy
i wish scat fags would stop shipping their fetish on 4chan
>>336028326
Not really. That happens with modern MMOs on release anyway. I was playing Tree of Savior a few weeks ago and there was a significant amount of players who knew everything from the Korean version and closed betas. The important thing was that there was also a significant portion who were fresh like me.
>>336028501
>out of his ass a week ago
>week ago
we fucking heard it for years, and no sane person believed it even back then
>>336028278
So this is what it comes down to
>You GUYS ARE ENTITLED
>I WANT THEM TO ONLY ADDRESS MY NEEDS
>WAHHH
You talk about how "casual" raiding was in vanilla because thats all you fucking know
Getting to 60 was a fucking challenge enough, let alone the fucking dance it was to even GET IN the door
Then later ones like AQ40 and Naxx would rape your face
>Blizzard adds Legacy Servers
>People complain about class balance
>Blizzard starts to "balance" patch the game
>People want legacy servers again
>>336028530
That's your opinion. Mine is that WoD is better than Vanilla in all shape and form when it comes to raid difficulty and quest immersion.
>>336028579
>2
Sounds about right
TBC came out not too long after and no one was going to fucking kill themselves over Naxx when they could level to 70
Hell tier 3 was so fucking good it nearly lasted to tier 4 from what I remember
>>336028738
>He thinks thats the only game mechanic WoW has/had
Jesus
>>336028882
End game is all that matters. If you want to level then go play FFXIV, you goobergate tier fag.
>>336028620
Fair enough
It would be fun to play with someone who is new that would still be interested in exploring the world rather than just racing to level-cap. I always liked taking people exploring to the places you weren't supposed to be able to get to.
>>336028514
>IP
>thinking its Wi-fi
Jesus fucking christ are you stupid
it'd be more like
>call up comcast/ AT&T
>"hey can I change my IP"
They don't allow masks/proxies if I recall(most voting websites don't) and what you said was just straight up retarded
>>336029064
Then how come I signed multiple times? :^)
>>336028882
You're either saying leveling is important or PvP was better in Classic
>mfw
>>336028982
God damn are you ass hurt
Whats the point of leveling when you literally PAY to be max level?
Why not just start off at 100 or whatever the fuck if its so "worthless"
Hell, since we are giving shit away why not just give everything away
Oh wait thats EXACTLY what they are doing, and thats why people are getting sick of it
Hell look at the WOD sub drop
it was so bad they had to stop mentioning subs
Get fucking bent you mongoloid, You don't even need to like vanilla to see the retardation in retail WoW
>>336029064
>he doesn't know how to ip dodge using his phone
Jesus fucking christ are you stupid
>>336029227
Legion will have a spike in sales and an up of playerbase.
Deal with it Nostfags. Stop living in the past.
>>336025651
The amount of incredibly stupid imbeciles, such as yourself in these threads is truly astonishing. And the most irritating thing is the confidence that you spew your idiotic nonsense with.
>>336029227
>pay to be max level
>paying for boosts when leveling is piss easy and fast
>paying for ANYTHING in modern WoW
>muh SUBS
you really are behind the times, flustered anon
>inb4 blizzard gives in to casual complains and starts "fixing" vanilla
How do we make them explicitly state that they're going to give us vanilla without any tweaks or balance changes? If they start catering to casual begging it'll all go downhill
>>336029193
In vanilla leveling was important
you can't in a practical sense get to 60 in a day or so
if you knew EXACTLY what you were doing, it'd take about 2 weeks and thats assuming you had good luck
Realistically speaking it'd take about a month or so
Leveling is/was a important aspect of the game
>PVP was better
Arenas from TBC were probably the best in terms of a deathmatch, though I always liked world pvp aka tarren mill raids due to it being more organic than specific teams fighting each other
>>336029029
Yeah, that's another thing. In MMOs where I've observed a mix of new and experienced players, there's usually a good portion of the experienced players that are friendly and more than willing to help out new ones. I'm confident that if Vanilla servers became a thing that for every hardcore no new players allowed guild, there would be another one with a more relaxed attitude.
Nostfags are literally a pack of unruly black students dancing and yelling in a classroom for attention while retail players are the normal kids who are trying to get their work done.
We all know what will happen.
