The last thread seemed to be pretty popular, so let's keep this going.
So did From btfo the theory that SOlaire is the God of War? Seems like it.
Could someone (most likely Gwyn) have just eaten/absorbed the first flame instead of taking a piece of it (the lord soul)? How powerful would that nigga be?
>>335983228
Aye. The Nameless King is Gwyn's firstborn.
>>335983228
>God of War?
uwotm8
Gwyn clearly is considering he commenced the dragon shoah.
inb4 "Dark 2 is good" meme starts.
Can someone explain the story of DS3 to me? Im not even talking about the lore, I have no idea what the fuck is going on
>>335983128
What are Anri's opinions on the lord of hollows ending? I dont think I'd be too happy about the whole situation myself.
>>335983240
Probably immensely, but there would be nobody else in the world to appreciate it.
>>335983639
Nobody said it was good. It was bad but some people had fun with it. That's the end of it.
>>335983639
inb4 2 haters ruin another discussion
oh wait
>>335983240
well...remember what happend with the Witch of Izalith trying to "emulate" the first flame
>>335983240
>Gwyn eats the flame and becomes the universe
Kirkbride Souls.
Will there ever be an epic tale of Havel the Rock and his followers. I have a strong fascination of his character, mostly because of his name
>>335983639
It isn't good, but the lore is still canon though.
>>335983939
I want to purge magic user scum with Havel.
Karla best girl.
>>335983706
old "heros" who link to the fire before, reborn for link with that again, but they run away and you are just another resurrected and common guy who need find them.
>>335983706
The fire is dying
The fire awekens the previouos linkers to relink it
they dont want to and fuck off to differant parts of the world
the fire awekens you and other unkindled to return them to their throwns
you eventially do this and have the choice to relink the fire, take its power, or fuck off and let it die
What's the deal with Ludeth?
he's just a scrawny cripple and we're supposed to belive he's a lord of cinder? Every other "lord" is quite capable of ruining my shit but ludeth looks like he could die to a slight breeze
Who are the Pilgrims and where are they pilgraming to?
>>335983228
Because Solaire is just a really determined guy
>>335983128
The lore is shit, stop trying to figure something that's very shallow. Most of the DS lore is headcannon of fans anyway.
>>335984141
nice pic
>>335983967
That's the only issue I see people arguing about. The story's negligible enough to not care about it at all and event o say it's not canon, but it still is. Literally filler story tier.
>>335984203
Because we was brought back poorly and with no legs. He didnt always look like that.
>>335984203
Ludeth is old m8.
Way older than Gwyn in his weakened state.
>>335983706
Lothric is supposed to link the flame but he realizes it's fucking stupid and doesnt
So now you have to kill him and link it yourself, unless you're smart enough to just end the cycle
>>335984203
You can't be this retarded. From his dialogue it's clear he linked it long ago and hasn't been doing much since. Obviously along the way he lost his legs and he's a cripple now that just rests on his throne, but he wasn't always like this. Think about what you're saying.
By your logic the Gwyn we fight in the end of Dark Souls 1 should be as strong as the Gwyn from the cinematic. Wah wah, how can that shriveled up old raisin king kill dragons, why didn't they just parry his faggot ass.
Educate yourself you peon.
>>335984095
Pls anon I can only get so erect.
>>335984203
Ludleth probably had wicked overpowered shit when he linked the flame. He doesn't need it anymore since hes content to just sit there and wait for you to set him on fire.
>>335983128
Is there anything significant about the ending of the game? It seems like every other game which is open ended as fuck.
>>335984249
I agree.
>>335983228
Every piece of Solaires armor says he's just a strong human.
>>335984141
Why do they have thrones? Why those flame linkers in particular? Where's chosen undead's throne?
What are these things?
What are they doing?
Why is Anor Londo destroyed in the openings and artwork when the main part is intact ingame?
>>335984571
Chosen Undead was a nobody who linked it. These guys were all prolific Kings who accomplished great things across the ages.
>>335984571
>Why do they have thrones? Why those flame linkers in particular? Where's chosen undead's throne?
Literally the whole thing is just a ceremony to select for strong souls. You could toss any old soul on the flame and it'd keep it going. But a week soul might keep it going for a day whereas a strong one would keep it alive for a century.
>>335984571
>Why do the people keeping our world alive have thrones
Chosen Undead doesn't need a throne.
>>335984659
Thats sad. He gave birth to the new world and nobody even knew who did it.
>>335984248
thanks its mine
>>335984325
even in the statues he's a manlet, just he has wings and a beard. All the other lords are bigger than him, and in a world of knights and shit you'd think that size would be important in determining what it means to be a lord
even if he was a powerful sorcerer or something he's still fucking tiny. Pontiff is a fantastic sorcerer and he's fucking huge, as well as an heir of fire.
face it, they just put him in so the japs could relate to someone their size
>>335984736
Real heroes don't need recognition, they just need the satisfaction of a just deed done well.
>>335984619
they're pilgrims
they're on a pilgrimage
>>335984619
Yoel literally tells you in settlement when you meet him.
They're pilgrims making a pilgrimage.
