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Do you think people will abandon the game if they don't fix it? I've already talked to some friends who are going back to BB/Ds2 because the current PvP balance is so crappy.
>>335912267
Yeah because r1 spamming isn't as prevalent in bloodborne
>>335912463
Because you can parry from range, it really isn't. Not that a cuck like yourself would know.
>>335912463
At least there's variety. I've been invading for the last hours in Archdragon Peak and all except two hosts were using either Dark Swords, Washing Pole or the curved great-sword from the exiled knights.
>>335912590
Woah, great usage the word cuck kiddo, you must be very mature.
You know, no-one here gives a fuck what games you and your little buddies play or how good you think you are at them.
>>335912935
Some ones fucking pissed. Lol!
>>335912698
guess you didn't play bloodborne until the DLC.
Even then most people in random invasions used rakuyo and the beast cleaver which both had amazing R1 spam and phantom range.
>>335913079
Not in the slightest, I've just finished work, been paid today and am looking forward to a well earned 3 day weekend making faggots like you mad because you don't know how to parry.
>>335912590
KEK KEK KEK |
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XDDD
>>335913458
How is any of that relevant. I think You just need a nap before you come online.
>>335913458
Parrying in BB is totally different from Dark Souls, which is why your comparison was a poor one you dumb cuck.
>>335913606
>damage control
>>335912463
R1 spamming is always common but in BB and all other games it just got you killed pretty quickly. Not sure if the issue now is that more new shitters are playing this game than any previous game or if it's more effective in this game.
>>335913652
Take a deep breath and count back from 10.
>people never pressed r1 in dark souls 1, 2 or bloodborne
>>335912267
They patch regularly. Every souls game has been broken on release (yes, including BB).
The only thing i'm pissed about now is that spears suck
>>335912267
>not using fist weapons to parry R1 spammers.
You deserve to lose.
>play DaS3 blind
>Darkwraith dropped a darksword
>thought it was a good sword so I use it
>infuse it with heavy, good scaling
>sword carried me as a side arm (maining zweihander)
>check /v/
>they shit on the darksword for being too good
>>335912267
fix what, retard?
you want them to remove light attack from the game or something?
>>335913925
Its not even the most meta weapon. Estoc is better in every way.
>>335913810
>make shit thread crying about how you're getting owned by cheap tactics
>someone points out this isn't a new problem
>OOOOOOO HE MAD
fucking faggot tbqh
Why would I want them to "fix" it? Whenever I see an R1 spammer I consider it a free win.
>>335912267
my high vit high end tank character would always just absorb every R1 hit and then punish with a claymore. PvP was fucking easy for me my first run
>>335914139
>he's so mad He needs to convince himself im op.
Holy shit dude you're having a breakdown.
>>335914229
>use shield
>parry is too slow, can never get it right
>switch to caestus
>parry is too quick, try predicting others but they literally don't start attacking until they're on top of me so I can never get it right
Usin' Bestoc since DS1. Fight me.
>>335912267
> going back to BB/Ds2
Talk about plebs.
I already have friends back on DaS, that's where it's at m8. Ppl still discover interesting tec on that game.
>>335912267
>Do you think people will abandon the game if they don't fix it?
Already have, m8. Between the horrible balance and the gigantic shit they took on invasions I don't see the point in playing until From fix their shit.
>tfw use the dark sword because its a great sidearm weapon for a strength build
>literally everyone uses it online because of minmaxing
There's not a whole lot I can do against curved sword or katana uses who just run away from my Zwei, baiting out attacks and just doing running attacks over and over again. Its also pretty hard to parry the Katana running attack on reaction.
I just wish another straight sword became a meme weapon instead of the Dark Sword.
>>335914496
I still haven't had a fucking issue with estocs.
>hear people whine about estoc
>think there's something I'm missing when dueling people using it
>nope, just braindead R1 spam
>promptly shit on them since R1 spam can be parried and spammers are shit players
Scrub tactics work on scrub players.
>>335914975
I'm a pretty decent DaS1 player and I have yet to have much problems with katanas with my clay mainly because I am the one baiting their running r1's for a parry.
>>335915070
Estoc user =/= R1 shitter
DeS Estoc was the only weapon in the series worth a fuck and not a single weapon has come close to the pinnacle it made 7 years ago.
>>335915413
That is quite the statement, anon.
>>335915784
No him, but it's true.
It's the only weapon consistently good in all games.
>>335912267
Downloading DS3 now with the 1.04 patch. What can I expect?