>>336029356
I'm not a nostfag though or even someone who played WoW originally. I'm just a guy who wants to try the version of WoW that people are passionate about and remember fondly instead of the glorified Facebook game. Deal with it WoD baby :^)
>>336029356
Wod had a spike increase as well
Look how that ended up
The only person who is asspained are WoD fags
I don't care if you like or hate retail, I just want to enjoy the section of the game I like
>>336029448
You can still buy max levels if I recall(even if it is retarded
>leveling is easy
this is good how?
>paying for anything
I know the cash shop exists, and you can buy game time via other means but with that level of fuckery what the hell are you bitching at vanillafags for >taking money from blizzard :^)
>Subs
See above, I'm a bit archaic but 15 dollardoos a month has shown to be a pretty stable income for the past decade or so, and if it didn't really matter why hide them?
>>336029818
>I'm just a guy who wants to try the version of WoW that people are passionate about and remember fondly instead of the glorified Facebook game.
You didn't even play Vanilla. You're just a band-wagoner. You're literally worse than Nostfags because you're jumping onto their nostalgia and acting like a leech.
>>336029857
>this is good how?
Because you have 40 more fucking levels to go through? What good comes out of the vanilla leveling experience when it's broken up into FOUR new continents in 5 or 10 level increments?
Nothing.
>are you bitching at vanillafags for >taking money from blizzard
The fuck are you on about mongo, are you insane? do you read?
>>336030115
Nostalgia is better than whatever modern WoW is going for. Stockholm syndrome? I'd rather be a leech than a cuck like you, boyo.
>>336029448
Just because you're not paying for your sub doesn't mean it's free. You're literally playing the game as a job to pay to play the game. That's pathetic.
>>336029619
Any story behind that webm? Did the beta whiteboi get beat up after that?
>>336030252
You're a cuck for memories that don't belong to you. Vanilla wow is literal shit. The raiding is shit. The leveling isn't difficult, it's just a time sink. Enjoy your pirate servers and man children who can't adapt to the changing meta and gameplay.
>>336030353
>whiteboi
White girl senpai
>>336030241
>you have 40 more levels to go through!
>what a tragedy
I frankly enjoy leveling, not in the sense of the actual task but the whole power level of entire thing it makes it
Seeing a max level and a max level with the best gear in the game was wild
Especially when you are mid level, where you are strong enough to wreck lowbies but still get raped
Also about the blizzard thing, people in a previous thread(and these fags always go to the next) bitch that nost/people who want vanilla are >piratefags
>>336030342
>as a job
>it takes you EFFORT to get sub tokens!
I don't play but I still have 3 months in tokens sitting around from Garrison missions, it takes no effort, you sound like a retard, go to bed
>>336030407
Mmm, your butthurt is palpable. I really regret not signing that petition now if only for the knowledge that you would've been just a tad bit more booty bothered. How does it feel to know that no one likes your shit version? I bet you've sunk a lot of time into your garrison and everything, poor thing.
>>336025418
I dropped WoW during Pandas, started to get sick of it in Cata, and thought Wrath was shit.
I'm gonna give it a go.
Gonna probably play a Warrior.
Will either go Nelf Warrior or UD Warrior depending on which faction is more populated. Nelf because Shadowmeld is pretty damn useful sometimes, UD because it's another fear break.
Might also go Hunter, not sure what race. Probably Nelf or Orc.
>>336030710
My garrison wall is full of archaeology items too. You mad? At least I don't play on an illegal server with a bunch of literal man children.
>>336030803
desu undead hunder senpai
>>336030407
Not him but what meta
The game is a fucking laugh of people staying in their garrisons doing fuck all
>constantly adding meta
Patch 6.2.2 to 6.2.3 was like 8 fucking months
>>336030903
It's Vanilla.
>>336025418
its fucking shit mate, youll be questioning yourself in 15 minutes why you bothered with that garbage.
its like playing an atari game now.
>>336030710
>it's just a facebook game, it doesn't take effort, it's just casual shit
>i bet you sunk a lot of time
Petition cakeboys in charge of shifting their terrible insults around so much they can't even keep track of them
>>336025651
Gr8 b8 m8 8/8.
>>336030952
why would you play a shit version?