>>335984619
They're pilgrims from Londor, where Kaathe is trying to usher in an age of hollows since an age of dark kind of sucks and will turn into an age of fire again anyway
Why is there a giant tree at firelink shrine but no tree giants?
Why are the firekeepers from Dark Souls 2 not firekeepers anymore? One's a merchant and the other gives you a couple of pieces of cloth
Why did they fix the window in Anor Londo but let everything else fall apart?
Why didn't Yorshka just drop down through the prison tower?
Why does Me Me Pickle-Pee have Solaire's stuff?
Why does collecting all of the white branches kill the Archery Giant?
>>335984805
>implying linking the flame is ultimately a good thing
>>335983639
I actually think its a better game than DS3.
Is the Ashen One canonically strong as the Demon Slayer or does the Demon Slayer still holds the title of strongest mc in the series?
>>335984791
He's obviously a dex build
>>335984249
as if dark souls is some epic saga or something
>shits fucked
>it repeats 2 more times
>thats the story
you're getting uppity about flavor text
>>335984791
What statues? Also he has long fucking arms, doubt he just has tiny legs.
>>335984971
Londor DLC when
>>335985026
>or does the Demon Slayer still holds the title of strongest mc in the series?
How is Demon Slayer strongest? He never actualyl fought the Old One at all.
Good Hunter is strongest. He killed half a dozen and then became a Great One.
>>335985026
Chosen Undead is the strongest.
>>335984984
It never ends:c
>>335984912
>>335984867
I know, but to where?
>>335985127
The slayer of demon is the demon to kill all demons. The old one isn't something you can kill.
>>335985149
To Lothric? Where the lands of the lords converge?
>>335985149
To the dead dragon in the undead settlement. They get there then die cause the bridge is out.
>>335984619
Deep Church Pilgrims from Anor Londo traveling to Lothric to beseech Prince Lothric to put an end to the Age of Fire and snuff out the flame once and for all. The stone shells are to keep their corpses from wandering when they eventually collapse from exhaustion and exposure.
Poor hollow fools want nothing more than to die.
>>335985129
If he's the final boss of three how is he the strongest? We kill him
>>335985174
The Old One isn't omnipotent. It was created by god, so it can be killed.
>>335983128
What happened to his legs?
So did the Nameless King know about Gwyndolin's being eaten by Aldrich?
Clearly he fucked off with the dragons a long time ago, but came back to leave Sunlight Blade on Gwyn's tomb after Gwyn linked the fire. Did he hollow out by the time of DS3 or did he just not care about his brother?
THANKS FOR THE INFO SUCKERS
>>335985196
>>335985214
Why are they going there?
>>335985237
He's strongest from the canon characters he kills.
>>335985298
His younger brother was born cursed and passed the curse onto him, rendering him mute and crippled.
>>335985339
Even if he knew, he wouldn't care. He was a hollow mindless zombie by the time you fight him.
>>335985039
>you're getting uppity about flavor text
Nothing to hate. I still liked the game. It goes beyond flavor text and exposes how your favorite game just turned into a cash grab. It's the same as fucking saying the Star Wars pre-quels didn't have to exist.
>>335985242
>It was created by god
No it just always existed and it always will. It lives outside the normal releam of shit.
>>335985339
He came back to fuck his sister but settled for fucking his brother dressed in his sister's clothes.
>>335985237
He's not if you chose not to link the fire.
>>335985237
Cause he's weakened after all the cycles. In his prime he killed lords and gods, ashen one just kills a bunch of weakened dudes who killed other weakened dudes.
>>335985339
Would you care about your disgusting tranny brother.
>>335985026
ranking goes like this
Ashen One(After Usurping the Fire) > Chosen Undead >Ashen One(mid game) > Bearer of the Curse > Ashen One(at the start of the game)
Ashen one isn't even a true hollow undead but unkindled, an even shittier version of the undead curse. If it wasn't for the flame getting desperate he wouldn't have woken up at all.
Who is the linker of the first flame? Is he supposed to be the chosen undead, what with his many move sets representing the player from ds 1?
>>335985469
Chosen undead also fights all weaker version of the gods what the fuck are you on.
>>335985026
Let's tally them up at their 'canon' endings.
Demon Slayer 1: Becomes a monumental, spends the rest of his life hanging out with a weird bald kid.
Demon Slayer 2: Becomes a servant of the Old One, can birth demons but in a 1v1 fight he's fucking pathetic.
Chosen Undead: Becomes the second Lord of Cinder after killing one of the most powerful entities in Souls. Pretty high power level.
Bearer of The Curse: A guy sitting on a chair. Oh, but he's not undead, I'm sure that's a very, very slight power boost.
Good Hunter: Kills several unknowable gods and becomes one himself. Very high power level.
Unkindled One: Who even knows.
Playing Dark Souls and I'm in Anor Londo. I just fell in the painting and meet that Cat Lady at the end of it. Should I kill her or leave her.
>>335985149
they turn into the big flying sticks so they were probably told to go die in lothric to invade/attack by kaathe
londor dlc will expand on kaathe's plot to usurp the fire
>>335985561
weakened gods are still more impressive than weakened lords of cinder
>>335985424
No, it was created by the real God of the Demon's Souls universe.