>Invade super ganksquad of 4 R1 spammers
>Oh boy
>Throw carthus rouge on warden twinblades
>Iron flesh
>They all rush me
>It's time
>Spin right into them as their attacks bounce off
>Host immediately drops dead from bleed
>Clap as the phantom's attacks continue to bounce off me
>he isn't playing L2+R2 Souls
>>335915413
>>335915784
it's true. There have been multiple writeups on /v/ about how the DeS Estoc is the most perfect weapon in the franchise.
>>335915784
It is.
>Medium damage.
>No r1 infinites, and weak as a frame trap.
>Bloke r1 is solid, but BS punishable and easy to parry.
>R2 combos into r1 or f+r1; not very good move, but leads into good damage.
>Dashing R1 combos into R2; dangerous and slow but leads to huge damage.
>F+r1 has hyper armor and stuffs running BS.
>Rolling r1 combos into r1 or f+r1.
>Rolling r1 is a rock solid poke and spacing tool that can be roll BSed on reaction if baited.
>Off-hand Kat adds 1 attack per combo (dash r1, r2, l1, r1 --or-- roll r1, l1, r1, etc).
>Off-hand Kat adds the perfect amount of offense in exchange for defense.
>Works the same in both stances.
>Combos are always unique swings.
Basically rock solid spacing, can't r1 spam, good defensive moves, good offensive moves, slower moves lead to bigger reward, off-hand weapon increases damage, one hyper armor move to stifle bullshit. It's fucking perfection m8. It's the only fucking weapon with a proper combo system in the series.
>>335912267
Stunlock only lasts for 2 hits. R1 is only going to get you parried by someone that isn't a complete retard.
>>335917517
Estoc can attack faster than the parry. I have killed so many parry fishers with r1 spam
The problem is the dps of lonswords and estoc compared to greatswords
>>335916404
all these games are roll + one button regardless.
overrated as absolute fuck.
>>335916404
man, that thing fucks my shit up.
>>335917809
>block first hit
>immediately parry
Works 90% of the time if your timing is right
Have i just had godly luck? in all my time fighting people ive run into like 3 dark sword users and they were all garbage who went down to my claymore easily.
Holy shit, it's hilarious invading the high wall and settlement with Yhorme's Funchete and Dragonslayer greataxe at level 13. Shitters just can't handle the two hit stunlock at that level. And to think they said twinking was dead.
>>335917961
Almost nobdy can parry. If you get hit twice he will either roll or parry. If he parries just attack after the animation twice again if he rolls just walk two steps and let the 180 no scope tracking of estoc stab them to death.
Fast weapons are broken. I can pull the same shit with te longsword just not as fast.
Using things like the zwei is stupid since it has less than 100 extra damage than the longsowrd but the longsword has 4 times the dps and less than half stamina cost
>>335917809
No it doesn't. It's been tested retard. If they queue a parry after your second hit, it will parry the estoc. Weapon speed correlates to recovery time after the second hit, which is why you should always queue a parry for r1 spam.
>>335918208
Even the most broken weapons in the world mean nothing in the hands of a shitter who just hopped on a bandwagon and doesn't know how to use it.
>>335918374
In a perfect world with no lag sure
>>335914071
I dont get the estoc man
I tried it and I could never get the run downs, moveset felt too limiting.
Now straight swords I can understand. Longsword and its clones have an incredible moveset (stance and charging r2s makes me moist) and can work well both against ganks and in honorabru duels
>>335918562
Parry and rolls are localized you fucking retard.
>>335918562
If there's lag the parry still works, they just also take damage too
>>335918661
The only fucking retards are the guys who try to parry spam and cant keep up with my estoc. All you have to do is wait a millisecond after the second hit
>>335913758
The issue is that most weapons are dogshit, and the few that are good (not even OP again most weapons are just bad for pvp and pve) are pretty braindead and R1 spam is the best they have got.
I'd rather r1 spam than the retarded curazze shit. Although stuff like the farron greatsword is strong. weapons with basic movesets without amazing scaling or great R1s just can't compete.
We aren't at noobstick levels of r1 spam like demons though, but even then that was an OP weapon, and demon's has plenty of good weapons as an alternative.
>>335918840
If you queue it during the second hit, it will parry the 3rd hit every time.
>invader presses attack button
>I get hit and die
WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOW
>>335918979
Fine, keep getting buttblasted by my estoc. Watch einsle destroy guys for half an hour with it.
>>335918883
I completely shit on people with great machete, mornes hammer and dragonslayer sword spear though.