>>336030954
Tell that to /vr/ and watch them drink your blood
>>336029496
>Leveling is/was a important aspect of the game
I think this is what's bugged me about the expansions and the changes. Leveling is a huge part of the content, and yet it's treated like a nuisance.
>>336025912
>vanilla raiding
>11111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111
>hard
ahahaha fucking stupid shit never even played the game before cataclysm.
>muh 60s ganking defenseless 30s in STV
>muh cutthroat playing experience
>>336031029
Because playing a skeleton in a dress is more fun than chasing my femur that my pet ran off with
>>336031029
(あんの)
>>336026896
people who make these kinds of comics, no matter the side they're on, are the cancer makes this imageboard the shit it is. Memes were a mistake.
>>336030804
I've invested 0 (zero) dollars and minutes in WoW at all. If vanilla servers don't happen all I do is enjoy other games like I always have. On the other hand, if vanilla servers do happen poor little you has to reconcile the fact that you've wasted your time. Cata. WoD. All the terrible things Blizzard has done to the game you've slurped down like the whore you are. I can't imagine what it's like to be so mentally abused by a company to feel the way you do but I sincerely hope you get better, Anon. You know, for your sake.
>>336030647
>obligated to log into the game and do things that aren't fun to continue to play the game
Sure sounds fun anon :-)
>>336031149
>Horsefucker
>Has shit opinions
Wew.
>>336028278
>Raid content in vanilla is piss easy and childish compared to now.
The only thing difficult about raiding today is finding 19 other people that aren't complete fucking morons that break ghosts early/not at all.
>>336031178
Who's ready for another Kologarn recolor in Legion?
>>336031149
>vanilla raiding
>isn't hard
So hows that Naxx numbers?
Beat it?
Naxx40 man had a complete rate of >1%
>He want's to be hand holded
>he doesn't want big orc daddy or stronk paladin mang banging his little twink booty
Get fucking real, a game about two factions at war should feel like they are at war
The entire "cutthroat" experience was a wild ride where it was whoever was the best could level
Hell it was personified in AV
>People think Legion isn't going to be another flop
>People think there's any redemption for ActiBlizzard
Good Christ, Nintendo's earnings are down 60% but they at least made some good games in the past few years.
Blizzard hasn't made shit since Burning Crusade.
>>336026481
>Both servers stay up, you can transfer old character to new one while keeping an older copy on the vanilla only one
i would never have stopped playing if retail did this
i'm quite happy blizzard fucked up in a way, it made me stop playing wow,
now seeing vanilla legacy "might" be a thing, i'm quite anxious lol
>>336031234
>obligated to pay for a game is somehow better than logging in for 1-2 minutes every other day
this is actually what you're posting
like, this is what you're actually trying to tell people on the internet
>>336031418
>whoever was the BEST could level
AHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
>>336031217
Vanilla servers with
1. LFG, not the auto-queue but the group finder version where players can host groups.
2. Cutting 40-man content to 25man
3. Hunters use focus and not mana
I would sign up for it.
>not wanting to appreciate vanilla in its full beauty, glory and simplicity once again
Why do such people exist.
>>336031629
No.
>>336031732
Yes. It needs to be a mix of both new and old so that new and old players can appreciate it.
>>336031418
Naxx had a low completion rate because there were no catch up mechanics and it took forever to gear up 8 tanks to do the merry go round fight. It was the hardest raid back then for sure, but most fights back then were gear checks, and gearing up 40 people at the rate that shit dropped took a long time.
>>336031217
>posts all this insane shit, taking an internet post so personally it fires you up this much
>mental abuse by a company because you enjoyed their game longer than I have
you post all of this but would literally pay that same company for vanilla servers
this term gets tossed around all the time but you really ARE a cuck
>>336031629
>group finder
>focus
>25man
>no skill ranks or weapon skillups
it would be so goddamn good
>>336026030
>>336026734
>>336027360
>posts anime
>is retarded
Who woulda thunk
>>336031621
>hes never been spawn camped for 5 hours because fuck you thats why
>>336031821
No. If you don't like Vanilla don't play Vanilla. It's very simple.
What if they implemented vannila free to play with cash shop?
>>336031621
>i only need to take an ass fucking for 1-2 minutes a day in order to enjoy my month
Wow anon, you sure got me
>>336032068
If I pay 15 dollars a month for a vanilla server then I should be allowed to enjoy it as well. Stop being selfish.