>>335985597
Who is she too?
>>335985610
Lords of cinders are people who linked the flame just like the chosen undead did....
>>335985601
>they turn into the big flying sticks
????????????
![dark_souls___chibi_priscilla_by_iforher-d4qtqat[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/4NYnR2W.jpg "dark_souls___chibi_priscilla_by_iforher-d4qtqat[1].jpg")
>>335985597
Pls no bully.
Anyone know if a refined weapon at 20/20 will out damage a heavy or sharp weapon at 40 with minimum of str or dex required to wield it?
I ask because I want to make a pyro and I'm unsure if I should go 20/20 str/dex refined or go 40 dex sharp and 40 points mix of int/faith and using chaos gem.
>>335985026
Depends.
Who wins in a fight:
Old King Allant
Gwyn
Nashandra
Moon Presence
Soul of Cinder
Whoever wins means their MC is the strongest
WTF was going on in Dark souls 2? Was the throne of want actually a Kilin?
Why did the Emerald Herald make it out as if it was a wish machine?
Why did Nashandra want the throne if its used to re-link the fire? Isn't that bad for her?
Why does nothing make sense Geologically? Why is it implied dozens of kingdom have risen and fallen where Drangleic is and even heides tower is in ruins but anor londos castle is perectly intact?
Where are Lordran, Drangleic and Lotheric located relative to each other?
Why is it that Astora, Izalith and Catarina are long forgotten in 2 but referenced everywhere in 3?
Why is Andre there?
What are the blob things that consume Iudex gundyr and the hollows in the first area?
>>335985597
Kill her, you're saving her from a much worse fate later on
>>335985601
Those things that assist dragonslayer armor?
>>335985634
it was the god of the demons souls universe. it's based on the marceon heresy.
>>335985678
And none of them had to get through gods to do so cause chosen undead already killed em
>>335983128
I got some questions.
>What exactly makes someone a Lord of Cinder?
We didnt fight Gwyn, even though he had the title. Aldritch and Lothric didnt link the fire but they were still considered Lords of Cinder. This part confuses me the most.
>Why are Unkindled free of holowing?
All Humans should Hollow, even Unkindled ones since Humanity is tied to Humans. Every Human has a Dark Soul so an Unkindled would HAVE to have it too or you would just be a mindless Hollow. Im guessing the curse was "healed" by the DS2 protag, Aldia and the Emerald Herald after the events of Dark Souls 2.
>Untended Graves
What the fuck is it? It seems like this place is of vital importance but I cannot understand why its there or why an evil copy of the shrine handmaiden lives there (seemingly immune to the abyss too).
>Archdragon Peak. Was it not real and just apart of some dream the Ashen One had?
>>335985692
the "pilgrim butterflies" that show up at the end and bully you during the ds armor fight
>>335983128
Roll roll attack
>>335985735
Drangleic is presumably on a different continent, or at least very far away from Lordran.
>>335985546
Chosen Undead was the second person who linked the First Flame(The first being Gwyn)
After that came many others, the Soul of Cinder using all kinds of move sets represents that.
>>335985823
>They didn't have to go threw gods
>Motherfucking Aldrich ate Gywndolin and has parts of nito in him
Nigger
>>335985797
Oh, you naive fool. I guess you didn't read everything and talk to everyone.
The Old One is a false god. People worship it, thinking it's the true god, but it's just a creation of the actual creator God.
>>335985748
Will it affect me and do I net some pretty goodies?
>>335985714
Moon Presence > Soul of Cinder >>> Gwyn >Old King Allant >>>>>>>>>>> Asylum Demon > Nashandra
>>335983128
The last thread wasn't done and was made 6 minutes before this one you autistic moron
>>335984994
>>335983639
>>335983821
The sheer fact that S3's mediocrity is retroactively making DS2 seem good (especially with SotFS) is astounding. Tell me you wouldn't want powerstancing, dual wield, and guard breaks back. Of course some things were horrible, it looks like shit, design is ridiculous, easiest souls game, but at least they tried to break the fucking mold. We'll see how it all pans out in the end with the DLC and patches but unless they add some things to better balance and make more builds viable I don't think the online will stay alive.
>>335985424
no. God created humans then realized they suffer because their souls allow them to feel feels. Creates the old one to wipe them off the face of the earth. It was meant as a mercy killing but humans decided to fight against it.
>>335985735
dark souls 2 existed in an age of deep seas, it's what aldrich was trying to prevent.
gwyndolin kept anor londo okay under the ocean, the rest of the gods fucked off to heides.
drang is miles and miles above lordran, some shit floated down when the sea drained at some point.
dark souls 3 is what became of lordran. after the sea drained winged beings started showing up and made lothric where the duke's archives were. Gwynevere marries one of these beings - Ocerios and the rest is history.
>>335985931
Cut off her tail.
>>335985830
>What exactly makes someone a Lord of Cinder?
linking the fire.
What was that dog in the cave on the road of Sacrifices? There's two dogs, but one has a giant malformed sac on it's belly. I'm pretty sure it's the only one in the game. It's also near two bodies with a ring from Carim (Morne's Ring) and a Carim Braille Divine Tome.
