He did literally nothing wrong
I'm so fucking mad.
Got some pretty intense feels from that part of the game. Rip ratman.
Did he deserve it?
>>335960896
I dunno man, killing people always seems wrong.
>>335960896
Why didn't he escape the prison earlier?
>>335961970
He was doing God's work, killing off scum.
>>335960896
What are You mad at?
He got over this business, run to Hawaii and brought his mother. At the end, he was calm about his fate.
>>335963286
He wasted his life trying to save his mom.
He deserved better. Much better
>>335960896
I would honestly pay 15 bucks for a prequel to hm1 and 2 if it was Richter's story alone
fuck you faggots he was and still is the best character
>>335963447
>not caring about Your beloved ones
But why anon?
>>335961615
Even so, the sympathetic side is shown, as he is doing it, presumably, reluctant in order to protect his mom.
>>335960964
What's more, he is actually weaker with using weapons. Shoots slower with shotgun and fires less accurate in general. Plus his executions are slower.
>>335963725
What is further to exploit there? It was good enough as it was.
Sure, there could be more levels, but that apply to every character.
>fuck you faggots he was and still is the best character
His background is great. But I think that fav character is matter of preference.
Son and Pardo are good on its own.Desu familiada, I like Richter the most
>>335960896
>HM Thread
>No mentioned Thick Skinned Manny Pardo
You guys are a fucking disgrace.
>>335964218
Pardo's only mistake was not catching the miami mutilator in time
we will never know who was that ellusive criminal
>>335964827
Manny's is the only non-criminal protagonist in HM world.
>>335960896
He got the best ending though.
>>335964218
I wonder if he is gonna catch that the Miami Mutilator, that bastard who killed many of the good civilians of Miami?
>>335964091
>>not caring about Your beloved ones
>But why anon?
I said it was a waste of time because he eventually fucking dies despite his efforts.
He didn't want to cause conflict between the US and Russia like Jake/Jacket, he just wanted to help mom out ;_;
>>335963725
>be a no name indie dev
>create a huge following by copying obscure japanese game in an inferior manner
>create a compelling universe coinciding with release of a cult movie
>announce a sequel
>try to viral your own game on /v/ via 'leaked build' and stream
>months pass
>when the game finally releases, it lacks editor, level design is horrendous to the point it kills the frenetic pacing the first game was known for outright and there's almost zero improvement in every gameplay segment
>at the end of the game, nuke the game world killing the lore, only worthwhile thing you had left at that point
>sink into obscurity
Best example of a developer comitting creative suicide for no reason.
>>335965253
Counter suggestion:
>ending open for the sequel
>people are bitching about milking the IP
>turns out to be shit
I just want to point out, that each decision has its own pros and cons.
>>335965253
copying which jap game?
>Listening to music in public
>Fahkeet starts to play
>>335965574
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vfhy5WzD40g
Of course Jap game has far better / varied gameplay
>>335965737
they were inspired
they did not "steal" the idea
besides HM looks, sounds and plays much better
>>335965547
could have released good modding tools / source code and let community have a go at the lore that is still alive at that point.
>>335965737
looks terrible
>>335965737
Yah, everyone woul've loved that slow ass pace and shit music brah
>>335965882
Yeah like Notch was "inspired" by Infiniminer.
AYY WHAT UP YOU AUTISTIC SPERGS FRIDAY NIGHT /HLM/
REAL MIAMI HOURS KILL THAT MOTHA FUCKIN LIKE BUTTON
>>335965253
>level design is horrendous to the point it kills the frenetic pacing the first game was known for
I'll never understand this, the game clearly encourages and rewards you for being reckless and aggressive
It's not the game's fault if you give up and play cautiously, you just need some thicker skin
That reminds me. Are there any "map packs" being to DL? Finding campaigns / missions and DLing them one by one is tiresome.
Plus, someone made infamous /tv/'s plane scene.
