Can we all agree DS3 had the best atmosphere out of the 3 games?
Sure, Untended Graves and Anor Londo were rehashes, but they were also incredibly memorable and actually left an impression.
>Finding Giant Blacksmith death
>Finding an empty Darkmoon Tomb and no Gwynevere to welcome you after Aldrich
>Lone Handmaiden sitting in the dark Shrine
>Gundyr's soul description
>Cutest firekeeper of the trilogy that make you want to DO IT FOR HER, especially after finding the Firekeeper's eyes
DS1 needed the DLC to feel complete, and DS2 was atrocious without the DLC. DS3 felt like a more complete game right out of the box.
>best atmosphere
>ehy guys remember THESE old games: the game
>>335904913
>callbacks are now rehashing
>>335904913
Exactly, and they nailed it.
>>335904913
>i'll play a game in a series but get upset when the other games in this series are touched upon
Most of the characters objectively have the least dialogue in the series and there are re-used assets everywhere. The atmosphere is shit.
>>335904968
>>335904998
>>335905012
>reusing silver knights, black knights, anor londo, half of past games weapons and armors isnt rehashing
Also reusing the same npcs isn't "touching upon" more like "we ran out of fucking ideas let's reuse the same characters"
Probably all of you fucks havent played DeS so you know the extent of le epic callbacks that is has. The firelink keeper is a copy of the Maiden in Black.
>>335905119
>resusing Goombas, Koopas and half of past games power-ups
Wooooow.
>>335905119
I'll play DeS when I can on a PC or a PS4. I never owned a PS3 and I'm not getting it just for Demons.
>>335905184
Then congratulations, a lot of the game's ideas will seem original to you when they actually aren't. It's better that way i suppose.
>best atmosphere
>remember this area? now it's empty DEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEP
They did it in bloodborne with the hunters dream
No way in hell, the atmosphere was very lacking in my opinion, there was something fake feeling about a lot of it. I think the world design this time around was much more focused on creating a path for the player as opposed to DaS1 where it felt like a world that already existed and you forged your own path through it.
DaS1 is at least 10 times better than 3 ESPECIALLY in the atmosphere department, not being able to warp for the first half of the game significantly helps that.
Also, they ruined Andre, he had no business being in this game and it honestly bothers me that they just threw him in there like that for no reason.
>>335905248
what is this?
hello?
>>335904759
Is dark souls worth getting into?
For the last 10 years I haven't really played a lot of video games except the random strategy game and a few of the more popular FPS games that I've gotten for cheap.
I never looked into DS.
Is it worth buying?
Does it matter what game I start with?
>>335905368
>For the last 10 years I haven't really played a lot of video games
Classic /v/ user
You'll fit right in here
>>335905368
Play Dark Souls and then don't touch the sequels unless you really want to.
>>335905368
They're good games. You can skip 2 as it's pretty mediocre, but play 1 before 3 atleast.
I haven't played BB but DeS is also excellent.
>>335905431
>>335905436
>>335905456
Thanks dudes.
>>335905368
They're fun if a little overhyped. There's flaws, despite people claiming otherwise, but they do a lot of good shit too
Start with Demon's if you have a PS3 or DaS1
>>335905524
>Owning a Console
>>335905602
>not being an idort
>>335905602
>missing out on games
On one hand I LOVE the combinations of NPCs and locations from past games being fused together,
Eygon being Garl/Lautrec is fucking sweet
Irythllian dungeon is 3-1 and Sen's combined
LOTS of Demon's Souls direct references to weapons and levels
But Its too fast, Dark Souls isn't Bloodborne, theyre different fucking games that play completely differently. Dark Souls doesnt work well when all of the enemies you fight are literally copypasted from a high speed action game
>>335905512
Don't skip part 2 if you like the first game.
It's an epic meme to shit on DS2. /v/ loves being all contrarian like that.
>>335905243
and if actually makes sense in Bloodborne, the fucking eldritch horror game
>>335906241
it's clear that miyazaki loved working for Bloodborne more than he did for the Souls games. He wants the game to be fast.
His new IP will be more like BB, maybe even fucking crazier.
>>335905512
Start with Demon's Souls if you can.
You'll regret starting with a different one and going back to it afterwards.
>>335905119
Yeah I wished they toned down the rehashing. Its cool for 5 minutes and thats it.
>>335904759
Untended Graves would have been cooler if they hadn't already done it in Bloodborne.
>warp away from hub
>find that area in the actual world
>it's abandoned
>>335906567
>get b team to do a game
>positive: actually new ideas, gameplay improvements and quantity
>negative: world is utterly fucked, weird design choices
>get miyazaki to do a game
>positive: world is masterfully crafted
>negative: ehy kids remember THIS guy/place/twist
Why can't we get best of both worlds
>>335906360
His next game is armored core fampalam.
>>335906462
What's the point of calling it Dark Souls if it doesn't contain Dark Souls?
>>335904759
We can't agree on that because 1 has the best atmosphere by a mile.
Excuse me but I can't afford this game yet, can you please stop making any type of thread related to this game until I can play it too? Thanks
>>335906780
it's a new IP so no
>>335906767
We did
Its called Bloodborne
>>335906785
Its fine to reference past games but literally reusing multiple same areas is boring and tired as far as design goes. It reeks of laziness.
Say what you what about DS2 but at least we got brand new areas.
>>335906849
From has a new IP in the works.
He wants to make a new mecha game.
>>335904759
I agree. The end got a DeS feeling which I loved. I personally find DaS 3 to be the best Dark souls.