I feel like there's a story there.
>>335985862
You're right just sold my game because of this truth, I am free. Thank you.
>>335985902
>Nito
>Still dead after all these years
The guys got dedication Ill give him that, even after being killed hes STILL dead.
>>335983128
Does it say anywhere if the surviving Black Knights teamed up with Lothric to fight the demons? Also, why do the Black Knights in the Untended Graves disappear when they die, but not the others?
>>335985967
>The sheer fact that S3's mediocrity is retroactively making DS2 seem good
Since when?
This is just that same old shit where when a new game comes out people suddenly start going on about how the last one was better. I wish I could say I expected people to be better than to say Dark 2 is better than anything, but this is /v/.
>>335983228
People literally ignored Solaire's armor where it straight-up fucking said, he was just a dude
A really bad-ass, powerful and benevolent dude, yeah, but nothing more
>>335985902
He did so after linking the flame correct? And Gwendolyn was captured and defenceless and Nito was already dead, unless he magically came back to life in which case the whole plot is fucked
>>335983639
DS2>DS3
>>335985910
good shit, so it really was just God trying to get rid of the soul arts?
>>335985343
np, hurry up and make a fucking lore video you goddamn hack
>>335986092
You do realize Pontiff works under the chapel of deep the right the chapel who serves aldrich. If alrich pope can take out gods what makes you think he can't? He even stood right into the abyss/deep without fear.
So what the hell were those demons/old demon king and why did they kill all the stray/capra demons
>>335986000
where the fuck are you getting that from? what proof is there that lordran was underwater?
>>335985830
>Untended Graves
you aren't the first of your kind. probably some ties to artorias and implications he was an unkindled at some point too maybe?
>>335985902
>has parts of Nito in him
Bones =/= Nito.
Nito is dead. Actually dead. His soul was burnt up in the First Flame, and when it reincarnated in Dark 2's shitty story it wasn't Nito, it was The Rotten who was the host.
Nito, as you know him, doesn't exist any more. Even if Aldrich ate whoever was carrying Nito's soul (I really don't consider the reincarnation canon anyway, since it's never mentioned in Dark 3) he would look like Nito, he would look like whoever was holding Nito's soul.
>>335985735
>Why did Nashandra want the throne if its used to re-link the fire? Isn't that bad for her?
Nashandra wanted power, not the throne. The throne was only a way to achieve that power. I dont know how.
>Why does nothing make sense Geologically? Why is it implied dozens of kingdom have risen and fallen where Drangleic is and even heides tower is in ruins but anor londos castle is perectly intact?
Time is convoluted bro
>Where are Lordran, Drangleic and Lotheric located relative to each other?
Doesnt matter, time and space are being torn apart in Dark Souls 3. Nothing has to make sense since reality is literally falling apart.
>Why is it that Astora, Izalith and Catarina are long forgotten in 2 but referenced everywhere in 3?
2 is on the other side of the world. Also, just general retcon bullshit.
>Why is Andre there?
Memes. No, im not joking. The series has become Meme Souls at this point. Not even one line of dialogue or any item description has even tried to offer half an explanation on why some old blacksmith has survived for thousands of years or why hes just fucking around in Firelink Shrine.
>>335986052
my pet theory is the bodies are the pair from carim you pick up in the settlement (hammer dude and fire keeper miracle seller).
>>335986104
The Old One is the source of the soul arts.
God only knows why God made the Old One. Maybe it was a punishment for something humans did in the primordial years of the world.
>>335984141
but what is an unkindled?
If its just an undead then why did they change the word, usually they're pretty specific with why they chose certain words.
>>335986019
>linking the fire.
Read my post, two Lords of Cinder never even got close to linking the fire.
>>335985830
>What exactly makes someone a Lord of Cinder?
My guess is someone who either linked the fire or was chosen by the Flame to link it.
>Why are Unkindled free of holowing?
They are not, a lot of unkindled NPCs go hollow during your journey and you can go hollow yourself if you have a dark sigil in your inventory and die enough times.
Untended Graves is the Firelink Shrine in the past, that much is certain.
And Archdragon Peak was real, I think, otherwise you wouldn't have gotten the soul of the Nameless King.
>>335986229
the fact that an ocean is present there at all.
in DaS the only areas that could be described as remotely aquatic were ash lake and darkroot basin.
darkroot basin is now an ocean with a shitty skybox
>>335985830
lord of cinder status is just being powerful. think of how your character endures a harsh journey to become powerful enough to link the flame, thus you're a lord of cinder.
>>335986342
the living ash of a former champion
>>335985735
I thought it basically was a wish machine, but the player wishes to end the curse of the undead, which presumably is done by linking the fire. Why would the Giants need to link the fire? They don't turn undead. I mean heck its literally called the Throne of Want.
>>335986343
>two Lords of Cinder never even got close to linking the fire.
Who are these then?
Lothric didn't link the fire, but the other four did. Do you mean that Lothric and Lorian count as one?
>>335986321
interesting shit, demons definitely had better lore.
>>335986473
Lothric and Aldritch.