>>335965891
And they did. So far I've counted:
- alternate ending, where fans are busting out jacket (havent played it yet)
- side story of the guy from HM1 who was wearing crocodile mask
Plus the author "canonized" this:
https://imgur.com/a/NAyuv
>>335964934
>>335966165
>>335965574
>>335965547
>HIDE BAIT POSTS
HIDE BAIT POSTS
>HIDE BAIT POSTS
HIDE BAIT POSTS
>HIDE BAIT POSTS
HIDE BAIT POSTS
>>335964934
>Manny's the only non-criminal protagonist in the HM world
Evan
Beard
Martin (depends on interpretation)
>>335964934
Hammarin?
I mean that might not count since its autismo editor only
>>335964827
posting my shitty photoshop on /v/
nice
>>335966330
I thought that guy got shot in the dick
>>335966523
Evan Murdered a innocent guy. I kinda forgot about Beard for a moment, although that post was only for lolz.
Beard still in my top 5 fav. protagonists.
>>335966330
yep, mostly on reddit and most of them are shit but..there are a few half decent ones with mods and shit, www.reddit.com/r/hotlinemiamimaps
I was so enraged by this utter bullshit. You might as well had a "FUCK YOU FOR WANTING A SEQUEL YOU ENTITLED SHITS!!!" show up in the credits too. I felt so cheated at 12 fucking protags being introduced and most of them being killed before you even get to know their motives or personality. Pardo is the only 1991 character that gets an actual arc, and he only has 3 fucking levels, compared to the Fans with a whopping 5 where they're just sort of there until they die.
>>335966740
>member of a criminal syndicate and complicit in the torture and killing of Jake
>innocent guy
Evan even tries to resuscitate him afterwards and runs in yelling for an ambulance, completely ruining his element of surprise in the process.
>>335967015
>Died at the third floor
kek
>>335967190
Third floor death is canon. He's brought to the Hot & Heavy bathhouse and killed there, which you clearly see in HM1.
>>335966913
It doesn't excuse how bad it was but I think that may have been the point, Jacket inspired a bunch of crazies who won't ever be as influential or important as he was...but that's just a theory...
>>335966913
>entire game is hyped up to be about the fans and what they're doing now that Jacket is in prison
>copycat killers, pretty cool idea for a follow-up on something that wrapped up the entire story in the first game
>they get five levels
>killed off by a random mobster off his cock on DUDE DRUGS LMAO
somehow i don't feel like i did at the end of MGS2
>>335966786
I was sure, that someone here could gather some of the maps and get into one archive file.
Anyway, I won't complain. Better this, than nothing.
>>335966330
>alternate ending, where fans are busting out Jacket
I think I hate this cringey bullshit more than the actual ending. Jacket's gone, we're done playing with him. He himself considers it the end of his journey. Move on you fucking autists.
>>335967276
I know man. All these comments are jokes calm down.
>been literally over a year
>still no level editor
k
>>335966330
Have you got a link to the /tv/ map?
>>335967825
it's out
it's technically in beta but it's very functional
>>335967534
It's also retarded because Jacket would probably fucking hate The Fans. It's pretty clear he would be done with the killing if he was ever allowed out. He avenged Beard as best he could and he lost his hooker girlfriend due to the mess that was the killings. He'd be done.
>>335967825
Why do people keep saying that?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cl8efXSQ7Eo
>>335967825
Does beta version count?
>>335966330
That's the problem. I only saw screenshot.
Aw shit, this one >>335967981
>Beat game
>Untitled.mp4 plays
>Realize that's not a storm playing in the background
>Mfw it's one in the morning and I'm just staring at the screen tearing up a little.
The music in this game made the game feel surreal. Still tho, that ending,
>>335967873
>>335967981
>never officially released
>never past the beta stage
>not the full version promised by the developers
>crashing issues
I bet you fuckers buy Early Access with a smile, too.
>>335966330
GIVE ME THAT BANEPOSTING MAP RIGHT THE FUCK NOW.
>>335968105
From what I experienced, there are no crash issues. My only problem is that there is no workshop yet but goddamn I love the editor.