>>336031843
>gear check
Forgetting
>needing reputation
>needing a metric shit ton of flasks to do it
>if someone fucks up on the tactics the entire raid wipes
there was an element of gear checking, but to say it was mostly on that is untruthful at worst, rose tinted at best
>>336032049
desu I haven't, not even in vanilla, I played a rogue
>>336032130
>logging in to game is an "ass fucking" even though I was playing the game at the time
>>336031924
>enjoys modern WoW
>thinks his opinion mean shit
Wew lad,
>>336031843
Considering that you could use Tier 2 to get in it wasn't so much >Gear
The tank issue was legit because every guild didn't HAVE 8 tanks because there is no need for that many, and they got a rude awakening for it
>>336032257
Don't fucking pay then. You seriously want the devs to pander to your very specific demands instead of what people want; Vanilla?
This kind of attitude is why WoW is dogshit right now, everyone demanding that they MUST enjoy it and Blizzard MUST make the game the way they want it. If you don't enjoy it don't fucking play it.
>>336032340
>I played a rouge
>could stealth out
Figures
Play as someone who can't do that and welcome to the bonezone
>>336032425
blog about it you cuck
>>336032523
I had a priest too please no bully
>>336032437
Wasn't it just a couple fights that needed 8? Four Horsemen and what else?
>>336032468
If people wanted vanilla then Blizzard wouldn't have changed fucking everything while developing TBC.
>>336032340
>i was already going to give a rim job, the ass fucking i have to take for 1-2 minutes doesn't matter
Please, keep going
>>336032307
>needing reputation
revered, everyone had it after chapel revamp
>needing a metric shit ton of flasks to do it
Nah, my guild killed few bosses there back them even though my guild was casual as fuck. And at least i never used flask
>if someone fucks up on the tactics the entire raid wipes
Yes and no, mechanics could kill party memvers almost instantly, but there weren't many dps races, so you could finish it with half of raid
But I agree, naxx was hard as fuck and not because gear check
>>336032468
This
I see each "expansion" as fundementally different games on the same engine
I like vanilla
I like TBC
Open to WoTK
Didn't like cata(I played my brothers shit for like a day or so)
Didn't play MOP, looked like ass
WOD looks like ass
If someone else had flipped it, thats fine but I don't want to ruin their fun and it should be vice versa
>>336032593
>blog about it
Why do I need to when I can keep responding to you for free replies?
>>336032638
If people wanted Vanilla they'd be petitioning Blizzard for Vanilla and having meetings with people about Vanilla and there would be a thread up 24/7 on /v/ about Vanilla WoW.
>>336029064
>turn off wifi
>sign petition
>turn off mobile data
>turn on mobile data
>sign again
>repeat as necessary
>>336032626
KT
You needed ideally 6 for Thadius(though you could do it with 3 I think) because of his faggot ghouls hitting like trucks
Naxxaramas dance typically killed people in droves so its good to stock up on tanks
Thats a few that I remember, but remember this
If the DPS is poorly geared(which everyone was) that means you need a really good tank to make up for it, or more tanks
So early on, you'd have to bring in more or just take the pace slower
>>336032468
>Don't fucking pay then. You seriously want the devs to pander to your very specific demands instead of what people want; Vanilla?
Nostfags should really read this. Because the same could be said about you vanilla crybabies.
>>336027780
Damn son you got some (You)s, well done!
I played vanilla/BC for almost 2 years, and never even dove into end game content, just leveling different chars to twink in low level pvp was fun enough to keep me playing.
Now the game is 99% end game content, so there's really no feeling of progression. Just do this daily, do that daily, repeat.
>>336025651
>they don't have old code anymore
But apparently everyone else on the internet has it?
>>336032989
Because you didnt know better and were new to the game
>>336032929
But I don't pay for retail and am willing to pay for Vanilla?
Your comparison is nothing like what I'm discussing, learn to read.
>>336033036
>I don't know how emulation works
Why nostr fags always so retarded?
>>336033036
MANGOS
EMULATION
IS
NOT
REAL
WOW
>>336032950Thank you :^). It's a living.