>>335986480
Demon's lore was less complex by far. It had some interesting little implications, like all the weird stuff at Shrine of Storms, and the implication that Flamelurker is the demon of Big M the dragon slayer.
But the central story lore was pretty straight forward.
>>335986392
But darkroot basin used to be oolacile, and there's more water in darkroot basin now than there was when it was oolacile. But oolacile preceded darkroot basin, so if the oceans were gradually draining, why is there more water there now?
>>335986392
>New Londo Ruins
>>335986009
Noted.
Brb. Going to slay some mad pussy.
What exactly is "hollowing" and what exactly is "humanity"?
Was Aldritch always a blob?
>>335986084
It's sad because everyone who thinks DS2 was the worst thing to ever happen to the souls series overlooks everything good about it. Like I said, tell me you would not want powerstance, dual wield, and guard breaks back. The sheer amount of small things that were improved from 1 to 2 was great, and it's still a fucking souls game at heart. DS2 was absolutely shit on because it failed to capture the atmosphere of 1, but many people enjoyed it because as a sequel, it was a huge improvement. Soul memory flopped hard but so is weapon upgrade matchmaking too. You're delusional if you think the only reason people like 2 is because the third is out, it's just missing almost everything that made 2 good.
>>335985830
Based on Champion Gundyrs soul/other details, seems like that place is what happens when the flame dies out. Gundyr was too late, flame died, now it's a dark world.
It would explain everything except for why it seems to be in a different plot of space and time.
>>335986370
>And Archdragon Peak was real, I think, otherwise you wouldn't have gotten the soul of the Nameless King.
it was real but there was some fuckery going on there. time travel or astral projection or something
>>335986541
Where did you get that? Aldrich linked the fire, that's why he was awakened by the bell. Lord of Cinder isn't a title, you earn it. Lothric is only called a Lord of Cinder because that was supposed to be his destiny. He never actually became an official one.
Aldrich linked the flame, same as the others.
>>335986594
No he used to be a guy, but he ate so many people he turned into a blob of goo for some reason.
>>335986585
lack of humanity
having a soul, "life force" whatever you want to call it.
>>335984659
>Chosen Undead
>a nobody
Pick one
>Attire of the Painting Guardians, whose forms are described in the mythology of heretics.
>The hunchbacked teller of ancient tales describes unwanted souls who are unwelcome across the lands, and are eventually drawn into a cold, painted world.
>Great scythe of the forlorn souls guided by heretical storytellers. The Mistress of the Painted World is said to wield a great scythe herself.
WHO ARE THE CORVIANS
WHAT'S THEIR DEAL
>>335984203
Ludleth was just a random mook in the same vein as the player when he linked the fire many, many, many ages ago. One of his lines upon you first meeting Ludleth involves him referring to himself as a charred corpse.
He used to be badass, but he linked the fire and got burned to shit and is utterly ancient.
>>335986585
Humanity is the fragments of the original Dark Soul that Manus shared with the other humans. It's what makes a hollow into a human.
Hollowing is a human reverting to their natural form that they had before they were given pieces of the Dark Soul.
What the fuck is the Age of Deep Waters?
>>335985513
>>335985563
Why does it always seem like Bearer of the Curse being so low is a dig at DS2 as a whole?
>>335985967
>patch to make more builds viable
GIT
GUD
>>335986608
Dark 2 was a big handful of good ideas that were unfortunately wasted on a bad game.
There's lots of stuff from Dark 2 that was a great addition, and some things I'd like to see back. But the game itself is bad, shamefully so. I wish I could travel to the alternate universe where they didn't get fucked over during development. In another place, in another time, Dark 2 might be the best Souls game.
>>335986698
All you had to do to be the chosen undead was to leave the asylum.
WHAT IS A LORD OF CINDER???? Is a common question. I hope to answer it.
Lords of Cinder are not people who have linked the fire, merely people who are viable candidates to be used as KINDLING to link the NEXT fire.
Our primary source on the matter is Ludleth. He seems to know a lot.
"Five thrones will take five lords, as kindling for the linking of the fire."
This quote from Lud pretty fucking clearly states the purpose of a LoC. The thrones turn the lords into kindling, so that the fire may be linked again.
"Fine kindling for the thrones, is it not, each soul truly worthy of Lordship"
If you work backwards in this quote, you can see that for a soul to be worthy of Lordship, it must be useable as kindling for the thrones. This again reinforces the fact that the purpose, the duty of a LoC is to sacrifice themself as kindling.
At first I thought that LoC WERE all linkers of the fire, but the more you look the more you realise that;
There is absolutely no referrence to Aldrich or the Abyss Watchers linking the fire
Yhorms relation to linking the fire is only solid if you presuppose that LoC have linked the fire. If not, it simply means he is preparing to be used as kindling.
Ludleth is the only LoC that seems to have a solid, direct relation to a previous linking.
As for Prince Lothric, Emma states
"Tell him what he must be, A lord.." before she randomly dies for some reason.
From this, we can ascertain that Lothric ISNT ACTUALLY A LORD until we make him one. Aka, until we turn him into kindling for the flame.
Gilligan is the most powerful figure in Souls. Without ladders, chosen undead cannot finish his quest.