>>335968160
I am sorry, but I don't have it. Honest.
Ask anon from >>335967981
>>335968257
It's just a screenshot someone made for lols and posted. There's no actual map.
>>335968394
that sucks man.
>Come home friday to Hotline Miami thread
>Dust plays in the background
>>335967981
>You will never be talented enough to make a cool looking level in the editor
>make a cool level in the editor
>play it
>the game is slowed down
PLEASE TELL ME SOMEONE ELSE HAS THIS PROBLEM
>>335968956
Just you buddy.
>>335968889
b leaf in urself
>>335968956
This happened to me before. It goes away.
and so concludes the /hlm/ thread for the month, see you guys in may!
>>335969625
I just peeps to talk about HM with.
>>335969625
when is midnight animal coming out
Who is the best character and why is it Pardo?
>>335970094
>There are people in Payday 2 not playing as Jacket right now.
>>335970250
>There are people playing Payday 2 right now
>>335970094
>>335970406
http://dankmaymays.com/pardo/
>>335970579
thank you
>>335970579
Best background music for hanging out in /v/'s monthly Hotline Miami threads
>>335970579
I would pay at least 5 dollars for that background to be my Steam Profile background
>>335970094
>>335970250
sometimes i wonder why i stopped playing and then i remember i have this saved
what's the best song and why is it The Way
Home
>>335971328
trigger warning
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zIrPudC0pBg
>>335971328
>meme song The Way
>best song
Get some actual taste, fagget. It's a tie between Divide, Le Perv and Roller Mobster.
>>335971148
>Dodge builds
Wanka.
What was the signifigance of that level in the old 50 blessings HQ
>>335971328
my favorite are
>untitled
>voyager
>around
>ms.minnie
>guided meditation
I like the moodier tracks
Just a friendly reminder Pardo is a FRAUD and he was NOT born with thick skin
<---- proof
>>335971423
i liked burning coals
>>335971423
>calling someone's taste bad when roller mobster is anywhere near your top 5
this is bait i hope
>all these tracks named
>not posted
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MfbdxS9o4j0
>>335971541
>Not watching Manny Pardo Origins TV show explain all about his Thick Skin.
>>335963725
>The Universe
>The other Universe
Why the fuck haven't I seen this before?
>>335971541
DELETE THIS
>>335971409
For once, I think the trigger warning was justified.
After beating Dead Ahead on Hard Mode, I actually feel PTSD from listening to this. Call me a memester, but that is how I legit feel. This song brings back some goddamn bad memories holy fuck.
>>335971626
the weird noise in the back that starts at around 0:59 pisses me off
>>335971897
Go back to facebook.
Didnt even read your post, just saw your picture
>>335971897
for me it wasn't that hard, but holy shit fucking death wish on hard took me like 2 hours, specifically on corey's section
>>335971520
These are all 10/10 and you have pristine taste.
>>335972050
thanks man
>>335971497
What was the signifigance of the Pig mask guy, or the hard mode opening or Biker meeting some guy in the desert. The answer is and will always beIT'S ALL UP TO YOUR IMAGINATION IT'S JUST A GAME BROOOOOO
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xpYQ0kU12jo
Reminder that Withdrawal is the best level in HM2
>>335971328Run
>>335972009
Deathwish also made me wanna commit suicide
I replayed Corey's part and asked myself why I chose to beat it
Fucking hard mode. Felt so good to beat it tho
[spoiler[Masochist mode when[/spoiler]
>>335972228
>Withdrawal
>not Subway
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ICjD3f-8SXE
>>335972310
Subway is easily my second favorite
>>335972254
>>335972310
my niggas
>>335972305
i dont know how much harder they can make it. the enemies already have lightening fast reflexes on hard, so i guess they'd need perfect reactions
>>335972432
Great idea by a guy on Youtube
>>335969909
august
>>335973106
cant wait
>there are still people that don't realize Jake was the true hero
>>335973258
>HURR DURR DAMN COMMIES MANE
Richter and Beard were the only good guys
>>335973258
>there are still people that don't realize The Son was the true hero
>>335973526
Evan was good, he wanted the truth and done something with it.