>>335905512
play 2. its worth it.
>>335906952
Armored Corps
>>335907046
Discard this guy and you're good to go.
>>335904759
In Dark Souls? Sure. But it hasn't got shit on BB.
>>335904759
DaS3 kind of disappointed me, but I think it's just because everything in the game had been done already in other games of the series by that point, it didn't really add anything new other than weapon arts, which are quite a disappointment compared to trick weapons IMO.
The biggest issue I have is the setting, this is the 4th game to have the same medeival setting which has gotten incredibly stale. Not just that, but each area follows a theme that has already been previously done.
>village
>church
>forest
>swamp
>castle
>firey area
>catacombs
It follows the exact same themes as what we've seen 3 or 4 times before and no area other than Irithyl really stuck out to me, and when you actually get inside Irithyl the level design is incredibly linear and disappointing.
>>335906878
>We did
>Its called Bloodborne
>bloodborne
>the 3 hour game with abysmal build variety and DOA pvp
its a good game, but lets not pretend it's THAT great. it has huge issues which i think come from being rushed and unfinished, leading to the Chalice dungeons, which are basically filler for unused content. (they were only revealed like what, a month before release?)
it also has the same issue DaS3 has, which is samey areas with samey lighting because there's global lighting instead of per-area
>>335907135
>le dark souls 2 is bad meme
yes yes you fit in, you can stop now
The high points are great but the majority of the areas in the game are bland as fuck.
>>335906846
Ahem
I was kind of disappointed by how short Anor Londo was.
I mean I get it, but if you were gonna rehash it then go all the way not just the main hall.
>>335907572
There's just too many of them at this point desu
DeS, DS1 and DS2 were so similar already, it makes sense it will start to get old. It's a shame we didn't have more variety in 3.
>>335906767
>implying
You know that Dark Souls 3 was b-team right?
>>335907772
I also would have enjoyed the chapel rafter dash again.
>>335907392
>played the netcode test
>pre-ordered and got it day one
>played it for days straight and wouldn't even check the internet to avoid spoilers
It's shit.
It was your first Souls game so you didn't have standards, but it's got nothing on DaS1.
Or DaS3, which really feels like a worthy sequel.
Keep your shit opinions to yourself, newfriend.
I just beat the game, didn't find Champion Gundyr and Nameless King so I guess I'm a huge explosive faggot. I gotta say tho Irythill Dungeon was the most intense experience I had in a Souls game.Soul of Cinderwas a cool and actually challenging boss, and I appreciated the callback.
I can't shake the feeling that DaS2 felt more like a journey to really twisted places and scenarios more so than DaS3. In DaS3 the setting of a truly broken wasteland doesn't feel as much as Drangleic's "life went on differently"
>>335908414
those are some nice buzzwords and opinions, too bad you didnt explain them at all.
DaS1 is better in many aspects. but DaS2 has its own merits. stop trying so hard to fit in
>>335908414
>waaaaaah
>stop liking what I don't like
>the internet cool club on /v/ must know I'm a hardcore gamer like them
This is what you sound like. Also if you thought it was so horribly shitty, why did you play it for that long. Surely a man of such refined taste would have dropped it after a few hours of courtesy play.
>>335905119
>>335905238
You mean go back and play King's Field
>Tfw big weapons are garbage
>Best way to play the game is to literally just upgrade the longsword
>>335905119
They really fucked Andre over, he was one of my favorite characters from the original and they just took away all his significance and threw him in.
>>335905119
>getting mad about seeing cool shit rendered in glorious improved graphics
Yeah, I don't see the problem.
>>335904759
No fucking way the atmosphere was best out of the games when every area fits your gray-brown description. The game lacks forrest level real bad.
There is nothing in DaS3 that looks even half at atmospheric as depressed knight's lighthouse from DaS2.
>>335905180
Comparing this to autism nintendo mario spin-off game #16 wasnt a good idea, anon.
>>335909027
Yup and people will sit here and say "oh I beat game with UGS git gud" and the problem isn't that you can't beat the game with different weapons, but there is literally no fucking reason to do it. Since they took away poise there is no added benefit to using a heavy weapon because the lightest shit in the game can just endlessly stagger and dish out huge damage.
I wanted to make a comparison so I restarted Dark Souls and have been only using the longsword and it is nowhere near as OP as 3's longsword, it's fucking retarded. Starting out as knight is literally just the easy mode of the game, you can go right out of the gate as a new player without ever finding any different equpiment or armor and you will be fine, fuck you don't even have to upgrade your vitality either because now you can fastroll in full knight armor.
It's retarded.
>From has new IP in works
>probably be another console exclusive
>have to tolerate shit frame rates again if I want to play
Well, at least I got to play some good games on PC before he went back to his babby console.
>best atmosphere
>everything is rehashes or fanservice
lol no, it's the most bland and boring with no original thought or experience to be had
>>335909542
>he doesn't want to see his favorite stuff in superior graphics
Do yourself a favor and go play the old games again. They look ugly as shit. Don't let nostalgia blind you.
>>335908627
>muh fit in
nice fallacy
>>335908649
I spent 60 bucks on it, and it's a game from one of my favorite franchises, of course i finished it.
Don't reply to me again you fucking retard, you clearly can't think for yourself.