>>335986454
You dont need to be a human to do it. You just need a powerful soul. Gwyn was't human and neither was Yorm.
>>335986594
This might be completely off, but I think the statues of a kindly, hunched old man in Irithyll might be him. It's either him or Archdeacon McDonnel, who also looks weird and bloated like he's been eating people.
>>335986698
All hes known for is setting himself on fire all alone. Nobody even knows his name was 420SasukeSephiroth1997.
>>335986708
Wheel Skellies forced to spin forever.
>>335986795
>Gilligan is the only reason we could reach yhrom
Man is a hero
>>335986768
clutch that estoc tight
>>335986642
Aldritch was made a Lord of Cinder "through might".
Also,
>Lord of Cinder isn't a title, you earn it
>Lothric is only called a Lord of Cinder because that was supposed to be his destiny
Way to contradict yourself in the same breath.
>>335986642
This is wrong lord of cinder is a title for those who have souls strong enough to act as kindling for the fire
Would I be retarded in assuming that Lordran and that whole area acts as some physical version of the afterlife
>>335985678
nah not all of them linked the flame, the prince being obvious since he tells you
has more to do with inheriting or seizing lord souls fragments and shit im thinking
>>335986708
Inhabitants of the painted world that were kicked out for undisclosed reasons, most likely due to the painted world ceasing to exist. They tell stories about how amazing it was to have a place where an outcast could feel at home because now they're just shitty migrants again.
>>335986765
Dark 2 was on a much smaller scale than the others, which is actually something kind of interesting I liked about the game.
So naturally the powerlevels are lower. Even the dumb fanfiction, canon breaking reincarnated lords were far, far weaker than their original forms.
I mean, fuck, the Prisoner boss was just pathetic. It's just a woman with a sword. It's not even a big tough knight, it's literally a skinny prick with a big sword.
So even if you liked Dark 2 (you shouldn't), it's just a lower powerlevel than the others. All the major bosses in Dark 1 are the original heirs of the First Flame, all the big bosses in Dark 3 are linkers of the First Flame. All the big bosses in Dark 2 are just random dudes who happened to find a powerful soul.
>>335985883
Really wished that his soul transposed sword changed the moveset like the original does, it would have been awesome
>>335986765
It's more about the unimportance of the bossses Bearer kills.
DaS1 made it pretty fucking clear all the main lords were.
>>335986741
What supposedly comes after our during an age of dark.
But the deep is referenced many times as must being a state of darkness.
Maybe water in DaS universe is allegorical to darkness because water kills fire.
>>335986765
I'm not really hating DS2, It's just that save it for a few bosses the DS2 protag didn't really beat any powerful people lorewise.
>>335986918
Why would you assume this?
>>335985934
moon presence really wasn't that special
the death stare was fun but besides that pretty plain, not to say he's a bad boss tho either
>>335986786
>WHAT IS A LORD OF CINDER????
Lord of Cinder: Someone who linked the flame.
Lothric is the only one who didn't, so he's not a true lord of cinder. He's a powerful soul, though, presumably because the First Flame chose him, so he's kind of like an honorary lord and you need his ashes for the linking.
>>335986918
but it is. its all undead who can bleed and curiously die yet again.
>>335986912
No, he definitely linked the fire. He was chosen to link the fire because he was strong, even though he was undeserving.
>>335986795
Honestly, he was my favorite character callback. It's simultaneously a little reference to a previous game that doesn't go overboard, and also explains all the giant ladders everywhere.
>>335987016
Dark is a weird word because we assume it means darkness, but in the context of the game is means humanity, human beings. An age of dark is just one where humans are the only things left of note.
>>335986912
>Aldritch was made a Lord of Cinder "through might".
OK, and how does that imply he never linked the flame? Aldrich linked it for power, not to save the world from an age of dark.
And that wasn't a contradiction at all. Lothric is just CALLED a lord of cinder. He's not a true, official one.
>>335986969
>L2 cycles through the 4 different movesets
muh dick
but then everyone would be using it
>>335987052
>Lord of Cinder: Someone who linked the flame.
Okay
>Lothric is the only one who didn't
Okay, so which is it? Dont say he wasnt a "true" Lord of Cinder because you need his ashes all the same. Like it or not, a Lord fo Cinder does not have to actually link the fire.
>>335986968
>the dumb fanfiction, canon breaking
Wow, that's your stance huh? You don't like a sequel and suddenly it's canon breaking fanfiction.
>>335986808
Gwyn and Yhorm (presumably, since his best buddy sets out to kill him) both go hollow though. The Giants don't seem to have that problem, they just turn into trees and come back to life.
>>335986741
Everything is under water
>>335987086
>gilligan's corpse surrounded by piles of treasure and dozens of ladders
He died doing what he loved. Being a dick ass thief and making fucking ladders.
Best character.
One thing I didn't like was the implication that an age of Dark never happened, that the flame was linked every time.
I would have loved if, say Aldrich, had been a Lord of Dark instead.
>>335986242
>>335985830
The Artorias armor being there is probably reference to a couple things.