>>336033257
NOSTFAGS BTFO
>Vanilla servers start
>Wow forums and Reddit ruins it again
Wew
>>336033257
STG-44 and AK-47 are both assault rifles but work very differently
I highly doubted MANGOS was as identical to legit WoW
The difference is if its passable to the average person/get the job done
>>336033212
>>336033257
>>336033360
>Because one guy is ignorant and runs his mouth without knowing what he's talking about, that means everyone who wants legacy servers is an idiot! HA XD!
>>336033449
The difference is, one wasn't copied from the other ;^)
>>336033212
Thats even worse
>I have the code
>I can plug it in
Versus emulation
>I've got to develop a program to do similar scripts based of data packets that I got in 2006
>hope I get close since there is no fact checking
>>336033449
>The difference is if its passable to the average person/get the job done
It's not the same. 100% of private servers do not have the real blizzard-like values when it comes to mobs and even bosses. It's either made harder or made easier, but not set in stone to the blizzard standard. Nost wasn't blizz like at all in that aspect. The agi, str, etc values of each mob have been lost forever.
>>336033507
>Thinking the AK was a copy
Outside of the hunk of wood at the end, and the fact they shoot bullets roughly the same size they are fundamentally different
> ;^)
Who am I kidding here, you are retarded
>>336033507
All guns are copy the same underlying principles, actually.
>>336033457
Hey, that ignorant guy is a hero to Nostfags. The whole firefall thing is a conspiracy!
>>336032776
you make my dick hard cuck, feed me more
>>336033685
>lost forever
How'd you figure that?
>Doesn't know blizzlike means
While true,on a specific level we can't in a practical element have it down to a 1:1 emulation we can get as close as we possibly can
Hence why blizz like servers are VERY close, to the point of, as a player, you'd be hard press to see the difference
>>336033751
What does Firefall have to do with anything?
>>336033931
Mark Kern was the head of the dev team and they had to force his ass out because he fucked it so bad.
>>336034029
Then the game promptly failed the month after he got booted.
>>336034029
So what? What does that have to do with Vanilla WoW?
>>336033890
It's easy to feel the difference. I played on Nost and it felt like the mobs were a little quicker to go down compared to my recollections of retail. Emulation code will never stand up to the real thing sadly.
>How'd you figure that?
Blizzard stated that the old code is lost.
>>336026896
>The shit-eating strawman
>>336025418
>Would it be worth it for someone who never played WoW to play?
Absolutely yes. Vanilla WoW was fucking magical. A god damn masterpiece of a game.
How I like to describe vanilla vs modern WoW is that the world was a dangerous place. You weren't a great hero, you were an adventurer getting your ass kicked by everything. You had to earn EVERYTHING, nothing was given to you for free. You had to earn that blue item, or that dungeon clear, or that elite quest, or your 60% mount at level 40. The philosophy that blizzard holds now is that you're a god and nothing can stand in your way, everything is piss easy and poses zero challenge to you.
>>336034289
>Haha I'm so above this whole debate, I'm so mature!
>Proceeds to make an mspaint comic about it because he's so above all of this stupidity
every form of top pvp from vanilla to mop actually required you to put in time learning your class and how to function against other classes.
thanks to spell pruning for the sake of change the skill ceiling was lowered drastically with w.o.d and is getting even lower in legion.
i honestly feel sorry for the people who have put time and effort into their class before hand to git gud.
>>336034289
at the end of the day, you're still playing an mmo
and that makes you just as bad
>>336034116
J. Allen Brack worked on vanilla WoW, therefore we should listen to him when he says "you think you do, but you don't."
>people unironically want vanilla server
What the fuck, vanilla was garbage
>>336034517
>J. Allen Brack worked on vanilla WoW
No he didn't, he started working at Blizzard in 2006 and his job was to make BC content.
>>336034469
>babs who post this shit have never been glad for more than 1 season and parrot some fag streamer who cares way too much about PRO WOW PVP
you couldn't name pruned abilities, and they're adding as many as they're getting rid of for the most part
>>336034469
>you think you want more than 5 abilities, but you don't
I've been saying it forever, the legion prune is going to be the final nail in the coffin. It's just not possible to enjoy a game where every class now has 1 skillbar worth of abilities and a 2 button dps rotation.
>>336033457
>the lead developer of World of Warcraft is ignorant about it
Alright.