Maybe you should git gud and use your weapon for its strengths, like hyper armor or long range pokes
It was L1 Souls for me
>>335918268
That's because you're playing with shitters. Also hyper armor is a thing, something like the Fume UGS will be able to trade hits and fuck you up with a couple of hits.
>>335919104
I don't get but blasted by it. I have not once lost to a long sword or estoc player 1v1.
>>335919135
Its isnt just about pvp
Its about the most basic weapns like shortswords being easier to use and more effective than pretty much everything rlse. Makes the game a joke
>>335912267
I've never talked to anyone going back to Ds2 ever.
>>335913458
Lol this nigga
>tfw I'm low hp
>the host is about 40%
>clutch parry
>it's only partial
>get the riposte anyway
>look at hp while in the animation
>4
>>335912267
>playing souls for the pvp
you faggots will always crack me up
how about playing a competitive game instead of one where the only pvp you can speak of is basically cheesing or griefing?
The games have always been "press R1 to win". There are two attack buttons, and strong attacks are terribly predictable. Kicks are more effective now than ever. You can throw in L2s as well for special contextual attacks.
>>335919275
So? When you git gud any setup is easy. I just completed an eygon cosplay ng++ playthrough last week. Most I died to a boss was once (got cocky with dancer and princes)
>>335912267
It's so retarded how Vitality gives a basic defense boost instead of scaling with armor. They could have balanced some armor with high base defense and others with high scaling to make them more viable in higher new game plus runs and give you more incentive to upgrade vitality, maybe even make the fatroll threshold 60%. Strength shouldn't give base defense either and it would make more sense for it to give some inherent poise so dex isn't so much better.
seriously, heavy armor is as worthless as demon's souls now in higher new game plus. The base defense bonus from str and vit are insane when you level them both. Having it scale would let you save titanite on armor, make you invest in a stat for good armor so upgraded armor isn't OP first playthough, and scale better for new game plus runs. Not to mention making armor choices more interesting overall.
>>335919635
Smough's gives around 50% absorb when full. That's pretty significant
>>335912590
>cuck
h-hey guise i used it again! am i cool yet /pol/?!
>>335919635
>armor
>getting hit
>>335914849
Invading isn't hard though. Trolling the hosts into getting smashed by the giants outside of pontiff is fun as fuck.baby couldn't git gud
Someone explain this R1 meme.
>>335919352
I bet you play ASSFAGGOTS and think you're hot shit kiddo. At least Souls PvP is fun to fuck around with gimmick builds
>>335919635
Armor is good to stop from going below 0% absorb when using god tier rings like bloodring
>>335919708
Oh shit, really? Time to Smough cosplay.
Where's Ornstein's armor tho?
>>335913630
>BB: press r2 when enemy swings
>DaS: press r2 when enemy swings
Yeah pretty different. Nice autism.
>>335919804
Have played any souls games? Basically, r1 is the "light" attack and r2 is "heavy" while l2 is a special move.
People are mad because spamming r1 will stunlock someone into death. Normally there are supposed to be ways of avoiding such a situation, like using the stat that would make your character flinch less when hit but that doesn't seem to work anymore.
>>335919937
After Nameless King
I invaded two guys in Irithyll cosplaying as O&S, shit was pretty cool
>>335914229
You have to either get hit twice on purpose and spam the parry button on the third hit or parry when they finish their forward rolling animation. Works 90% of the time and you'll send those babies to an early grave.
>>335920240
But that's literally wrong, you can always roll after 2 hits, you can never stunlock people to do death
>>335920240
Oh ok.
I never played any of the Dark Souls games because literally every single webm looks like an atrocious clusterfuck. Funny to see my suspicions were accurate.
>>335919838
I'm not saying to go naked, just that like demon's there is no incentive to wear anything that puts you over fast roll, and the difference of armor is minuscule. Obviously you should wear something for fashion and damage absorption, which is a stupid system.
>>335919806
Then don't fucking complain about it not being balanced
>>335920471
> I have never played demon's souls are any souls game at a high level
There's plenty of ways to deal with R1 fags
>Get a shield and poke with a spear
>Black flame
>Chaos fire orb
>Delayed attacks
>Horse Hoof ring + Knight slayer ring
>Firebombs
>Kunai knives
>Bleed resin
>Rope bombs
>Lightning and magic urns
>Heavy soul arrow, farron dart
>Force, Wrath of the gods
>Longbow, crossbows and greatbows
>>335920751
>what is toggle escaping
>>335920751
>Souls at high level
Lmao what the actual fuck?
In DaS 3 you always get toggle escape after the second hit you dumbass
>>335920909
>>335921060
What does "toggle" escape mean?