>>335909446
I find hyperarmor much more broken than poise in PvP. When I saw a tank in DaS2 with big ass weapon, I would equip +poise damage ring and two hand my weapon. That way I was sure to break the poise with running attack. Now as long as the sword is traveling forward, you wont stop it, making trading fucking horrible. Its like that lightsaber ultragreatsword from DaS2. If it start swinging, it deals the damage even if its interrupted. Now all UGS do that.
>>335909496
armored core soon fellow fromfans
hopefully they can take a break from making a million souls
>That fucking grab tracking on mimics
Was it always that bad? I can't remember
>>335909753
yes.
>>335909697
>Dark Souls 3 not looking like shit
You dont play these games for the graphix, anon
>>335909753
I've literally never been grabbed by a mimic in DS3 and I've full cleared it 5 times.
>>335908414
>more bosses
>more weapons
>more build variety
>powerstance
>interesting story and lore with actual themes
>better environments (boohoo an elevator goes to a volcano who cares)
>not broken poise and hyper armour
DS2 is easily the best in the series and if you include the DLC it's no contest.
>>335909697
I don't fucking care about the old stuff, a game blatantly pandering to their nostalgia-addled customers is honestly kind of embarrassing and lame as shit.
I didn't buy Dark Souls 3 so I can just get a rehash of Dark Souls, if I wanted Dark Souls I would buy Dark Souls.
>>335909753
>tracking
What? The problem is how fast it is. If you R1 with a straight sword while it's not doing anything and it decides to grab you right when you press the button, you're fucked. It makes taking the initiative scary and risky as fuck.
>>335909906
DELETE THIS 2 IS SHIT SHIT
>>335904759
Nope.
>>335910104
That's one of the traits of the enemy. To safely attack it you need to wait for it to move first. This is not a fucking surprise.
>>335908414
>It was your first Souls game so you didn't have standards, but it's got nothing on DaS1.
If I held up a pink card and a crimson card, could you possibly tell the difference between them with those thick rose-tinted glasses you're wearing?
>>335909906
Scholar of the First Sin was easily the best game in the series.
However I wouldn't say Dark Souls 2 was particularly good when it just came out.
>>335910193
It hardly makes for interesting fights, and it definately doesn't work that way for a lot of other enemies.
>>335910059
>a game blatantly pandering to their nostalgia-addled customers is honestly kind of embarrassing and lame as shit.
So the original Dark Souls?
>>335904759
No, das3 is essentially
>hey guys it's a sequel to das1 but everyone is fucking dead
>>335904759
DaS1 has still a better atmosphere, despite shitting itself in the second half.
At least DaS3 manages to beat DaS2, though it's still not as good as it should have been.
Also, they completely shat the bed with the lore, or lackthereof. It's actually worse than 2 in this regard. That does play a part in "atmosphere", unless you think atmosphere means only taking pretty screenshots.
The worldbuilding is almost completely missing, and I assume they reserved all the relevant bits of the story for the DLC, which is a shit practice in itself.
Another game that will have to be $100+ to be complete.
>>335910271
(You)
>>335909906
>more bosses
>more weapons
quality over quantity
DaS1 and 3 have much more memorable bosses
>more build variety
literally same build variety as 1 and 3
>powerstance
the only thing they did right
>interesting story and lore with actual themes
shit lore that ruined the series, proof is that they barely mention DaS2 in DaS3, because it fucked the lore.
>better environments (boohoo an elevator goes to a volcano who cares)
forgetable environments with the worst level design of the series
>not broken poise and hyper armour
They didn't fix poise.
They replaced a problem with a problem, because wearing heavy armor almost has no improvement in poise and defense.
It's just as bad.
>>335904968
There were way too many callbacks. The game lacks a lot of its own lore for too much needless DaS1 callbacks that make no sense. Its retarded that Catarina is still around, for example.
>>335904913
why play a sequel if you don't want a continuation of the previous games? are you of sound mental health?
>>335909906
>more bosses
more than 80% of which are ridiculously boring, generic and unimaginative
>more weapons
more than 80% of which are ridiculously sameish, dull or just flat out useless
>more build variety
in a game with objectively inferior gameplay mechanics and changes
>powerstance
useless gimmick when you could just 2H and spam R1 and do better DPS with far better recovery timings
>story and lore
who fucking cares
>better environments
like 3 areas are great, others are boring uninspired messes with extreme linearity and garbage enemy placement
>not broken poise and hyper armour
Well this is just blatantly stupid.
The "poise" in 2 was useless.
where the fuck do I go after anor londo?
>>335910271
Artorias of the Abyss>Scholar of the First Sin
The only memorable thing about SotFS is burnt ivory king.
>>335910502
I was expecting something more like Dark Souls 2, where the events and characters of Dark Souls 1 laid the foundation for new characters and new themes.
At least Scholar of the First Sin did that.
>>335910585
>The only memorable thing about SotFS is burnt ivory king.
You forgot Aldia, friend.
>>335910556
The Distant Manor, which leads to the Irithyll Dungeons and then the Profaned Capital, where you fight Yhorm the Giant.
>>335910748
thanks m8
>>335910556
>>335910748
Anor Londo is such sidetrack it's so easy to forget there was another path leading from Distant Manor bonfire.
>>335909724
Nice arguments you've got there.
I've only seen you spew buzzwords and insults. Maybe elaborate on why Dark souls 2 is so shit?
There is literally no atmosphere in DS3. Even fucking 2 had it better.