>>336031396
Who /Legion/ here? Sure is great to see new content that isn't a rehash at all.
>>336034858
Get better reading comprehension.
>>336031021
jesus, at least someone picked up on this.
so many ass blasted bros over obv b8
>>336034910
>>336025856
nost was all about getting new friends, this is not true at all
>>336034910
>thinks they didn't do this throughout the entirety of Wow
>thinks they should individually rig and animate things like launch event bosses
>>336034910
Lets be real here, bosses in MC used generic earth/fire elemental, naga, molten giant and core hound models. The fact that multiple bosses are big enough guys that you only see their upper body really doesn't mean much.
>>336035169
With the lack of patches and the time they put into the new expansions? I'd expect them to not rehash. What am I paying them 15 dollars a month for?
>>336035417
>paying for modern WoW
shiggity memedy fucking diggity
>>336034289
This is the first MSPaint comic I've liked and that I feel has captured the debate correctly.
Also liquidshit>solid stale turds get on my level.
>>336034910
this has been going on since wrath the titan statue boss is kil jaeden rehash
>>336033697
>>336033719
I literally meant the other way around:::^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^)))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))
>>336025869
They're probably just luring them into a giant oven disguised as a board room.
>>336035169
>multibillion dollar company
>months to year of time to work on this shit
What do you even gain from defending them? I'll never understand this internet Stockholme Syndrome.
>>336035417
Access to the game as provided. Your $15 does not entitle you to future content, allow you to earmark it for development, or anything else.
You get access to WoW, as is. And that's all. If that's not enough for you, stop paying.
>>336034910
You might as well put that up with all the other re-hashed skeletons since BC.
>>336035621
It's always been going on desu, Thunderaan is just Ragnaros with a different weapon and color scheme, and he's then reused in SL in BC. The fact that they use the same models for shit really is one of the more minor of WoW's problems right now.
>>336035674
The same release of dopamine and self satisfaction you get from shitting on them.
>>336035674
>defending them
it's a waste of time, if the only flak they get from not doing it is autists posting on forums they never see it's pointless
>>336035201
>MC
Stop using the objectively worst raid in WoW as an excuses. It was Blizzard's first try at making a raid, so every fight was as generic as possible. BWL was much better, and AQ+Naxx would give modern raids a run for their money
>>336035821
Pathetic.
>>336035838
BWL still was almost if not 100% reused rigs for the bosses. Razorgore is a generic dragonkin, Vael is same bones as Onyxia, Chromaggus is a core hound, Nef is yet again Onyxia, etc..
>>336035621
KJ wasn't really a rehash. He had his own animations and rigging. Sinestra was a rehash of KJ though.
For a super heroic extra boss they sure didn't put any effort for their raiding elite.
>>336035674
MMO's re-hash skeletons all the time. It's nothing new.
Even XIV does it.
>>336035968
Agreed.
>>336036147
>XIV
Most comfy.
>>336035982
3 drake bosses shared the generic young red dragon skin too, but I mainly meant mechanics there. The quality was through the roof compared to the great nothing of MC
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xdV_bzJgRxE
Kologarn done right.
>>336036280
Yeah, but the guy posting that Legion image clearly doesn't care about mechanics as they aren't exactly obvious from just posting pictures of 3 models.
>>336034726
>couldn't name pruned abilities
they removed a majority of cc from alot of classes that made you play with the risk for reward style. you had to know what you were doing in order to get ahead.
they're changing shit for the sake of change and feeding people lies like "its to fit specs in their classes into better fantasies".
they have no idea what the fuck they're doing and this is apparent even more so in legion
look at their excuse for the survival hunter.
>>336036345
Isn't this music the one they copied from some band
>>336036458
>Copied
It's a homage, anon. That way no one can sue :^)
mods should just ban anyone who posts about this shit. private servers are against the law anyways. it is like someone talking about illegal drugs. Please remove this shit.
They're meeting Kern and the Nostalrius devs for probably one of two reasons:
1. They are trying to buy them out, or get them to somehow turn community interests toward something like pristine servers.
2. Officially license vanilla WoW to the Nostalrius devs.
#2 is the absolute cheapest solution to legacy servers. It also guarantees the servers to be dogshit like Nostalrius was. This has the added effect of drawing people away from legacy content and on to the more stable live servers.