>>335912267
I've been using and upgraded Bandit Dagger, get wrecked
>Two-handed, or skill shield
>Side step in
>Go to town on them with bleed damage
>/v/ acting like the rekt people
you guys are shit. every time i get invaded by a meme /v/ name i kill them so easily its not even fun
>>335920616
It really only matters in pvp. Some argue that is matters for pve because the enemies are faster in this one and it's hard to get a charged heavy attack in. That's when "super armor" comes into play and your character takes less damage during a heavy animation. The problem is that this effect applies more to the bigger, slower weapons and not the smaller, faster weapons. So what you end up with is people with rapiers/katanas/short swords spamming the fast attack since attempting anything else will most likely get you killed (or at least take masdive damage for an attack that deal proportionally less damage.
>Poise literally LOCKED AT ZERO, fucking over greatsword users
>straight sword horseshit still hasn't been dealt with
>magic fucking unviable until level 80 or at least a 35/35 stat
>still pretty shit even then, not asking for broken magic, just basic fucking decent damage for build variety
DaS sure is fucking set on people only using three basic types of builds. It's fucking disgusting and it's why I can't bring myself to more than 100 hours when I have 500+ in every other game.
>b-but git gud, you can use weapons that aren't the best!
There's no reason to when you can R1 to victory
There is literally no reason balance issues are still this much of a thing when BB has every weapon completely viable and good from start to finish
>>335921131
In DaS 1 switching your offhand weapon allowed you to escape stunlocks
>>335921131
Oh, so you admit you don't know what you're talking about? Good to know.
>>335920471
I was trying to explain it to someone who has never played the series.
>>335920716
If the PVP is more balanced, it's more fun for everyone because there's more build diversity
>>335921512
Oh ok. Weird jap games with their glitches.
>>335919710
Stop getting triggered just because you're in a "open" relationship, Neofag.
>>335913079
>Lol!
Who ARE these people?
>rollspamming L1 with Gotthards twin swords
It's just too easy
i put like 40 points in poise but nothing is chaning, whats going on?
does it work only with a certain armor/weapon set combo?
>>335922182
Poise does literally objectively metaphorically nothing.
Is blue sentinels and blades of the darkmoon still broken?
still not being summoned
>>335922283
but why ;_;
>>335912267
>complaining about pvp balance
>using a picture that cries about r1 spam and dank/katana/estoc users
Every time I see someone using any of those three, they get blown the fuck out. I'm not sure what you're complaining about.
>>335913458
>I'm not mad you FAGGOT
Jesus, dude.
>>335912267
>I've already talked to some friends who are going back to BB/Ds2 because the current PvP balance is so crappy.
I am already back in Ds2 and i am making a greathammer build as we speak that i will combine with a poisoned spear in the offhand for maximum hilarity.
>>335922289
From tried to fix it by increasing the level ranges you could help out, but that was never the problem. Limiting your helpful invasions to people wearing Way of the Blue, a covenant that has no ranks or rewards, means only a tiny fraction of people can ever be helped, and those are mostly at 1-15 level ranges before you reach any other covenant item. From can mess with the level range all they want, it's the summon conditions that are broken.
>>335922474
its STR shitters crying because they cant parry them
>>335923019
>can't parry
>when caestus exists
>not the fact that there's no poise in the game
I love memeing
>>335919173
>twf using these with a weapon-skill shield
No one ever expects the dual-wield spin slash outta fucking nowhere.
>>335922289
wondering about the same thing here.
didnt they supposedly increase the summoning range in the last patch?
pls dont tell me the blueberry/faron summon system is FACTUALLY broken at its core
like many speculated.
I'm sitting here at 12 concords after hundreds of knights at 474item discovery and I fucking cant go on, I need to be able to get at least some concords from fucking pvp.
>>335919173
Where do you get these?
Jesus this thread is retarded.
Do you complain about Call of Duty being R2 spam too?
I mean, congratulations, you found the attack button.
Oh boy this sure is a great meme you've got here for yourself anon ;)
>>335922876
I'm freezing my new character at lvl 25 with a +1 weapon for now, no summons at crucifixion woods in almost an entire day of idle waiting as I did some reading.
Should I go to one of the older zones?
Where the fuck do I get summoned?
>>335923356
Dual katana guy after Grande Archives
>>335923373
When the weapon you're holding has more than one way to attack, yes.
It's spam.
Think fighting games but less diverse moveset.
Spam is spam.
>>335923373
Why do people who miss the basic conceptual point of an argument even post
Is it just for (You)s?
>>335916404
hey what's that circle buff under your endurance bar, I keep seeing it everywhere
thanks.
who /Gundyr's Halberd/ here?