>>335973928
Evan put himself and his family in danger over a fucking book
Richter was a true hero because he was fighting for his family's lives, while Beard was just following orders and didn't really want anything to do with the war.
>>335973925
>tfw you realize the Son legit did nothing wrong
He killed Colombians, corrupt cops, and random vigilantes. He actually did nothing wrong
>>335960896
I imagine the people who insist Richter did nothing wring as being the same people who somehow insist that Walter White did nothing wrong. Yes, Richter was trying to save the life of himself and his mother, but he did so by taking several hundred other lives, and utilitarian ethics teaches us that if the few must be sacrificed for the many, then so be it.
>>335974412
Richter was literally blackmailed his goddamn life to do so, along with his mom.
50 Blessings is fucked.
>>335974412
the vast majority were russian mobsters, prison guards on 50 Blessing's payroll, and insane sadistic prisoners. The only truly innocent person he kills is Hooker, and it clearly fucks him up.
>>335965253
>try to viral your game via leaked build and stream
except that wasn't ever the casesource: i have the leaked build
>>335974412
Except there was a point where Walter White was doing it purely for himself and putting his family in danger, where Richter is constantly fighting for his mother's safety.
>>335974339
Don't forget he avenged Henchman, who also did nothing wrong.
>>335974832
>Don't forget he avenged Henchman, who also did nothing wrong.
THIS
MY GOD, THE ONLY "BAD" GUY IN THE GAME DID FUCKING NOTHING WRONG
>>335974339
HE SOLD DRUGS
>>335974832
HE WAS STILL A FUCKING MOBSTER
>>335974523
. . . at which point he was morally obligated to take his own life. You are correct that the situation is rather fucked, but the sad fact is that a noble suicide on Richter's part would have been the most ethical solution.
>>335974576
Ethics starts to get pretty hazey once you say "the type of person XYZ is more worthy of life than the type of person ABC"
>>335974741
Richter's choice was fueled by selfishness as well. Choosing the life of two over the life of hundreds just because those lives are yours is a fundamentally selfish choice.
>>335974339
>Murdered and beat up the Columbian members sent to negotiate with him for peace
>Starts up another bloody war for his father's "legacy", something which Richard calls him out on
>Kills his own people in a drug induced high that ends with the total destruction of the Russian Mafia once again
>>335965657
>Driving on highway
>Roller Mobster starts playing
>>335974412
>>335974954
Do you think soldiers are obligated to kill themselves because they might take the lives of other people? Would that be the most ethical thing to do?
>>335974952
>selling drugs
>wrong
Consenting adults should be allowed to do as they like with their own bodies, anon.
>>335974954
His sickly mother would have no doubt been killed by 50 Blessings had he commit suicide. It is widely accepted by society that the lives of a few innocent people is worth more than a bunch of gang-bangers who make their living by preying on civilians. "Selfish" or not, it was the objectively better choice. It's not like it would have mattered if he hadn't killed them for 50 Blessings, they would have just sent another agent to do the job for him.
>>335975016
>>Murdered and beat up the Columbian members sent to negotiate with him for peace
>The whole fucking club was filled with armed man.
The were planning on killing Son there, smart-ass.
>>335975285
I'm talking about this opening scene.
>>335973526
Jake's disk is the key to stopping 50 Blessings.
>>335975365
It was a friendly interrogation.
>>335975160
Obviously not, after an individual enters the military they will be spending the next few years as a weapon moreso than as a person. If a soldier is ordered to participate in a raid, then the "murderer" in that situation is their superior officer, who was employing the soldier in the same way you or I would employ a gun. A gun is not responsible for the murders committed by its' wielder.
>>335975201
Your point about them sending another piece of canon fodder on the jobs anyway is a valid one, and in that case Richter's moral responsibility was to attempt to to neutralize the men blackmailing him. he would most likely die in the attempt, but he had an ethical obligation to at least try.