>>335910670
Not him, but A lot of things unsettled me with 2 going from 1, Burnt king was one of the few bosses thst gave that atmospheric rush during a boss fight, where you felt you were fighting something way stronger than yourself. Ds2 had a lot of good points in weapons and build variety, but it had really poor atmosphere, the only 3 areas that were amazing were BiK, drangleic castle with the mirror knight, and alonne. If 2 hadnt had its lighting engine scrapped, i think it would have been a much more memorable game.
>>335911405
Yeah I can agree with that
I mean 3 is good, but it just feels like you're going along for no real reason
Some of the fights are cool though, like Abyss Watchers. Good atmosphere there.
Why does every fucking enemy in DS3 have some sort of meme attack that can OHKO you?
>>335911685
A team in charge of balance.
>>335904759
I really don't get what they tried to do with the final boss.
>has like 5 movesets
>weird delays to everything
>even a body feint on the longsword slam
>even has mixups, different finishes for the same combos
>none of this matter because he has like 500 total health
>>335911685
Miyazaki was heavily influenced after creating BBC, it is much faster paced and has much more emphasis on rolls and speed over tanking. I will admit I miss running through with a giant dad esque poise build
>>335904759
>>Cutest firekeeper of the trilogy that make you want to DO IT FOR HER, especially after finding the Firekeeper's eyes
fuck off. she wasnt cute and didnt say shit. Cutest and best is and will most likely always be from Demons Soul
What atmosphere? Every area was either a castle, underground, a forest or a swamp and either looked grey or brown or muddy in general.
>>335911896
>BBC
>Tfw I actually have it autocorrect ed because of the news organization.
Why do memes have to corrupt everything
So uh...why does Anri kill herself again?
This questline makes zero sense
Is anyone else having problems connecting to the server? I booted the game up just fine about two hours ago but now the doesn't even try to connect to the server, just tells me it failed.
>>335912028
Uh huh
Nice freudian sissy cuck
ds1 had the hardest enviroments, spooky ghosts, invisible trails, mandatory walks through lava, pure darkness,
>>335912053
Because ugly bitches are naturally suicidal, even that munted dogshit Horace couldn't stand her fucked jerky face.
>>335912053
Realizes they aren't strong enough to do jack shit without your help, keep in mind the conclusion without lord of hollows is helping her with Aldrich.
>>335911829
I think he was poorly set up in the first place. In DS1 you knew you were going to collect the Lord Souls, then face Gwyn. Someone you knew, someone who was integral to the story and someone you knew was going to be a mean fucking guy.
In DS3 you collect the cinders, then face what felt a completely random guy whom you never heard about before. He doesn't even have a name, he's just the guy that came before you. Maybe that was supposed to be the point, I don't know.
>>335910434
>DaS1 and 3 have much more memorable bosses
yeah like uhh knight that spins in circles with a flaming sword and uhhh pope knight that uhh HAS TWO SWORDS OF DIFFERENT COLOURS and uhhh oh yeah the knight that teleports with his big flaming sword or uhh OH THE KNIGHT THAT uhhh PUTS LIGHTNING ON HIS SWORD THAT IS ALSO KINDA A SPEAR BUT STILL A SWORD!
DS3 is garbo get over it
>>335912053
because you and she/he killed her/his father.
>>335912271
you clearly are retarded and have terrible taste
>>335904759
It surpassed 2 in atmosphere but falls behind the rest of the games in that regard.
So can you memers explain what happened to all the buildings in Anor Londo behind this lever entrance to the main building?
>>335912271
>le reductio ad absurdum
nah, go kill yourself
>>335912394
>my guy with a sword and two horizontal slashes before a vertical slash is totally better than your guy with a sword and two horizontal slashes before a vertical slash!
lol you're retarded if you think DS3 has interesting bosses, they're all generic melee or hit the weak spot - there isn't a single interesting fight in the game
>>335904759
sequel or rehash ? I still don't understand
>>335912518
I personally liked pretty much all of them except for Yhorm, but I guess that's just an opinion you don't really want.
>>335912271
I can't tell if you are defending 2's overall bosses or not, aside from like 3, it had some of the least fun bosses in the series. I mean fuck dude, at least soul of cinders has the style change and phase going on, nashandra was a wet fuckin noodle and just as out of place as 3's was. She didn't even make sense until the dlc and even then it felt ham fisted. Also, there are a fuck load of knight bosses in 2. I was more upset with the Lord soul fights more than anything, they didn't even feel like lords, just overgrown standard enemies.
>>335912562
Seqash
>>335912562
It's piratable, try part of it out before forming your opinion, I have seen a genuinely scary amount of people who call a game shit without even bothering to try it, like to me that's what pirating is good for.
>>335912423
Nothing makes sense if you start thinking logically, not even the present story. You're trying too hard, shut off your brain and don't ask.
There were things, then things happened, then afterwards, some things happened, then the thing to solve the thing that happened, happened 4 or 5 times more and here we are.
>>335912562
It was the end of a trilogy and an attempt to conclude the story so they could work on other it's, if it didn't have anything from the previous game I wouldn't have seen the point in having it be the 3rd game at all.
>>335912271
I know right, nothing compared to floaty knight, 2 knights, 3 knights, smoke knight, fire knight, other blue fire knight, shield knight, hammer knight, clusterfuck of knights and the prisoner and samurai who fight the same as the knights.
The thing is all the above felt like effectively the same fight. Das3 did rely a lot on dudes with armor, but it made them all distinct, like the champ relying on shield bashes and kicks, the brothers teleporting and reviving, dancers weird fucking rhythmic movements, abyss watcher's dashing and 360 attacks etc.