>>335922439
Because then le epic straight swords, katenas and memestocs might actually not be the greatest weapons in the game and we can't have that
>never played a souls near launch until I got 3
>usually had to wait for a fucking while if I wanted to summon or get summoned
>mfw getting summoned almost constantly
This is amazing
>>335923564
>pvp balance is shit
>because retards use easily countered moves and lose immediately to anyone who knows what they are doing
Is OP complaining because he uses estoc? Everyone who isn't just as bad shouldn't give a shit about r1 spammers.
>>335923539
>fighting game
>person spams one attack
>loses to everybody
>souls game
>person spams one attack
>loses to everybody
Who cares?
>>335913458
wageslave cucklord
>>335918374
I tried this, and it doesn't work. Spammed caestus parry after 2nd hit, and I just got R1'd to death.
>>335912267
it wouldn't be that bad if Parry wasn't tied to a fucking stat
>Outplay some guy
>He lands the guaranteed two hits, plus one more due to netcode and lolphantomrangekek
>He just keeps mashing R1 and keeps landing magical hits
>Takes away like 90% of my HP
>Swings from a mile away and kills me, after I kicked his ass for the entire match
So you don't give a weapon class that good of an attack spam barrage if you KNOW your fucking game's online is infamous for having a bunch of bullshit lag. The fact that straight swords can deal the same damage as ultra greatswords and other large weapons in a safer and more reliable way is fucking absurd. It has always been that way, but you'd think after five, FIVE fucking games, they'd get it right at least once.
>>335924712
Spamming R1 definitely doesn't make you lose to everybody.
PvP is imbalanced as fuck right now, tipping heavily towards fast weapons.
They just need to do some tweaking.
I'd like to see some stamina or damage penalty for not using more than one move.
A combo damage bonus, as opposed to stable high damage by hitting one button.
It's the same balance team as DS2, so Straight Swords will undoubtedly be nerfed like it happened to FAI and Santier's Spear. As soon as they noticed how braindead they are.
>>335925421
>It has always been that way
Not it hasn't. Did you even play Demons Souls? The damage on the DBS was absurd and well justified it being so slow.
>>335912267
>BB/Ds2 because the current PvP balance is so crappy
This is not a fucking MMO or actually an online based game, you creep. No one is going back to previous games just for pvp.
>>335923605
FP regen
>Tarkus cosplay done
>Pyromancer sort of done
>Lucky Dex build is on the way
What should I play next. Maybe a character that focuses on using the Drang weapons?
>>335916457
>>335916457
>>335916457
/v/ also says dark souls 2 is shit JUST
>>335926297
What weapon did you use for Tarkus build?
I've been invading as a "stealth" character in Catacombs and I've been having a blast.
>>335926616
Greatsword and Executioner's
>>335925415
what?
>>335925421
They don't need to "get it right" because you keep buying them anyway, kiddo.
>>335914071
Estoc would be literally perfect if it had a kick.
But alas, it doesn't. So it's trash.
>>335921506
>Poise literally LOCKED AT ZERO
play the fucking game, shitter
>>335916404
*tracks behind you*
>>335927828
>that lag
>>335927776
the stat is visible but its turned off
>>335922723
I can only hope you're pairing it with the Sanctum Mace.
>tfw poison builds will NEVER EVER be useful again
>>335929102
We'll never have a game with both Poison and Bleed at their prime. At least Bleed makes Lucky builds fun.
>another R1 spam thread
ngggggggggggggh
terribly funny how sonyggers are pushing this meme when bloodborne was EVEN MORE R1 SPAM the game.
What's good about Estoc compared to the rest of the fencing swords?
>>335929507
range
has sweeping attacks too
plain old damage
>>335929507
Everything
>>335913458
You sound like a literal cuck, you inbred.
are katanas good? I want 2 be an edgelord
Had no issues to be quite honest. fampaitachi.
Is refined the best infusing for the lucerne?
Using it and broadsword for my fundamentals build.
>>335912267
>Thinking dark souls pvp is good.
Just play the great pve
>>335919806
>I bet you play ASSFAGGOTS
invading right now is literally assfaggots but worse if you havent noticed yet
>>335922876
This
Whoever on the "A Team" decided a shitty Covenant that offers no rewards gets to dictate the efficiency of TWO covenants needs to be hit in the head with a fucking brick.
>>335927776
How are you going to tell someone to play the game when the stat is turned off? Do you even own the game?
>>335935917
Hyper armor is effectively poise, so it's not 'literally locked at 0'