>>335975602
So should the commanding officer take his own life to prevent other people from dying?
>>335975602
>Richter's moral responsibility was to attempt to neutralize the men blackmailing him
Except he had no idea who that was up until the janitors came up to his face while he was prison and told him he was his pawn. The only thing he could do was follow his orders. And how is Richter a killer yet a soldier is a weapon? Both are ordered by a superior force to do things that involve killing people, except with 50 Blessings it runs the risk of death if you disobey your orders.
>>335975602
Why is the superior officer considered the murderer in that case, but 50 Blessings is not?
Why is a soldier considered a weapon, yet Richter is not?
>>335975558
>It was a friendly interrogation.
[citation needed]
>>335971328
That's not slum lord
>>335971328
Clearly it's Remorse.
>>335975763
The superior officer has a superior officer above him as well - this is a chain of command which goes all the way up to the Commander in Chief, a person who is (hopefully) trying to minimize the deaths of war.
>>335975856
>>335975940
A soldier is a weapon rather than person because they have undergone the reconditioning of training. Richter had not.
>>335975940
not him but i think it's because soldiers are commanded by official military leaders
>>335975365
Well obviously that left Colombian got sleepy while eating his spaghettios, so the other Colombian decided to tell The Son and his Russian buddies about his hardcore BDSM fetish.
>>335976087
Why does the soldier carry no moral responsibility compared to Richter?
>>335976087
So, going by that, the 50 Blessings member with military experience (Jacket) is less of a killer than the one without (Richter), because of his "reconditioning", yet one clearly shows more remorse and restrain in his killings than the other.
>>335976087
Correct me if I'm wrong here, but didn't 50 Blessings only recruit ex-soldiers that signed up? Wouldn't that imply Richter was a soldier at some point and therefore did undergo this conditioning?
>>335975602
>all these spooks
leghostbuster.jpg
Who launched the nuke?
It wasthe Colonelwasn't it....
>>335976636
russia obviously. the colonel was probably killed by secret service or something after killing the president of usa and russia
>>335976280
As I have already said, a soldier is not actually making decisions, but merely robotically obeying their commanding officer as they have been programmed to do.
>>335976292
>>335976326
The reconditioning is meant to condition soldiers towards absolute unquestioning loyalty and obedience towards their officers, country, and constitution. A random boss post-service is not a commanding officer, and thus not empowered by the reconditioning.
Additionally, I'd like to point out that >>335976092 makes a very good observation
>>335976636
Russia launched nukes on America because of the Colonels assassination of the Russian president, which was seen as an act of war, most likely by the overzealous command staff who had hated America for quite some time.my theory is only miami and hawaii were struck due to their connections with Russian-American tension and the rest of America is having some Red Dawn shit go on
>>335976636
If the Colonel was the leader of 50B, all he did was kill both presidents and try to overthrow the RAC. Russia saw it as an act of war so they launched their nukes first, though the US probably retaliated.
>>335976724
Are you saying if the soldiers could, they should have killed themselves?
>>335976724
>Unquestioning loyalty towards their country
>"50 Blessings is a foundation for patriots. Our members must fill out a form in which they state... That they're willing to die for the sake of our nation."
50 Blessings is clearly playing on the jingoism of the veterans who were conditioned into this blinding loyalty, hence why most 50 Blessings members are former military.
How far would you go to save your family under their orders?
Can we all agree that 50 Blessings (Janitors, not the Colonel) was right, but The Fans were just a bunch of thug kids looking for action?
I literally cannot stop listening to Escape from Midwich Valley send help
>>335976931
No, I have already addressed that point and specified otherwise.
>>335976986
No, the reconditioning of the military would not encourage someone to join a group trying to assassinate the POTUS.
>>335977392
>thug kids
they were in the military with Jacket and Beard.
>>335977469
>No
Why not?