1. The place being dark, much like Abyss
2. Artorias failed, much like Gundyr
Archdragon Peak is very real. you can fucking see it from the spot where you do the gesture ffs.
you most likely get carried there by the bird when you do path of the dragon for long enough, like when you hold up the sign or curl up like an egg.
Why did Yhom have so much fucking loot?
>>335986392
eh im not really buying all of it but miyazaki did like playing around with the theme of water in bloodborne as well
>>335986893
>nigga went all the way to Anor Londo, got past Aldrich and his cult, made his way across the Irithyll Dungeon just to put a ladder in the Profaned Capital should someone there ever need one.
Truly the unsung hero of the series.
>>335987031
Literally just headcanon. I know it barely adds up but I like to believe that it acts as some sort of afterlife for the curse. Cursed seem to be drawn to it, either willingly or not. They're sent or quests or embark on quests alone and often forget how it came to be or the memories of their past and it all seems to be the breeding grounds of the gods, as well as hosting apocalyptic circumstances, convoluted timelines and an ultimate quest for each undead, which I like to interpret as the quest that one must go on in purgatory to cleanse yourself of sin.
Also other kingdoms seem to do decently well, catarina, astora, vinheim etc
>>335987280
Oh my
>>335987153
It breaks canon because Seathe's soul was reincarnated into Freja.
Seathe never had a soul. He was just borrowing Gwyn's. His soul blended back into Gwyn's when you linked the fire, and was reincarnated along with the Four Kings shard as the Iron King.
How can Seathe's soul reincarnate when he didn't have one?
Also, the dragon in the memory gives you a dragon's soul, which is contradictory to the most important and lore event in the entire series. Dragons don't have souls. I can buy that Sinh is a fake dragon so has a soul, but the real dragon in the dragon memory cannot have a soul.
This makes no sense. So people link the fire than get re-incarnated to re-link it again? Does that mean Ashen one already went through this shit?
>>335987121
>OK, and how does that imply he never linked the flame? Aldrich linked it for power
Nothing says he linked it. He was simply powerful and granted the status of Lord fo Cinder.
And you dont gain power by linking the fire, it fucking kills you. Aldritch wants the Deep, not the Age of Fire. It makes no sense for him to link it.
>Lothric is just CALLED a lord of cinder. He's not a true, official one.
No, he actually is a true, official one. You NEED his ashes to continue to the kiln of the first flame. He has a throne just for him. Like it or not, Lothric is indeed a Lord fo Cinder and since he never linked the flame and holds the status of Lord of Cinder its certainly possible for Aldritch to so the same.
>>335986786
why now need five LoC and not just only one like before? was just because Prince Lothric don't wanna and the time is over?
>>335987025
which makes it kind of believable.
I always had a problem with how all those mighty lords from the beginning of fire just so happen to live within the same tiny kingdom.
>>335986741
i guarantee you the next setting they use for the "souls" formula is some underwater shit.
>>335987250
>you most likely get carried there
why would they not show it then?
>>335987286
I don't know how much I buy it, but it's strange that only now do we have any reference to water at all.
You'd think there would be some sort of water theme relating to snuffing out the flame instead of letting it die over time.
>>335986242
>probably some ties to artorias and implications he was an unkindled at some point too maybe
Absolute fanfiction
so im gonna go ahead and take a guess and say that dark souls 2 is in an alternate universe or something
>>335987318
>He got pasted all those fucking jailers with his based schitar
May the gods smile upon that man
threadly reminder that Archdragon Peak is a dream
>>335987121
>Aldrich linked it for power
Doesn't linking the flame mean you have to stay by it while it eats your soul and you go hollow? How does that make you powerful
>>335987348
Except Dragons do have Souls. They give out Souls when they die.
>>335987391
The flame is that fucked.
>>335987463
>and say that dark souls 2 is in an alternate universe or something
No, it's just the polarizing title in the series like Zelda 2 and many other 2's.
Ignore 2-posting.
>>335987479
That's one fucking metal dream.
>>335986009
Welp. Couldn't do it. Tail wouldn't cut off.
She dead thoug.h
>>335987463
Or takes place after DaSIII
>>335987220
Go read Champion Gundyrs soul and really think about the area you find it in
There is NOTHING. Its just nothing. it's not interesting, its not cool, it is nothing.
>>335987380
How can you become a Lord of Cinder just by people saying you are? He has the power of cinder, he starts burning in his second phase. He's a full Lord of Cinder.
>linking the fire kills you
No it doesn't. We established that in the first game. Gwyn linked the fire and lived, though he went hollow.
Ludleth linked the fire and lived.
Yhorm linked the fire and lived.
The Wolf Blood linked the fire and lived.
So why can't Aldrich link the fire and live?
If you don't have to link the fire to become a Lord of Cinder then what do you think that title even means? You think it's just an arbitrary name given to anyone who wants it? Ludleth is basically a nobody, so why would he be Lord of Cinder if he didn't link the flame?
You're an idiot. Lord of Cinder = one who linked the flame.
>>335987463
No, it's the same universe. Just a different part of the world.
"When the Drang Knights disbanded, they scattered across the lands as sellswords. They quickly became known for shieldless, aggressive tactics that struck fear in the hearts of men."