All of das2 was slash, slash, AOE, maybe overhead slam or stab if you're feeling frisky.
Anyone using Farron flashsword in PvP? Since I heard magic was finally nerfed and so were offhand weapons, I desperately tried to make flashsword happen. But even with 60 int, dragon ring, that magic damage ring and fully upgraded izalith staff that thing hits for half the amount of straightsword. Also when they are too close, I sometimes hit only with staff for 2 damage.
Also am I crazy or tears of denial is better than any vigor after 27?
>>335912881
Don't forget angry knight, sad white Knight, traitor knight, burning knight, ice Knights, and poison knights
Should I consider Dark souls 2 non canon?
It just doesnt seem to tie in well with 1 and 3.
Im not saying its a bad game, I enjoyed my multiple playthroughs and I dont get the hate around it.
Another question. Whats the best way to practice parrying in 3? Also how should I time them, sometimes I, time it to the point of when its about to time me and it will be succesful and other times Hitting it as the attack goes off works, its confusing as fuck.
>>335912926
Most people have thorns gloves on just to roll into cunts with tears of denial, so it's not as good as it used to be on release.
>>335912926
Magic imo was only good in pvp for 2, and even then it was highly gimmicky and tricky to pull off, magic in 3 is good for pve, but useless for pvp, you feel like a God if you kill someone with only magic though. 27 is softcap for vigor
>>335913068
DaS3 has a few callbacks to it. Drang armor and stuff.
>>335912926
>tears of denial
>Get myself 15 Faith
>Bring two or three Ashen Estus flasks and a chime
>Boss kills me? Recast and sip on Ashen Estus to get mana back
>Rinse, repeat
>If boss kills me two or three times and I've ran out of Estus completely, swap out Estus ring for Red Tearstone
This is how I stay alive helping others fight Nameless King :^)
It works best when you have a buddy who can take aggro while you're recasting and shit.
>>335904968
moderation is key, anon
>>335904759
Atmosphere? Do you know what atmosphere means? Apparently not.
>>335904759
>>335904759
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WHAT THE FUCK IS THIS SHIT
Seriously, what do you mean when you say atmosphere? I've played all of the souls games and they're all the same to me. Am I just retarded and my brain can't pick up the difference? Seriously, can someone kindly explain to me what this shit means?
>>335912876
I felt like rehash too much on areas. I don't sense it as new area. It was " The fuck? Why this area resemble to certain area on DS1 ? " Every time
>>335913201
Magic was gay in DaS2 and still is in DaS3. Thank god its garbage. But flashsword shouldnt even be magic, why does it have to be so shit. It actually has full moveset when cast as offhand as opposed to offhand weapons which perform basic R1 no matter what you do.
>>335912423
Due to Lothric's nature, only part of Anor Londo was taken back to reality.
>>335912881
>ignoring smelter demon was the first time we saw a boss change element type and DS3 used it multiple times
>pretending LGK summoning players wasn't awesome
>ignoring ruin sentinels shield throwing and whirlwinds
>ignoring half the bosses in DS3 are just combinations of DS2 bosses
your /v/ boner is showing, be a person with your own thoughts and opinions for a change
>>335909446
poise isnt the problem. the problem is longswords out damage ugs 3:1 with a full stamina bar. why do 800 damage with 2 swings when i can do 1.5k with 6?
ultra weapons need a serious buff if they want to remain viable.
>>335912423
illusion
>>335905119
Dark Souls was already a rehash so I don't why are you so upset about it now.
>>335913219
Alluring can help for some bosses solo
>>335908032
>Miyazaki
>b-team
Based retard
>>335912053
because their quest was done and they don't have anything to live for anymore without Horace
>>335912324
Aldrich isn't their dad, he just ate children.
FORGE I CAN'T
DEAD I AM
>>335913535
Thats not how you use big weapon. And longswords arent meta. Meta is big fucking weapon with parry fishing. You get 6 opportunities to parry. If you get any of those, you won. This is how you meta now.
>>335913710
I wish DaS3 was a B-team instead of Miyazaki. Literally cant make more retarded choices than this cunt.
>power stance
>offhand
>respec
>hyperarmor
>>335908032
Youre thinking of dark souls 2 bud.
>>335908484
Just go back then.
Tele to dancers bonfire , go up the ladder and go left
>>335904759
>Cutest firekeeper
No DS 2 Has this covered
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4qCH-gdjp8g
>PVP
>>335913370
On the off chance you aren't baiting and genuinely want a conversation, atmosphere is mostly a thing of world design, does the music flesh with the fight? What emotions does the fight intend to impose? Does the area match up with the designs? But most importantly for me, does the intended emotion an area intends you to have convey itself properly and have a lasting impact.
>>335913895
If you like used goods whores, sure.
>>335913515
>recolor that doesn't change the fight in any significant way is worthy of note
>gimmick that was done better in demon's souls and didn't really work
>the most basic ranged attack possible making the boss any way memorable
>elaboration needed
>>335913813
im talking pve, ugs are usable in pvp due to hyper armor trades and deadangles/high crits. in pve they're objectively trash compared to longswords. there are very few enemies that cant be staggered with one longsword swing.
>>335913418
Which areas felt the most like that to you? Anor londo felt like a short but nice callback and was the throne for a boss who devoured the gods, so it made sense for him to be there. And demon ruins were hidden enough to not be in your face, but had nice but sad conclusions for the world and it's inhabitants of 1, I felt like it showed how the new world's inhabitants were forcing the old to fight to live.