>>335977469
>Would not encourage someone to join a group trying to assassinate the POTUS
That was the actions of the colonel. The Janitors clearly disagreed with his decisions, which is why they left the country when they found out what his plan was. The whole motives of 50 Blessings is a supremely pro-American organization and capitalize on the hate and fear these veterans would have against Russians, whom they fought against in the Hawaiian Conflict and likely other battlegrounds.
Who was the real villain character?
>>335975602
But the soldiers made the decision to join the military unless they were drafted, while Richter was threatened into following 50 Blessings' orders. I don't understand how that's a less legitimate reason.
Not that i agree with your point in the first place, you're saying he should have let his mother die when he could have saved her.
>>335978010
Def the Colonel
>>335977434
why limit yourself, m8?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HGzZ4SjFOLI
>>335978010
memes aside pardo is probably the worst person in the series
>>335978227
did he have a mental condition or was he just batshit insane?
>>335978369
Probably a mental condition, you don't crave attention so badly that you start hallucinating movie crews and create another persona to murder innocents.
It will never stop being funny to me that despite all his hatred for the Fans, Pardo only got to finish off a severely crippled Tony.
>>335978770
Honestly, how does his actions against all 90 Colombian gangsters on the boat go unnoticed while punks in masks killing random hooligans get more attention?
>>335977434
HE'S CHILDLIKE IN HIS SENSE OF KNOWLEDGE
HE'S CHILDLIKE IN HIS MENTAL KNOWLEDGE
THOUGH HE SPENT FOUR YEARS IN COLLEGE STILL HE'S CHILDLIKE IN HIS KNOWLEDGE
SO WE AGREE HE'S GUILTY AS CAN BE
>>335979239
Because they were wearing animal masks so it reminded people of the 1989 events i would guess.
>>335977262
I'm pretty weak so i doubt i'd even manage to kill one mobster and die on my first job.
>>335979390
oh so thaaaat's what they are saying at the end
>>335979594
i guess you were screwed anyways L o L
how do we make this hotline
>>335979813
Also the voices at the start of the song are from a John Carpenter movie, can't remember which one though.
>>335979981
Make it the Son about to kill Ash on the roof.
>>335979813
>>335979390
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZhhQrFfzFM4
I'm more interested in what the voice starting at 1:25 is saying, I can make out some numbers and the words "broadcast" and "technology" but not much else
I have been listening to Dust for the past 30 minutes non stop it has gotten to my head
>>335976092
>official military leaders
You have a child's understanding of morality and ethics. Militaries don't have some intrinsic moral justification to kill.
>>335977469
I think you may be overemphasizing the extent to which soldiers are conditioned. They are conditioned but they're not brainwashed. They may have less blame than, say, pardo, but so does Richter in that the intense emotional stress of wanting to protect your family can condition you in a sense to do terrible things. Your double standard makes no sense. The soldier's commanding officer and Richters blackmailer are equally to blame.
>>335980435
>This is not a dream... not a dream. We are using your brain's electrical system as a receiver. We are unable to transmit through conscious neural interference. You are receiving this broadcast as a dream. We are transmitting from the year one, nine, nine, nine. You are receiving this broadcast in order to alter the events you are seeing. Our technology has not developed a transmitter strong enough to reach your conscious state of awareness, but this is not a dream. You are seeing what is actually occurring for the purpose of causality violation.
>>335981017
>Henchmen in the room on the phones
>throws the phone
>screen pans to outside where the van comes in
>character select
>tfw
>>335982148
Sorry didn't mean to respond
>>335982148
>synchs perfectly to Sexualizer
>>335982601
This is a good feel
I made a level a few months ago, It's short, easy, and probably shit but I feel like someone should play it besides me.
https://mega.nz/#F!A8BizZqJ!R5m0DRI0MTzgKUY8f8KS2Q
I even made an MS paint cover for it.
Feel free to criticize
>>335976087
>A soldier is a weapon rather than person because they have undergone the reconditioning of training
That's retarded. a soldier's training has nothing to do with if the person is at fault or not.
>>335960896
he did everything to himself though