Drangleic fell, everyone got the fuck out. Some of them crossed the world and ended up in Lordran.
>>335987479
>untended graves is just an illusion
>Archdragon peak is just an illusion
>Ludex Gundyr is just an illusion
>Ornstein was just an illusion
>Everything is just a fucking illusion
Bravo Dark Souls.
>>335985830
Aldrich did link the fire. That's why he burst into flames.
>>335987132
That would be amazing and better than the current meta. Just think, everyone running around with 4 movesets to fuck with. Glorious.
>>335985678
Aldritch literally eats gods. That makes the lords of cinder either on par with the gods or above them.
In fact, the "gods" aren't even really gods. Just Hollows who got a part of the flame. The flame can be seen as nothing more than a huge mass of souls.
>>335987479
>sit down
>fade to black
>dragon roars
>now you're in archdragon peak
BRaVo MIYAZAKI
>>335986894
I'm using the corvian great knife try again bitch nigga
>>335987561
you only missed a shitty dagger
>>335987280
All throughout the building with Yhorm's boss room in it, there's horribly charred corpses surrounded by golden loot. I know there's some text that says the profaned flame burned exclusively human flesh. So I would assume that the Profaned Capital was once some kind of hedonistic dystopia, then one day hellfire rains down, and the people with their mixed up priorities try to get as much treasure as they can rather than escape with their lives. In the end, you have mounds of unscathed treasure surrounded by horribly burned corpses.
>>335987570
No, the Shield of Want and Drang weapons/armor are pretty explicit. DS2 happened before DS3.
>>335987025
fume knight is one of the hardest bosses in the series. he kills an even stronger version of kalameet which was the most powerful boss in dark souls
>>>335986968
>All the major bosses in Dark 1 are the original heirs of the First Flame
you are leaving out the fact that they are all severely weakened or going mad
>>335987517
>I didn't play Dark Souls
Why the fuck are you even in this thread then?
Dragons give tail weapons because the devs wanted you to get their boss weapons but they didn't have souls.
The basic fucking lore of the entire universe is that souls didn't exist until the First Flame appeared. Dragons never had souls, and never could have them. Seathe's soul was just borrowed, it wasn't truly his.
>>335987440
just some spitballing because there's a lot of artorias stuff in firelink for basically no reason
>>335987473
They drained all his HP from afar, it lasted just long enough for him to lay the ladder down.
>>335983821
>Artificial difficulty is bad game design unless it's Dark Souls and then it's okay
>>335987604
Fucking Gwyndolin
>>335987651
>Profaned Capital was once some kind of hedonistic dystopia, then one day hellfire rains down
I guess, since it is the PROFANED capital after all.
>>335987570
inb4 "Dark souls 3 ► Pharros is the ashen one"
>>335987663
>Bed of Chaos
>weakened
It's literally the most dangerous thing in the world. It's a shitty boss fight, but in lore it's near unstoppable.
Nito isn't weak either. His soul isn't nearly as burnt up as Gwyn's, or divided as the Dark Soul.
>>335987651
>even more subtle Biblical imagery
Bravo Miyazaki
The intertwining level design of DaS1 was dumb luck wasn't it? Miyazaki will never pull it off again will he?
>>335987604
>The sun is an illusion
>>335987250
Archdragon Peak being a real place doesn't mean when you go there it isn't a dream
you are literally shown falling asleep
>>335987740
Nitos power was being drained by pinwheel wasn't it though?
>>335987740
>bed of chaos
>most dangerous thing in the world
it's literally a bug.
>>335987380
Aldrich went on fire in his second stage dipshit. That clearly unequivocally shows his soul was used as fuel for the first flame.
>>335987660
Time is fucked :^ )
But seriously, that's kinda gay if true.
DaSII just has this eir of being set aside from DaS and DaSIII. It'd be easier to swallow if it took place afterwards.
Why weren't the dragons smart enough to just use the first flame for themselves?
>>335987587
i guess they just handled it really shitty in das3.
>>335984115
I see people saying she's one of Manus' children.
Do they say that because of the "But I am guilty. A wretched child of the Abyss," line?
>>335987651
Profaned Flame pyromancy flavor text.
"The Profaned Capital was consumed by fire after Yhorm the Giant became a Lord of Cinder. The fire, born of the sky, is said to have incinerated naught but human flesh."
Yhorm conquers the Profaned Capital back when it had a name. He ends up linking the fire and becoming a lord of cinder, but doing so causes the profaned flame to consume his kingdom.
>>335987740
Fucking pinwheel stole his power. Since the darksign came about no one's been dying, Nito has nothing going for him.
>>335987580
>Ludleth linked the fire and lived.
>Yhorm linked the fire and lived.
>The Wolf Blood linked the fire and lived.
dude, they just resurrect from the dead (DS3 intro)
>>335983128
The Dark Ending where you kill the Firekeeper doesn't give you the dark ending achievement.
This seems intentional.
>>335986642
Lorian uses the lord of cinder embers despite not even supposed to be one like Lothric
I'm pretty sure the lord of cinder thing is decided by power, too.
>>335987843
>>335987678
Someone needs to make a comic about this