>>335913370
Its hard to explain.
But its something real that adds to the game.
Think of stalker , the game with the best ambience/atmosphere out there.
Its like a combination of the music, setting , the style of the visuals and overall presentation of the game.
At least i thats what i think it is , probably some other anons have other explanations for this.
>>335914108
>doing fire damage instead of physical
>shredding through people's shields until they cry so much on forums and discover there's a shield with 100% fire resist to help them cheese it
>not of note
you clearly didn't play the game at launch if you don't remember all the crying over smelter demon going fire mode
and the ruin sentinels argument was a counter to your "well this guy can kick you" argument to claim he's not just a generic knight
anyways, DS2 will be remembered as the best and you're clearly still in fanboy mode over DS3 which is pure garbo, so let's move on with our lives and talk about it again in 3 months when you're more mature
>>335914407
>everyone calls DS2 shit and the worst one
>remebered as the best??
>>335913370
Did you play demon souls? If so Valley of defilement is a proper example, area fits with design and lore, zone properly lends a sombr4 theme and tries to make the player question their hunt of demon souls, and the boss fits the zone. What I feel a lot of people miss is that these are RPG'S, gameplay is important, but the world should be equally so, otherwise what's the point of being invested in the world?
>>335914286
> relaxing abit before explore more
> stalker playing guitar
got me right there
>DS2
>even arguing it was a good game
PS1 Textures, infinite gem healing, shit-tier hitboxes, even worse phantom netcode,animations feel like something from 3 Generations ago.
It took multiple expansions and constant patches for them to get the pvp into a playable state.
>>335914483
>I don't know what a vocal minority is
SotFS is generally regarded as the pinnacle of the series, you're just stuck with your confirmation bias skewing your view
>>335914657
by who? I know nobody online or in real life that thinks that. It's mostly just the "it's a good game but pretty meh for a souls one"
>>335914657
I think DS2 is much better than people usually give it credit, but you're delusional if you think that. SotFS is good but it won't change anyone's mind because it didn't fix any of the core problems brought up by Dark Souls 2.
>>335914779
That was my opinion, I liked it better than games that came out that year, but I felt like 1 was better, at least I got BB
>>>335905524
>>Owning a Console
Lol OK. You realize you carry the same mentality of someone who buys a Mac book just to use Facebook.
You pretend to be high and mighty for your purchase, but in the end you're just trying to make you self feel better for "using something" or "having something" to accomplish what everyone is already doing
When I got to Untended Graves I already haven't slept for 3 days straight and I was trippin'. This area mindfucked and scared me real hard.
>>335914407
I thought we were talking about blue smelter demon. Going on fire made even less of a difference because the only proper way to fight him was to dodge his predictable as fuck swings anyway, so there was only the hp drain.
Gundyr didn't just kick you, he mixed up his moveset. He'd round off a spin with shoulder bash sometimes, he'd throw in a kick after a launch, he'd charge into a combo, he'd fling rocks with an overhead and he could do all of that and any of his basic moves in any combination. He wasn't all the same fucking moveset you've seen a thousand times but maybe one of them throws something at you in the middle of it.
>>335914068
This argument is purely based on physical appearence, not the history of the person.
>>335915038
Wut, not that guy, but I have a console as well as a pc, simply because there were games I wanted to play on it that my pc didn't have, you do realize this is the videogames board correct?
>>335915357
Her accent threw me off, maiden and doll are best
>>335912252
>final boss is the manifestation of all lords of cinder who came before you to link the flame
>some random guy
>literally just killed off everyone
It made me sad, but it also made me pissed. Fromsoft truly just burning all the bridges with souls.
>>335912423
many cycles have passed and only the cathedral of anor londo was maintained by all the generations after the death of gwyn.
or maybe time and space are distorted again.
there is the banner item that says that the high wall of lothric just appeared, maybe all these places from different times and locations got warped here.
i only know for sure that mayazaki is a GENIOUS
How do I get summoned as a Dorkmoon
>>335904759
>DS3 had the best atmosphere out of the 3 games?
DaS have more oomf to it, and so does DeS.
>>335910434
>literally same build variety as 1 and 3
the differencee being that in 2, almost anything can be viable, while in 1 and 3, only certain specific builds are viable
>>335913813
DaS 2 had much more retarded decisions than 3.
>>335913813
Holy fuck what is up with you retards?
Compare the goddamn credits DaS3 was literally all of b-team including the director. Yes Miyazaki co-directed it, do you really think he had the time to go back and change every fucking thing?
I can't believe people are so retarded that they actually think Miyazaki ran Bloodborne and then magically produced DaS3 in 3 months after TOH was released.
>>335904913
>Defining area of first game is revisited in last game but ravaged by time
>badguy of first game who made said place his base has his corpse literally grafted unto villain of this game as he uses the ruins as his base and his goons desecrate said ruins
I generally liked DAS3's zones, but this was one of the best.
>>335913710
compare the credits you fucking idiot, it's a TEAM not one fucking person. A-team and Miyazaki made Bloodborne, that's why it's so fucking good. B-team, the B-team director and Miyazaki made DaS3 that's why it's pretty good.
Get a brain you fucking idiot
>>335914602
sounds like you're describing Demon's Souls and everyone pretends to have played that one and consider it the best
>>335904759
Untended Graves was pretty awesome.
>finding messages I left at Firelink on the ground
>that Handmaiden being vague as fuck
>that CHAMP boss fight
>Black Knights strolling around in the darkness
>looting Chaos Blade and Hornet Ring
>that dramatic as fuck music change when you give the Firekeeper her eyes
I loved it.