It's highly unlikely Blizzard will do in house legacy servers though.
>>336036535
>>336025418
blizzard flat out said no to vanilla servers. they said they looked into it and don't think the option of supporting it is possible. the best they said they can do is a boost-free server but it'll be running the current version.
I just want to play classic WoW and make a cutie female gnome tank and invest my free time into a game I actually enjoy again.
>>336036434
The Survival hunter is incredible currently, which is fucking aweful because the last thing hunters need is to end up stuck in the particle effect flashbang that is Legion Combat. No, you want a class that got assfucked by the changes, it's the beast mastery hunter.
Because it's not like they need ANY CC at all! JUST MORE DAMAGE. THAT'S NU-BLIZZARD DESIGN PHILOSPHY! "NO IDEAS? ADD MORE DAMAGE ABILITIES! IT'LL MAKE THE RATS PRESS THE FUCKING BUTTON AND THANK US FOR IT."
>>336036685
Honestly I'd prefer that. Getting rid of LFG, LFR, and XServer would go a long way to killing the cancer that's killing WoW. It's not vanilla, but it's a better idea as far as I'm concerned.
>>336036685
They said it would be difficult. Difficult =/= impossible.
![1460035484303[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/1nS9lpa.jpg "1460035484303[1].jpg")
>>336036535
forgot my picture
>>336036853
>but it's a better idea as far as I'm concerned.
Wow, you fucking braindead retarded
Modern wow is made around lfg, if you remove it, than you just gimp yourself
Without changing wotlk style dungeon design, removing lfg is pointless
>>336036853
It would be an improvement, but it would still be shit. Think of it like polishing a turd.
>>336035417
>paying a subscription fee for WoW
Lad
>>336037018
>Modern wow is made around lfg, if you remove it, than you just gimp yourself
No it isn't. They still have entrances and summon stones. You don't need to use LFG at all.
>>336037018
Incorrect Fampai. Removing LFG will force people to actually start talking to eachother if they want to do any PvE at all. And since they're stuck on one server together, you start building a community. Good tanks will get demand, shitters will be slowly pushed out. It's community, not how many z-levels a dungeon has that determines the strength of an MMO.
Not that you'd know, catababby.
>>336036535
Mods should ban Blizzard discussions in general. It's like talking about Angry Birds or Clash of Clans.
All I know is when legacy servers are announced the internet is going to go fucking crazy and Blizzard shilling will be on maximum overdrive.
>>336036685
They said it was hard.
I think pristine servers are testing the waters. In the end, they would probably rather modify current WoW to emulate old WoW than go back to servers and clients missing 10 years of improvements, and pristine servers are basically a first attempt at significantly modifying some servers.
>>336036535
>private servers are against the law
They're against terms of service and the end user license agreement for anyone that legitimately owns a copy of World of Warcraft. It has nothing to do with the law.
You fucks are never going to pay Blizzard the 15 a month they want so you can play vanilla again.
>>336036718
i prefer the survival right now to the copy paste feral druid they're giving us in legion, i prefer the survival in mop.
and yes what they're doing to beast master is horrible by attaching their damage to a uncontrollable new ai as well as their focus generator its completely retarded along with their extremely dumbed down and dead boring.
>>336025651
hi mmo champ poster
go back to your echo chamber
>>336037204
None of that matters when the world sucks and the gameplay is inherently a farce of an rpg.
"Pristine" accomplishes nothing of value for anybody.
>>336037151
>>336037204
Do you even know how 5ppl dungeons work now?
You run them until first raid opens and forget about them
After that you never use lfg and lfr at all, there no reason for it
>Incorrect Fampai. Removing LFG will force people to actually start talking to eachother if they want to do any PvE at al
Why would they talk with each other if there no reason to run this garbage?
>Not that you'd know, catababby.
Played since vanilla, but of course lfr heroes like you couldn't even imagine that even now most of people who actually play the game never use lfr at all and lfg after first week
>>336037240
>modify current WoW to emulate old WoW
I don't want the current team to touch vanilla WoW. They will fucking ruin it. I just want them to host a server.
>>336037503
They need to touch it at some point because otherwise you wont be able to log in to it.
>>336037441
Have you considered that maybe you just don't want to give it a try because you enjoy being angry?
That's an unpleasant state of mind.