>>335917572
DaS2 is the polar opposite of DeS, it's amazing how even those ancient textures looked better than 2's bullshit.
>>335917535
>A-team and Miyazaki made Bloodborne, that's why it's so fucking good
People only pretend it's good because they want to justify their PS4 purchase. It's just average.
>>335918136
Post your ps4 and copy of bloodborne then. with a timestamp , so i know you are not a falseflagging faggot.
>>335918136
What makes it just average?
>>335904759
>Can we all agree DS3 had the best atmosphere out of the 3 games?
No. DS3 doesn't have any areas that makes you feel as small, alone, insignificant, and helpless as Ash Lake, the Darkroot Basin or the Abyss.
>>335918428
because you sure were small and insignificant slaying huge ass monsters and gods lel
>>335918680
>Gods
What?
since when did you slayed gods on Dark souls 1.
the only thing that comes remotely close is Gwynevere , she isn´t even a boss , or maybe Seath which is immortal because of that crystal.
>>335918680 (you)
>>335918915
Gwyn, Gwyndolin, and Nito
>>335918915
>he didn't fight Gwyndolin
>>335917535
>A-team and Miyazaki made Bloodborne,
Your A team doesn't exist. "A team" is a mix and mash with Sony. Bloodborne was made equally by From and Japan Studio.
>>335919015
Gwyn is not a god , he is a Lord of Cinder.
Gwyndolin is an eldritch abominatonYes, an abomination.
I can give you nito being a god tho, but he seems more like a wraith or cursed being.
Aren´t gods usually immortals and have but one weakness?
I never really thought any of the bosses from Dark souls as a god , but either glorified individuals with great feats of strength or monsters.
Seath is the only one that really comes close , with all the knowledge and the his research to reach immortality.
>>335918234
not him but mostly: length, lack of variety in outfits and weapons, chalice dungeons being horrible yet being a huge chunk of the meat of the game, and everything post rom just becomes tedious and unfun for the most part, including Rom himself.
the DLC was great though, and definitely added some much needed expansion to the arsenal and wardrobe.
DaS3 honestly just felt pretty stale for me.
The combat/gameplay is as good as it ever was and thats all the really matters but most everything else about the game just felt like going through the motions
>>335909147
He is another Andre the blacksmith.
>>335919475
Gods are a race in DaS. Gwyn, Gwyndolin and Nito are Gods.
>>335909147
Andre was never significant outside of your headcanon.
Same with Solaire being Gwyn's son.
>>335919910
Just checked the wiki and it seems you´re right.
Well thats dissapoiting.
>>335909147
he is an illusion. try killing him and see how many souls he drops.
>>335917256
Such as?
>>335914148
Then you are absolutely correct. You are fucked in PvE if you use slow weapon.
>>335909845
Here's your You?
>>335911960
>trilogy
>demons souls
There are plenty of other boards that don't require a base level of reading comprehension. Perhaps you should post on them.
>>335916637
DS1
>Wandering through an abandoned, dead kingdom while battle past legends long forgotten and literal ancient evils. Sometimes not seeing another undead for quit a long time.
DS2
>Chatty witches make fun of you as you go to some totally not a tutorial level and eventually end up in some bright and happy coast town, no sense of cohesion or scale in the zones at all. Constantly meeting characters.
>>335921406
>happy
majula is supposed to have a melancholy nostalgic homesick feel to it. as crestfallen says, "its a place where life is almost normal"
>>335920321
He's not an illusion. He drops no souls because the shrine NPCs have their souls bound to the shrine, the handmaiden even says so if you kill her. If you kill shrine npcs they just return and jack up their prices.
>>335921406
>bright and happy coast-town
what?
Literally nothing in the Dark Souls games comes close to Tower of Latria. The Irithyll Dungeons were some kind of fucking parody of them.
>>335921406
>don't pay attention to the game
>call it shit
typical /v/ cocksucker lol, get your own opinion instead of spouting memes
>>335919808
Yeah. Wasnt worth a 2nd playthrough. I did get 70 hours out of it messing around so i'd say I got my moneys worth
>>335923107
AAAAEEEEEEUUUUUUUGGGGGHHHHHHH. Help me.
>>335919808
that's because the bosses were more generic than DS2, and the story and lore is pointless when every environment is just a rehash of DS1 in the exact same order
>start in castle
>go through forest
>end up in swamp
>go through catacombs
>end up in anor londo
did I just describe DS1 or DS3? spoilers:both
>>335923261
DS2 is trash compared to 1, im hating every second of it.
>>335912252
His first health bar is chosen undead. His second bar is gwyn
>>335923946
>I forget what DS1 is like after Anor Londo
you're retarded, DS1 is pure garbo compared to DS2
>>335912252
It's the Chosen Undead from the first game. You did play the first game, right anon?
>>335904759
Going back to Anor Londo was so cool. I know I'm a pleb and all but it was awesome
>>335908484
>Soul of Cinder fight
>get him to his second phase
>piano notes from Gwyn's theme get added to the music
I almost shed a tear, loved that shit.Also I feel that he should have had a pre fight dialogue, where if you chose to link the flame you wouldn't have to fight him, but if you choose to leave the world in darkness you'd have to fight him.
>>335918056
wtf are you on about please go play the two games again, DeS has worse textures than DaS2 period, this is not an argument.
>>335920345
ADP, agility, soul memory, piss poor world and level design, retarded enemy tracking, floaty animations
>>335905343
agree 100%
the locations in DaS3 felt like the fake sets from some Tim Burton movie rather than actual real dilapidated places
of course there were some exceptions
>>335919808
I feel there's literally no story behind DaS3 except for some references and blatant DaS pandering here and there. At least DaS2 even when the lore is kind of scarce, it does it's own thing with the kings instead of being a chinese copy of DaS.
>>335924149
>I forget what DS1 is like after Anor Londo
A good game except for Lost Izalith?
Way to parrot everything you read on /v/ kiddo
So i just beat ds3 last night and ive come the conclusion that bloodborne was just a superier first playthrough over all.
Ds3 for me ended just as it was getting good. I also found it to have more areas that i hated and was just trying to get last rather than areas i liked and wanted to stay and explore.
The poison swamp levels, the demon ruins, the ds2 "homage" levels, very little of it felt fresh and enjoyable. I also thought the soul of cinder was very dissapointing as a boss fight.
Its also the easiest souls game ive played. Im not the best at these games but i finished last night at level 75 which for me is low and even then i felt overleveled. Compared to bb finishing at 135 or dark souls finishing at 150 and even then feeling like i barely got by.
Idk i just feel like the game didnt have enough fresh material and there was just too much "refferences" in it. I was really diassapointed to find out i was at the end bacuse like i said it was starting to get intersting. It starts off strong, dips real bad after ihtryl then picks up at the vary last few levels. Im sure the dlc will be great though.
Das> bb> ds > ds3 > ds2
>>335913370
It's a term feelfags abuse to describe how a game made them feel their special emotions, that only real art can conjure inside of them.
In actuality, atmosphere is the cohesiveness of the environment. Creating the effect that you are surrounded by more than mere game elements and props. But rather, you are in a live world.
>>335925225
>Way to parrot everything you read on /v/ kiddo
>while defending DS2
top zoz nice reading comprehension you fucking illiterate, no wonder you like DS1 since it has no story or thematic lore to confuse your tiny brain
>>335907327
>bb
>3 hours
Stopped reading immediatly
>>335904759
>DS3
>best anything
OH SHIT MY FUCCCCCKING SIIIIIIIDDDDEEEESSS
>>335924913
>>335905343
Disagree 100℅
The level design is big and sprawling, full of shortcuts and secrets. Everything you see in the distance you can usually visit. You can see Irithtyll from High Wall for fuck's sake. The interconnectivity of DaS 1 just wouldn't work because the levels are bigger and more spread out.
>>335925038
Maybe you should actually make some effort and read the item descriptions and dialogue. 2 is the chinese copy that lacked detail, not 3.
Why is the Old Demon King Great hammer worse than the dragonslayer great axe? You'd think the boss of an area hidden under a bridge you have to break then climb down to find would be great.
Are any of the Great Hammers any good?
>>335904759
Everything is too grim and dark. No breath of fresh air makes the ambience dull
>>335926134
Oh but I have, it has more stuff coming from both previous things than new things. It's just blatant pandering. I cant wait to see Lothacile and Eleum Lothric DLC!
I give you that level design is superb this time but they fucked up by making it more linear than DaS2.
>>335925881
Except when people here say DaS 2 is of less quality here they usually have arguments to back it up. When retards like you say DaS 1 is shit they usually just say its shit, exactly like you. Way to bury yourself with your own posts dumbfuck.
Am I supposed to fight the great cursed tree as my third boss or can I go ahead and go somewhere else in the meantime?
>>335926468
What's there to say? DS2 is better than DS1 in every way.
>better bosses
>better weapons + more of them
>better movesets
>powerstancing
>balanced pvp
>better environments
>better lore
>better story
DS1 has maybe better level design but that starts falling apart after Undead Burg and is completely gone by Anor Londo
>>335926751
>better bosses
Stopped reading there.
>undead knight
>undead knight
>undead knight
>conjoined undead knights
>undead knight
>undead knight
>>335926445
>4 optional locations
>6 optional bosses
>Dancer sequence break
>first Deacons or AB, first Aldrich or Yhorm
Not linear by any stretch.
>panderinng
A SEQUEL having same elements isn't pandering. Ludwig pulling the MLS out his ass is what's blatant pandering and I never see anyone mentioning that.
>>335926751
>better
>better
>better
>without any justification
Way to prove yourself as a retard ter again.
>>335926865
>demon knight with big weapon
>monkey knight with big weapon
>flying knight with big weapon
>skull knight with two big weapons
>spider knight with one big weapon
>iron knight with one big weapon
>literally two knights
DS1 is even more generic lol
>>335904852
Even though the creator apologized to users before release that it will feel unfinished.
>>335905343
Andre in 3
>Hello I'm the blacksmith
>I can smith you weapons
>because I'm the smith
>I can repair them too
>cause I'm the smith
leave
>I'm the smith, remember
what a non-character
>>335929929
He has unique responses when you give him coal, specially the giant's coal. Try playing the game maybe.
>>335929929
He's the same way in 1 as well.
>>335930212
Every time you give him one he says "[insert comment] I'll use this to smith you more weapons, because I'm the smith" followed by yet another reminder every time you leave. Oh, this coal is terribly cursed, you monster, let me smith you some weapons with it. Oh, just found out my buddy died, let me smith you some weapons.
>>335930448
At least they nailed the farewells there. And do NPCs no longer have unique dialogue if you just walk away?
>>335930614
He has more dialogue than in 1.
